Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I've been told in the past that a band makes most of it's money off of its concerts, not from the sale of CDS (unless, I guess, you sell millions). Concert tickets, merchandise, etc.
SO - for those of you more knowledgable about these things:
I guess the first thing is, who is going to promote the next tour? ClearChannel clearly won't. Are there other major companies that could put together a world tour for Guns n Roses?
Can a band survive by putting out albums but then only doing a small tour? If Axl really is a timebomb on tour, could a band exsist by putting out an album and then doing like 30-40 shows in the U.S. and maybe going overseas as well? OBVIOUSLY, Axl is a special case as I'm guessing he doesn't need the money. But is it comercially viable to just put out an album, play some dates at the major arenas (MSG) hit some smaller venues and maybe only tour a couple months.  For some reason, I just can't picture our boy going out and touring for a year or 18 months straight.

Oh, you would be surprised how long he would tour for once Chinese Democracy is released.  I feel he will be touring for a long time.  This will be the come back tour of all time.  I feel it.  This will be the tour the whole world will be standing in line to see.  Once Chinese Democracy drops into stores... all hell is going to break loose in the Rock 'n' Roll world.  I see him getting in shape for all that running on stage now.  Oh yes, we will have the CD and a impressive tour, oh yes, it will be there.   :peace:

If there going to tour, i bet it will be a world tour. Axl likes playing all over.

Pun intended?  Just kidding.   :hihi:

WHEN they tour, it'll be fuckin' huge! ?mabye not as big as the UYI tour, but a lot longer than the CD tour a few years back

 :peace:

Hell. ?If he could tour the universe I bet he would be the first to do it.

What the hell would they call the tour? They already used the Chinese Democracy World Tour in 2002.

"For some reason, I just can't picture our boy going out and touring for a year or 18 months straight."

That's because crazy recluses don't just do things like that.. because of everyone's love for axl they believe this man will just do these amazing things.. Same way people think multiple albums will be dropped too.. For one thing axl is a huge risk and the second is the chance of him making each show and not pulling some hissy fit on stage is very low so anyone booking him that long would be a complete idiot

I hope it will be big. really big. Axl is not too old, he can still perform for a long time and be in a great shape. You know, touring for GN'R, and especially Axl, is physically very hard. The man sings and runs for 2 Hours. You need a real physicall preparation, I mean it's like beeing an athlete. Axl is not a guy who just puts himself in front of the microphone, who is static, and sings like Liam Gallagher. Axl is fucking nut onstage. He is everywhere.

I hope we will see a big tour, with a very modern stage (giant screens, lots of lights like U2, plasma screens etc...) in big places like Arenas and Stadiums. I'd like to see the band perform at the new Wembley Stadium!! :peace:

you really are a dreamer, must be nice to live in the clouds... Axl is a recluse that never speaks and keeps out of the public eye ever since gnr broke up, ( if you count the rare apperance over the years as something) What makes you think a man that has been yapping about an album for 6 years is going to just do some monster tour?? Who is going to sponser this accident waiting to happen, what venues want to risk axl not showing up and causing lawsuits when people get injured? The man couldn't do a 3 week tour in his return

I'd rather be a dreamer.

GNR didn't break up, members quit or were fired.

Sponsors: Yeah, after St. Louis and Montreal, it was really tough for people to sponsor the band. If you are capable of making money, people will take a chance on you.

I'll see you at MSG, in the first year and the second, mike.........

hope it happens rain but I am only thinking logically.. Axl rose is many people's fav or rock hero so they automatically throw out common sence and believe what they wish would happen.. Axl is a very talented man, but he also has his own problems so there's nothing that says anything has to happen or this is even such a priority anymore..


it all depens on how you feel about the situation and what gnr is to you.. To me it is axl rose now and that's it., you can only alter something so many times before it goes from something to another thing..

Of course where there is money to be made someone wil try but they also have to think about what can be lost..
I just feel this could go on forever and each year would pass and people would still say keep the dream going and so on, eventually you have to lose some hope and just say it might happen or not..

Ok.

Touring seems to be the only thing keeping  R o bi n  hanging in there.

I believe it will be an actual world tour, beginning and ending in the US.

