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Duo Considered the Olsen Twins of the White Nationalist Movement

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1231684&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

they just talked about that on TV
that's kinda wierd  :o :o

Poor kids......




/jarmo

We had a documentary, I believe, on the exact same children here in Finland a while back.. I forgot to watch it, but it did sound really sad..

oh, so it's not new ?

Who cares what 13 years old say, even though is very sad that children are tought to think that way.  :no:

Well, one thing's for sure, they're gonna get in trouble when they grow up.  :no:

I didn't realize people could be so ignorant in this day and age.

I just watched a video by them.. They're really nothing to worry about, as far as music is concerned... ?:hihi:

Oh dear... How should I say this..? Well, they suck. Unfuckingbelieveable. I thought that they wouldn't be all that great, but my dear god they suck. You'll find their video if you wish. "Victory Day" it was called.

How come the US version of social services hasn't dragged these kids from this evil mother? Surely there is a system in place to protect children from abusive parents?

I just read about it.. I just feel sorry for them..
Fucking idiotic parents that teach them about White Nationalist Movement.. Ain't gonna be easy for those girls..

if there is one then it certainly doesnt work

It's good that you have the fortitude to look at their music objectively.  : ok: Their 5 fans or so out there have an abyssmal taste in music.

hmm must reread that article bu i didnt see anything about abuse...... and if thats the case so long as the child is brought up not abused then they can keep em

I don't believe anything she's doing would qualify as abuse. 

I used to work in a photolab, and one time I saw a picture of a small baby, maybe 1 year old, holding a gun (yes it was real). People, who I guess were the parents, were sitting behind him smiling.  I thought it must be illegal and called the police.  What they told me was there was nothing illegal, and if I was a member of the NRA I might think that was a great picture.  In other words, just because something is offensive to people, that doesn't make it illegal.  And as twisted as this families beliefs might be, its not illegal to have beliefs.

The Govt. should issue licenses to have children.  ;)

I was led to believe there would be punch and pie.... and xxx porn?

Looks like you will be driving home the Ford Taurus tonight, not the Lexus.

o my god! thats disgusting! they shouldn't be allowed to do that! I pray they fuck up big in their lifetime. How can people be so ignorant?

 :hihi: :rofl: A man that doesn't display the flag is unsuitable to teach children - but a Nazi is a fine candidate ::) Think u need to start thinking more about what u write.

Not physical abuse, but the parents are obvioulsy not suitable and the mental well being of the children is grounds to take them into care. Over here children can be taken away from parents who are not intelligent enough to raise children.

I was referring to the legal definition of abuse, not my personal beliefs.  And I think you knew that. 

I saw them on TV about a year ago. Their Mum is a fruitcake, like. Their grandad even worse.

fruitcakes can have children ?
what is a fruitcake anyway ? dry fruits ?

That shit is sickening that's all I can say. Their albums or whatever they're trying to sell should be taken from the market. Some little impressionable 8/9 year old girl will go in pick up their CD see a picture of two blonde girls (not much unlike The Olsen twins) and it will warp their little minds. Disgusting.

Haha, she has a stutter

If you did that in the US there wouldn't be enough room in the orphanages to hold all the children of the stupid.  Way too many ignorant people have kids here.

And who decides who's intelligent enough?  Is there an IQ test? Here, its not illegal to be racist, homophobic, ultra religious, or ultra liberal.  Beliefs can never be illegal, only behavior can.  It doesn't mean that some people's beliefs aren't morally reprehensible, but they are not illegal.  When  freedom exists, it will sometimes lead to this kind of behavior. But should everyone give up their right to raise their children the way they believe is right because of a few idiots?

What are the laws on spreading a message about how the white race is the superior one or something similar?

I know here, you can (and probably will), get arrested if you stand on the town square saying things like that. Threatening people based on their skin color, sexuality, nationality, faith etc is illegal.

Apparently a preacher was sentenced to a month in jail because he was saying that AIDS appeared because of gay people (he had said other things too about gay people).



/jarmo

did u change the name of the topic ? ;)

yeah i can't see why they're are not arrested .. freedom of speech okay ... manson was arrested because he put the american flag on fire so ....

I'm not a lawyer, but yes, I believe it is? legal to stand on a street corner and say any offensive thing you want.? The KKK is allowed to demonstrate, and preachers can say disparaging things about gay people.? Threatening probably falls under a different category, but I think you might have to make a specific threat against a specific person for it to be illegal.? I could be wrong though.? But rappers have been talking about killing police for a long time, and no one has said that was illegal.?

The really stupid thing is that hate speech is allowed to go on, and no one really complains.  But Janet Jackson's breast caused a national incident and lead to censorship of anything remotely sexual, "bad" language, and fart jokes. 

As long as the speech is not a direct threat to a person, ie, "I am going to kill you" then I think it is fine.  Exlcuding child pornography.

If they want to sing about a white homeland, let them.  No one is forcing you to listen to them.  You could even protest them in a peaceful manner.

Remember when people wanted to censure Appetite for Destruction and lies because they were mysoginst, racist, etc.  My how people forget so soon about these type of things.

But Axl explained his motives over "One In A Million" and even apologised, on the cover of GnR Lies, and elsewhere, to anyone that took offence. These people are singing about white supremecy like it's perfectly normal subject matter, they think it's ok and are even 'proud' of their message. That is what is most sickening about it.

Axl was pretty defiant about it for awhile.  He was expressing himself at that point in time.


How do you know they will never change their views?  Let them live their own lives and figure the world out for themselves.

Does anyone have any lyrics that these kids sing?  Are they singing about white supremacy or white separatism?

Shouldn't all forms of music that is disgusting be illegal too then.  Or just ones that are disgusting because of race.  Explain yourself.  Should 50 cent be banned?  Should Slayer be banned?

Any music with a target market of young children at an impressionable age glorifying negative subject matter, violence, racism, homophobia, etc. should at least carry a warning. I'm not trying to sound like a big censorship freak or anythin, but teaching children to approve of nazi viewpoints is wrong. I think 50 cent and Slayer can be excused since they are clearly aimed at an audience between 15-35, dressing two little girls up like the Olsen twins and getting them to sing about nazism is just ridiculous. Would you buy a 6-10 year old girl their CD?

Axl was defiant as far as censoring the record went as he felt he explained his motives with regard the song and felt it was viable. Not because he actually hates black people and wants everyone to know.

That sounds pretty good.  However, I would argue that 50 cent's target market goes lower than 15.  There are middle and elementary school fans of 50 cent.  And that is pathetic.  Slayer seems to be a little bit of an older target audience.

And no, I wouldn't buy those girls cd.  But, that is my right.  It is their right to put out the CD.  That is my point.

Also, what are these kids actually singing about.  Are they singing about supremacy, killing minorities, white separatism, anti interracial relationships?

This is important when you are talking about free speech.  The only one that I would be for censuring would be if they were telling their record buyers to kill minorities.  That is a direct threat.  Singing about white separatism is a belief.  I, you, the government have no right to tell someone what to believe, to a point.

Nobody would.

Then they won't be around for long will they.  Its called free market capitalism.  The consumer is king.  You have the power to personally boycott or start a boycott.

Thats how you deal with issues like this, not by calling on the governement to come in and take over because you are personally offended.

Like I said, if every nutbag came to the government because they were offended about something, we wouldn't have had the experience that Guns N' Roses gave us.

Yeah, I kinda guessed it falls under freedom of speech.

Wonder what happens if somebody listens to a preacher, then goes out and assaults the people the preacher was going on about? Would the preacher be held responsible at all?

It's free speech but it led to something else.....




/jarmo

There have been lawsuits about stuff like that, for example, when Judas Preist was sued for a kid's suicide.  I don't think anyone has ever been successful with that kind of lawsuit however.

Oh yeah, I remember that. But it was more about a record telling people to kill themselves wasn't it?


Not a preacher telling others that certain groups of people are "bad".





/jarmo

It was a COVER SONG that Judas Priest played, and they somehow got in trouble for it instead of Spooky Tooth. Better By You, Better Than Me is even one of the happiest songs on the Stained Class album. If they had claimed the heaviness of Beyond The Realms Of Death inspired the suicide, they may have even had a point, since that song is so awesome.  :peace:

Heavy metal is just something some people don't understand. Freedom of speech is more important than being inoffensive; reality is offensive, live with it.