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Hi everyone, how are you doing?

? ? This thread is about sharing your opinion about Scott Weiland, but in 3 moments of his life:

Moments:

1.- When he was in Stone Temple Pilots.
2.- When he was declared the vocalist of the supergroup VR.
3.- Now that one album has been released and a second one is coming, lots of concerts (specially "Live 8") and statements.

Opinions:

1.- I didnt really care about the guy, but I liked some of STP songs such as "Interstate love song."
2.- I thought that he didnt really fit with the aspirations and talent of the other guys. But I gave him a chance.
3.- After all the things that happened in all of this time, and specially after watching the Show Live 8, nowadays I can tell you that I admire the man, the frontman has won my admiration and Im waiting for the new VR album. I also realised that the man, has interesting political thoughts and some interesting poetry that not a lot of people is aware about it but its really outstanding.

I respect him but I'm still waiting for a GNR reunion. Dont underrate those guys and their skills, they are certainly going to overwhelm us all. That's all dudes take care and have fun.

Wish me luck down on the farm....


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1. surprisingly wasn't too familar with STP, didn't think much of the group (now i am a HUGE fan)
2. wow this could be cool
3. holy shit he is a great frontman, period. i also saw him live, he can work a crowd like no other, his stage presence is right up there with the best of them

Weiland is a great frontman, that's it.  :yes:

The same for me, I started listening to STP only after Contraband came out.

Moments:

1.- When he was in Stone Temple Pilots.

I'd heard of the band but nothing by them so i had no opinion of him then.....

2.- When he was declared the vocalist of the supergroup VR.

I thought fuck who's this muppet what didn't you get Sebastian Bach, you bastards!!!

3.- Now that one album has been released and a second one is coming, lots of concerts (specially "Live 8") and statements.

I think he's a good frontman, the music and him has grown on me, when i saw them live my opinion of him shot through the roof i think he's really good live, a lot better than he is on the album.  I now look forward to his contribution on the new VR record....

I happened to have listened to STP's first album before contraband so i was aware he was from a good group.

Yes when i went to see VR he was great.

1. I did know the name Stone Temple Pilots but that was about everything I knew. I didn't even know the name Scott Weiland.

2. Oke, who's this guy that's gonna play with half of GNR? Looked up some info about him but wasn't very fond of him.  But still wanted to give him a chance and after hearing Set Me Free I was enthousiastic about him.

3. Nice album, Scott surprised me with his vocal range live and his attitude towards all things happening. I still think he leans a bit too much on 60's/70's icons image. But I am looking forward to the new album and hope it's less grunge and more old-skool RnR.

1. I knew who they were but hadn't heard any music by them

2. Recognized the name, but thought "heck, new things from Slash and co, im cool with that.

3. After seeing VR live, really got into him and bought some STP. Now probably one of the best frontmen about.

I have always been a stp fan, they were quite big in the usa so I was happy with their pic.. I was only worried about his past.. The man is a great showman and really gets the crowd going... I am happy with the choice and glad the mates helped him clean up his act..

I was a big STP fan before VR. When I found out they got Scott, with all the shitty names that were being thrown around I literally jumped off my seat!

I've always loved Scott Weiland, just because he's so different and not afraid to be that.  I was blown away when I found out about VR, and that it was 3/5 GnR and led by Scott.  Who else could they have gotten to pull it off? 

Yeah, this is pretty much how I was!

After seeing VR twice in Sydney early this year any doubts I might've had as him as a frontman were laid to rest. He definitely knows how to command a crowd.

1.  Thought he was unbelievable in STP and had all their albums.  Didn't really know much about him personally and didn't follow him cause I didn't have Internet.

2.  Was excited as fuck.  In one hand I had hoped for a nobody just so there wouldn't be such a "supergroup" label but it turned out alright.  I guess selfishly from a GNR standpoint I also wanted people to notice Slash and Duff more. 

3.  Sort of dissappointed in Scott.  There are some good harmonies on Contraband but lyrically I couldn't connect with him anymore.  When I first heard DIFTK I was like, "are we in fifth grade song writing class".  I agree less is more sometimes, but how many words are there in FTP?  like 7 or 8?  LTA is cool but how many times did he have to say "i'm moving on".  Same can be said with BM. 

Saw him live twice and he was absolutely fantastic, but I just wished he would have put more thought and meaning into his writing on the album. 

And something that's also dissappointed me in Scott since Contraband are some of his statements.  How many times did he say he wasn't going to stoop to the press' level, then only to call them a bunch of 'fucking mosquitoes' or some shit like that in a reply.  Also, when he started campaigning during the last USA election for whoever was a big turnoff for me.  I guess I'm a big believer in music should be an escape from politics and some bands do it (U2) and that's fine, but I don't want every band doing.  Especially not a self-proclaimed "dangerous rock n' roll band". 

1. I always liked STP. They weren't my favorite but I have a few CD's... I really like Core and Tiny Music... I actually saw the Tiny Music tour back in 96 and it was one of the most amazing shows that I have ever seen. I remember thinking how much of an amazing frontman Scott was and I hadn't seen anything like him since the Gn'R and Axl...

2) I was pumped when VR picked him. I was sooo worried they were gonna pick some 80's butt rocker and teh whole thing would end up a joke..

3) After all is said and done... I think Scott was alot cooler in STP.  I dunno, maybe it is the dumb hat and outfit he always wears on stage... I actually think the bands image is kinda lame with all the big leather jackets and shit... But I think Contraband could have been terrible without Scott... The reason I say this is because he is the only one that really stands out and shines on the album... Great voice, great lyrics, great frontman...

Can't wait to see what he has in store for the next record....

I personally don't care for him.  Firstly, I think he's an asshole.  I was never a huge STP fan, they're ok but not great.  I think his lyric writing leaves a lot to be desired.  All in all I think he a prick weirdo.  That being said he's a good live performer.

1. I would only have been real young when STP were in they're prime, and even so they weren't very big over here anyways. But when I heard it was him to be picked for VR I checked STP out and loved them.

2. Didn't really know who he was but as I said checked out STP and became very excited about him being the singer in VR.

3. Absolutely adore his work, one of the best RnR frontmen of all time, seen him live and was hugely impressed, can't wait to see what he produces for the next album.

1. Been an STP fan for years, loved that band.
2. Very happy.
3. Love Contraband, can't wait for the new one.

I have alot of respect for Scott and STP. Remember, STP carried the rock scene in the mid 90's while GNR were in hibernation. That alone deserves respect. Also, Core is one of the best albums of the 90's.

1- I was a huge STP fan. A very underrated band and lead singer. His lyrics, though most of the time didn't make sense, were different. The song melodies amazing. Great voice and an incredible stage performer.

2.- I liked the idea when he joined Slash and the boys. I was looking forward to it and very excited about VR.

3.- Everything changed. Contraband songs are average. Lyricwise I felt very dissapointed. A 24 yeard old wanna be rock star could've wrote Contraband. Also, he seemed to believe the whole world was against him and in every interveiw I read of him, he always said how much pressure the press put on him and how he hated the media blah, blah, blah...

I'm looking forward the next VR album to see how different Weiland is gonna sound. I believe the "Contraband" Weiland was not sincere. Maybe next album will see different.

Seen him twice with STP, once with VR.  The man never ceases to amaze me.  If you look at the progression he took with STP, you'll notice that every album he sounds different.   So I'm excited about what he will bring to the table on the next VR album.

Showbiz, a great album by a great band Muse. (Shuffle's avatar)

Not trying to threadjack, but yea they're awesome.  New album on the way next Spring as well! 

Contraband left a little to be desired but you have to remember they were barely a band when they recorded it! half the songs were already written,. Now they have chemistry after touring for so long. They know each others strenghts. And besides they wanted to put out a straight forward debut rock n roll album and establish that they are a rock n roll band. Expect better production, longer solos, better lyrics and an evolved VR sound. You won't be able to tell that these guys came from gnr and stp just watch! they have developed their own sound and that my friends is exciting!

1. When he was in Stone Temple Pilots I thought he was awesome. I loved his vocals with that group. That was the era of grunge, but in my opinion, he brought a heavier rock vibe to the mix. They had great songs and were a great band.

2. I think he was the best choice for VR. He has a lot of energy and edge to give the band an element of excitement. I also thought it was cool how he changed his singing voice for this record. When I heard Contraband for the first time, it didn't even sound like the same guy from STP. He's more melodic, but still edgy, which is a good balance.

3. Contraband is an excellent album. I saw them in concert earlier this year and it was a lot of fun. I can't wait for the next album and tour.

That's my exact opinion on the matter (except the very start I really enjoyed Contraband!!), since the guys are now an established unit and know each other's strengths and weaknesses, they should really be able to pull off something special.

You hit it in the nail, that's how I feel, Scott is not really scott on contraband, he wanted to fit in with the other guys so he created the persona of a troubled rock n roll star = not very sincere s an image

HOPE THE NEXT ALBUM WILL BE BETTER

Maybe the losing of the drug habit is what's changed Scott's approach to writing. He is fuelled by different inspirations?

No offense, but that might be one of the most ill informed statements made in these parts in a while.

Scott was the poster child for "troubled rock n roll star" during the recording of Contraband, no need to conjure any false persona to "fit in".

Not liking the album is your opinion, but accusations of insincerity are a bit much...

Maybe drugs made him more creative? ?Its sounds bad, but when Aerosmith was loaded, they were much better then when they got sober.

Falcon, if you listen to the STP albums you'll notice a totally different pattern lyricwise. Weiland is a brilliant lyricist (this is when I do find sense to some of his lyrics) but in Contraband, there's no originality. The songs are about what you expect from a regular rock and roll band's singer. Him Vs the world. There's a few execptions like You got no right and loving the alien, but I miss the brilliance of "Tiny Music" and "Purple". Does that make him insincere? WEll, it depends how you look at it, but, it sure makes you wonder...

Bazing ! : ok:

That's a matter of opinion.


At that point in his life, Him vs. The World was probably an accurate portrayal of how he felt as a man in the throws of addiction and subsequent rehab/recovery.


I look at it from an artists' perspective.? Generally speaking, a lyricist will write about things affecting his life during a specific period of time, I think Scott's work on Contraband reflects just that.

yeah, but scott had been an addict since 94 and had already been through tumultuous times before -many times-....and never acted the way he did on contraband  :P

the whole thing just sounds a bit faked to me, and to other people as well it seems.

So??

Sounds to me you just didn't relate to his lyrical content on Contraband and are justifying that by questioning his motives/inspiration.

Getting warm?


Opinions vary...

So you think Pump and Get A Grip were bad albums?

Guys honestly I didnt relate to the lyrics either, but I love the album.

Such lyirical content you ar referring to is what makes you wonder...let me explain. For me, songs like "Falling to pieces" and "You got no right" are very sincere and honest due to the fact that he's talking about his personal relationship with his wife. As we all know, at the time, Scott was separated from his wife and those songs come accross as being honest. Truth is though, there a billion songs about break ups but those songs do sound honest and sincere.

The other songs we are referring to sound like he's trying to fit somebody else's shoes. To me, sounds like he's gotta fit in lyrically now that he's on the spot with Velvet Revolver. With STP it was more like his band, a very successful band, but they never created the hype Velvet Revolver did before they release the album. His new ship had a very different crew this time, Slash, Duff and Matt. I'm not saying them three are/were better than the De leo brothers, but sure they are more well known and controversial.? This makes me wonder if Scott wanted to fit in lyrically with his new band. A band with former members of one of the most acclaimed and critized bands ever in the history of music, and a record of "bad" relationships with the media.

Just my .02

He's a good (read: good but not great) frontman. I met him once, briefly, and he seemed a bit aloof. But then, plenty of people say that about Axl...

1.  I loved STP (one of my top 10 bands) and felt that Scott was an amazing singer.  He can do so many different things with his voice and he just takes total command of a songs.

2.  When he was chosen I had mixed feelings, I knew he was a great singer, but I couldn't imagine his style clashing with Slash and Duff's very well.

3.  I liked Contraband, I think it could have been better tho.  I think Scott did a good job, but it wasn't his best work.  I think with more time togeather tho their next album will be much better than Contraband.  Scott's never let me down before (well he pushed it on Tiny Muisc..), and I have no reason to think he will in the future.

hearinf him on CD doesn' do him justice after seeing him live twice

I do.. Aerosmith is by far my favorite band of all time... But I do not like Get A Grip, Pump or Just Push Play... Those are the only 3 out of their entire catalog that I do not like...

jUST PUSH PLAY has an excellent song,  Far away FROM HERe, I think its the title, It reminds me of a sweet lady's voice who I used to talk to, and I fell in love back then. Now I dont know where she is, but I hope she is not too far away from me...

Oh my god, that is one of the worst Aerosmith songs ever and an embarrasment to Aerosmith fans.. The band didn't even write one note of the song either...

Well man, Im not really an Aerosmith fan, but I liked that song,  I think I liked it even more because the girl used to sing it, you know love makes miracles.

Yes, Pump and Get a Grip are good, but don't even come close to Rocks, Toys in the Attic, or anything else from that era. 

I wanted Izzy and Duff to sing, but sadly Dizzy Reed was right when he said that Izzy would probably leave after a few weeks.  :'(

Dizzy Reed actually said that?

Yes if I remember correctly as I think I do, he said that. But couldnt find any source for it, I searched for it fast at mygnr.com on the 2003 news.