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I'd tend to agree, but I'm not aware of anyone or have heard anything post here on the boards to indicate anyone is expecting or hoping for anything more than a really damn good rock album.

i believe it will make some change, influence alot of muso's n' shit......

im just lookin' foward to a fuckin' awsome album, the tracks i've heard from boots are enough for me ta know this album will give drill anything out there now......ANYTHIN!!!!

I'm not well informed about the matter but I read that he used to help some kind of childcare organization.
And I here he invites kids from underprivileged homes or such on halloweens. Maybe he does lots more good deeds and just doesn't want to publicize them?

you're the first one to bring it up.
we all know axl's dumb and didnt even graduate from middle school :)

 >:( Objection!
The latter statement is rather dumb. being a dropout from high school doesn't mean being a dumb.
I'm struk dumb by the dumb Diplomaism.

einstein wasn't a good student too, and he did pretty well for himself, most of the graduate people i know aren't that inteligent so...  go figur

first of all, Axl doesn't owe anyone anything in terms of content...he can relase whatever he damn well pleases....in any format....he is an artisit, and the music is for himself (unfortuately he is a perfectionist, and has great expectations on himself).

(aside: "madagas." has a political message, not that it matters....) ?Oh, and imo, I prefer his personal songs--more intamate/revealing/expressive....

and regarding him not giving to charity...he is not obligated to give to charity. ?he is not obligated to even speak out/for causes (re: Bono--is he a musician, or an activist...both I figure, but when I like music, I like it for the music....and not necessarily for the message....it's entertainment). ?But just to let you know, he has g'n $$ to children of abuse...it's just that he doesn't make these contributions a big public event. ?And remember, he participated in the Freddie Mercury AIDS awareness concert. ?

Lastly, regarding the "dumb" comment....I always thought Ax was the exception,...that SMART ppl don't always go to university and study...Axl was self-tought. ?He read a lot, and has an exceptional creative mind. ?When he went off to L.A. from Indiana, his parents offered to pay for his tuition, for university. But he declined...and took the unconventional pathway to knowledge.

It definitely wont change the world. I'm sure that isn't Axl's intentions anyway. People who think that are from a different planet. I think its gonna be a much more personal and mature album than people think. Going by some of the lyrics it definitely comes from the heart. There isn't likely to be a political message. If there's a theme, its likely to be love gone wrong, the complexities of fame, and a man unwilling or unable to deal with either of those things.

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JamesLofton29 is correct.  Axl's lyrics deal more with universal emotions:  love, hate, attachment, detachment, heartbreak, violence, peace, etc.

Now, my answer to the original post.  Does anyone really want Axl doing what Bono or Bon Jovi do?  I'm not saying what those other guys do is bad...it's just not Axl.  I have alot of respect for folks who don't publicize their own good deeds.  Honestly, I don't know alot of folks on this board who really think CD is going to change the world.  I have read alot of posts I agree with, that say it's going to be one hell of a good album.   : ok:  I get chills just thinking about buying this album.    :drool:   

Ya and it makes me crazy reading some of the shit people think up, and then have the nerve posting it. Oh well, at least its not a message or someone trying to influnce others into hating Axl. ::) How the fuck do you know what Axl writes off, what, ya working for the IRS. It fans like you who take the fun out of being an artist. You SUCK!  And to say Axl's dumb, You just stuck your (Richard) in your mouth. As far as what Axl writes about......LIFE....LIKE IT OR FUCK OFF  ;D   

Bottom line CD wont have any message or influence because at this rate it doesnt seem like itll ever get released

great post, i fully support it and although i feel that there is no need to demand CD to have messages or to save the world, i don't think axl is a selfish person or that he even has that big of an ego anymore, but also although CD will definately change the face of current rock, there is no need to expect it to change the world. peace 8)

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. Music accomplishes a lot more than just individual amusement. When/if Chinese Democracy is released and Axl returns to the public eye, rock music and its corresponding mentalities will return to the forefront and overtake the commercial pop world our country is living today. In today's society, everyone only does what's safe and, subsequently, artificial. You'll be surprised what happens to a culture when you change its model from Justin Timberlake to Axl Rose. Chinese Democracy is perhaps the last chance for rock to reclaim the music throne for a very long time. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather live in a culture dominated by GN'R than the one we're experiencing now.

Carlos GMS, Grade wise you get an A,  for contradicting yourself, but to anticipate great things out of something thats not here yet, and cast down upon,  I'm disappointed. No big deal, thats just you I guess. ;D   

Well Justynius Timberlake... (hehe just kidding) you might be right, that is why I think the message that CD has to give should be important. There is a lot of people who admire Axl and specially the new generation, looking at him as a model to follow, acting like him. That is great, but if you only do the snake dance, and talk about what happened 10 years ago in your life as the centre of the Universe, well his influence will be lost. Im just saying that Axl could send some different message...


Well Justynius I would like to see that too, Axl instead of Justin, but that is rarely going to happen. You know everything is about looks, attitudes, and youth  in the mainstream, Axl is no longer a handsome man and his attitude has changed, even worse he is not going to release a commercial album.


Man the stones are rocking stadiums, I think they are the biggest band in the world nowadays, and even like that they dont appear as much on TV as we wish. The only chance that Guns n Roses reclaims a throne is by a reunion.

but so tell me who're you then? at least Axl got rich n' famous forever while the world will never know your face, can ya show some respect for Axl the next time please? he's a hero n' not ya!  :rofl:

I think it's obvious the album will end world hunger and cure many life threatening diseases.

Objection! I'm afraid it's obvious the album will threaten us with disasters and end the world.

Wasn't it supposed to shatter the earth?

wow some of you people are weird. Basically axl writes for his being only we as fan's just have the benefit of listening to what he does. how can we bitch on what he writes about? I don't think to complain about anything. Remember the album doesn't have to come out. He dosen't technically owe anyone but himself the satisfaction of putting it out.

from what I've heard of the downloads off the net from the 2002, I couldn't really make out any meaning in the songs, granted I've only heard them about 3 times (madagascar, The Blues, and CD) Riyad and Silkworms are really unlistenable to IMO.  I hope it's true and those songs aren't under serious consideration for the album or I may be very dissappointed

Well, if you can't make out any meaning to the songs, that obviously proves no meaning exists in them at all, right?

Here's some ideas to think about that might put you on track......

-Why choose the title "Chinese Democracy?" Why specifically China? How is democracy relevant to China? How might that political situation be a relevant comparison/metaphor for things relating closer to our world?

-On a figurative level, who is the speaker talking to in "The Blues?" Who cannot be saved by all the love and innocence in the world, and tricks people by confusing lies with truth?

-What about the island of Madagascar relates to the situation of the song? What mental/spiritual state is described by trying to find your way back to shore? Why are the ways that the speaker used to be lured in said to be 'mired' in denial and fear? How might denial and fear be a symbolic chain?

The new songs are some of the most lyrically meaningful pieces GN'R has released.

Man he might have been inspired by this book Andrew J. Nathan's Chinese Democy, or maybe just like He said in an interview from 2000, He likes those words.


Is there a big difference between who is talking to in this song (The Blues) or who He is talking to in "Back off bitch". I wonder what is the mistery behind being DOWN IN THE GUTTER DYIN' IN THE DITCH, and saying a bitch to back off...


Man, that is up to you... For me the best lyrics GNR wrote, are in the released albums, some are just to party, like Back off bitch, You could be mine and others, some are funny like You aint the first, some are deep like NR,  Locomotive and some others, I think everybody has their opinion about this.

why is he selfish?  bc he doesn't SHARE his current work?!  give me a break...
We are so lucky that we had a glimpse into his mind/thoughts from previous albums.  He doesn't owe us anything...we don't OWN him!  He is not our property!  It makes me wonder if you ppl even understand the word selfish...
Live and Let live.... :peace:

Nop, its about something else, read the main topic please...? :peace:


Yep, I guess We were lucky? ::), but I also think he does owe us, because He promised the Album, I wouldnt even be here if He hadnt promised Chinese Democracy some years ago...


Well you know it's kinda hard but I'm trying? : ok:


I liked that? :smoking:

Ps: Today is a special day... November 7th,  Izzy Stradlin left the Band 14 years ago....  Its been 14 years of pain...   I guess... Its a snafu..... take care dudes..

And I've answerd that.  read my reply please.
 

That doesn't mean he owes you. No one asks you to wait. You come here for pleasure. :hihi:

 ??? That's not all. Oyez! Everyone in this board is the selfsame person except ya!

But it's nothing to do with the thread. >:(

specifically China because it's a HUGE marketplace.   ;D

http://www.gluckman.com/Americanization.html

Sorry Ppebbe,  I got confused  :). On the other hand I read what you wrote about Axl and his help to kids in Halloween, and yes the man is a mistery, who knows what he has done, maybe he has helped a lot or just nothing. By the way... he owes me the album  :P...  (just kidding)  ;)

Well, obviously you've put a hell of a lot more thought into than I have.  Of course, since I have semi-decent quality downloads off the net w/out the accompanying lyrics, it's difficult to really analyze what the fuck he's talking about.  The GnR I remember use to write about incidents about their lives, and were very personal.  Personally, the Island of Madagascar or the situation in China doesn't do it for me.  If you want hear meaningful lyrics, listen to about the last 2 1/2 minutes of Coma.  Meaningfrul, straightforward, emotional,and you don't need a advanced degree in world history or philospgy to get the gist.

I think CD will have some Innuendo and some Made in heaven influence, albums by Queen, i think Axl in all these years has to be thinking more about himself, his inner side, if he is selfish at the end who cares?, cause eveyone is at certain point of view.
So if anyone with so much to bring, in this case the new album, have planed for a long time in doing something eveyrone expect I think he wants to bring the best.
I think Axl wants to give us the best music he can offer us.
 :peace:

As fans we may take the words of a song a certain way but that doesn't mean that it was the intended message.  Especially so in this case, how can sane people decipher some message from a nutball like Asshole Rose?  The album should be entitled "Music for the Paranoid Delusional Schizos."

honestly man that was funny, are you steven adler ?  :smoking:

I would trade the message and influence for a real kick ass rock album

I dont think thats gonna happen though w/ CD

 :hihi:? ?Bolivia and Nicaragua get fightin' in here just cuz there's a darker reason behind "C.D. message and influence" God damn it who da'fuck is gonna explain what's goin' on?? ?:rant:? ...Me! same here I would trade the message and influence for a real kick ass rock album,  ::)  so?Bolivia and Nicaragua/Chile go out n' find a politic forum to discuss your rare thoughts, show some fucking respect for this topic please !

dUDE, who da-fuck is you talkin bout? :rant: only one thing for sure

You have smoked alot of crack TO DATE!!!!! :rofl: :smoking:

 :smoking:  i really haven't !, the point is Pepe666(Nicaragua) and Carlos MSG(Bolivia) started a brutal war in here just cuz they think they belong to countries like Japan n' the usa but we all know they're not! so i just said to them they can't get off topic, that's it!? ::)

...i know 'C.D. message and influence' it's a' amazing topic to dig over n' over...i think axl always knows how to influence us all when he writes his shocking lyrics, the guy should be a politician than being a rock star!? :drool:

1) I'm ppbebe, not pepe666, Ok?

2) If you want to piss on anyone for where they're from, GET LOST!

3) Show some fucking respect for other posters and read the posts properly for gods sake.

 ::)? ?Oh, look at who's talkin' 'bout "respect"!? you n' they started a ridiculous war in here n' i must face the fucking consequences then? IT'S YOU who must get lose, right?!? :rant:? ?::) ...it was me who spoke 'bout BACKIN' TO THIS TOPIC! but you now wanna hide your great insanity!

replaying at this topic ONCE AGAIN someone said : The album should be entitled "Music for the Paranoid Delusional Schizos." me, i say you're a genius for telling that!    :smoking:

Hi guys how are you doing?

  Well I dont know why you posted that about Nicaragua and Bolivia :D man, It should have been Bolivia and Chile, but it doesnt matter. Besides the problem is with Pepe666 and his behavior and statements against Steven Adler, you are hijacking the thread man.

Take care, have fun dudes...

im not sure were you are going with this.ive waited a hell of a long time NOT  to just give up on axl.so all the things you are talking about doesn't sit well with me.it sounds as though you are just giving up on axl's dream cd.hopefully a reality soon that will happen im sure but im not sure of when.i will still be there when it's released to that very day !

:o  this is not a Disneyland forum...if y r a' adult person you gotta admit that Axl might be livin' a' eternal vacation while he doesn't care 'bout producin' a new fucking album anymore...the guy tried hard since 1998 but he wasn't lucky to make that come true all cuz of his ex mates so now he's just sick of!, that?s it    :-\

 :'(

Perhaps that's true he might be just sick of being pressure to get the CD on time, the production has to be great etc, but the bottom line here is what do you think could be the influence he will use to the new album, a friend told me that once he said that he is back again listening some Queen albums, that would be totally great specially as I said before if he use some Innuendo and Made In Heaven influence  : ok: