Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.rock108.com/UPCOMING%20ALBUMS.htm

http://www.musicaustraliaguide.com/releases.php

These links apparently has a single release listed for november 29th! hmm..

Interesting that Iowan and Australian sources have the SAME date... one probably just surfed the internet and found the other... but... who knows... ???

On a side note... selfishly, an 11/29/05 release date would totally blow. That's like a week before my law school exams start. Please Axl... let me study!!! :hihi:

I really would like to believe that CD will be released Nov. 29th, but until there is a more main stream release date that all the stores and online sites have in common, there is no reason to put faith in this date.  Wasn't it two years ago were several radio stations and even Buckethead said CD would be release October 28, 2003?

November 29th.. is that a date we have heard of before in any sort of article or rumor? I mean, where could these sites have picked this up from, other than the record company? As said before, a rock station from Iowa and some Australian music site.. do they work together?

it would be damn cool if it's true! where do these sites get it fom tho?...

The SONG Chinese Democracy? That's weird... :nervous:

This second site just says november 29th for the album's release.

Thats not a date for a single, its a date for the albim chinese democracy. Most likely they were surfing the net and saw a rumour and thought it was for real.

Well, the second links says "single" so... and both says nov 29

I don't know. ? I think I've been spending too much time around here, because I'm starting to be convinced! ?Almost. ?Will wait and see. ? ?

Paging Mysteron.

So far we have the greatest album ever Chinese Democracy coming out 11/29, and we have the Greatest Hits 2 coming out December 6. ?While I think it is all wishful thinking and rumor. ?If the cd's due come out on these dates, Merck would have been right by saying 2005 will be the year of Gun n' Roses.

Scroll down (midway)
http://www.slowboatrecords.co.nz/upcoming/upcoming.htm

Scroll down to "G"
http://www.pauseandplay.com/upcoming.htm

these have it, too.  but catcher in the rye is the single...mabye they're saying like.  chinese democracy single is coming?

- Guns 'N Roses   "Chinese Democracy" (producer: Sean Beavan; first single: "Catcher in the Rye")    (Geffen/Interscope, 2005 - if ever)

-  Guns 'N Roses   "Chinese Democracy" (producer: Sean Beavan; first single: "Catcher in the Rye"; Read here)    (Geffen/Interscope, TBA - if ever)

::)

Also, this pauseandplay.com already had this thing for a long time (they even put the link to this old blabbermouth news:
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=36830 )

They had CD listed in a store once. I called the store and they told me "yea we have it set for xx month on xx day". It never happened. It's been listed online, VH1 gave it a release date......

Although anything is possible.

Man.. Id totally DIE if they released a single. Seriously guys.. I know its probably fake.. but god I got so excited just reading this.. and it usually doesn't happen... (me getting excited over rumors..)

It's bound to happen one day, isn't it?

True dat brother

November the 29th has been lurking around for ages, i think it was even mentioned last year as a possible 2004 release date. My guess is they heard some rumblings on the net or through word of mouth, dug a little deeper and found this date. I dont think this means anything. Tomorrow is the beginging of a new week, hopefully something will happen!

Jonx

Hm...  ???

Could anyone let me know how you can either put out a single or an album that both have been anticipated for over 10 fuckin years, without a decent publicity campaign? I mean, don't get me wrong, I want the album to come out, but a publicity campaign in less then a month? I don't think that's very realistic.

If the promotion is so intense and enough money is spent, a month would be enough time iMO

I had a look at those links and i think it means single disk not single 1 CD..... :peace:
Thats my take..

You usually get the video and radio play weeks before the single is released.  There is enough time though.  But no chance on the album.  How often does a ban release an album without it already having atleast one single out? These days, never.

usually a single is the promotion for an album. you realease it to radio stations, do a video, put it on sale, start doing press, and that's all the promotion you need.
plus, CD has been on the press for such a long time that it really doens't need any big effort to promote. everybody in the press will jump on it and review it. everybody on the music business will get their hands on it and just give an opinion. it'll be all over the place once it gets out.

Not strictly true, there are bands who test the waters by bringing out a white label where the band are not credited, just to see the reaction and see if people take notice for it being good as opposed to being based on a name. This is possible, who says that aint happening as we speculate on the situation.

strange strange strange!
But they sources isnt that good. Sp1at ant BlabberMouth...

Lets hope we will get a single before the end of theyear then..  : ok:

Date 1: November 29 (Single?)
Date 2: December 6 (Album?)

Richard: "soon"
Tommy: "very soon"
Dizzy: "very very soon"

Hm...

While everyone wrote them off (for this year, if not forever) and is expecting the album to hit (if ever) next March, could this be the shock-and-awe version of the release?

Can't believe we are letting ourselves fall for the same stupid stuff again. If there's gonna be a single released, a press release is gonna be how we find out. Not through this. Don't be so damn naive, people.

Oh my God...this time, it's true ! Chinese Democracy starts now !
 :rofl:

Everything is weird lately.

What concerns me is the lack of anything on Amazon.com or Geffen.com or gnronline.com or sanctuary

The only positive thing seems to be the blabbermouth article. They seem to be legit news most of the time.

Surely not! :o

no!? Hmmm, I used to go there every once in a while, they seemed alright as far as rock news goes.

oh well.

as usual only time will tell in the world of GnR :P

November is a great month for a single, and December is an even better month for an album.

Wouldn't it be glorious if Santa spread Chinese Democracy all over the world...

Too Crazy, I dont think after all these years, that Axl would give information that way, and in a page that is not even popular, or well elaborated...

Neemo, the source of the blabbermouth articlewas a report @ Sp1at.com which source was one employee at Universal Music Group.     :hihi:

BTW the thread title is pretty confusing.
the links don't say 'a single' but 'a single (not double or triple) album'.
if ever!

If they say the first video on air in november, then they seem to be fairly legit.   ;D

I really think that CD doesn't need anymore promotion. I mean just on this site alone there has been three if not more years of promotion. I think that a few TV and radio Spots is enough to get the not so big Gn'R fans out to the records stores.

On another note it would be cool if they released CD Nov 29, that would be three years since i saw them live In Toronto. Kick ass Show.

True! This Topic is MISSLIEADING.
It says Chinese Democracy in November, but anyway, i find it strange that alot of internetsites has confirmed a single "CITR" in November...

First of all I don't think we need to keep kicking the dead horse in terms of how long it will take to promote the album.  Every single rumored release date thread has info or debates about that.

Second, from a record company's point of view, how many bands release a cd the Tuesday AFTER Thanksgiving?  I know the (fake) date is in the holiday season, but what would be the point of waiting over 10 years, only to miss the busiest shopping day of the year by a mere 4 days?

well, there is no chance for an album in December, there really isnt! Remember what Fortus told us!

No way! But, there could be a single coming anytime, and thats what exciting, and with GNR album in March? That could be a good time for release.

Could it be that VH-1 was off only by one year!?

 :hihi:

Just to add some info:

Music retailers (and one in particular) do not have any GnR releases, single or otherwise, currently on their calenders.

The PR and Marketing department of one medium sized chain owned by a larger chain have heard absolutely nothing about any GnR release. ?Not a thing.

Well, I really don't know what to think about it...I'm not holding my breath for this...well, just a little bit  :nervous:

But as some people had said here before, I also think that one month is enough time to promote Chinese Democracy, just because it's been "promoted" for like more then 4/5 years! This album has a lot of things that helps to promote itself, like the first new full-record from Guns since 1991, the first without Slash and Co., this delay that had been going on for years and it's making averyone wanting to know if this waiting did worth...I think that a video on MTV and a single on stores is enough...

Maybe because it seems like this rumor is only going around on the Internet.

These sites are all referring to Geffen announcing a release date. Did anybody see that annoucement?



/jarmo

It won't be out this year. Get over it. You are all getting worked up for nothing. :-\

Nope.? Have you gotten a Press release sent to you by a member of this site (or Sanctuary, directly)?? 'Cause I'm pretty sure that, once a press release actually gets out there (ie: an announcement), if you don't get it directly from the source, you'll have it in you inbox, and posted in a thread with BIG HUGE CAPS in the title, about 30 seconds after it hits the wire.? That's about how long it took for the GH Press Release to get posted here....

I sent a couple of inquiry emails to friends in regards to this rumor.  Doubt there's anything to it, though.  Figured I'd at least help the effort, though.

Things are kind of rough down here right now - I haven't had power for a week now thanks to Hurricane Wilma.  Why oh why did my family have to give birth to me in Florida?

No worries, i'll be moving soon enough - this storm thing gets real old, real quick.

Peace out,

-darknemus

OOPS!!! you're right. hey gimme a break it was early when i read all that stuff :hihi:

besides we can trust sp!at can't we. They never let us down before ::) :rofl:

Exactly, I don't know where they got these release dates from and if they got them online how they can say Geffen is behind the announcement.  :confused:




/jarmo

It would take 2 minutes for Sanctuary / Universal to clear all this mess up e.g.

'Contrary to several rumours circulating the internet, there will not be a new album from Guns n' Roses this year. A second Greatest Hits record is being planned for March next year, however this is not scheduled as yet'.

JOB FUCKING DONE! They may not be able to reveal any news but they can at least help fans out by denying the rumours.  :rant:





 

When you go to amazon.com and type in "Chinese Democracy", Guns N' Roses related items show up. Not the album, but the term "Chinese Democracy" must be linked to GN'R in their database. Is it coming?

Its been that way on amazon for like 4 years now.

-darknemus

Oops...well then forget about that.

I don't know if this has been noticed allready but the gnronline.com is now saying May 2006

Personally I feel that 2005 is not the year of gn'r :'(

i hope its true or i'm gonna die

I still show November 2005 when I search google for 'Guns N' Roses'.  What link are you looking at?

It's showing May 06 for me as well.

My google says November 2005. ???

Whatever it's odd innit? As far as I know no rumour says May. Wonder where they picked up this one.

:wave:

Anyways, this thing about this Geffen source looks like the same thing on GH2. The sites claims its official even if there's no announcement by the label. Couldn't they just check this kind of info before put as "official"? :rant:

I just rang Slowboat Records (its not far from where I live), and the guy who put it on their website sourced it from Pause and Play so there you go. He seemed pretty certain it'll be out by the end of the year tho, so take that as you will.... :-\

Guns N' Roses Official Site
Includes news and information on Chinese Democracy expected May 2006.
www.gnronline.com/ - 2k - Oct 29, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages

fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what happened to fuckin march!?!?!!!!

Relax... It means ZERO...

chinese democracy srarts now

Call the street teams


 ;D

Every YEAR around this time and then again in late Jan these rumors start up......EVERY year.  If they were going to release CD this year, it would only make sense to do it BEFORE or right at Thanksgiving.  Not in the middle of Dec.   Every freakin' year............it's funny, if it wasn't so annoying.

Every bloody  year the same confusing december discussion about wether CD might appear or not...As far as I can remember some stupid rumour always appeared hinting for an end of the year release. If an album should be released on december 6th however, it might be announced next week since most releases are announced one month in advance!

They dont know shit, we dont know shit! Simple as that!

Jonx

FUK THIS LETS RIOT!

Lets pray its really gonna happen this time. If not, we're gonna be starting the rumor cycle all over again in 2006.  Lets place our bets on a superbowl performance. :hihi: Or are you guys gonna hold out for the VMA performance? :hihi:

Fuck all that Thanksgiving shit.

Thats only a stupid little celebration in ONE country.

Theres no Thanksgiving in Europe is there?

Jesus get out of your own arse for one minute and stop just thinking about America

 :peace:

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :hihi: :hihi:

its on :o

Well since Gnr is from the USA that holiday is valid.

Thanksgiving may not matter, but in America, the day after Thanksgiving is a HUGE shopping day.  I don't know if Europe has anything comparable, but here it is the biggest shopping day of the year.  So it is significant.  I don't know if its a good day to release music or not, but it has nothing to do with the holiday per say.  It is all about the millions of dollars that get spent the day after Thanksgiving.  I've worked in retail, and you spend months preparing for the day after Thanksgiving.  And the shopping doesn't stop until a couple days after Christmas. 

"Soon's not the word." --Axl

No singles has been announced yet so I don't think it will happen this soon.

Has anyone taken into consideration that the album could be released without a single? Its happened before. Didn't Pearl Jam do it with their album VS? I know 'Daughter' got played on the radio, but I dont think it was ever released as a single. I also think Mariah Carey did that with a couple of her albums. Neither PJ or mariah never suffered from poor album sales because of the decision.

I would be more than happy if it was released without a single.

 :beer:

Yes daughter was a single, I have it, but i dunno if it was released before or after the album was.

At the same time...No you don't need to release singles before albums. in fact you rarely see singles for sale in Canada, dunno about the US. I think they are quite popular in Europe though.

As a whole I think the people on this board blow the promotion necessary for an album wayyy out of proportion

Except for one small thing:

Holiday shopping around the world starts right after that US holiday.  Doesn't really matter where you are....

And, in case you hadn't noticed, GnR is a US based band.  So, when releasing albums, they tend to gear that release date to when they will sell the most copies in the US.  Given "Black Friday" and how much revenue is generated on that day, and in the weeks leading up to X-mas......

So it really is a valid point of discussion.

I donno but I personally don't remember seeing a very important CD release for the Christmas shopping season.

I thought that time of the year was for anthologies and compilations.

Yeah you're right.  I think it has shifted towards rap/hip hop and anthologies around Thanksgiving in previous years.  Two years ago it was Jay-Z.  I think last year U2 and the Nirvana set.  It seems like rock bands have been focusing on the summer releases which probably tie hand in hand with stadium tours and festivals, ie. Velvet in June 04, Weezer, Audioslave, Foo, NIN this summer in May and June.

I know last year, U2's album came out in late November. I'd argue that was a pretty "important" CD release.? I'm sure there have been others.? Typically, though, you only get 1 or 2 per week over that 6 to 8 week period.? Like movies, the record companies really don't want to share shelf/advertising space with another "blockbuster".

You do see a lot of anthologies and compilations, too, because they make good gifts.

Edit:
For this year, right around Thanksgiving up to Xmas you have:

The new Madonna CD
The new Springsteen CD
The new Stones CD
The new Dave Matthews CD
The new Darkness CD
The new Korn CD

Those are some pretty heavy hitters, sales wise, in about a 4 week period.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/465672/ref=m_mh_mn_nf/103-4607891-5078227

November 29, 2005  INXS

 ??? What's this? I love INXS but is it a real album or a re-re-re mastered Greatest Hits? Michael Hutchence is dead you know...

New album with their new lead singer, J.D. Fortune.? We "won" the Rock Star: INXS reality show that was on TV here in the states a few months back.? The show, for me, was pretty much unwatchable (I tried the first couple of eps).

The single is, I think, already being played. If I remember correctly it's "Pretty Vegas".

Interscope is putting a lot of cash and muscle behind Eminem's greatest hits album being released the first Tuesday in December.  I really see no way that there will be any GNR product in 2005.  An announcement maybe, but no product.

I've heard that date mentioned but due to past history, put no faith in it

God don't let axl read this. You know how much he love's his fans. He might grant that wish lol

I really like new song.  J.D. sing very close has Michael did.

Shifted in previous years? how was it before that?

It's the busiest season for everyone. Too many things to purchase for a short period.
I for one don't have much time for myself till Boxing Day. And all the important term exams...like Mao.
I doubt that it's really the best time to shatter the earth.

Yeah I bought 'How to dismantle an Atomic B' in the following Jan (this year :P ) and didn't listen to it much.
How about Achtung Baby? UYI ? Did they come out around thanksgiving as well?

Maybe I gonna look through the dates of historic album releases, starting from SGP zep2, ok comp and so on.

UYI was released in September. Live Era was released in November.

If promotion starts this week, I could believe it but it just seems too "soon" to me.

I believe you are right ppbebe : ok:

Realistically, how much promotion do you see for any record? other than in Record stores upon releases (Cardboard standups and the like), you don't see too much.

When records are ready they release them. simple

Is Geffen still under Interscope? I was under the impression that they no longer are..

Aye neemo.  they'd know when to shake the earth.  I still think a promo n single would be nice tremors.

Ta will.

Live era is sorta like anthology or something of that fashion to my eyes.  :yes:

I don't know, I didn't really put much thought about it.? It was just on the top of my head that it was weird how five of the more high-profile (popularity, ticket sales, record sales) rock bands out there who all had waited anywhere from 2.5-4 years to release a record would all do it within a 30 day span from mid-May to mid-June.? That being said, I think GNR could release anytime in the year, just not the week after Thanksgiving (to miss black friday by 4 days would be stupid after waiting over 10 years) and the first month after Christmas (obvioulsy because discretionary income is at the low point of the year).?

From 'you know where'...

http://www.sp1at.com/item.php?id=665

Thanks,If this site is legit seems like management just wants us to sit back and wait.Seems it may be sooner than we think

the only solid info I found was in the Music Austrralia link,
It said GNR-greatest Hits was announced by Geffen to be released March 6th, this is 3 months later than the rumors, and it says nothing about Chinese democracy

If you read between the lines, it cleary says "Forget that GH deal, it's actually Chinese Democracy". Too good to be true...

From what I understand (there's been a dicussion about that some time ago - search for "how legit is sp1at" here if you are intrested) sp1at is some fans sending out e-mails and then re-packaging the responses as "interviews".

Seems like it's been removed!

I got an e-mail from a site visitor who says he e-mailed them. They told him that say they got the date from that Pause & Play site...





/jarmo

Hey guys,

Isn't putting some rummours out there an excelent way to promote a new album..?

if thats the case then this album has been the most heavily promoted album of all time.  ;D

it's november already !! yay !!

where do i stea^H^H^H^Hbuy the single ?

march 6 is monday, cd's come out on tuesdays

Not in Europe.

March 6th isn't a Monday in Europe??? ???



 :P

As I said before shouldn't a CD get promocionated before it's release? if so I don't anyone it's promoting Chinese, anyway as I've read before anything could happened.  :peace:

i think it is going to happen becouse i think Axl is ready to try it