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I think its a legitimate question. With all these years of hype concerning 'Chinese Democracy', and the fact that no matter how epic it is it wont be able to live up to its hype, so maybe Axl should change the name of the record!!! Not scrap the album, just change the album title. Its been many years since the words 'chinese democracy' were uttered from the GNR camp, and its been an unbearable weight on Axl's back ever since. Anytime the word 'china or 'democracy come up somewhere, people who were never really GNR fans will mention that 'unfinished album'they never did. The curiosity for this album is mindblowing!! Its not just us GNR whackos on the net, its people all over the world!! That is alot of pressure!! As the years go on without the album, i'm starting to understand why Axl is so discouraged from releasing it. After the 91-93 tour the world was still in GNR Hysteria. There were other music scenes emerging(alternative,hip hop,etc) but GNR was still on top of the world. Around late 94/early 95 the public started wanting a new album and what we didnt really know at the time was that the band didnt really exist anymore!! For some reason that we will never know, each and every member of GNR didnt give a fuck about doing a proper follow up album to 'Use your Illusion'. Everyone goes there seperate ways.Over the next several years all former members do solo work with very mild interest. During this time, Axl stays silent. Then for some reason Axl proclaims his upcoming album 'chinese democracy'.Axl stays silent. It is pure insanity. The pressure got to him. I personally believe that the term 'chinese democracy' was a concept that Axl came up with and has been blown completely out of proportion. He should have never have said chinese democracy. It's one song!! Think about it, one little idea Axl had for a song turned into the most anticipated and most certain to be the most scrutinized album in the history of music. The other songs we've heard so far have no connection to the 'chinese democracy' theme so I believe a title change is necessary. And i also believe the album will be released quicker with a different name. I believe if we wait another year for this album, Axl should seriously take my advice on the title change. But i understand the other pressures he has as well.He never followed up Illusions properly, so this one has to be brilliant. He wants to prove that he left the scene because HE wanted to, not because he had to. He knows that when its released we are going to find out if he's another Robert Plant or another Jani Lane. I wish him all the luck in the world!! But I guarantee you one thing, If Axl ever gets up the nerve to release 'chinese democracy', thats it folks!!! I do not believe the theory that Axl has 50 to 60 songs to work with and we would see several albums over a 2 or 3 year period. THAT"S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!! I personally believe 'chinese democracy' is Axl's swan song. And I think he knows it. After 'chinese' I will not be expecting another album from Guns n Roses ever again. We'll be damn lucky to get this one. If the pressure gets anymore intense, he might not even release an entire album. We might get it in bits and pieces through tribute albums or movie soundtracks. Or maybe Axl is gonna blow everyone's mind and release 'Appetite for Destruction Vol.2' Something he seriously considered doing several years ago. The 'Appetite' remake scenario would give him more time to procrastinate on 'chinese democracy', an album that may or may not exist. And if everything keeps getting delayed another year or two, the 'non-existent album' scenario will start to spread. I believe if he doesn't release it by next summer at the latest, his relevancy as one of the 'Rock Gods' will be called into question. And if fans,media,other bands,etc. start to ridicule him and seriously question his credibility, the album may rot in Axl's closet. One derogatory cover story from a major magazine could cause a delay of several years. The day this album is released(if it ever is),someone needs to write a book about it.? "The Making of Chinese Democracy" is one of the most intriguing events of our time.

hell no ! Ive been waiting far too long for 'chinese democracy' now Axl better give me some or I'll shoot hi ass  :hihi: :hihi:

But seriously here......I dont see how changing the title is gonna do any good to the album.....The album will still be ripped apart by the critics and naysayers no matter what....and for us believers it will be great... so nothing will change.... ;D Besides the title has a certain epicness about it.....  :P

He shouldn't change the title. It'd take another 2 years for him to come out with a new one.

Changing the name would be the most stupid thing they could do.

Everyone in the entire world knows the name already. Who has had an unreleased album of which the title is already a household name?

If they release the album everyone will recognize its title and will check the album out because "they could've never released it and now here it is; I wonder what it sounds like?"

This hype building up had been a major advertisement campagne. Not that it was intentionally, but it does work....

What was the first date/time axl said the new album will be called Chinese Democracy?? Seemed like Kurt Loder was talking as if it was taking forever and that was aug 2002..

I think he named it 'chinese democracy' back in 1998. But i've been waiting for it since 1994. Still waiting. Axl should have released an album back in early 95 or 96. It would have heightened his legacy. I will always think GNR not doing a kick ass followup to the'Use Your Illusion' albums as one of the great tragedies of rock. Axl wouldn't have this much pressure on him had they done so.

Yeah I have been waiting too, as for the no follow up the band was going in different directions so nothing could be done..
I think they had the right idea with TSI, kind of throwing the fans a  bone while we waited for the follow up.. I think this band should have done the same..

Have to disagree here.

First of all, it really doesn't matter what they call the album...honestly, it doesn't. It will be a huge event when it finally comes out and yes, the media will jump all over it. You'll hear everything from "This is such an amazing album, no wonder it took this long to come out," to ,"We've waited 11 years...for this piece of crap." The albums title will not effect this outcome in any way.

Secondly...I didn't LOVE the title at first when I heard it (2000 Intentions wasn't much better), but after a few months the title grew on me. Still, it was just a title. When I look back now, however, I think it's a very clever title in that people look at us fans and say, " Are you STILL waiting for Chinese Democracy?" It's like this entity that most people believe will never exist much like an actual Democratic government in China. Chinese Democracy = something that will never be. It even strikes a small amount of doubt in the hearts of GN'R fans when you speak of it in those terms. Perhaps this IS all one big joke...on us...the ones that are waiting for CHINESE DEMOCRACY!

Bottom line, although the music (not the title) will be the selling point of GN'R's next album, Chinese Democracy, the title that's been floating around for years, certainly has caught the attention of fans and non-fans around the globe.

EVERYONE is curious.  The title stays.

maybe they should call the band chinese democracy and name the album guns n roses

j/k

what ever happened with that wanker Dexter Holland trying to get the name???

Never happened.. What about use your erections.. :rofl:

Never, Don't even think of changing the name. The whole music world is waiting for Chinese Democracy!!!!!!!!

Seemingly China is now undergoing an emergent rush of Capitalism. There?s tremendous gap between the rich fast growing in Shanghais and the poor from/in farming area. That country needs urgent social systems such as civil rights, education and welfare like we enjoy.? I suppose Chinese turning point is almost there.Good idea!!! :lmao:
Or, how about keeping "Chinese Democracy" as a series title and putting it like a common subtitle for every future album beside the main title.?

People are going to be critical of the album no matter what it is called...I think he would probably be ridiculed more for not calling it chinese democracy

I like 2000 intentions better

It would be the first gnr disk with a song as the title...

2000 intensions is ok..

I remember starting a thread on this topic about two years ago. It got about the same reaction as this one!

I agree that changing the name of the album would not be a bad move. I don't think 'name recognition' as regards the album is a major thing.

The only name people need to know is Guns N Roses. When a new album by Guns N Roses comes out, people will take notice. When I did this thread before, that's what I thought they should call the album: Guns N Roses.

At this point, Chinese Democracy is taking on Ishtar-like perjorative connotations. Almost like, 'even if it's good, we're going say it's bad.' A lot of people think of it as a joke album. Someone mentioned Offspring... they aren't the only ones that find Chinese Democracy funny.

I think if you took away that name it would be one less cutting remark for people to make when talking about the album, if and when it's released.

I heard Chinese Democracy won't be on Chinese Democracy. Just like The Doors didn't put Waiting For The Sun on the same titled album.

or led zep with houses of the holy?  I think.... i could be wrong

new band new beginning i said it a long time ago ill say it now

start fresh with a self titled cd

guns n roses 

From the live versions I've heard of the (maybe) title song, I wouldn't mind if it wasn't included. I don't think its one of the best guitar riffs I've ever heard. Of the new 'rockers', I prefer Oh My God.

call it Middle-Eastern Democracy - would tie in well with events going on in the world

I actually agree.
Chinese Democracy already has such a negative backlash to it - no need to shoot yourself in the foot right off the bat.
Change the name.
New band, new songs, new album title.

New Band name????

He could have just kept it simple:
How bout: GnR

And then first album title something related to the old band or his current situation.
Moving On
or
A New Era
Dedicated To Those I Love
Set Free

Those are sort of gay, but you get the drift. Something subtly related to the rest of the band leaving.

I believe he meant new band as in new band from what the old one was...

Therefore new band, new songs, and new album tritle..

NO FUCKING WAY.
The title of this album and the hype about it is the best and one of their strongest publicity tactics to make a big comeback.

