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Title: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: GypsySoul on December 21, 2005, 07:13:09 PM
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Billboard mag >> Dec 24, 2005 Issue
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Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: Mateoson on December 21, 2005, 07:21:43 PM
Great, another potential excuse for C.D. delay.  :'(


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: NickNasty on December 21, 2005, 07:33:49 PM
How would this delay CD? Axl (if my understanding is at all correct) relinquished the publishing rights to Sanctuary for $19 Mil-he has that money---whoever gets  publishing money now isnt really his concern.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: Mateoson on December 21, 2005, 08:40:20 PM
I'm not saying this will delay CD at all. We've heard a lot of excuses which seem to be irrelevant to the release, but they are given as reason for the delay. I'm just saying this could be yet another one.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: Falcon on December 21, 2005, 08:44:00 PM
Isn't/wasn't Merck CEO of Sancturay since/around early '04?

If so, is it safe to say Merck effectively led Sanctuary straight down the toilet?


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: AxlsMainMan on December 21, 2005, 08:47:24 PM
Isn't/wasn't Merck CEO of Sancturay since/around early '04?

If so, is it safe to say Merck effectively led Sanctuary straight down the toilet?

The key to any buisness being a success, or a failure is it's management so yes it is safe to assume Merk led Sanctuary straight down the poop shoot.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: NickNasty on December 22, 2005, 09:12:15 AM
http://www.sanctuarygroup.com/index.php?l1=2&l2=2&l3=0&rt=CY

 If you look at how the Sanctuary Board of Directors is set up, yeah he's the CEO-but it seems to me that there is some power-sharing deal-so to blame every bad business decision that compnay has made on him might be unfair----my understanding is that the music label has lost them more money than their management services-it's not clear to me how much authority Merck would have over that.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: Nytunz on December 22, 2005, 09:48:01 AM
why do they always say Axl Rose, and not Guns N Roses...  >:(


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: jmapelian on December 22, 2005, 09:51:05 AM
I would think since Sanctuary dropped $20million on Axl and got $0 as a ROI and he's the band's manager and was unable to get the album rleased, I'd say he was a mighty contributor to them being sold


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: ppbebe on December 22, 2005, 09:57:37 AM
Isn't/wasn't Merck CEO of Sancturay since/around early '04?

If so, is it safe to say Merck effectively led Sanctuary straight down the toilet?

Hum no. I remember a thread about it. (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=7c4fdd3b37b1c14de421e0b5ee992c43&topic=17503.msg300801#msg300801)
He became a CEO in dec 04.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: Falcon on December 22, 2005, 10:22:29 AM
Isn't/wasn't Merck CEO of Sancturay since/around early '04?

If so, is it safe to say Merck effectively led Sanctuary straight down the toilet?

Hum no. I remember a thread about it. (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=7c4fdd3b37b1c14de421e0b5ee992c43&topic=17503.msg300801#msg300801)
He became a CEO in dec 04.

From the press release on Mercks promotion:

"CEO Mercuriadis will direct and manage the creative strategy of the Group across its businesses on a global basis."

With the above in mind, it looks as though Merck was definately the guy in charge, it'll be interesting to see if he takes the fall/blame.

Thanks to ppebe for the link.





Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: ppbebe on December 22, 2005, 10:38:06 AM
Don't mention it Falcon 8)

why do they always say Axl Rose, and not Guns N Roses...  >:(

In this case, I guess it's mainly because they're referring to the publishing deal and when it comes to the deal, they better avoid mentioning the band name. You know the partnership issues....touchy, touchy.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: NickNasty on December 22, 2005, 12:29:30 PM
Quote
From the press release on Mercks promotion:

"CEO Mercuriadis will direct and manage the creative strategy of the Group across its businesses on a global basis."

With the above in mind, it looks as though Merck was definately the guy in charge, it'll be interesting to see if he takes the fall/blame.

Thanks to ppebe for the link.

Okay, so he IS the man in charge thanks to both Falcon a ppbbe for clearing that up : ok:
It will be interesting to see what happens to Merck if the entire compnay is bought out/goes under---Axl Rose aside, he has a pretty succesful record in managing bands. If the comapny is bought out, i imagine he'll be kicked out of the front office but kept on in that capacity.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: Scabbie on December 22, 2005, 12:40:15 PM
Quote
From the press release on Mercks promotion:

"CEO Mercuriadis will direct and manage the creative strategy of the Group across its businesses on a global basis."

With the above in mind, it looks as though Merck was definately the guy in charge, it'll be interesting to see if he takes the fall/blame.

Thanks to ppebe for the link.

Okay, so he IS the man in charge thanks to both Falcon a ppbbe for clearing that up : ok:
It will be interesting to see what happens to Merck if the entire compnay is bought out/goes under---Axl Rose aside, he has a pretty succesful record in managing bands. If the comapny is bought out, i imagine he'll be kicked out of the front office but kept on in that capacity.

It'll be more interesting to see what happens to Axl Rose if the company goes under although I read somewhere that the sale of the publishing business won't affect Axl.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: NickNasty on December 22, 2005, 01:25:08 PM
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It'll be more interesting to see what happens to Axl Rose if the company goes under although I read somewhere that the sale of the publishing business won't affect Axl.

 If Axl was already paid the money for the publishing rights in full and cashed the check, it shouldnt affect him.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: Voodoochild on December 22, 2005, 01:38:33 PM
Thanks for the article, Gypsy. As usual, I'm gonna post the translation to portuguese in my brazilian board with credits for you, ok?


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on December 22, 2005, 01:42:37 PM
" works from Axl Rose " ..... wierd. since when Axl is a solo artist ..... ?!


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: nesquick on December 22, 2005, 01:45:14 PM
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If so, is it safe to say Merck effectively led Sanctuary straight down the toilet?
He is doing the same with GN'R...bring back Doug Goldstein and Tom Zutaut.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: Scabbie on December 22, 2005, 01:48:34 PM
Maybe Sanctuary feel its worth not releasing Chinese Democracy, so their publishing company is more attractive to prospective buyers? I'm not sure what else is in their catalogue but Axl must be one of the A-list if you get what I mean


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: ppbebe on December 22, 2005, 01:59:05 PM
I'd imagine the things had started far before Merck was charged with the task.

" works from Axl Rose " ..... wierd. since when Axl is a solo artist ..... ?!
Nope he isn't. read my previous post.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: chineseblues on December 22, 2005, 02:16:26 PM
Isn't/wasn't Merck CEO of Sancturay since/around early '04?

Yes you are correct.

If so, is it safe to say Merck effectively led Sanctuary straight down the toilet?

No, not really. The reason Sanctuary started losing money in the first place, was because the Sanctuary Urban division (led by Matthew Knowls (sp)) was spending money left and right with no return. They effictively led Sanctuary right down the crapper. Which is why (IMHO) they should have never started a urban wing in the first place. They should have stuck to what they know, which is rock.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: ppbebe on December 22, 2005, 02:34:24 PM
Isn't/wasn't Merck CEO of Sancturay since/around early '04?

Yes you are correct.

Nope. you're incorrect.

SANCTUARY REORGANIZES, MERCK MERCURIADIS NAMED GROUP CEO   
 
Sanctuary Announces Executive Staff Promotions Worldwide

December 17, 2004


Again, Why the hell some people never bother reading the thread or even the several posts before them ? :no:

No, not really. The reason Sanctuary started losing money in the first place, was because the Sanctuary Urban division (led by Matthew Knowls (sp)) was spending money left and right with no return. They effictively led Sanctuary right down the crapper.
Yep.
So, By contraries, maybe that's why Merck the smart was charged to direct and manage the creative strategy of the Group across its businesses on a global basis.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: Falcon on December 22, 2005, 04:09:48 PM

No, not really. The reason Sanctuary started losing money in the first place, was because the Sanctuary Urban division (led by Matthew Knowls (sp)) was spending money left and right with no return. They effictively led Sanctuary right down the crapper. Which is why (IMHO) they should have never started a urban wing in the first place. They should have stuck to what they know, which is rock.

Interesting, I believe Merck is actually Mathew's boss, correct?

 


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: shaun on December 22, 2005, 04:16:04 PM
oh fuck, i really didn't need to see that  :confused:

*see what you're asking yourself*


well i typed "elton john" + "married" + "guess list" into Google.com   and...
...about the 3rd link selected took me to a site showing a naked body builder taking a shower (it was gay site)...
Nooooo!!! :crying:


-

gotten over it. Feel all better now  : ok:



Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: jimmythegent on December 22, 2005, 05:14:35 PM

No, not really. The reason Sanctuary started losing money in the first place, was because the Sanctuary Urban division (led by Matthew Knowls (sp)) was spending money left and right with no return. They effictively led Sanctuary right down the crapper. Which is why (IMHO) they should have never started a urban wing in the first place. They should have stuck to what they know, which is rock.

Interesting, I believe Merck is actually Mathew's boss, correct?

?

Yip, the buck stops with Merck therefor Merck is ultimately accountable


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: Chief on December 22, 2005, 06:17:02 PM
in such a huge company though, i dont think 20 million is THAT big of a deal... im sure other stuff has affected them a Lot more!!


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: NickNasty on December 22, 2005, 06:27:02 PM
in such a huge company though, i dont think 20 million is THAT big of a deal... im sure other stuff has affected them a Lot more!!

I dont think anyones arguing that the publishing deal with Mr. Rose is responsible for the company's ill fortunes---if anything, getting that back catalogue of material might help keep them afloat if they decide to utilize it.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: Scabbie on December 22, 2005, 06:35:03 PM
in such a huge company though, i dont think 20 million is THAT big of a deal... im sure other stuff has affected them a Lot more!!

Its a big deal alright! They aren't that big Sanctuary.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: chineseblues on December 22, 2005, 08:40:48 PM

No, not really. The reason Sanctuary started losing money in the first place, was because the Sanctuary Urban division (led by Matthew Knowls (sp)) was spending money left and right with no return. They effictively led Sanctuary right down the crapper. Which is why (IMHO) they should have never started a urban wing in the first place. They should have stuck to what they know, which is rock.

Interesting, I believe Merck is actually Mathew's boss, correct?

 

Merck runs the company yes, but I believe Matthew was given free range as to what he did with the urban wing.


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: Falcon on December 22, 2005, 08:48:38 PM

Merck runs the company yes, but I believe Matthew was given free range as to what he did with the urban wing.

Who's call was it to give Matthew total autonomy?



Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: chineseblues on December 22, 2005, 09:45:23 PM

Merck runs the company yes, but I believe Matthew was given free range as to what he did with the urban wing.

Who's call was it to give Matthew total autonomy?



The board of directors  :P


Title: Re: Sanctuary Publishing to be sold (including Axl's songs)? - article
Post by: Falcon on December 22, 2005, 10:17:52 PM

Who's call was it to give Matthew total autonomy?


The board of directors? :P

Anyway...

It seems as though they're breaking this thing off and selling it piece by piece faster than you can say Gordon Gecko and Merck is the guy at the top of the crumbling empire.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....