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"Axl Rose Deserves Respect"

I respect Axl Rose because he is not running to the commands of others.

I respect Axl Rose because he is clearly not compromising his vision or art.

I respect Axl Rose because he is not playing the "celebrity" game by whoring himself to the media for attention.

I respect Axl Rose for not settling for mediocrity.

I respect Axl Rose for continuing to carry the burden of "Chinese Democracy" despite the weight it must be on his shoulders. (Evidence of Axl Rose's rumoured "large balls" here...)

I respect Axl Rose for moving away from the Guns N' Roses "sound". Something called "creativity" - Bon Jovi should look and learn.

I respect Axl Rose for being the last of the great rock stars. A dying bunch...? No, a dead one. Well, there's one guy left.




- Axl Rose Child

I believe one day Axl Rose will be regarded as one of the greats. Even if C.D. bombs, future generations will appreciate it. His time will come

And he did save X-Mas after all.

very moving.

my respect for axl starts now!!!  :hihi:

nutswinging starts now!

But wouldn't be cool to se Axl on that "Celebrity poker" game show?!?

wouldnt it be cool to see him .. ummmm ... anywhere?!  ???

I guess we'll always have the "old pictures that we'll always see"  :yes:

Hahaha! I thought about that once.. how WEIRD it would be to see Axl on TRL.. or.. commenting on "I Love The 80's".. like wtf?

you are absolutely right :)  and I agree completely


"not compromising his vision or art." very well put.


"I believe one day Axl Rose will be regarded as one of the greats. Even if C.D. bombs, future generations will appreciate it. His time will come"   absolutely true.

I definetly respect Axl for being creative with Guns n Roses, AFD and UYI have successfull, but too completely different sounds.  If you listen to Metallica or Linkin Park, even Velvet Revolver, they have good songs, but they all sound alike.  Each GnR song is unique, and I respect Axl for that.  I was listening to Madagascar the other day and the sound of the song is so different from anything out there today, and its an amazing song too.

I agree. 

Going in totally different directions and making your music into masterpieces isn't an easy task.

Velvet Revolver stands out from Metallica and Linkin Park because all VR's songs are good, no fillers.  Most of the music today has one good song on an album and that's it.  Chinese Democracy is going to be a masterpiece.   :drool:

 all VR's songs are good, no fillers.?
  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Thats the funniest thing I've ever heard!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Axl's just one cool motherfucker...end of story :beer: :smoking:

the thing is though guys once axl comes back into the media spotlight its very very likely he'll go on TRL, that show seems to pull the biggest stars!!! Even motley crue went on their when they reunited, i seriously think axl (or richard or tommy) will b on there sometime

Nice Post ARC.........

WC

Thank you very much, my old friend.

I think Here Today... needs the Warchild. :)

Very very good post mate! I enjoyed reading that a lot! Fair play on you! Mike

I absolutely agree. There need to be more fans who think/feel the same way.

WRONG. FANS deserve respect.

Good call.  Most all of us on the boards respect Axl, thats why we're here. 

no they don't god damnit, why the fuck or rather what the fuck have you done to deserve axl's respect? you or any other fans don't deserve jack shit, we have already gotten hours of great music that will never ever die!

that was a plain stupid post imo.

great post btw ARC

I'll second that.

i don't know if this has been said already...but respect goes 2 ways.

but you people are forgetting one thing, I love Axl but he is the little girl that cried WOLF, and I see that as a mystake- he shouldn't have made a tour without an album, he shouldn't have said an album was coming (even if he said soon is not the word) he shouldn't have done anything, just record the album shutup and make a big surprise

but in the end I think he learned from his mystake and that is why we haven't got any news since buckethead's departure... but IT'S TOO LATE, HE ALREADY GOT US INTO WAITING...

sure maybe we shouldn't wait and feel bitter about it, but it's stronger than us.


+Merck and the others keep  saying soon, and they are ALWAYS WRONG !!

and that's why we are upset...
Fuck merck, shut the fuck up !

Exactly!!!!!

why the fuck should an artist respect a loyal fan who speands their hard earned money on said artists albums , concerts , merchandise etc etc ... spend time making fansites dedicated to the artist , spend time talking about the artist and helping spread word about the artist and his or her work.

What an silly thought , artist respecting their fans.  ::)

good point...
Axl&Co just could have said that album isn't comming out anytime soon... but I guess Axl likes all these rumors, speculations... keeps GNR name alive...

I respect what Axl has done for the Old GNR, but the verdict is still out on whether or not the NEw GNR desearves respect.  So far, the new GNR has not earned my respect.  But it doesn't matter.

I'll buy that one.


I'm not quite sure he has a clear vision that's compromisable


Can't argue with that.


The jury is still out on that one.


No feeling here, he brought the burden on himself. ?He made his bed...


1 new song in 14+ years isn't enough to go on.


Gotta disagree, there's plenty of rock stars around.

Axl Rose need to be told what to do at this point, because he seems to be motivated very little to put out any music let alone leave his house. Izzy and Alan Niven used to be up his ass about things and thats how things GOT DONE in the good ol' GNR.

I may respect the second point because its true that he clearly likes to do his own thing musically but what is it?! It is still very unclear what Axl's vision or art is since he hasn't put anything out, and has hired a bunch of random guys with random musical backgrounds to put together a unified body of music.

Axl's celebrity status in the late 1980s and early 1990s is the reason why most of us know his music. If he didn't care about his celebrity and making money, he could have gone the way of Izzy and been content performing in clubs and being a cult hitmake like the Ramones instead of putting together arena tours with Metallica. If Axl wants to see his nu work embraced by the people, he needs to become a celebrity again to some extent (maybe with the media exposure of Eminem - no two ways about it.

Axl certainly doesn't settle on mediocrity but what so mediocre in GNR from before!? And if anything, VR's new record Contraband was great, not mediocre, thereby refuting Axl's assertions that Slash didn;t want to work hard to make a successful album. If anything was mediocre from the ol' GNR it was "My World" - a solo Axl track on UYI.

It was Axl's decision ultimately to continue with the GNR name under his own terms. He never reached out to his former bandmates (he hasn;t spoken to Slash in 9 years, when Slash is clearly reachable and accessible) and decided to hire replacements to continue with. Its ultimately Axl's responsibility and if he really had balls, he would have put the record out by now or even for us fans, had some preview of the material, or even a press release telling us why he didn't have the balls to appear on stage in Philadephia in 2002.

Nothing wrong with being creative. But there were many rock bands before like the Beatles and Led Zeppelin who displayed mounds and mounds of creativity and rock n' roll innovations in short stints of time rather than Axl who has spend the last 10 years being creativite and producing nothing worthy of the old GNR successes. They also learned to get creative with the familiar bandmates that made the great music rather than pushing out old bandmates and hiring new ones which ultimately has compromised the release of new music.

Axl Rose was a rock star in 1993 when he performing and putting out music. He won't be a rock star again until he does the same and does it successfully, not in a shitty way that alienates fans like myself.
Axl Rose deserves respect for his activities between 1982-1994 from when he left Indiana to when he awarded Elton John at the Rock N' Roll HOF ceremonies in NYC. What has done to get respect since? Nothing. Rock Stars have balls andthey don;t retreat into their mansion to be taken care of by a middle-age South American lady.

MNW

very well put

So when fans pay $60-100 for a concert ticket, the fans don't desrve the respect of the artist they paid to see to show up :rant:  this lack of respect tends to cause riots and innocent people who paid there hard earned money find themselves in harms way.  Next time Axl takes his merryman on tour, i hope he doesn't show up at your venue and you get stuck on the floor when the chairs fly ;D

I agree with a lot of this.
But respecting him for carrying the load for chinese democracy is ridiculous.
This is NOT a guy who is spending months and months perfecting a record.
From all reports, he went months and months without even working on it, and over the past 3 years since the tour ended, who knows how much he's actually spent on it.

I think Axl rules, but he lacks the ambition that the true great rock n roll stars have.
If he had it, we would have already had at least one spectacular record, and even without the record, we would have had more world-class live performances over the past 5 years.
I'm not going to reward him for his laziness or indifference over finishing this record. The delays fall squarely on him (and perhaps on lawsuits which may be out of his hands).

  I happen to think Contraband was mediocre,  and a lot of people think like me.
that sounds racist.

Its healthy to be politically incorrect. I take after my hero Axl in his famous hit song "One In A Million."
Its the reality here in the USA that menial jobs are done by immigrants to our country. NOthing racist. My ancestor did similar work when they came here 100 years ago.
The reality is Axl's #1 confidant in the last 10 years is a South American nanny who used to care for Stephanie Seymour's son Dylan and her name is BETA LABEIS. Everyone here knows who she is.

I also think a lot of AXL Rose fans on the boards may love GNR's hits (obviously), but they are so caught up in Axl's trip that nothing else should exist in the world of GNR except his input and his direction.VR showed me at least that Slash, Duff particularly and Matt were capable of rocking harder than at any point since AFD, while going double platinum. GNR's Greatest Hits showed me that their input on all of GNR's hit songs hits a chord (no pun intended) with fans while also going double platinum. Meanwhile, it seems more to me that a nu-GNR record might only sell with the hard core members on these boards and not with the mainstream as it once did. Not to say its bad music - it could very well be great, but the way Axl carries things since 1995, he may not fully involve himself and his band as needed to get the music out like he once did as a struggling musician in 1985 Hollywood.

MNR

Bro, you might start treading on some thin ice with that "One in a Million" comment :no:.

 :o Feel better now erose? :hihi: Chill dude :smoking:

yeah dude, had a little trouble there, lightening my spliff... :hihi: but it's all good. :smoking:

This threads getting pretty hateful. :o ?

From personal experience, and from I guess getting older, I'll probably never go to a GNR show again. ? I hate waiting in an arena with a bunch of drunk kids for 2 hours waiting for Axl, then worry that someone will throw him a wrong look and he storms off. ?Maybe it because I'm American, right erose?

Respect... a word that is essentially a 2 way street. We wait and we wait. We get a few live shows (LV and RiR3). He tells us the album will be here "soon". We wait and we wait. More shows, a (sort of) tour with some great original material and we get told the album will be here "soon". Then....

NOTHING

Well we hear rumours that come from the band members themselves. Nothing happens.

I respect the music as I have always done. But to respect a person who himself is playing the same sort of games he shouted down other people for playing is a hard push. I'm not here for Axl or any particular member (past or present). It's the music, that is what is important. Many here seems to have lost sight of that. We have a lack of that one thing, the one thing that is most important to any bands existence.

This is not to say I do not not respect Axl for certain decisions he's made in life, the fact is I'm just a fan wanting to hear new material from a band I have decided to throw my support behind (I haven't thrown my full support behind many bands). It's the music I want.. not the glitz, glamour and personality behind it all. I know that there is huge potential in this band and I just want it unleashed. To hear a new greatness to an already great musical legacy.

I will end this shortly, but before that I have this to say:

Anyone who believes the respect we give is more to the person rather than the music is deluded, the music comes first, then the personality behind it. I have been a fan of GnR since 87 when the ISE single was released (an uncle bought the pic disc 12". I now own this as it was passed to me after his death.)

A realist vew? maybe. A Pessimists view? definitly not, I belive we will hear the tracks one way or another in the future whether official or not.

The potential is still there, but at the end of the day, hearing is believing.

I have little respect for him because he has none for his fans.  This is not just about CD, it's about a failure to honor committments to his supporters.  I disrespect his tardiness, I disrespect his immature childish behavior, I disrespect him for burning all his bridges.  To get respect you have to give respect and Asshole Rose thinks he is too good to do this!

Hey Erose, I mean Jackass, I mean Erose,

Your confusing the two GnR's man.

I'm specifically talking about the 2002 version, the last tour 15-20 dates bookended by a riot at the beginning of the tour in Canada and the end of the tour in America.  Yeah, I may have a fucking sense of entitlement to see the fucking band I pay to see, imagine the nerve of me and 20,000 other people.  No, I wasn't one of the rioters, i was the one ducking trying to get out of their unscathed.

And, the old GnR may have played thousands of shows (and I think that's an exageration, maybe 1500-2000 tops) but they havent toured since 1993/4.  This GnR the you vehemently defend played, what, 20 shows and the tour was scrapped b/c the promoter pulled the plug.

Exactly, it depends on the interpretation he has for the song, and it looks like I was right  : ok:

I can't believe how  some people can be so negitive!! Very sad!!

All I can say is I BELIEVE!!!
amy l

Why would that comment get anyone "treading on thin ice"?  It's an opinion.  Isn't that what a message board is for?

Sure...

And my opinion is that he would be treading on thin ice.  Not that those song lyrics ever upset anyone. ::)  That song is a black eye for GNR. Always has been, always will be imo and in alot of other peoples opinion as well.  Play that song for some African Americans, and watch their opinion, since you want to bring opinions up there  kayoss ::)  Saying "Niggers" and "Faggots" isn't P.C. it's racist.  But thats for another thread.

FYI...blacks use niggers in their lyrics and conversations a hell of a lot more than GnR ever did

True.  It's called a double standard.  If you have a sister, you might tease her and call her a slut just for fun.  Would you like it if I called her a slut?  Anyways, I know Jarmo doesn't want this topic in the thread so I'm out.

Lets get one thing straight - there is a lot to admire about Axl Rose 87-93.

Specifically, his drive, his gravitas as a frontman, his uncomfortably honest lyricism, his cocky swagger blended with that lurking vulnerability and that raw, affecting voice.

As far as respect goes, it is a hard thing to grant him. I certainly respect the aspects I've just mentioned as I would respect those traits in anybody. But respect is something that can be chipped away at especially when that respect is not reciprocated in any capacity.

And that brings me to the point of this. Those who chose to preach the predictable drivel that is "live your life", "Axl doesn't owe you anything" etc.. etc.. are missing the point by a considerable margin.
It is irrefutible in my view, ?that Axl has disrespected not only his loyal fanbase over the last 5-10 yrs, but also the GN'R legacy and name.

Someone who respects his fans would not promise his rabid fanbase an album only to not deliver for whatever reason, but offer no explanation or even communication even in the way of a "the album has been delayed" or such like. Someone who respects his fans doesn't do no-shows to his concerts and again offer no explanation as to why after the ensuing riot. Someone who respects his fans, doesn't childishly look to blame anyone and everyone every time something goes wrong.

When Axl re-emerged a few years ago, I was really hoping he'd grown up a bit and could be relied upon a bit more. Instead we saw the same bullshit that had been growing in prominence on the UYI tour. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Axls rants and rages as much as the next guy, but when youi fail to turn up to a show and a riot breaks out and then you have the audacity to blame someone else when it was clearly your doing, I just see that as childish as opposed to dangerous or "on the edge" or whatever. Same goes with the lengthy and lofty press releases blaming anyone and everyone (see Buckethead) when it is clear to the rationally thinking world who has caused these dillemas.

So, in short, I am hoping Axl can win some respect back from his fans. He's treated them appallingly. I certainly used to respect Axl, and I certainly admire what he achieved a while ago now.

So, in my view, Axl is the one who should be perhaps asking himself about the issue of respect and it's implications.

Great post Jimmy, the only thing I'd disagree was the timeline.

About 87 to 90 for me.   

Another good one Jimmy.  I have to agree with Falcon on the timeline as well.  If we see a mature Axl, then I honestly believe he will take the world by storm. 

yeah i think I was being a tad generous there

A mature Axl would be an interesting study, allthough I think his days of taking the world by storm
are long since gone.

I think the Nero "fall of Rome" era Axl was far more interesting and creative than the younger Axl of AFD.

If Axl stil perform like he always have done. And still be the rockstar he was. He WILL take the world with storm. Couse he really is a prototype!
There have never been someone like him, and there wont be in the future, other himself...

i'm not confusing the old and the new band, i had both in mind.

I'm waiting now for the inevitable Scott Stapp Deserves Respect post to show up on the net somewhere.

"Creed's sound is my sound," Stapp says, lounging on a sofa backstage before an appearance on "The Tonight Show." "I think my record is going to speak for itself to the Creed fans. I think it's going to be like when Sting left The Police."

gee, the essence of Stapps words sound kind of familiar - mmm..??
bold words for sure

Great point, Jimmy. This could be why we still dont have CD. Maybe Axl senses the inevitable trainwreck, and wants to delay it as long as possible.

 : ok:
ya know ive allwayz loved those rather eccm large balls myself (giggle giggle).i like were you are coming from in this post.

Items 1-3, I can agree with.
Items 4-7 there simply is not enough evidence to say anything one way or the other.

THIS  POST IS OFF TOPIC.. SKIP IT IF YOU ARE A WHINER OR BITCHY TYPE:

I wrote a post in this thread as you have seen. As per usual noone reponded to my own thoughts. I need to know why.

Are they boring? or is it that there is no arguments from those who read it? This is what happens to most of my posts, I just need to know why. No ego stroking or anything else. I just want plain answers (without starting a new thread and without hijacking this one, so make sure you also poast in the context of this thread)

Thank you.

^
way to kill a thread dude  :hihi:

*wispers to security* Does anybody know who this guy is? Hmm.. Scree... *mutters to himself* scree scree scree... OOO! SCCCCRRREEEEEEE!! HEY! Whats been up pal!? Yeah, seriously long time no see! Well good luck on getting some respect around here. You deserve it  : ok: .... *waits till he walks away* ... Did anyone know who that guy was?

Heh.. jk bro..

Axl's almost exactly like Jim Morrison except more psychotic and a little higher vocal range.

I chose you as the quotable one, tho vasoline73 had a very humerous post (thanks both of you)

Tho I do seem to be a thread killer, I need to know (for my own benifit) why? I mean am I so boring noone wants to respond or is it simply logic that people on the web don't appreciate?

I want this thread to continue. All because it is a serious issue. Will it help if I said:

AXL SUCKS. OLD GnR FTW

?

No, thats a way for people to start hating you. People wont respond to every single post you make. Its like that for all of us. Do you want all of us to love you? Then leak CD! :rofl:

Hate/love means nothing to me on the net. It does not exist on this forum to me (and for the good). I just want to get to the bottom of this (unfortunatly for everyone I chose this thread, btw mods, this is not a hijack, I'm curious like the nosey bastard I am).

Once I recieve a possible answer that is more than a few lines (less humour more serious.. read my initial post in this thread). I promise I will leave this thread  for good once I recieve an answer more than "OMG you suxxorz" or "you are fucking boring"... At least back up the reason with a why.

btw.. I respect Axl as a person because of certainf things he has done in his life/career. He has done me no wrong . I respect however the music, which is worth far more to us.

You'll get a responce... the time will come!

Btw.. I respect Axl alot. For C.D.. that guy must get so much shit.. and thank god hes taking the time to make sure it isn't anything less than what we expect from the GN'R name. We will have it.. "soon"

Maybe hes a jerk sometimes.. but he cares about us.. lol. I think.. ?  : ok:

I have loads of respect for the things Axl has done.  I don't have respect for what Axl is doing.  There's a big difference.

Ahhhh that is why you are posting lyrics to "Wish you were here?"

I have been here a long time! mostly perusing........

the most Infamous WARCHILD

Good words Rob.

How can you have respect for virtually 12 years of silence?

Axl wants his privacy you say. Ok fine, but as a musical Icon he has some obligations too. It's just the way it is, when you are famous people want to know WTF is up. Personally I'm not a fan of Tabloid shit but alot of people eat it up. whatever that's not the point I'm trying to make.

1. For everything Axl has done musically I've enjoyed it tremendously so yes i have respect for his past acheivements.

2. When i saw GnR on tour on 2002 he was incredible still and i have respect for his talents on the show i saw.

3. For his cancelled shows and resulting Riots in 2002. WTF dude!!! you still have the power to incite a Riot. and that's pretty crazy to have that much control over people emotions. But i can't respect that, you promised the shows...play the fucking shows. Really old news so I'm over it. but i was disappointed 1 for the Van show cuz i already had Ticks for Toronto and thought the tour wouldn't last, and after i saw them in Toronto I was blown away and for the tour to be wiped out after liek 15 shows or whatever, I was pretty bummed. But like i said old hat, water under the bridge.

4. Now I don't know the details behind it, but the Metallica/GnR show in Montreal when James Hetfeild was burnt. K again GnR had the ability to save the day but Axl, for whatever reason (Sore throat blamed), decided not to finish the show, result: Riot. Dude you could have been a hero WTF. Sorry but can't respect that decision. but again that is wayyy old news so I don't care anymore, but at the time i was like WOW!! :o why would he be like that.

5. and my main point. 12 year Hiatus in recording a record...... Come-on. Honestly 12 years? WTF I think Axl is a great musician and all but 12 fucking years. Get Er Done already. jeez! Courtcases and personal life aside. all i can say is HOLY SHIT finish the damn thing already so I can respect your 'new' work. It's hard for me to respect something intangible, ya know what I'm sayin'? I don't give a shit if Dizzy says it's "great", or if Tommy thinks it's "Earth Shattering", let me hear it so I can make my own mind up.

I think he is a misunderstood guy.  and obviously he deserves respect, like everybody. he is a human beeing.

12 years of silence...? Wasn't the guy touring just three years ago?

Anyway - I respect Axl for what he is NOT doing. (i.e. accepting mediocrity & selling his soul)

Note i said VIRTUALLY :hihi:

I am 29 and yes, I respect Axl 1993-Previous for his genius musical contributions.  However I don't repect Axl of today.  He has become a parody.  His rants in the 2002 tour were really immature and not backed up by a lot of facts.  He still can't be relied on to actually make a show.  REMEMBER if Axl does ever tour again, what are the chances it will actually finish?  Not great, and then were right back where we started. 

I imagine Axl is surronded by a bunch of "yes" men.  He is filthy rich, and none of his leeches have the balls to tell him to get his head out of his ass.  That's what I think.

CD will not bomb. Every G n'R addict will pick up a copy.
what will be interesting is to see if any of the tracks will make for good singles and how well those singles do and how many non G n'R fans will be drawn to the new G n'R line up  :)

as for the comments he once made about some of the new tracks simply being B Sides remains to be heard. I can't rember off of the top of my head weather it was The Blues or Madagascar he was refering to?

Sure Axl misses shows, makes ridiculous rants and generally causes chaos...

But... thats Axl Rose.

I - for one - wouldn't want him any other way.

bazing !, you're so right  :hihi: but he isn't causing much chaos now, I blame him not for missing shows, make ridiculous rants and cause chaos but FOR DISAPPEARING >:(

Well, he'll be in the studio with Richard over the weekend (I presume) trying to do something about that.

"so then Rich, we have 2 completed tracks and 3 that need some polish and ideas for 5 more, so we could maybe end up with 10 for worlds best album eva"  ;D

yeah, "lets finish this baby off" (an EP)  :hihi:

Axl deserves respect f for what he (along with the rest of the old band) did for rock music during the late 80s early 90s when they kicked the collective ass of generic hair sissy rock all the while not become grungy self-loathing pricks. He deserves respect for keeping the old band together when they could have easily drowned in substance abuse from the get go. I can't say I respect the way he treats his fans-but then again, plenty of stars treat their fans poorly. I can't say if he deserves entire respect for his artistic vision until I hear a completed work.He has my personal gratitude for the show I saw in 2002, which is still the best rock concert ive ever been too.

Apparantly, alot of those Yes Men post in this room becaue I'm getting sick of reading Axl apologists saying how great he is when he hasn't done shit in 12 yrs except release "Oh My God" and play 15-20 shows of a world tour that began and ended with riots.  As for the "new music" he played during that tour, it's not the GnR I used to know and love thats for sure.  And for the performances, the band looks like a bunch of wooden marionettes and Axl looks bloated w/ a plastic face, a bad weave, and his voice sounded weak and unsure.  Not like he sounded during the AFD and UYI days at all. 

I respect him for the music he did from 85-93, but since than, what's there to respect him for?

Yeah, I Think ARC is right.........

THE warchild here...and I am reading the same old whiny-ass complaints.........
Society turns on people who don't play by the rules, and that seems to be the case with a LOT of people here......

The "fans" (and I use this word loosely, some don't seem like fans at ALL) Are NOT automatically
"entitled" to any information at all, unless the artist CHOOSES to inform them,

Just because you went to some concerts, bought some CD's and listened to the music does NOT
automatically give you access into every aspect of someone's life........Got It?

Some things and events, problems...etc...ad nauseum are NOT for Public consumption.

and you do not NEED information, you WANT information......that is the difference.
You have your NEEDS and WANTS confused.

Exactly how much money have any of YOU spent on the New Album..?????? That's what I thought.

The Album WILL be released and if you don't want to wait.......DON'T
Pissed off and don't wanna buy it?......DON'T

it's real simple.........

You wanna worship at the altar of REAL rock? Well it is ALL or  NOTHING
NO COMPROMISE.......with self OR music.......perfectionist......YEAH!

Some can't fake despair or pretend ecstacy......some can't just "go through the motions" to make a buck........(some CAN but I won't mention them right now)

The world is expecting an ecstatic, original, UNfuckingBelievable Album that will change the face of music...........and the vipers are at the ready to shoot and kill any and all effort........

I am QUITE sure the wait will be well worth  your precious time..........

GUNS N' FUCKING ROSES ...........BELIEVE IT!!!!

W.

WHERE IN THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN?......I have been venting again......

WARCHILD, ARC, and BACH..........The triune holy trouble team......ressurected!

GUNS N' FUCKING ROSES.........BELIEVE IT!!!!
WARCHILD

And here is a post that deserves respect ...

On the button, as always.

Don't suppose you're interested in jumping ship are you Mr. Warchild...?  :D

I agree with Rob and Nesquick, as Axl needs to be isolated cause he decided to is also a human being that needs his own little world not to be touch so I think that even though Axl hasn't done too much in the las years at least he is not whoring himself to the media like ARC said.
On the other hand I would really like any class of information, even if he said CD will be out in 2020 I don't give a fuck but I know it will be out someday.

Some advice to the people from that other board (AKA Mygnrforum), here we like to keep the threads on topic and private conversations should be done via PMs/e-mails.




/jarmo

See Madison, Jarmo asks nicely.

Appreciated Mr Jarmo and understood.

ARC ....WARchild can multitask rather well at times........

And BACK ON TOPIC......I for one, am SICK and TIRED of people who slag and Bitch because someone

plays by their OWN rules and REFUSES to compromise.......To Follow Societies Established rules.....and

Follows their OWN Standard of EXCELLENCE.............and is criticised for it! IT IS VICTORY OR DEATH ......REALIZED

You Want Axl To Be a HellHound Untamed Rocker, but expect him to cater to fans like a whipped lapdog??

AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.......you cannot have it both ways........

I AM QUITE SURE THIS WILL HAVE BEEN WORTH THE WAIT........the fucking EAGLES took 14 years

between releases..........

I RESPECT INTEGRITY .....so I will wait until it is ready

GUNS N' FUCKING ROSES...........BELIEVE IT...........I DO!!!!

WARCHILD

Fantastic point.

Axl Rose is a hellhound & I'm glad he is.

Wouldn't want him to turn into Bono.

how about, not bending over for anyone, doing exactly what he wants when he wants, working with some of the best mucicians in the worl, working with some of the best producers in the world, living a privete life and not selling his ass to the media or to the "fans". Thats basically everyones dream and he's living it. i think thats worth respecting, don't you?

to bad you don't get your needs fullfilled, the good thing about that is that Axl doesn't give a flyin' fuck so he will not compromise no matter what. he's probobly laughing at you for even opening you mouth, as if you would have anything relevant to ad to the situation.

you even bitch about the mans looks, what the fuck is up with that lol? the man isn't in his 20's anymore, get over it. and you obviousely haven't heard much from the 02 shows because the guy can sing better than anyone, "his voice is weak" yeah right...

"it's not the GnR I used to know and love thats for sure" which is the whole point and it always have been, it's called development or something, i thank god for stearing Axl away from doing another appetite. thats one of the brilliant aspects about gn'r, none of the records sound like eachother...

brilliant point.

IN ADDITION.......he DESERVES RESPECT because he is imperfect and ADMITS TO IT.....going public

with the Bipolar1 aka Manic Depression Diagnosis......THAT IS STILL A STIGMA IN TODAY'S SOCIETY

and it took GUTS to admit to it.........

We Should RESPECT HIM because he admits being as fucked up as we all are to one degree or

another.....and Fighting his OWN set of personal Demons THROUGH THE MUSIC......That is why we

relate to "Estranged" RAW FUCKING EMOTION..........

and the Melancholic NOVEMBER RAIN..........The Desperation of COMA............

HAVE the common courtesy, and YEAH RESPECT to Let him do things his own way.....cause he is

going to anyway...........FANS ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING......YOU WANT INFO.....and

DON'T "NEED" it............You will have Album and info when it is ready and NOT BEFORE.......

RESPECT THAT..........

WARCHILD

The only thing Axl deserves is a swift kick in the ass, as do all those on here who can't see through his faults.

I agree that an artist should be judged by their works and not by their personality or other secondary matters. we don't know him in person, do we?

However, everyone must have respect. Even your fav singer.

In the time that it has taken Axl to work on his new album:

The Beatles released 13 classic albums, and two albums worth of non-album singles
The Great wall of China was built
JFK was shot, nam, Watergate

I didn't know he started on it the day he was born  :P

Axl Rose is the Ultimate Warrior of rock n roll.  A guy who was huge in his prime, but royally fucked himself because he lost sight of everything that got him where he was. because he was too damn self-centered and egotistical.

Granted, there is one difference, Axl has talent and the Warrior was a shit wrestler who was just marketed well, but aside from that, they are exactly alike.

Dont forget 2 Reagan terms and 1 Bush term. : ok:

I would rather forget about those.

't was originated from the walls constructed during the Warring States period (year 770 bc ~403bc) and made up into one Great Wall by the First Emperor of the Qin in the 3rd century B.C. Hummm....Memories. :yes:

I bet it will take that long for "Chinese Democracy" to be completed. Axl's head will be in a jar, like in Futureama, and it will take him three thosand years to get his perfect record.

Haha

Oh please, give me a fucking break. If axl deserves respect for what he's doing now & been doing for the last god knows how many years, what do you have to say about people & musicians who actually create & produce music and are actually contributing to society?

Someone like Bruce Springsteen, for example. Comes out of semi-retirement in the late 90's with the e street band & goes on a year+ world tour, playing 3+ hours a night, never missing a show, or giving a sub-par performance.? Then, when 9/11 happens, reconvenes the e street band to record an absolutely brilliant album(The Rising), performs countless acts of charity, donates endless amounts of time & money, hell here in New Jersey he was playing benefits every week either at the Stone Pony, Count Basie Theatre, Convention Center in Asbury Park, Continental Arena, he sold out something like 10 straight shows at Giants Stadium, I can go on & on...

Or someone like Jeff Tweedy? He does nothing but put out brilliant album after brilliant album after briliant album. He has totally re-invented his sound at least 3 times already, each time better than the last one.He's a true musical pioneer, & I bet 3/4 of the people on this board have no idea who he is, although his band headlined Madison Square Garden last New Years Eve.? He(and Jay Farar) are responsible for three of the most creative, influental, & innovative American bands of the last 20 years(secret prize to whoever can name the 3 bands). After hearing his "new" gnr material, if you still want to cal it new, Axl can only DREAM about writing an album as good as Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, or A Ghost is Born, or Being There, or Anodyne, Or Wide Swing Tremolo.

How about Les Claypool, or even Buckethead, for that matter. These guys are fucking MUSICIANS, man. Not fucking poser "rock stars". I saw Les a few weeks ago & he just tore that shit up, he was a bit under the whether health wise, but he still showed up & played for close to 3 hours.? He's prolific as hell, & he's shared the stage with everyone from Trey Anastacio to BH to the guys in PFunk to Stewart Copeland.

How about people like Tom Morelli & Serge from System of a Down who, while being fine musicians in their own right, are actually putting their money where their mouths are & are dedicating large parts of their lives to making the world a better place for the downtrodden, the needy, the homeless, the disenfranchised. Do some research on them & you'll see what I mean. I might not agree with their politics, but I respect what they are doing.

These are just off the top of my head, but there are countless others - what about the ones who just go out & do it - release albums, tour constantly, put out a good product & always give people their money's worth? Groups & Artists like Iron Maiden, Weezer, Foo Fighters, RHCP, Phish(rip), Moe, String Cheese Incident, RUSH, Steve Vai, Brian Setzer, Pearl Jam, Dream Theatre, Macca, Stones, Radiohead, Interpol, Tom Petty, Eric Johnson, the list is practically endless.

So if you want to whine like a little bitch that axl doesn't get the respect you think he deserves, hey, knock yourself out. I'll save my respect for those whose actions actually merit respect.

Oh yea, one more thing. Those of you who "celebrate" axl's, childish, immature, self-centered, narcisstic, erratic, unstable personality as some sort of "true rock star" persona, grow the fuck up, already.

1) I'm not a "bitch".

2) I never said Axl Rose doesn't get the respect he deserves.

- I was simply saying why I respect Axl Rose today. I respect him for keeping his integrity and for not whoring himself to the media.

Nay. he should still have his head on his shoulders then, betcha.
Just look at his thick-ass neck, and your statement I quoted.

You're basically saying that Chinese democracy was initiate in about the year 995 b.c and is now about to be completed after the bloody three thousand years.

Respect is not the word?AWE is!!!

by golly I could not have said it any better.  I was wondering if I'd have to be the first bloke to say that.  it's the truth and needed to be told.

maybe we're not "celebrating" his behavior, but we RESPECT his decisions in life.  I don't know the guy or anything, but what he has accomplished to date (along w/ Izzy and Slash) has been ten times more than any of us have, I am sure. In terms of history--he has made his mark.  AFD will be one of those albums ppl remember....as well as his erratic bahaviour! If he never releases anything else, I really don't care bc I have the albums right now, and thank him and the rest of GNR for turning me onto great music.  My world would not be the same...that is for sure.  (I mean I love all other types of music, but none like GNR). 
Axl is a difficult person, that we have yet to figure out...and that's what intrigues us...

Have you ever been to a show where he didn't show up?  I definitely would want him another way.  The way that shows up when people (me) pay to see him.  Awesome post, providman.  You pretty much summed up my thoughts exactly.

providman- jeff tweedy ? not bad but apples and fuckin oranges; wtf are you doing on a gnr forum if you think AXL can only dream about making a brilliant album ?

AFD and UYI was all good! Maybe he could put out a redord and tour anytime "soon"? Other respect for all human beings

Hey man, as far as I'm concerned, good music is good music. I think that if axl had written a song like "Poor Places" , "Misunderstood", "Radio Cures", or even "Spiders(Kidsmoke)" & then played them on that "tour" of his a few years ago, all these axl fans would have been praising him to the high heavens for being so original, so daring, & so different from everything else that is out there. And rightfully so. I don't think Axl has it in him to create that type of original creative music.

I also think it's becoming more & more apparant as the weeks, months, years, & decades pass that if axl was capable of creating a masterpiece at least as good as his earlier work, we would have seen it by now. Don't get me wrong - Madagascar, the Blues, IRS - they all sound like good songs but hardly the inspired works of genius, IMO,? so many people think they are, & songs like CD, Silkworms, Rhiad are just average at best, IMO.

To tell you the truth, I have been so turned off by axl's actions & un-action(is that a word?) since he started this "comeback" of his, I keep coming to these board just to get the inevitable news, which I believe will come sooner or later, that the whole thing is over. I think axl will probably be dropped from his label, & then he will get sued for the money Geffen/Santuary/whoever paid him for failure to live up to his contract. That's my opinion. 

Ya know what, I FUCKING respect Axl in every way. For ALL the reasons that ARC said and more!! All you haters should be ashamed of yourselves! What right do you have to slate him for not putting the album out when you're the ones saying its probably gunna be shit knowing FULL well that he has self-esteem issues.

Many of you may not realize this, but people with self-esteem issues often disguise it by acting in a way that to YOU seemz arrogant or with an air of self-importance.

So you people calling him arrogant, FUCK YOU you ignorant motherfucker! :rant: >:(

I respect Axl for the albums he has helped create and songs he has written. No, I do not think he owes his fans anything, he has given them so much. However, over the past few years, my "faith" in Axl has declined. "See you next summer" "nearly complete"...We've all heard these things in 2002 and even years before that. I am no musician, but if I was given an almost endless supply of money to work on an enourmous project (in music or not), I feel that I could pull it together within five to seven years. Maybe you feel like that is a pretty arrogant statement, but if you actually stop and think, I think you'll realize how long seven years is...Think of how much you have done in the past seven years of your life.

Now, does Axl have mental issues? Yes, I believe so. But I don't understand how that excuses him for not releasing the album yet. "He's a perfectionist, it has to be perfect, it has to be in his eyes the best album he has ever done."
Chinese Democracy will never be perfect because everyone has different tastes and opinions. However, I feel that the increasing amount money and time poured into this album is only increasing the expectations for it to be something amazing. Axl must know this, and even though "Axl Rose is clearly not compromising his vision or art," he must still want to succeed with this album.

I feel that Axl is really digging himself in a deep hole as each day and rumor passes. If this album ever comes out, I feel that Axl will face scrutiny reguardless of how well the album does. "Why did this take you so long, why isn't this better, etc?"

Axl Rose is not only a rockstar, but a frontman. We all analyze and talk about him daily...these are things that come with being a celebrity. Call me an asshole if you'd like, but your only kidding yourself if you don't think that being in the spotlight has a terrible dark side.

So, with that people said, it's up to Axl Rose and Axl Rose alone to shut me and everyone else up who has doubted him over the past few years.

It he doesn't, I'll still love his music that he has released.

very true, man.  : ok: though i do like to bust on my Axl from time to time, you can't beat his efforts for trying to bury the likes of AFD and UYI and trying to start something new.  :peace:

Respect!

Skinny Girl, there is a difference between wanting to fuck Axl and respecting him.  Get a grip. 

That is such an insensitive thing to post about someone.










Bravo. :beer:

Respect!
You are the one with a poor grip. Everyone must have respect.

I may want to fuck him, but I wouldn't fuck someone I didn't respect! And besides, my name isn't "Skinny Girl" its SKYNYRD Girl! >:(

So leave me the fuck alone! And don't you DARE tell me to get a grip!! How fucking dare you! :rant: You don't even know me, so don't make stupid assumptions about me not having a healthy grip on life cuz you're just making an ass of yourself! >:(

Skinny Girl, so you respect him but would he respect you in the morning?  Probably not, especially with your little potty mouth. By the way, your response reinforces my previous statement, get a grip or chickety check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Ok, enough of that...



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I respect him for the music he did from 85-93, but since than, what's there to respect him for?

how about, not bending over for anyone, doing exactly what he wants when he wants, working with some of the best mucicians in the worl, working with some of the best producers in the world, living a privete life and not selling his ass to the media or to the "fans". Thats basically everyones dream and he's living it. i think thats worth respecting, don't you?

to bad you don't get your needs fullfilled, the good thing about that is that Axl doesn't give a flyin' fuck so he will not compromise no matter what. he's probobly laughing at you for even opening you mouth, as if you would have anything relevant to ad to the situation.

you even bitch about the mans looks, what the fuck is up with that lol? the man isn't in his 20's anymore, get over it. and you obviousely haven't heard much from the 02 shows because the guy can sing better than anyone, "his voice is weak" yeah right...

"it's not the GnR I used to know and love thats for sure" which is the whole point and it always have been, it's called development or something, i thank god for stearing Axl away from doing another appetite. thats one of the brilliant aspects about gn'r, none of the records sound like eachother...

I could give a shit about Axl's interactions with the fans, media, studios, producers, et all :rant:

Yeah, I did hear the 2002 shows and yeah his voice was weak and whiny :rant: It's not like he can complain that he's been touring the last few years and his voice needed a res, it had been resting for 9 years :hihi: 

As for his new music that that you thank god for Axl steering away from another Appetite?? the best rock album in the last 20 years?  for the shit I heard from the 2002 tour?  man, you got your head soooooo far up Axl's ass that it would be difficult to determine where Axl ened and you began.......go get your blow-up doll of Axl and give it some oral pleasure b/c he needs you

As for the world class musicians he's playing with.....in your eyes only......

all of you axl bashing mother fuckers have no right to call yourselves GNR fans.  You are pathetic, and you have nothing better to do than trash the frontman of the band you are supposedly a fan of.

all of you axl bashing mother fuckers can suck my dick!  None of you deserve a damn thing from Axl.  he doesn't owe you a goddamn thing.  He is a fucking human being just like you or I and he has the right to do whatever he wishes to do with his life.  If he never releases CD or he never tours again, he hasn't shortchanged you not one fucking cent. 

fuck all of you fuckers who bash the man who brought you GNR.

Jesus, calm down.

I agree with you on some points.

But I also disrespect him for some stuff. No, a lot of stuff he have done over the years but that's in the past so I don't care about it so much anymore.

But there is one thing that still bugs me. On the GN'R/Metallica tour in Montreal, the riot show where James Hetfield got burnt by a huge pyro-flame. Axl said he went off stage because of throat problems but according to Jason Newsted on the Metallica - behind the music, Axl sat in his dressing room and drank champagne and smoked when he had went off stage! That's the thing that still dissapoint me the most.

Posts like this are the exact reason why this worthless thread should be locked.  Debating different opinions is one thing, telling someone to "suck your dick" is just outright immature and wrong.  Do everyone a favor and quit posting.

Jim Bob, I don't bash the man who brought us GNR, I bash the man that has destroyed GNR.  What was once a real band is now nothing more than an Urban Myth.  Also, you are not Axl so leave the childish rants to him.  Fuck Axl and fuck you too.

Hell yeah, gild.  What is there to respect about Axl musically anymore?  If you want to respect him as a shut-in then go ahead.  He's damn sure great at being a hermit.  But musically, I have no respect for someone who was once as great as Axl and then totally stops doing what they supposedly love to do.  I have respect for artists who have the balls to release their work.  To me, Axl is a quiter.  He put the idea of CD out there, and hyped it up like crazy.  Now he has to deliver.  If he simply would've stayed out of the limelight after the original band broke up it would be different.  But once he started the idea of a new album that all changed.  And once he went on tour and made his grand return at the VMAs, it completely changed.  If he was all about keeping a low profile he would never have made that appearance.  You can't have it both ways.  Its either put up or shut the fuck up and go away.  I hope he chooses the first option, but I doubt he will.