I think the title should stay too because as others have said the title itself will compell people to pick it up and want to hear the 'mythical' CD. As for the song 'Chinese Democracy', I hope that does appear on the album as well as 'The Blues' and 'Madagascar', sure Axl probably has got songs that will blow those 3 away but they are favourites among fans now and we deserve to hear studio versions! I love those 3 songs. I'm sure Axl did say in an interview though that all the new songs they performed live are the ones they weren't planning using as singles.
I just wish Axl had the same confidence in this album that us fans have cos it does seem as though he keeps putting it off due to fear of people disliking it, all that time out of the spotlight is bound to affect your self confidence though I guess. I've said it before, the CD tour and the release of 'Oh My God' were simply to test the water, to see how the fans and media take to the new GNR, maybe it didn't go down as well as Axl wanted and that is why he is scared. He's trying to create the perfect album that everyone WILL like and I don't think it's possible, no matter how perfect the album is people will always hate.

They're about to.  ;)

Do you think the new album should be called Chinese Democracy, if the song Chinese Democracy is also released it could create confusion. Do you have any alternative names for the album or anything to say about the name?? : ok:

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

Chinese Democracy is a good name - both for the album and song.

I don't think people will get confused between an album and song of the same name. I think it is too late to change the name anyway - people are expecting "Chinese Democracy". People are familiar with the title as well - they associate it with GNR and Axl Rose.

All the talk of Chinese democracy over the last 5/6 years can only be good in the long run. You know what they say - any publicity is good publicity. They would lose some of that with a different title IMO.

GNR-Chris

Chinese Democracy is a really good name for a album its cool and I'm sure they'll will be no confusion

It wouldn't be a surprise to me if it was changed....Axl had the tour and it failed. So start from a fresh page, new look, new record, forget the past.

A lot of albums have the same name as some track on the album. It's nothin' new. Bonjovi's Keep The Faith, Dire Straits Sultans of Swing, Metallica's Master of Puppets, to name a few... Chinese Democracy is a great name. Axl hopefully will stick with it : ok:

I know it's not new, but it is for Gn'R. I still think it might create a small bit of confusion? :-\

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

I think Chinese Democracy is fine. Dont complain cause god forbid someone comes on this board that actually knows Axl and brings this to his attention and fills his head with doubts about that title. Then we're stuck for about 2 more yrs while he sits their with the finished product thinking of a great title for the album. LOL

I think a great title for this album is ITS ABOUT FUCKIN' TIME  :peace:

how about this title for the record :


"you will never play me"




 :D

It's a great name for the record. Offspring used to like the name too :hihi:

Chinese Democracy is a good name. :yes: 8)

it's a nonsense question

weve been waiting a very long time for the album "Chinese Democracy" to be released
the same record under a different name wont be the same for me

it's a nonsense answer :P

Why, I don't understand. Wouldn't you still like AFD if it were called Happy Fairy Princess? It's the music that counts in my opinion
 
:smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

I'D CALL THE ALBUM "SPOONFISH AND THE LEGENDARY SPOONS"

I understand what your saying, but the name ' CHINESE DEMOCRACY' is now legendary, and has been for almost 10 years.
if the name changed it just wouldn't be the same regardless of the songs or the quality of the record...it would be like recalling AFD 18 years later and changing the name to Happy Fairy Princess.......Can you see where im at?  : ok:

Yeah, I suppose  :)

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

According to some on these boards, the name "Chinese Democracy" is now synonymous with failure, farce, procrastination and ridicule.
I've also heard it stated that it's a "popular culture" joke.

If it is to be successful, should Axl perhaps think about rebranding this project/product? Is the name Chinese Democracy too attached to what could be perceived as failure?

Discuss and feel free to offer alternative titles.

No way

That album title is already legendary.

Legendary perhaps, but for the right reasons?

it should be called Contraband.

wow, thanks for imparting such gems of wittism on to the board

we are truly blessed

No they should just stick to chinese democracy. changing it would be wrong.

The name Chinese Democracy already has more publicity than u could buy.

Its what people are waiting for, so changing it would get the CD buzz.

I think perhaps keeping it would be a good idea, then maybe the title would be synonymous with "well worth the wait"........... well here's to hoping it is.? : ok:

hard to say, i dont belive they will change it, but there sure is a chance that it might happend.
They called theyr 2002 tour, Chinese Democracy tour, why do that, when they knew that "soon is not the word"
It could just be a project name that they used, during the "test tour", and making the album.
Its a bit waird, coz most bands dont publich the album date before a couple of months before the release date...

Finishing and releasing the labum would be a better idea. CD is a legnedary title and describes the whole world of Axl Rose.

