Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1509

How credible is this spanish site?

Looks like a really good rumour, huh?

Wouldn't that be something? 

I've taken the liberty of translating the article for non-Spanish speaking folks.


To talk about Guns N Roses is like talking about a rumour which is currently circulating, with it staying like that 99% of the times: a rumour. The last rumour regarding the band led by the notorious Axl Rose talked about a Christmas time release of a double album of old songs called "Welcome to the Jungle - The Very Best of Guns N' Roses", but yet again its stayed as that?.yet another rumour. What doesn?t seem as yet another rumour is a more than probable tour from the band with Axl as the only survivor.

A couple of days ago our website was contacted by a very important promoter informing us of this very real possibility of a tour. We were asked what type of venues we thought they could fill here to try and get an idea of what state GnR were after such a long time away and silence from the band. It is said that this tour could take place at the start of next summer, even though it is only a possibility at the moment it seems to be it is very close to reality. We shall see if it stays as yet another rumour. Regarding the much talked about album "Chinese Democracy" of which there?s been talk the past couple of years, there is absolutely no news.

Edit.- I have just translated the document, but Chas beat me....

Summer tour sounds good.

It will be interesting to see if we start to hear rumblings from other European promoters----how much longer till RIR announces its lineup?

I think it's 100 % bullshit.. But I might be wrong.

I think its crap personally, but hey I suppose its going to happen one year, so why not 2006?

Rumors are all we have right now  :'(

Hope one of them pans out, could happen.....

Does the RIR have to announce that gnr is in the lineup or can they just show up with out anyone knowing

Yep. IMO likely as not we'll see The album in 06. like many said, I donno about this one but who knows.

Hmmm...maybe from now on we better keep our eyes peeled for non english sites.
we have plenty of great translaters.

I wonder how credible it is that someone from management asks whether or not gnr should play arenas or clubs, and in what places they should play. I think they have their own PR people to sort that out. Plus, if Spain was consulted, management would have asked other people in other countries as well to set up a full European tour. As far as I know there hasn't been any talk in other countries (France, Belgium, Germany), otherwise it would probably have leaked out as well. I think this is a bit fishy, but hey, let's hope!

It wasn't the management, it was the promoters who asked what size venues they should aim for.

It's possible, but I'd think that IF they are in fact planning to come back next year they would want to make it loud and clear....also, from the point of the Rio promoters, you want to maximize your sales as fast as you can-whch means announcing your headliners as fast as possible.

Axl didn't talk about it-lol

Well, if they play Rock in Rio (Lisbon), playing Spain is possible. Portugal and Spain are neightboors countries. You have 1H or 1H30 of plane betweeen Lisbon and Madrid. :peace:

you didn?t get him...   he said the rumour talked about the release and not axl.

let`s hope that this comes true.... it seems to be realistic

Last time that web told anything about GNR touring, was in the last tour.

They have direct contact with Pino Sagliocco (The most important musical promotor in Spain and part of Europe) and they have been normally a good and reliable source, so I think the notice its true.

That said, the notice is that "some contacts" have been made... and we have to take it as it this, just somebody called somebody and asked the people from Rafa Basa website (Maybe the most important and well known "Heavy Rock" journalist in Spain that is very very involved with all that happens relationed with that kind of music in Spain) if GNR would yet be able to fullfill big places or if it was better to look for the medium size ones in case a tour happens.

So this only means that someone is "STARTING TO THINK" about MAYBE doing a GIG, and has called the person that knows better the musical "hard Rock" market in Spain just to ask. So THERE is a posiibility of a tour in the future, and maybe the machinery is starting to roll, but with Axl involved in it, you never know, man, you just never know...

And last, but not least, a fact:

That web was the first to say that Motley Cr?e were coming to Spain (Zaragoza, My city) and it happened. And I enjoyed it.

Yeah, this doesn't mean GN'R will be there. More like somebody would like to see what kind of place they could play if they were coming.





/jarmo

Even if this is the case, its good to see the promoters are keen to bring GN'R to Europe. Having been out of action for such a long time its surprising anyone's interested (besides RIR or the major festivals, who probably regularly invite the band on the off chance)

Play theatres.

Not if it means sitting down. I'm old, but not ready for that yet!

Just play.  :hihi:

At the begining, yes. But once the record is out, I hope it will be bigger, playing arenas or even better, playing stadiums. Guns N' Roses is a big act, the band sold 85 million records and if Chinese Democracy is a big success, with a couple of Top 10 singles, the band may reach the symbolic "100 million records" sold (let's hope!). So why playing small theatres when 50.000 people want to see you?
I think when ChiDem is out, the band will be able to sell out Wembley Stadium (London) or "Parc des Princes" (Paris) and some other European Stadiums.

I don't know about that, but GnR I'd agree that they have more marketability as a touring group in Europe and Asia than they do here. There seems to be less of a negative perception of Axl abroard than here in the US (then again, he actually completed a full tour in 2002 abroad-might have a little to do with it).

I think GNR should do smaller venues in the US.  If they are able to make a huge tour in Europe and the demand for GNR in the US is big again, then they should plan for maybe 7 shows at big arenas and thats all.

That's the kinds of venues bands with hits and dedicated fans sell out.

GN'R has some dedicated fans, but it remains to be seen if they'll have hits.



/jarmo

1) GN'R has a prestigious past. It's not the same bunch of guys, but they will play the big GN'R Hits for sure. And it will be enough to bring a lot of people. A good promotion and it will be enough. people do have memories. they remember the big Hits. HOWEVER, it's still insecure to know how they will react without Slash. Nobody knows. It's an "X factor". You can't know that.
2) About the Hits...just release "The blues" as a single, and you'll see how successfull the band will be. The Blues would be very radio friendly, people would love it. IRS could also be a Hit, same for Madagascar in the "epic" style. I don't worry for the Hits.
3) Don't forget the Greatest Hits pretty big success.? : ok:
4) In Paris, Depeche-Mode is about to sell out "Paris-Bercy" 3 times for their february gigs, Bercy is a 17.000 people arena, 3 x 17.000 = 51.000 people. Basically, they could play a stadium. So don't worry for GN'R. With a new album and a good promotion, they will do great for sure.

This new band just needs promotion, I mean a real and serious promotion (not the weak one of 2002 - the band was poorely promoted).

I dunno, i don't think this will come to anything - but, if genuine it would mean the band is thinking about a tour, and at this stage Axl giving thought to ANYTHING pro-active should be viewed as fantastic news

i think the promotion part might be a factor to why Axl is holding his shit back. I mean it does cost ALOT to launch a heavy promotion and as we know, gn'r has already spent 10 15 million dollars on CD.... i don't know anything about promotion or it's costs, i'm only guessing. ???

And by all means, i do think he has other, much more important, reasons for not letting out the BEAST.

Amen to that! :P

this kind of approach is usual in the business. it's just still a possibility.
for instance, in 2004 they had a whole European tour booked.
i know the biggest promoter here in Portugal, and he had booked Velvet Revolver. so i asked him for a slot in the gig for my band, and he asked me if i wanted to open for VR or Guns n'Roses. i asked him if he was crazy, and he said he had a contract with them for a show in lisboa. even Jarmo had some contacts that confirmed shows in central europe at the time, if i remember correctly.
what happened was that there was no show, and backyard babies ended up with the VR gig. My band ended up doing gigs for another promoter, we did the whitesnake show, and this year we opened for robert plant at a big summer festival.
i'm gonna start asking some questions again....

or less. i live in central england, took me 1hr 30min from central england to Malaga in South east spain

the only spanish show would be rio otherwise this is just another pile of shit like every other gnr will be playing their rumor

Lisbon is not is Spain  :hihi:
question: Are you American?  ;D

i thought rio was in brazil which is a spanish show..

Rio de Janeiro is in Brazil, they speak Portuguese there.



/jarmo

Mike, thanks for making us Americans look even more ignorant!

No problem,, it's all greek to me...

I only know what they speak in new york :P

ahaha exellent! oh and don't forget Paris is in Germany wich is in Africa ;)

So everything south of texas isn't spanish :o :rofl:

mr. w bush is in town! fuck yeawh!

Yeah, there are a few countries south Texas where spanish is not spoken, BRazil one of them, but yeah very close.

Mike, you did know Spain is in Europe right?

Well well.....we could play a little geography game here :hihi:. Damm, Rio Spanish??? Little samba here I believe.

Regarding the news, I live in spain and it's the first time I hear about rafabasa (which doesn't mean nobody knows it), but I don't.

Kind regards,

A newly born brazilian fan (yessssssss, I will finally win the soccer world cup!!!)

by the way rock in rio is not in rio..... :hihi:

Paris, Texas?

oh My god :o

If any of you think this is remotely close to being true, you need to have your head examined as you are as delusional as Axl.

So you're remotely saying Axl thinks this one may come true.

Brazil was a spanish speaking country at one point but its know Portuguese

Brasil was a Portuguese colony, we discovered it in 1500, and since then was part of Portuguese territory, and the official language was, and still is Portuguese (jut like in other ex-colonies like angola, mozambique, cape green, guine, st tome & prince).
on septemeber 7th 1882, the portuguese king D. Joao VI accepted brasil's indenpendency, knows as the "gripo do ipiranga", although he gave his son D. Pedro the title of Imperor of Brasil.
later on brasil converted it self to a republican model, just like Portugal did in 1905.
it's very usual to see brasilians working in portugal, especially in restaurants, construction or prostitution, and sometimes in more recogniseble works like publicity and marketing, just like there have been some investments in brasil from top portuguese companies, mainly in telecomunications, energy and investment banking.
in february/march i'll open my office in rio de janeiro, i own a stock broker. can't wait to go there since rio is one of my favorite cities in the world, and i'm planning on living there for quite a while, and if things work out good estabilish myself in floripa or angra, outside of the insecurity of big cities liek sao paulo and rio.

 : ok:

Uh, seems like my country is very well known. :P

We never was a spanish country.

"GriTo do Ipiranga". : ok:


Anyways, back on topic, is there any news about this speculation on the spanish web site?

I'm pretty sure its 100% pure bullshit.

Ok, I know it's just a rumour. But there's no reason to believe it's pure bullshit either. I mean... why not? It happened before, why not again?

a rock in rio is the only show imo that holds any water without an actuall press release

don't you all remember how axl cried about bh ruining his favorite show and how much he loved the rir, so this time no more excuses..

*waits for the next person he can blame* :hihi:

There's definitely a certain amount of truth to the rumours about the Spanish shows. Enquiries are being made but no more than that at this stage.

Wait and see what happens with Rio, if that happens then a European tour will take place and Pino Sagliocco will be involved in the organisation of that. Rock Im Park's a possibility too although MLK won't talk about it at present.

Mike's right. The only legit possibility is Rio. But just because GNR does Rio doesn't mean a European tour is gonna happen. :confused:

Every year promoters try to get Axl to do a show and every year since '02 he turns it down. This is just the annual feeler to see if GNR are interested.

The real reason Axl didnt play RIR 4 is because VR were asked to play if GNR came.

That would have been hilarious if VR played RIR and Slash did the opening notes of jungle.

If this is true, then GNR will never perform again. VR are one of the top rock bands of this era, and they aren't fading anytime soon.

The real reason? Please.. you don't have a clue so don't pretend that you do.

Plus, if they ever played at the same gig.. VR would be opening down the appearance list somewhere below GN'R.
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True, but a VR/GNR bill would have a 'battle of the bands' aura surrounding it. As we know, Axl doesn't seem to like pressure very much. :hihi:

Hmmmmmmm...........  let me check my list

- Just got past the 4th Qtr Xmas rumors - check
- The inevitable New Years show rumor - check
- Time for the early spring release of CD - check
- Speculation of GNR playing RIR - check
- The European summer tour - check
- Next up the late summer CD release - Coming Soon
- More speculation of a fall release - Coming soon

REPEAT
REPEAT
REPEAT

:rofl: It happens every year, although I have a feeling we wont be riding that merry go round much longer. We'll either get CD in 2006, or most people will give up and not give a fuck anymore. CD is in critical condition, and 2006 is its only life support.

OOPS- forgot to mention GNR being rumored to be involved in every sound track to every movie that is released in 2006. 

Please add 100 more rumors to 2006 (already have DaVinci Code) - check

Really? Well in 2004 they pencilled in other dates before and after Rio although they never materialised due to the Axl press release. Why don't you check the wording of that press release and go over some of the threads from that era regarding Rock Im Park and other European festivals/dates.? : ok:

2006 looks like being an exact copy of 2004 in terms of dates they are looking to book. Only this time hopefully we won't get a press release announcing that they are pulling out. Don't make judgements on GnR in 2006 until Rock Im Park and Rock in Rio headliners are announced some time in the new year and I definitely suggest checking out what involvement Pino Sagliocco (the Spanish promoter talked about on Rafabasa) had in the cancelled 2004 "European Tour".

  If it's even remotely factual that they're looking in/in the process of booking a summer tour around europe, axl and his management must be

a) reasonably confident nobody is leaving the band soon

b) that they'll have some new product to offer when the tour starts

 You'd also think that they'd be entering into rehearsal mode no later than April-I can't imagine you'd go on tour with less than 3 months rehearsal time (though I'm not in the industry nor am I a musician so I really don't know).

Either way, most of these big festivals start announcing no later than march-so i imagine we'll know whats up before the end of the first quarter of the year.

you forgot the superbowl.... any day or week now some jackass will post that Axl will "pop out and suprise the world" with a show at the superbowl....

Uhhh who said 50,000 want to see them. They couldn't even sell out 20,000 last time around. And just randomly how is Chinese Democracy going to sell 15 million copies. Green Day has a much bigger fan base (at least in the US) and there American Idiot Cd didn't cell close to 15 million

Funny how things turned out to be... huh?   :rofl:

Hahahahaha. :hihi:

Now, we're just waiting for the cd release date. ;D

Sagliocco is well known for opening his mouth before he should. This was the first real sign of a GnR summer tour, and when he mentioned it to rafabasa I was 99% confident the tour would go ahead.

Well ... what can I say?

I told ya.  :)

i love the thousandth of rumors that actually comes true :hihi:

"Look who was talking, you know-it-alls, we told ya dumbass! " thread bump starts now. :rofl:

Well, since I did it, I guess I have to explain it a bit...

I searched for the Spain thread cause I wanted to find links to buy tickets. And when I read that post I couldn't resist...  ;D