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Should Turkey be allowed in the UE?

This is a topic I find very fascinating! Every time I hear each side present their case, I think they are the right ones. So, basically, I don't have an opinion it yet. But it's a very important issue for the future of the EU, and really for the world in general as it will play an important role in the future relationship between the West and Muslim worlds.

I'd like to know what everybody else thinks, especially Muslim members and people from different European countries?

well turkey is already looked hard upon by other muslim countries as they are members of NATO, for them to become more westren centric would alienate them from the muslim world and increase interneal political pressures. For them to remain a moderate muslim state and be a bridging point then they have to decide NATO or EU, though IMO neither is a good path for them the maintain.

i see it as a start of globalization of politics.
slowly but surely ... the word " Nation " will make no sense anymore.

the EU must be strict about the prerequisites the ask for new members tho.

Of course - in Britain our immigration ''polices'' have just about ruined the nation but there is still a bit more damage to be done - millions of poorly educated Turks would help us finally send this old girl to hell.

No...this ever expanding bloated bureaucracy should be terminated with immediate effect...i wonder how many junkets are planned for the EU ministers at the taxpayers expense...

Amen - and why is it ''right-wing' to see the EU as hideously corrupt and run in its own interests? One size doesn't fit all!

the Eu has a bigger problem that Turkey right now ....
they need to find an agreement on what way to take. the NO to the constitution in france and holland was a severe brake for the EU ... but now, the hope and change the "NO-sayers" were promoting is not there yet.
what did the No say ? nothing really ... we're still stuck.

one big problem, is that democracy can't work (at least in today's state of mind) for a large group of nations.
people won't be ok with a majority-based decision.
and a uninimity (?sp) is out of the question with a large number of countries ...

so ...
if 20 countries out of 25  says yes to something .... through democratic process one would say that we do it their way ... but we have to look on how they individually took the decision (referendum ? vote ? senate ? direct ? indirect ?)

and if we're waiting for the 25 countries to agree (like the No-sayers wants i guess ...) It will never happened.

if governement take the decisions, some will say "this is not the voice of the people "
but like ... in germany referendum is illegal (nazi ...) so what do we do ?

i guess we should use the fact that turkey wants to be in the EU to make them evolve and "be more like us" - cause in the end taht's what we want .
and then use that to spread european thinking across the globe ...

oh oh ?

wouldnt it be amusing to know that countries with more power can tell other countries what they can or cannot do? one size doesnt fit all is right,...and the bigger the size, the less democracy there is...

Same here in the United States.

Atleast ur Mexicans invaders don't spend their time plotting the death of the west and blowing up trains...or maybe they do....

Oh believe me, Mexicans aren't the only ones coming across that border.? We have plenty of the types you are speaking of over here.? Luckily, at least I hope Luckily, they are more dispersed across the country instead of concentrated like they are in the UK.

People become hysterical when immigration is even mentioned - as if the idea of setting limits is some crazy Nazi idea as opposed to basic common sense - exactly where are these people supposed to live/work - and realistically, how many ghetto's and people unable to speak the native language can any country support?

The EU allows any member national to move to any other member state - so 40 million Turks could move to Britain the day they joined.

Not opposed to them joining or moving here on some crazed racial grounds but so many people who turn up have limited education, can't speak the language and condone violence against their new 'home'....only a minority of them are criminals but thats more criminals added on to the number we already have.

Turkey is welcome in the EU - but the people can stay in Turkey, after all they wouldn't appreciate 60 million British people turning up and refusing to speak their language and flouting their laws....

Come on! People who really want to come there will do so even without the EU. I think the illegal immigration is a bigger problem.

If they come from another EU country, at least it's legal.


This reminds me of a joke I heard on the radio back when Sweden was voting about joining the EU. A guy calls the "EU information hot line" and asks "I have a friend who tells me there'll be 10000 gay Germans coming over here if we join the EU! Is this true?". The poor woman tried to explain to him that it wasn't likely but if they wanted to, they could come to Sweden.? :hihi:




As far as Turkey and EU goes, I'm not sure. Seems like they're not "ready" yet.



/jarmo

I hear ya.? I wouldn't be happy about those prospects either if I lived in the UK.?

From that point of view, our situation may be worse.? As Jarmo said, at least they would be doing it legally.? Here, our government just refuses to to stop anyone from coming in.? Who knows whether they have disease?? Who knows whether they are terrorists?? Who knows whether they have been convited of egregious crimes in their own country?

I don't care what society you are, you can't assimilate millions of poor people per year.? It is too much for any society to bear.? I don't blame the people for wanting to come here; I blame the idiots in Washington.? I am sure the situation is relatively analogous over there.? We are losing many parts of our country.? They should assimilate into our society, instead of us changing our society to adapt to them.

i'm sure your joke was funny in swedish :)

Comment ca casse...lol

I don't have a definitive opinion yet about that whole Turkey issue...but right now I would say I'm leaning towards the "No" to their accession into the EU. As Jarmo pointed out, I don't think they're ready either.

No, simply because it isn't an european country...only about an 8th of the country is based in Europe...therefor no.

well israel does play with european teams in soccer tournaments :)

well, the point of europe is that we wanna share commons objectives and dreams with other countries.
so it started with a few.
then more and more.
this is not about "europe" as a place.

we have to extend the way of thinking to most countries. if turkey wants to change, then it's cool.

and, well, this accession process may be more efficient than war in terms of helping a country to change.

being a muslim myself, Turkey should join the EU to make friendlier relationships between west x

Perfect solution to crime - make everything legal and then celebrate ur crime free society :hihi:

You don't want "40 million Turks" to move there so the only way to stop people from moving there is by not letting Turkey into the EU?

Well, doesn't that apply to all countries then?

Let's say USA wanted to join the EU ( :hihi: ), would you say "but then 295,734,134 Americans could move here"?




/jarmo

For football, yes. Gallatasaray is a very good team.