Why is that ? didn't Axl said about the title that it has no meaning, just a title he likes ?
I don't think it describes anything at all....

GNR never had used the name of one of their songs as the album title before, I like more that style of titles like AFD, Lies, UYI and even TSI. I agree that it would have more impact to release the album with a new and fresh name, not a title that has 5 years of flyin' around and it has been linked to ridicule and an eternal waiting.

Agreed. If the album comes out as "Chinese Democracy" people will be like "wow, I can't believe it." If it comes out under a different title, people will be like "eh."

No, but releasing it may be a good idea. 

Well said  : ok:---the name has become part of the legend of the most expensive record ever made-it can't be replaced in any practical way.

Isnt this a "Dead Horse'' topic?

NO!
The name itself (Chinese Democracy) has a huge aura.

i don't think it would matter one way or another what it is called, it's still the "forthcoming" GnR album, the long awaited followup to the UYI records

how about "GUNS N ROSES DEMOCRACY"

or "Axl's Democracy"  :hihi: that would explain alot more :P

I don't think that'd be wise at this point (changing the name in any way).  The name "Chinese Democracy" is already legendary and even people outside of the music industry know it.  If the album comes out under a different name I could see hundreds of people saying "but what about that 'Chinese Democracy' album he promised for 100 years?"  I think they'd lose money changing the name.

CD should stick.  I'd rather hear '"Chinese Democracy" finally has a release date' rather than "the new GN'R album is coming out."

If they want to change something then change the name of THE SONG "Chinese Democracy", not the album title.
Even better: don't even include that song on the album. Save some space on the album to include a better song instead.

Well, that could happen.. I actually have s feeling that chinese democracy was the working title at the time
who know.. would be great if they keep the name, but what should they call the next tour... Chinese Democracy tour VOL 2

I wouldn't be suprised if the name is different... We just use the name were know and that was said.. On one hand it has a lot of publicity wether good or bad... On the other hand it's an extra challenge... SOmeone buys it and says THIS is chinese d., was it worth the wait???

I am at such a point with this that I don't think about it much anymore.. I really have my doubts it will evr happen.. ANything is possible but i tend to think it may not happen..

perhaps "Dizzy Reed presents the Silkworms tour"?

Keep the name of Chinese Democracy!

I think he will keep the name. The album has had such notority, he would be foolish not to exploit it.

How about Chinese Demo? Then if people hate it, he can just say calmly "Och, it's just a demo my friend"

the cool thing would be to release something else than Chinese Democracy, something "new", and while releasing new music we can all still waith for Chinese Demosracy which he keeps claiming he will release sometime soon,,,

They should name it "Smell the Glove". Then, the cover should be a naked woman on her hands & knees, with a dog collar & leash, smelling a glove that someone is holding in front of her nose. Brilliant!

Lol its more like Axl's Dictatorship

like many have said it would be dumb to change it now.  anything that gets the name out there to the public like this has is a good thing for them and they need all of that they can get!

'Finally' would be the best choice.  :hihi:

  Yeah!!! with axl rose doing live stand up comedy.

I would hope he would still name the album Chinese Democracy.  Even though the name has gathered more negative press rather than positive press, it's still press.  Or rename it Better Late than Never. ;D

or "soon is the word" "slash is in my ass" "fuckead, go home!"? :hihi:

This is a good question. However, I think Axl "HAS TO" keep the title "Chinese Democracy".  It has a lot of value because it has been talked about in the media already like "Smile" or "Lifehouse". If he were to rename the album, every interviewer would ask "What about Chinese Democracy?" and Axl would have to respond "Well, it is the same music just a new title?". Interviewer "So, will you ever release an album name Chinese Democracy?" It is too confusing . . .

Did people bitch when 2000 Intentions was scrapped? I dont think the fanbase will die if he changes the name of CD now. Its like Jimmy said, there is no positive buzz surrounding the name of this album. The mystery is gone. If he wanted to capitalize on the mysterious aura surrounding CD, he should have released it in 2001-02. It is more of a joke nowadays. The only people who take it seriously is us.

As far as I remember, that name was nothing but a rumor.

Chinese Democracy has been mentioned by Axl himself and they named a tour after it.




/jarmo

I like the song chin dem but the name for the album burns me out.

I think its a great name for an album, but I don't think the song is strong enough to be the title track. Very average!

At this point it is retarded for him not to change the name of the album and his band...

I think that is going a little too far. :confused: