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it said finck spent two years with gnr and said to have recrded several albums worth of material for the band.. One of those tracks a re recorded version of SCOM is slated for release on the gnr album 2000 intentions which is targeted for release by the end of the year/.. The says how he left gnr & is going to tour with trent for the fragile tour..

This issue also has many things with zakk wylde talking about his work with axl and the gnr on steroids comment..

I never followed this that closely, it was just me looking through my old metal edge mags

My questions is what happened to all the material, also the title 2000 intentions album as well which was slated for the years end.. Also how did the title go from 2000 intentions to CD... I know when axl spoke about OMG to kurt loder he mentioned cd so where does this other title or album come from.. Were there supposed to be 2 albums back then..  How the fuck did everything go so wrong.. ??

I dunno... But I just saw an old article with Robin in 2000, when he left the band to join NIN. It's a interesting read:

http://thenewguns.com/MetaBB/viewtopic.php?p=34425#34425

Funny how Robin says how frustrating it was. Wonder how he feels now... :(

Well I hope Axl has finished those damn lyrics by now!  >:(

What's so hard to understand? Two years and nothing happened. Any musician would be frustrated.  :-\

He meant that now we're in 2005, Robin is in the band (whatever it means) and there is still no sign of the album. So imagine the frustration Robin has right now.

so what is the difference between 2000 intentions and chinese democracy..? or the relation between the two albums layed down from robin or the two axl said he had??

I also found another old (nov 1999 ) metal edge and in the metal wire area which is gossip and fast facts they say... Guns n roses is rumored to have 2 albums worth of material and axl will be touring with a bunch of revolving guitar players like brian may.. Thenit said there will also be a song for arnold's new movie end of days

Everybody has a limit, Axl knows that and wants the album out just as bad as we do, hopefully the Judge will send Slash and Duff walkin so Axl can release an album with the name Guns N Roses without ex members trying to envolving themselfs in some twisted way to another lawsuit.

The ablum name 2000 Intentions was what the album was going to be called when it was planned to be released before or during the year 2000. But when it became clear that it would not be released until after the year 2000, the name 2000 intentions didn't make much sense so Axl came up with the name Chinese Democracy.

And who knows what has happened to all the material that has been recorded over the years. I'm sure there are hundreds and hundreds of songs at various stages of completion on discs somewhere. A lot of these songs are probably just instrumental parts or half-finished song demos, but hopefully one day years from now Axl will decide to release a huge boxset with everything he recorded over the past 10 years in it. It would be really cool to hear how the album evolved from the mid-90s to whatever it is like when it is finally released. Obviously, only the most hardcore gnr fans would be interested in buying such a boxset, but it would sure be a nice thing for Axl to do as a way of saying thanks to all of us who have stuck with him all this time.

there`s nothing really new in this article, but i wonder that robin actually said this to a magazine, since he signed a confidential agreement.  by the way i think that the lyrics are completed now, but there are other things holding up a release. ( axl doesn`t feel like releasing an album ::))

I never said it was new, but it was new to ME... I just wondered how they had so much material and a name like 2000 intentions with a end of year talk then 6 years later there is still nothing.. I had always knew chinese d but I never knew the other..

that wasn`t addressed to you mikegiuliana :peace:

i just meant there were no new facts in the article, but i never heard a band member of gnr saying something that explicit about the studio work.

Interesting question, Mike. I have also always wondered how 2000 Intentions morphed into CD, and when it did, no one seemed to notice it or make a big deal about it. Anytime a 2000 Intentions thread gets created, it always dies a quick death. I dont think anyone really knows about it. Axl has never really commented about the name change, so people dont know what to say. I also believe it was probably going to be two seperate albums. When he decided against that concept, he stuck with the eerily metaphoric 'Chinese Democracy'. Most people dont see how the 2000 Intentions title was also metaphoric. You know how 'intending to do something and actually doing it are two different things'. Its also possible that 2000 Intentions was going to be that Industrial Techno album, but when Axl scrapped that idea he also scrapped the album title. But you're right, both album titles were mentioned in the same year(1999), and that would seem as though 2 seperate albums were being planned. Just add 2000 intentions to the mountain sized pile of GNR mystery. Hopefully Axl will be asked about this if he ever does an interview again. I'm surprised it was never brought up in 2002.

August 14th, 1999 - Guns N' Roses Double Up (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=153)

Guns N' Roses are preparing to end their lengthy silence, as they finish up work on two new studio albums, both of which are being produced by Sean Beavan and expected to be released simultaneously in October. The two, as yet untitled, albums feature the new line-up of vocalist Axl Rose, guitarists Robin Finck and Paul Huge, keyboard player Dizzy Reed, drummer Josh Freese and bassist Tommy Stinson. One source close to the band describes the new material as being, "Cleaner and fatter, but completely Guns N' Roses. Despite the rumours, there's no hint of any techno or industrial influences."

2000 Intentions and Chinese Democracy? Could've been. God, I wish would've been.

I think they meant Appetite For Destruction (Re-recorded) and Chinese Democracy.

Nope. Further on the article:

"Also, on the Guns' horizon is a third new album, this one being a live record featuring mostly "Appetite For Destruction" - era material. This will include a revamped version of the classic "Sweet Child O'Mine"."

It would've been like a live record from the '02 tour.

edit: Which would actually explain the said tour and its setlist, yet only time will tell is AFD Live still in the cards.

Very nice.

Its sad how Axl had such grandiose plans that ended up turning into nothing. I know most of you disagree, but I still think it was the negative reaction to 'Oh My god' that derailed his projects. Had 'The Blues' been on End of Days, we would be speculating about album number 2 or 3 instead of spending the last 6 years dreaming of album number 1.

Up to a degree, I agree with you there james. In '99, there was OMG in End of Days, SCOM in Big Daddy, Live Era, Axl's first proper interview in years. Such activity doesn't happen by fault. They were certainly going towards something, whatever it might've been.

edit: I also blame End of Days. A different song might've not made that much difference, as the film did a somewhat disappointing result in the box office. Now, if Axl would've put a ballad like The Blues into film like The Green Mile, that would've been something else.

so true between live era sales and oh my god there really wasn't the demand for gnr like the past.. Everyone was stuck on korn. limp, kid rock...  Was just bad timing.. Gnr today as a whole is seen as rock icons, then tehy were still seen as a hairband to some..

I think now a song like scom on a big movie soundtrack might enter the charts again on mainstream or modern rock.. So those 3 not so great responses to gnr work must have left axl down and doubting himself...

After reading this article no one can say the fans shouldn't have expected anything,.. There was multiple album talks and even months

Mike, you just made a very good point. The article is more proof that something was supposed to happen, and bandmembers discussed it, and people expected it. Here we are, six years later with nothing, and some of the people here think we're morons if we expected something to happen. The claim that nothing was expected needs to be flushed down the toilet. Its mindblowingly clear to any sane person that something was supposed to happen, plans were made, and GNR let this out to the media. Why people would argue otherwise is very strange. :confused:

I do agree mike that back then the mainstream public weren't ready for the album back in the late 90s. Axl has become so much bigger since then as an icon, and people were stuck on the Limp Bizkits, Korns etc.

I think they were ready in 02, and I think if the album were to come out now, it would be a massive success. Look at the coverage and attention Motley Crue, Bon Jovi etc have received lately with their tours and material. I think since various bands have come and gone since then, there is a lot of respect for the 'classic' bands whose quality remain and will always be recognised.

Yes, but the new GN'R is nowhere near to be a "classic band". They start from scratch they have ALL to poove. Guns N' Roses is not the same band anymore. The name is the same, but the faces are not. But i still agree to say that "Chinese Democracy" could be a massive success if it was released tomorow.

I take your point, but the name is enough. New faces yes, but Axl's face and name is enough.

I hope so. However I think THE MUSIC will determinate almost everything. People might forgive Axl for the Slash thing if the music is really awesome. But don't forget what i said, The new band will start from scratch.

Not really, as I said, they have the name, previous material to use etc. It's a little different to say Velvet Revolver. But anyway, let's agree to disagree.

I was thinking and this is probably really way off the mark. But to me, Axl's voice in the Live Era tracks, (we all know it was altered/engineered), was altered to sound a little like the new voice as heard in Oh My God for example. I've thought before that perhaps this was done on purpose to get the fans kind of used to the new voice so it doesn't sound as different when new material is released. Just a thought. To me some parts of his altered voice in those tracks sounds a lot like the Oh My God voice.

An album and ten extra tracks...

I've said it before and I'll say it again , the name Guns N Roses will only go so far. The fact that GNR "was" a huge band can only make so much press. Whoever is in or out of the band doesnt matter. This album will in the end stand up be reconized by the quality of the material presented on it.

Obviously there will always be the "10 years in the making" stigma attached but if the material is strong enough hopefully critics will try and justify the lengthy process. And I'm sure once the press machine starts moving forward axl will have some answers just as to why it took so long and I bet they will make sence.  : ok:

I think Axl's alot smarter then we give him credit for sometimes.

I absolutely agree and think Axl likes it that way. As for previous albums/material I think its really simple and been said by bandmembers before. When you have 5-8 musicians collaborating on a record for months, and even years at a time, that is an immense amount of ideas and song fragments to build upon. They could have nailed a full record and then a week later, Axl had written some brilliant lyrics that needed music obviously to support it. Former material is scrapped/negleted and new material is focused on. I wouldnt be surprised if its not just writers block delaying Axl, but the fact that once he gets the material where he thinks it should be, he feels enticed/obligated to outdo himself and push the boundaries even farther.

Thanks, I never said axl ever owed me anything, or the fans but no one can ever act like he didn't basically promote this material or come out giving time periods it should happen..  When I use to read my metal edge in 99 there were issues after issues saying a gnr album was coming out and tons of material was going to see the light of day... That has been the only bitter pill to swallow so to speak.. Sure some act like it never happened or axl never said a damn thing adn that he never goes back on his word, but hey the articles are all there and then metal edge news team didn't just put words in robin or axl's mouth, these things were all factual... Hopefully something happens soon, but to call people whiners or whatever is fucked up since 6 years later we know less then then

Who has not acknowledged the fact that CD or a new gnr record wasnt supposed to come out at some point in time. We all know it has been close. It was probably really close early on in the late 90's and then again around Rio. But stuff has happened along the way. STuff we will eventually find out about....but let me ask you this....

Dont you all think its maybe a blessing in disguise that we dont have a new GNr record in our stereos yet?

What I mean by that, is look how obivious and apparant the direction of the band and material has changed since the late 90's. Axl was in his techno mode and more importantly there wasnt really a solidified band. So all that got put on hold and then came Bucket. Some more stuff came into the pot. The band began to solidify and gel. Even went on the road. Axl was now able to "perfect" his vision and material of what a new gnr album should represent.

SO what Im basically saying is that th enext GNR a;bum we hear will be an album that is completely complete. An album that will have a direction and purpose and will be the best the band could offer. And althought the waiting and no news is fukin getting old and frusterating it might serve a purpose. Instead of maybe having 1 or 2 new gnr albums by now with a shaky lineup and musical identity we will get something very focused and to the point. And in the end, given the situation, that might be the best thing....

Younggunner, thats essentially what I was trying to say with my post albeit you put it better. Axl's miscellaneous interests in various genres, as well as the revolving door of members has absoluetly been a source of the delays. Its extremely hard to lay down a track with someone, and sooner than you turning around there no longer involved in the project. I think that when a man as talented as Buckethead came on board, the material Axl already had in the pot looked vastly insuperior to what BHead layed down in probably a sort period of time..the pot became overflowing sort of spoeak.

It wouldnt surprise me if after his departure, Axl sat down with all the other members and was like "look, this jumping ship shit has gotta stop if we have a snowballs chance in hell of getting this fucking record out there". Since his departure, I think the new band went back and put 250% more effort into the work already done, or semi-done. They want this thing to shine as if it had a fucking halo around it.

Just out of curiousity though YG, how can this record be entirely complete and reflective of the New gnr's direction if BHead is gone but all signs point to his work remaining?

maybe if axl acted a bit quiker there wouldn't have been a revolving door of players,, I also would like a finalised band before anything happens..  But axl taking his time is part of the problem which can cause members (BH)to get fed up n leave.. SO he is his own worse enemy.. Tommy n robin have been there so long yet have no gnr music to show for it.. Axl is lucky these guys have patience

Mike, I dont think its essentially always Axl who has been the reason for the bandmembers leaving, Chris Vrenna and Freese left to persue their own music and Paul left because he was a wuss and couldnt handle life on the road :hihi: Without knowing Axl, I cant say for certain but Id guess his creativity and musical aspirations can be his own enemy in alot of ways..Axl is a tragic hero right outa Shakespeare if you analyze the man enough. His genious is what made him the man he was and is making him the man he is now. I dont think current affairs gets under Tommy's skin quite that much, the man was a legend long before joining the fold and Im sure he has plenty to do musically till this monstrosity gets off the ground. Robin on the other hand..thats just fucked. He has to be under either Axl's creative, or psychological thumb, one of the two :hihi:

Younggunner, there are plenty of people here who deny something was supposed to happen in the late 90's. In fact, over the past few years, they have argued with anyone who believes that there were plans. But in the past month or so, something strange happened: They stopped arguing their losing argument. Why? Because several people have uncovered some articles from that time where album titles are mentioned, and even month and year tentative release dates. Hell, there was even articles about GNR possibly doing Woodstock 99. Those articles are facts that cant be disproven, and thats why the "usual suspects" aren't in this thread bitching about it. 

Like I said, its common knowledge that GNr were supposed to have released CD by now and other various things. But that doesnt mean things dont come up. Obiviously there is a snag with this album. We just dont know what it is

I'm fortunate not having missed the big time that is happening.  :yes:

maybe it was gonna be called 2000 Intentions if it got released in 2000, which it didn't.
maybe we'll see 2006 Intentions, haha

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? ?do you think about certain posters? right now i can`t think about even one SERIOUS member here that denied that there was something supposed to happen back in the day.

by the way,? don`t ya think it`s strange that axl said that the album would come out `soon and "it`S time to wrap the baby up" and so on until the vma`s and then he said soon`s not the word?

he probably faced the problems he had and might still has at that period of time.... and kept silent about a release date after that.

and the titles "2000 intentions" and "chinese democracy" don`t sound very promising for an actual release imo.

Me neither. It's not exactly a secret for people who were on the web in the late 90s that the title was rumoured to be "2000 intentions". Hell, there was even a fan site / forum called that at the time.

I think it was redone in the studio because his live singing on UYI was terrible for the most part and wouldnt have been up to the standard required for a quality release (see Tokyo vids)