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Title: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: coldenim on November 15, 2005, 05:57:10 PM
With little tidbits of info we have had on the recent speculation of a seemingly possible release of a second album of greatest hits.? Just here of late we have gotten word of a double album of greates hits, confusion lingers in Gn'r roses land, and I have been trying to figure out what in the hell is going on.

Why haven't we heard anything from merck, 2005 was supposed to be the year.? Why is there going to be a double album of greatest hits, does that mean they will take greatest hits one and add the compilation to hits 2.? Why would they do this?? Why haven't the gnr camp uproared at this, and why is there two record companies, saying two different things? So many questions and know answers, Rnt, brave guy, telling Axl to answer all of us fans that are waiting in the wings trying to find answers, but does the iron curtain open, no its remains closed, seemingly for ever.? Could this be a cover up, what are the odds? Gnr go on tour in 2002, make an appearence on national television, and we havent heard from them in three years? is that logical my friend, so why couldnt this be a cover up.? I believe Chinese Democracy will be a double album, because one album is not loud and bold enough to be a strong attention getter, I dont know anymore.

Mysteron can you give us anything , or has your great knowlege been just a footstool in W Axl Rose throne of mystery and wonderment, that haunts us fans, to this day. Could you give us an answer on  this greatest hits album, is it real or false.

This cd is becoming like a government, that keeps its secrets, and keeps them well, away from the people who live in the shadow of it almighty hand, and wonder from day to day when can they know the true agenda of it presence, that lingers here and there spouting off rehashed propaganda, that causes us to be in bondage, of its agonizing dictatorship, that haunts us every day of? our lives.? Okay are you sure we will ever see freedom, will we ever see Axl give up his power to hold the keys and turn it over to a democracy so we shall all be free to hear and listen to just what this tribulation is all about, to be loosened from the power and to reign free, that which is and will someday be a musical freedom from musical oppression,a revolution that will be Chinese Democracy as we don't know it in all its glory or will we the people have to storm the canyon road, in need of freedom from the chains of musical oppression.

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Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: loretian on November 15, 2005, 06:07:40 PM
I don't know if you're right, but I sure enjoyed reading that!? : ok:


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: CAFC Nick on November 15, 2005, 06:31:38 PM
Cool read.

I believe Chinese Democracy will be a double album, because one album is not loud and bold enough to be a strong attention getter, I dont know anymore.

I agree. Its either that or a trilogy as Axl apparently said.

I agree things like Chinese Democracy and Rhiad will be on one, and The Blues etc on the other. Not sure which one Madagascar would be on though. Probably the same one as the Blues because its a pretty subtle song and not really in your face.


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: RichardNixon on November 15, 2005, 06:34:03 PM
I really doubt "Chinese Democracy" will be a double album. Asking fans to shell out 50 percent more money or so, for 2.5 hours of music, after a 15 year wait is just too much.


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: Thorazine Shuffle on November 15, 2005, 06:40:35 PM
Cool read.

I believe Chinese Democracy will be a double album, because one album is not loud and bold enough to be a strong attention getter, I dont know anymore.

I agree. Its either that or a trilogy as Axl apparently said.

I agree things like Chinese Democracy and Rhiad will be on one, and The Blues etc on the other. Not sure which one Madagascar would be on though. Probably the same one as the Blues because its a pretty subtle song and not really in your face.

Hmm, the trilogy speculation... Well, back in the day when Axl said that I thought it would be an awesome idea.  Today though, with the pressure of releasing just one album, I just can't see Axl releasing 1 album with 2 more waiting.  Especially if the first one flops, I can't see Axl staying the course and releasing the other 2, he would just as easily start work and tinker with the other albums some more.


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: misterbrownstone on November 15, 2005, 07:01:07 PM
Cool read.

I believe Chinese Democracy will be a double album, because one album is not loud and bold enough to be a strong attention getter, I dont know anymore.

I agree. Its either that or a trilogy as Axl apparently said.

I agree things like Chinese Democracy and Rhiad will be on one, and The Blues etc on the other. Not sure which one Madagascar would be on though. Probably the same one as the Blues because its a pretty subtle song and not really in your face.

i wouldn't like htat.  foo fighters did it, and it didn't turn out well.  rockers on the one album, acoustic on the second.  not enough variety, and it was boring.  i wouldn't want a rock album and a ballad/epic album.  i want one album.


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: -Jack- on November 15, 2005, 07:35:33 PM
Appetite For Destruction... 1 disk
UYI's... 2 disks...
Chinese Democracy... 3 disks
?????... 4 Disks!

hahaa...


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: kathryn2662 on November 16, 2005, 12:12:03 PM
He's making 3 albums, one will be released and he will go on tour, then the next will be released and so on.  All three are going to be finished before this whole thing starts.  Axl perfects his work to his standards, so times that by 3, it explains the time length a little better.  Unless there are future changes, then it'll be a little different.


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: Thorazine Shuffle on November 16, 2005, 12:23:55 PM
He's making 3 albums, one will be released and he will go on tour, then the next will be released and so on.? All three are going to be finished before this whole thing starts.? Axl perfects his work to his standards, so times that by 3, it explains the time length a little better.? Unless there are future changes, then it'll be a little different.

What you are saying is nothing new.  We learned this over 4 years ago and guess what, things change.  If this was still true, then we would have recieved all the albums by now. 


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: Ax on November 16, 2005, 02:29:50 PM
I hope Axl is not planning on still following the plan of finishing all three albums and then releasing one-touring-releasing another one-touring and then releasing the third one. The reason I hope he doesn't follow this plan is because it will mean that we have to wait longer for all three to be finished in the first place and then knowing Axl after releasing and touring under the first one he will go back and spend another few years making changes to the second album before releasing it so that it will fit in with the state of the music scene at that time.


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: jameslofton29 on November 16, 2005, 09:34:54 PM
He's making 3 albums, one will be released and he will go on tour, then the next will be released and so on.? All three are going to be finished before this whole thing starts.? Axl perfects his work to his standards, so times that by 3, it explains the time length a little better.? Unless there are future changes, then it'll be a little different.
If you wanna know what an optimist is, read the post above. :hihi:


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: Eclipsed107 on November 16, 2005, 10:59:32 PM
The reason GH2 will be 2 discs is because you couldn't fit all the hits/singles onto one album.

No one would buy another GnR: GH if it didn't include the classics (WttJ, SCOM, PC, NR, ect.) so they need to put out a double disc set to gain more sales.

I'd say the chances of this being CD are 2% with a 2% margin of error.

It's just another greatest hits that we'll buy up because we're obsessed morons and the people who missed out on the first disc (want a more expaned collection) will eat up.


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: jameslofton29 on November 16, 2005, 11:39:06 PM
The reason GH2 will be 2 discs is because you couldn't fit all the hits/singles onto one album.

No one would buy another GnR: GH if it didn't include the classics (WttJ, SCOM, PC, NR, ect.) so they need to put out a double disc set to gain more sales.

I'd say the chances of this being CD are 2% with a 2% margin of error.

It's just another greatest hits that we'll buy up because we're obsessed morons and the people who missed out on the first disc (want a more expaned collection) will eat up.
Trust me, you can fit all of GNR's hits on one disc. Its not like they have ten albums worth of material to dig through. It will have the "hits" plus shit like Its So Easy, DTJ,etc.  But nobody who likes GNR really gives a fuck. 99.9% of GNR fans already have the few albums that were released. I guess GH 2 is being marketed to the 00.1% of the fanbase that dont have them. This hits package is a huge mistake. Mark my words. It will be a huge flop.


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: masterdan on November 16, 2005, 11:49:42 PM
With little tidbits of info we have had on the recent speculation of a seemingly possible release of a second album of greatest hits.? Just here of late we have gotten word of a double album of greates hits, confusion lingers in Gn'r roses land, and I have been trying to figure out what in the hell is going on.

Why haven't we heard anything from merck, 2005 was supposed to be the year.?

The answer: Chinese Democracy is a lie.


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: Saul on November 17, 2005, 12:11:26 AM


The answer: Chinese Democracy is a lie.

As is the Jesus Of Suburbia!

Anyways , why in the name of fuck would anyone try and coverup one of the most anticipated hard rock albums of all time in the guise of a greatest hits album?! Seriously , wheres the logic?!

I for one think GH PT2 is just that , and it's coming out for one reason only , to make some money in place of money they had hoped to make by having GNR's Democracy album out by xmas (since seeing democracy this year now seems impossible)

peace gunners.


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: chadj76 on November 17, 2005, 12:16:08 AM


The answer: Chinese Democracy is a lie.


I for one think GH PT2 is just that , and it's coming out for one reason only , to make some money in place of money they had hoped to make by having GNR's Democracy album out by xmas (since seeing democracy this year now seems impossible)

peace gunners.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!  And the "this year" part might even be kind!


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: killingvector on November 17, 2005, 01:24:07 AM
very strange though. Why release this set a year removed from the first GH?  Seems like milking to me, not necessarily recouping. It could be a ploy to get GnR some attention before unloading CD onto us, or perhaps Geffen is milking the last drop out of this wreck before jettisoning Uncle Axl.


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on November 17, 2005, 03:22:08 AM
If they are really doing this they should atleast put ONE new song on the GH package. Madagascar maybe, something.


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: dub05 on November 17, 2005, 09:12:23 AM
For the umpteenth time..........


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: dub05 on November 17, 2005, 09:33:47 AM
Dont be jumping to conclusions you will all know soon enough


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: younggunner on November 17, 2005, 10:11:24 AM
Quote
Dont be jumping to conclusions you will all know soon enough

Well we have jumped into the river
     Too many times to make it home
     we are out here on our own, an drifting all alone
     If it doesn't show give it time
     To read between the lines

We dont need to jump to conclusions. we already know whats going to happen. There is no secret cover up or anything like that. gh2 is what it says it is. SO we dont need to wait and see and hope. We have been thru this before...."They say experience makes you wise"


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: Albert S Miller on November 17, 2005, 12:25:27 PM
IF WE COULD SEE TOMORROW, WHAT OF YOUR PLANS?  WE LIVE EACH DAY IN SORROW, ASK ALL OF YOUR FANS!  TIMES THAT YOU TOOK IN STRIDE, THEY'RE NOW BACK IN DEMAND, SO LONG WE'VE WAITED FOR YOU, YOUR TRUEST OF FANS.  WITH ALL THE PEOPLE TALKIN IT'S DRIVING US MAD, STILL SO LITTLE DO WE KNOW, JUST ANOTHER RUMOR AT HAND.  SO NOBODY EVER TOLD US AXL HOW IT WAS GONNA BE, WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO YOU LATELY, WHERES PART 4 OF THE "TRILOGY" 

JUST  A LITTLE SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN PLAYING AROUND WITH, BUT NEVER FINISHED, THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE IT WITH YOU GUYS, HOPE IT'S IN THE APPROPRIATE SPOT.


                                                       MS AXL 43


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: Thorazine Shuffle on November 17, 2005, 12:32:14 PM
IF WE COULD SEE TOMORROW, WHAT OF YOUR PLANS?? WE LIVE EACH DAY IN SORROW, ASK ALL OF YOUR FANS!? TIMES THAT YOU TOOK IN STRIDE, THEY'RE NOW BACK IN DEMAND, SO LONG WE'VE WAITED FOR YOU, YOUR TRUEST OF FANS.? WITH ALL THE PEOPLE TALKIN IT'S DRIVING US MAD, STILL SO LITTLE DO WE KNOW, JUST ANOTHER RUMOR AT HAND.? SO NOBODY EVER TOLD US AXL HOW IT WAS GONNA BE, WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO YOU LATELY, WHERES PART 4 OF THE "TRILOGY"?

JUST? A LITTLE SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN PLAYING AROUND WITH, BUT NEVER FINISHED, THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE IT WITH YOU GUYS, HOPE IT'S IN THE APPROPRIATE SPOT.


? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?MS AXL 43

The caps button is your friend.  And by reading the above post, sobriety will be your friend too, just accept him. ;)


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: Albert S Miller on November 17, 2005, 01:22:31 PM
to you thorazine shuffle:  first off does it really matter if the caps are on or not, secondly sobriety is my best friend and always will be as i  am not a chemically dependant person, or an alchohol user and never have been, thirdly i accept AXL for who he is come hell or high water, and  last but not least who in the fuck gave you the right to critisize me?   the only guitar god on here is Slash!  Obviously your the  one  in dream land if your such a guitar god then how come the world doesn't know who in the fuck you are asshole!!!!  Maybe you should get your fingers out of your ass and learn how to play guitar and be somebody that counts.  Need I say more?


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: gilld1 on November 17, 2005, 01:27:04 PM
Bitter little beeyatch aren't you?  Sobriety your friend, OK.  Sanity, not so much.  How about an original thought instead of paraphrasing Asshole Rose.


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: Thorazine Shuffle on November 17, 2005, 01:35:48 PM
to you thorazine shuffle:? first off does it really matter if the caps are on or not, secondly sobriety is my best friend and always will be as i? am not a chemically dependant person, or an alchohol user and never have been, thirdly i accept AXL for who he is come hell or high water, and? last but not least who in the fuck gave you the right to critisize me?? ?the only guitar god on here is Slash!? Obviously your the? one? in dream land if your such a guitar god then how come the world doesn't know who in the fuck you are asshole!!!!? Maybe you should get your fingers out of your ass and learn how to play guitar and be somebody that counts.? Need I say more?


To you msaxl43:


I love you too.   :-*



Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: Elrothiel on November 18, 2005, 10:37:34 AM
 :rofl: Fights are funny! Especially with good comebacks! :ok:

Actually I thought MsAxl43's parody of Don't Cry [alt lyrics] was funny as hell and straight to the point! Just because it was typed all in caps doesn't mean that she was drunk at the time! :hihi: More like she just wanted you guys to read it! Is that such a crime!? :confused:

Everyone has something to say! :smoking:


Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: Albert S Miller on November 18, 2005, 05:19:13 PM
good day mr. gilld1!

In response to your reply on  11/17

Bitter - not hardly

Bitch - can be when necessary

Sanity - nice talking to a psychologist!  Where did you get your degree?  My mentality, lets leave that up to me and those who really know me, not some psychoanalisis wannabe.

Paraphrasing - my choice, all done in good fun

Asshole Rose - purely your own speculation,  Yet you may want to ask yourself why your on a site regarding he and his band.

Hoping your own self analisis will help you to answer the above.

Good luck to you

msaxl43

                             




Title: Re: the confusion,the silence, the secret
Post by: jameslofton29 on November 18, 2005, 09:23:44 PM
This needs to be locked. What was an interesting little discussion has turned into a bitchfest.