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I for one am slightly optimistic

I hope so, I really do.  I'm not expecting it, but it would be such a great surprise.  In many ways it makes sense, but then there were a lot of occasions where it would make sense in the past.  I can't see how there could be a two-disc set of GN'R songs when they had so few albums.  People mentioned that they could have unreleased songs of the band from the past, but is that really "the best of guns n' roses"?

"I guess we'll have to wait and seeeeeeeeee"  ;D

Yeh me too.

I don't know much about the industry but I still don't see how you can release two greatest hits packages within in the space of 18 months. Makes no sense to me personally. I think it is CD or it is a teaser for CD for may 2006

No Chance at all...

i think there is a chance that it might be CD. But i dont wanna bet my but on it! Lets wait and see. There sure is something strange about this release. Yes!

if it is a greatist hits, will there be any more lawsuits filed by duff n slash?

It's not CD.  But I do feel optimistic that in 06 we will see CD.  The fact that  there are multiple rumors, ie Merck telling Ross Halfin that CD is complete, makes me believe that CD will be in my hands sometime next year.  But this new GH compilation I feel is just that, a new GH compilation.

Who knows I think it would all make more sense if it were CD because why release another GH collection so soon? I don't know maybe Geffen is just plain out making a bad business move

Might as well go with the CD-disguised-as-GH theory. How many times were we told this year that the album is done. Combine that with a GH already out and (IMO) a very odd silence from Mysteron. It's as plausible as anything else at this point. I think it's actually more plausible than GH II.... although I'd be really curious to see the tracklisting they'd come up with.

I'd like to think its Axl's new band with there versions of old songs : ok: then in 06 they release Chinese Democracy : ok:

The reason you dont hear anything from Mysteron is because there's the small chance it could go either way. If he confirms its the GH2, but it ends up being CD, he loses credibility. If he says its CD and it ends up GH2, same thing. You'll hear from Mysteron, but AFTER things have settled down. You will NEVER hear from one of these people "in the know" when there is really something happening. You only hear from them when the smoke has cleared.

I doubt it. Why would they release Chinese Democracy on 12/20? Why not wait 'till the spring? Or release it sooner, in time for x-mass? Also, 12/20 is just over a month away, wouldn't a single have been sent out by now?

Good theory that. Dont see why they are bringing out a GH 2 for. Didnt buy the first one and wont buy this if its GH 2.

And whoever said it could be the new band with their versions of the old songs, i hope it isint that either. And when was the last time Geffen actually said anything about guns and new stuff coming out. ?

And why not 20th december, it would be the biggest x mass present ever.

If he does know anything... and I'm not saying he does... he'd do well to keep his mouth shut about it. If he's a confidant of anyone in the Sanctuary/Uni/GNR realm, and for the sake of argument does actually know of a surprise release, how dumb would he have to be to talk about it here?

Any way, take him out of it. This being a situation of virtually no significance, I'll still throw down with this theory. What's there to lose. If it doesn't come out, or it's actually GH II, it's not going to change my world too much. I've dealt with letdown scenario since UYI.

NO WAY!  I am willing to bet $$$$$$$ on it, any takers? :hihi:

Maybe I shouldn't have specified Mysteron. ?He's just high profile so his name came to mind. I meant any of the people who come here occasionally and act like they know something. Some guys come here, spew alot of shit, talk about all their "contacts", but when its "crunch time" they are nowhere to be found. There's several people who do that here and at the other forums. I didn't mean to "whine" about Mysteron. I was talking about everyone that comes here and spews insider shit.

to me, the best of disc actually being the new album doesn't make sense at all.  i could see a pretty small band doing something like this perhaps but not GNR and Axl who have a LOT riding on this project!!!

Since Axl said in 02 theres over 70 songs, and we heard from Dizzy that theres three CD's of material, and Tommy expects GNR news soon, I think the "Best of" title could be a cover of CD because the GNR today is the new band, and maybe its the "Best of" GNR material from the new band.  So I would not be surprised if it actually turned out to be CD, which would be awesome.  The only thing that I am not so sure about is Richard saying in 2006, now if the "Best of" album gets delayed but officially announced for release lets say in Jan or Feb, the I think it has a real chance of being CD. Only time will tell.

i think there there is a very low probability that it is a cover up for CD...Hopefully we will get one or 2 new trcks though.. it makes zero sense for the record company to release a double album of old material... i'm really hoping for the blues and maddy... but am pretty sure that we will be dissapointed

I think its a weird situation, but the odds of them releasing chinese democracy like this are slim to none.

I would say definately no. But i really want to be wrong.

 ?Maybe there disguising CD with calling it Best of GnR for the time being, due to the fact that axl could back out and postpone it. ?Which would piss everyone off. ? If this Greatest hits thing got postponed nobody is gonna be actually pissed off about it. U get what im sayin?

What else could they possibly add to a GH? They pretty much had every hit on the first greatest hits, and that'd be stupid to just release the same songs plus about 5 more. To me it would make more sense if GH2 was actually chinese democracy... but there's about a one in a million that would happen...

its also called   Best of gnr     and in my opinion they have alot more songs that are better than half the songs that were on the original greatest hits.   But fact is i dont give a shit about the first or second one,  cause I already have there albums,  y would anyone wanna buy that shit if you already have there all there songs.  So lets hope this is actually CD, and that johan is right about cather in the rye, and if that single drops like he says it may,  I bet a million dollars DEC 20 is Chinese Democracy.

I dont know much about the music industry but isnt it stupid to release it only four days before christmas eve?
Many people are finished buying gifts by that time so I would rather release it one week earlier.
If they release it on 20th december its only gonna be "out there" 3 and a half days before christmas.
Am I just being stupid?

A CD release 5 days before Xmas doesn't  make much sense, but has anything in the world of GN'R made sense lately.

No. I would like to see CD promoted the right way, not masquerading as some other release...

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say 'yes'.

I have a good feeling about this

CD doesnt need much promotion - it will be a momentum gaining type marketing strategy, not a bombastic, cash grab type affair. Longevity and word of mouth. Strong reviews, underwhelming initial exposure.

I could be wrong, but it makes no sense to release a B/O in this manner (not saying it doesnt make sense per se, but why wouldnt a B/O be timed, as they generally are, to reap the benefits of the Christmas rush?)

On the other hand, it makes perfect sense to disguise it as something else - a) for reasons pertaining to piracy and b) to continue in the 'surprise/secretive' vein that this project and GNR projects in the past have subscribed to.

I really dont know what to believe...

But it doesnt make sense to release a GH2 or CD the 20 dec....

 :rofl:

Dream on....

Johan said 8th december to coincide with 25th anniversary of Lennons death.

The link here is the killer dropped a copy of the book "The catcher in the rye"

Never say Never, where Guns N Roses are concerned! Thats my opinion! We will all find out sooner enough! Mike

Yeh totally agree. Expect the unexpected.

However, I don't think this release date is set in stone as the amazon listing took me a while to find. Normally, with new pre-order releases they are at the top of the list when you search for the band.

I typed in Welcome to the jungle and a lot of tributes came up before i found the actual guns CD  :no: :nervous:

I keep my fingers crossed...

if it really was chinese democracy then dont you reckon something would have been leaked!

Four words: no way in hell. :)

 I want to believe ! I want to believe it's Chinese Democracy, don't know if it's going to happen on december 20th but I think n hope 'soon' is really the word these days n no I don't think that we'll see both of them in short period of time - for that it's for sure 'no way in hell' !

The release date is a commercial suicide either for GH2 or CD. It'd be good if the double album was CD and the 'ten extra songs', but there will be no new Guns N' Roses album without a single first. (Considering that they have brain.)

This is just guesswork but If Axl signed a 20 year contract with Geffen in 1986 then I guess it would run out on December 31st 2005. 

I doubt he would renew his contract with them after the Greatest Hits fiasco and the lawsuit which followed.  I suspect Axl is withholding CD until his contract expires.  I know Geffen funded CD but maybe Axl probably found some legal loophole allowing him to release it with another company or maybe he will simply reimburse them.

So what Geffen/Universal are doing is actually quite smart from their point of view.  They just want to make money by any means necessary, even releasing another Greatest Hits/Best Of album days before their contract with Axl runs out.  They do not care how tacky they look.

Remember Axl said that releasing Greatest Hits would only delay Chinese Democracy further.  Well what he might have meant was he is going to wait for his contract to expire, find a new record company and release it with them.

This is just my personal opinion.  Now feel free to rip it to shreads.

I dont think Axl has a 20 years contract.
I am not sure but I believe he has a contract that states that he must release a certain number of cd`s before the contract expires.

I wonder what the record contract says about compilations. Can Geffen keep releasing "best of" compilations for as long as they wish or does the contract state "one compilation".....

From what I know, usually contracts say "one best of and one live album" or something similar?

Look at one of my other favorite bands (Pearl Jam). They were signed to Sony and released a live album in 1998 as well as a Greatest Hits in 2004 (which fullfilled the contract as far as I know).



/jarmo

I think something definately weird is going on. I'm of the opinion that "WTTJ: The Very Best of GnR" is what Axl, Slash & Duff wanted GH to be.....

I've also thought that maybe this was Slash and Duff's GH. Since Axl owns the new and future GnR and S&D want to own the back catalogue we may have 2 separate entities releasing material under the name Guns N Roses ??? That is solely the reason I don't fully understand the Court Case. There can be only one GnR!!!! Having 2 would be just too fucked up.

CD won't come out next month because it is coming out in early 2006.
the band hopes so. I believe what the band members say more than anything.

GN'R is in now. they (the label) can't miss this golden opportunity.
With a single surfacing and an announcement of CD release, any GNR release will make a big-time sales.

How about
disc 1 selections from the old and its unreleased takes, remixed (without the approval of the band)
disc 2 rerecord old songs by the new band (without the approval of the band)

and a reissue of the previous GH in Jan...
a perfect set (without the approval of the band).

Neemo, that's pretty fucken close to the truth, I can't believe this myself, we'll be paralyzed when the day comes :o

One of the best songs ever recorded. pediod.

one of the cheesiest songs ever recorded pediod

One of the best topic changes ever posted. period.

A month ago Universal Music Norway said GH2 in march 2006, and at the same time Richard said in his e-mails that CD would probably come out early '06... Universal was just reporting info they've gotten from the label (the cd being a GH), but Richard knew that the next release of Guns N' Roses would be Chinese Democracy.

Now, the whole thing has a release date (Dec. 20), but it's still called GH (well, "best of"). Hmm, I think there's a slight possibility that this ain't no "best of..."

So if somehow, some way CD arrives exactly a month from today ... what do we then think of Merck saying 2005 will be there year of GNR back in March?

Like I said, Merck KNOWS about our frustation, the frustation of the fans... so, him saying "2005 will be the year of GNR" lead me to think that he isn?t making "fun" of us... like "yeah, will be the year of GNR... BEST OF in your ass motherfuckers!!!"  :-X
so... yeah, I think he said that based in something "cool" and plans were to release it at the end of the year.... soooo .........  :-X ( I?m trying my best to not believe that is CD in disguise... couse I agreed with some of the posts, that IF the CD is ready to be release, the label will be HAPPY to annouce the news... but I don?t know what to think anymore )

No way it's CD...but what material IS on it could be interesting.....maybe some live tracks of the nuGnr?

I think, if GH2 or "anything else" are going to happen, we will hear something by next week...

is this question serious ?
i mean ... come on ....

I had hoped so, but no, it's not going to be CD  :'(

You want proof it won't be CD and there won't be any "new GN'R" on GH2? Read Halfin's comment on his site about Slash thinking Axl's tracklisting for GH2 is good. (check the main topic about GH2, page 47 I believe - there you go: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=23764.msg418578#msg418578)

Case closed.

Thats true WILL  : ok:  ,but why does it keep spelling Axl AXEL?? its weird.. ???

something is very weird about the amazon listing for WTTJ, no track list, no label, and nothing official from anyone.  CD is very wishful thinking right now

Imagine the look on your face if this pretty funny(and farfetched) rumour came true :hihi:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a378/vimalakirti/War-YAH.jpg)

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(i know i used this picture in another thread but it's just too damn good)

It's very easy to make a GNR GH double disc.  Just look at Live Era.  I think this set could look something like this:
Disc 1
1.Welcome To The Jungle
2.Sweet Child O' Mine
3.Paradise City
4.Patience
5.You Could Be Mine
6.Don't Cry
7.Live And Let Die
8.November Rain
9.Yesterdays
10.The Garden
11.Dead Horse
12.Garden Of Eden
13.Estranged
14.Since I Don't Have You

Disc 2
1.Reckless Life
2.Move To The City
3.It's So Easy
4.Nightrain
5.Out Ta Get Me
6.Mr. Brownstone
7.My Michelle
8.Rocket Queen
9.You're Crazy (GN'R Lies Version)
10.One In A Million
11.Civil War
12.Knockin' On Heaven's Door
13.Right Next Door To Hell
14.Don't Cry (Alt. Lyrics)
15.Ain't It Fun
16.Sympathy For The Devil

There's 2 80 minutes discs worth, and it's still missing Locomotive, Pretty Tied Up, Braeakdown, Black Leather, etc...  So a greatest hits is very possible, but that will be awesome if it's Chinese.  Go Axl.

Hey the Slash interview cancelled my hopes. All I can hope for now is an announcement concerning C.D. when they have the WTTJ: BGNR press release...

Or maybe a single new track. Otherwise.. im bummed.  :-\

Haha  Slash gives us the most concrete GNR info in years, and he's been out of the band for ten years!

Thank you!! (my excuses for this little forum rules break  :nervous:)

On topic, I don't think it will be chinese democracy. I had a small hope, but reading the ross halfin thing, almost 99,9 % of my little hope has evaporated.

at first, i thought, or wanted to think that this will be CD, but now, i don't. hopefully 2006 will be the year... ah well...the waiting continues... :-\

No way.

I doubt it will be CD.. but I dont think it would be a stretch to say Axl will include some kind of personal message to the fans in the booklet concerning the release date.. or maybe even include a studio version of one of the '02 tour songs.. (maddy, blues, ect)

Who knows..

you better be right motherfucker, im dependin' on that now!! >:(

I don`t think it is CD but i sure hope so. :yes:

Dont kill me! *runs away* hahaha

No, it's not gonna be CD, but it is strange to release two "best of"-albums in such a short time by a band that released so few albums.

But if/when Chinese Democracy will be released I think I'm going to cry my way from the record store. And just in case, buy two examples just to be sure that nothing will get in my way. To put that thing in my stereo will be something else. It will be a sacred moment.

At first, I thought it was a possibility.

Now, as more information comes to light (the Slash interview, in particular), I think it increasingly unlikely.

Sad but true.  :(

Heaven knows how much concrete it is.


I expect some news about the CD release to come previous to it.

Hoping for a Christmas release of CD is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this forum. That means a lot ! :rofl:

PESSIMIST!!!  Where is the tracklist???

I'd rather see CD early in 06 and a single before Xmas. :-*

If axl does give out a personal message concerning the release date in the booklet, he could manage some kind of riddle ( a la da vinci code) for us......... a sudoku would be nice too. :hihi:

That would be sweet, and I'd like to think we're going to hear 'something' soon. :drool:.