I think it will start overseas.. That is if it starts

have you heard from robin more than the rest of us? :hihi:

And have you seen a live GnR show lately? :rofl:

Chinese Democracy World Tour in 2006

GnR Soon is the word tour

Coming to an Arena "A Hairs Width Away" from you!!!!! :rofl:

It will be bigger, much bigger..

Stop dreaming.

Who says that he is going to tour in 2006?? didnt we say that about 2005??? 2004, 2003???

2006 Tour will be great  :yes:

Mike makes a very good point that isn't really open to debate. When a person, whether its Axl or a regular person, suffers from mental issues, they dont go from being unable to leave the house to immediately cruising all over the country having a good time. Its a simple fact. I'm not saying a tour is impossible. But if he attempts it, he will have to take "baby steps" if he really wants to be successful. I believe this was the main reason for the 2002 derailment. In 2001 at the HOB, he seemed happy and was obviously enjoying himself. Same thing with Rio, but to a slightly lesser extent, probably because of the attention of the large festival. HOB and Rio were "baby steps", and Axl could handle the situations. But when the 2002 tour started, he was out of his element and actually seemed bitter. And this bitterness came out in no shows, riots, periodic rants about members who are now irrelevant to GNR, walking off stage mid-song, and making promises that he knew he couldnt keep. It was obviously doomed to failure. If he wants to be successful again, he's gonna have to go the HOB and Rio route(other shows too) until he can get used to that type of atmosphere again. If he immediately starts another Chinese Democracy tour, expect a repeat of 2002. :peace:

Well I don't see how he was 'out of his element' playing arena shows after playing to 200,000+ fans at Rio. And 'baby steps'? Playing 200,000+ fans after one 'open rehearsal' warm up show and YEARS out of the public eye takes some courage!!

You have no idea why the tour cancel.. why Axl did those things.. so don't assume Axl couldn't get used to that type of atmosphere etc. It's not 'obviously', it's your opinion/take on things.

You dont seem to understand. Playing one or two shows, regardless of how many people are there, is a completely different thing than the daily grind of a world tour. Of course it took courage to do HOB and Rio. No one is disputing that. But when you go from the internal pressures of HOB and Rio, and then go to the internal AND external pressures of a world tour, you run into major problems. So you want Axl to just 'get in the ring' and immediately start a huge tour? Well, you better buy tickets to one of the first shows if you want to see them.

Of course a tour is a different thing to some one off shows, I agree with you there.

I guess despite of everything, I like to have faith in Axl that a tour when CD is released will be a success.

I want it to be hugely successful also. I'm sure Axl's "inner demons" are wrestling with hopes of redemption. Obviously an album selling millions of copies would be a HUGE step towards that goal, but a successful world tour would guarantee it. I just think he should get his feet wet before jumping in the water. For his sake, and for the fans who never seen him live and pray for the chance. I would like to see him "on top of the world" like the dreamers on this site. But it cant happen the way you guys envision it. He has to slowly adjust to being in the spotlight again, and get used to not only performing on a regular basis, but also get used to constant media attention. The media/paparazzi culture is much different than it was in the early 90's. From the second he comes back he will be under a giant microscope, and he basically has one last shot at redemption. I hope he does it right this time. :peace:

very true bro.. I feel axl needs to be selective and take his time.. The man is out of the lime light for years so taking on a tour with loads of shows just might not be in his best interest today before becoming over whelming.. I think it was smart playing festivals first but not being stuck in some longer term grind of shows..

To anyone thinking logically you would know if the album came out nad axl and company released a year worth of tour dates after being dormant that it would be very difficult to fufill... Not for the band, just axl..

So yes baby steps, wether in front of 20,000 or 150,ooo he should take his time and work himself back into the light..

Who says he is "unable" to leave his house? Ever think maybe just maybe he doesn't want any media attention or anything while he is working on the album? It's pretty damn clear to me why he does the things he does, he just don't want to promote himself or the band yet. If you can't see that then maybe you are a fan of the wrong guy....

Stop nitpicking. You know what I meant. Lets say he drives to 7-11 and buys some chili dogs and a big gulp, it still doesn't disprove my point. Its "pretty damn clear" why he does what he does? Then please enlighten us so we can all stop "speculating". :hihi: