Here Today... Gone To Hell!

After reading some of the recent threads, I had a question regarding the morphing of the 1987 version of the band and the UYI version.

I have read that some of you feel the UYI era was a WTF? section of GN'R history. What is do damn bad about growing up? A person grows up, a band grows up, their music matures...

I despise the fact that some of you dislike the illusion era...not because you don't like them...but because of the reasons you site for disliking. You've got to give the band credit for breaking new ground instead of getting stale.

If you ask me...bands like Metallica and AC DC made the same albums over and over again. If a band could be as versitile as Jungle to Patience to November Rain To Live and Let Die to Since I don't Have you these days, we might have real talent on our hands instead of these one dimensional gay bands that we have to endure now.

Axl said something the effect of, "I will not live my life through that one album." I say cheers to that.

Cool thread! Every band needs to evolve otherwise the 'hype' will soon die out. Even if the new GNR album sucks Axl can be happy because this is how he wanted it to sound. Izzy evolved in 1991 and did what he wanted to, GNR fans can say his solo music sucks but at least he too is doing what he wants  :D

every band needs to evolve that goes without sayin

and i hope CD is a step forwards

P.S. metallica didnt make the same alboum over and over again

My problem with the UYI era gnr was the evolution of the Live show. Tracy and Roberta and gimme some reggae.

But as an aside i don't think the evolution you are talking about came necessarily from the band members getting more mature, but from getting more money and fame. They went from doing what needed to be done to doing what was the biggest and most expensive thing that could be done.

As albums the UYI's kicked major ass, but looking back it's obvious that things were unraveling rather rapidly

TSI is my WTF evolution part of GnR history

GN'R is but a memory now in pop culture - resting in several pieces.

Evolution may apply if and when CD sees light of day.

it's when and the when is soon, I bet. : ok:

Well, you should listen Justice, then the Black album, then Load. ::)

If Uncle Axl has jobs going then damn right i will

Here's to hoping you're correct.  :beer:

Mate that is a great post! Fair play on you!! And the next stage of the band evolving is gonna be the new album! Yeh I like your opinion! Good one!! Mike

Metallica evolved into shit, that St.anger album really sucks  :rant: :drool:

Sadly.

"Evolution" doesn't mean doing suddenly bad music and massively changing your original sound. When I hear "oh my god" or "silkworms" I don't call it an "evolution" for GN'R, I just call it very bad music.

Here's a definition of evolution:

"a process of continuous change from a lower, simpler, or worse to a higher, more complex, or better state"

Concerning UYI's there was alot of different sounds on them. So there was an evolution of sorts from AFD for GnR because They were more diversified and they explored lots of different types of songs.

Now from UYI's to what we have heard from CD

is the Blues a more complex song than say Breakdown, Yesterdays or Don't Cry? Not in my opinion. They are pretty close. In fact i could even see the blues having a place on UYI's

Is Madagascar more complicated than Civil War? not really prolly a step back, But that's just me,the sound is more "modern" i guess, for lack of a better term.

How does CD or OMG compare to the rockers from UYI's? They're pretty grungy sounding Tons of Distortion not alot of picking.  Not even close to YCBM or pretty tied up in my opinion. But again they are way different from them too

Every version of Rhiad is pretty crappy and IRS is impossible to hear anything. so my judgement is reserved for those tunes.

Silkworms is like a Rave tune or something. Like a parody of Prodigy. Just wayyyyyy, wayyyy to different.

Overall I don't think there will be a forward evolution, but more of like a sidestep. I mean the whole band has changed. Of course they are gonna sound different. The thing we should be discussing is Has Axl's lyrics and songwriting evolved from UYI's. It's just not fair to compare these guys to the orig band IMO.

just remember to most gnr is a one album band so their best was their first

The evolution of the Illsuion Era is more or less the inclusion of norns, 15 backing vocals, the orchestra etc.

Many of the songs were written pre or same time as AFD

everyone alwats loves to knock ac/dc or metallica, yet unlike gnr they had longevity,.. Metallica put out damn good albums longer then gnr did.. So it's possible thayt if gnr continued they were bound to put out some lemons too. With songs like sanitarium, whiplash, fade to black, for whom the bell tolls, master of puppets, damn the black album.. They did major epic rockers that fucking kicked ass.. Either way ac/dc or metallica can sell out any venues they play.. To me the black album shoed a different sidfe to metallica

Metallica and ac/dc have more songs on rotation these days then gnr... Not bad ror groups that never change

Or rather some call your taste in music very badly limited. : ok:

somewhere down the line it become trendy to knock metallica.. maybe it was after they cut their hair, or after load or relaod or using the orchestra.... People are far to hard on them.... having kill em all, ride the lightning, master of puppets, and justice for all and the black album they gave some diverse music and quite lengthy kick ass songs played amazingly live.. i was not a fan of st anger but their good far out weighs their bad..

a setlist like

one
master of puppets
'four horsemen
sanitarium
for whom the bell tolls
whiplash
fade to black
eneter sandman
unforgiven
sad but true
until it sleeps
nothing else matters
fuel

I think alone those songs rock, some more then tohers but pure examples that metallica can flat out play so heavy and be so sensitive at the same time.. They always gave the bang for the buck... Some of those songs listed above have great instrumentals.. Kicking ass to ONE or Master of puppets :beer:

Mike, dont forget Metallica's "Punk Cover EP", Garage Days. It didn't sell as well as their other albums, but 'The Small Hours' is one of their best songs. 'Last Caress' is pretty cool also. They eventually had this song as their encore. I also liked how they put the price of the album on the albums title($5.98 tape, $9.98 cd). As far as i know, its the only time that has been done.

Please do! As soon as possible!

This has no place in the GN'R section. When will people understand?




/jarmo

Jarmo, why do you always make an example out of me when it comes to this kind of stuff? People mention other bands in this section all the time. This thread was about the evolution of GNR. Obviously, some comparisons would be made, and this time it was about the "evolution" of metallica. I just reminded everyone about that EP. I dont understand why I am always singled out when everyone else does it. Is it because I'm a "whining basher"? :hihi:

*Drill Sargent Voice* Damnit LOFTON why cant you learn!?

 :rofl:

Because your post was the last one in the thread when I looked.  :P




/jarmo

Whatever dude....I know all those albums...I get the same feeling from all of them...

The only stuff I can appreciate is their early stuff...Enter Sandman has some nasty guitar work, but some of the worst lyrics ever written.

Nothing says rock n' roll like a child's song about being scared of the boogy man...."girppin' ya pillow tieeeeeeeeght....exit light?...enter night?..."

christ

Oh christ why is this turning into a bloody metallica thread? They are a bloody heavy metal band!! Guns are on a completley different plain to bands like that! For any metallica fans out there I am not dissing the band I'm just saying that there is not really any comparison between the two bands!

All I can say is,

This thread has "EVOLVED" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Once again, stop talking about Metallica, or this is going to get locked.

lock it up then...cuz we have so much else to talk about...do you guys get paid to do this? cuz if u don't...why the hell do u care?

it's all relevant in some way...so who cares? sure you can divide up the message board into your cute little catagories, but it all comes down to this...Gn'R...as much as I love 'em...is dead...for all intents and purposes...for whoever's fault it is....they're dead and there isn't a damn thing any of us can do about it.

So what else is there to talk about?

So why do you use this board if you beleive the band to be dead?

Yeah, I get paid 10 grand a month. Bitchin' huh?

Whether you agree or not with our "cute little categories" is irrelevant. Metallica is off-topic in this section and that's it. And if you have a problem with that and think that GN'R is dead and buried, do us all a favor and fuck off.

Now this is definitely locked.