Here Today... Gone To Hell!

There are many rumors 'bout Izzy n' Axl to date, many persons have confirmed that those guys hate each other today more than ever!, but why did Axl show his real brotherhood to Izzy n' the world in 1991 when the don't cry video was made? watching this one you can notice how much Axl misses Izzy up that time, when you see makin' the don't cry video you can highly notice that Axl wrote down in a paper: here's Izzy but on the official video it said 'WHERE'S IZZY', even Axl also showed a' old picture of he n' Izzy before they got reach n' famous, doesn't it tell us is Izzy the only one who doesn't wanna be a' Axl's Pal anymore? I?ve heard to say Axl was the one to waste that friendship that seemed undestroyed but maybe Izzy felt very powerful to kick AXL/GNR out when the band needed him most? :o !, you guys what d?ya think 'bout?? ?

Look again.

It clearly says:

WHERES
IZZY


in the video.


Once again I don't know what you're after......




/jarmo

wtf dude! stop the drugs hehehe
and yeah is WHERE IS IZZY....

Oh sorry! ,you're totally RIGHT ?Jarmo ?:yes: ?: ok: , the truth is i don't watch that video a long long time ago! but when i wrote this topic i was thinking to write that too : WHERE'S IZZY!( i already edited those wrong lines UP THERE)

...I?m so sure that Axl wanna be a' Izzy's Pal once again These Days

i dont really think so.. a couple years ago... Izzy went to axl house... and axl didnt talk to him... cuz he thinks that the fact that izzy went to indiana.. destroy all his friendship, remember that those guys ran away from lafayette to LA... to restart their lifes... when izzy went to indiana.. a big part of the meaning of GNR and their frienship finished...

but why did it have to destroy their friendship? Izzy is free to go there, around the planet everyone knows Axl n' Izzy, i don't understand why Izzy can't feet Lafayette after being famous  ::) 

...either I don't think that another cheap story was true!, Izzy was a real brother to Axl for years, why the guy don't wanna open his door to Izzy THESE DAYS then  :-\ ?  Although i'm so sure Axl doesn't forgive Slash n' Duff to date!  :smoking:

if you dont understand what i tried to mean in my post...
ill quote axl:
He casually mentions that a while back his security camera caught an unannounced visit by Izzy Stradlin to his front gate, but quickly adds that he had no interest in getting together with the old school buddy and former collaborator, whom he originally followed to Los Angeles from Indiana. ''It wouldn't be healthy for me,'' Rose explains. ''Izzy went back to Indiana,'' Rose continues, shaking his head in disbelief. ''That pretty much explains the absurdity of the whole goddamn thing. The fucking idea of going back to Indiana - I am not even bagging on Indiana - I just know how much Izzy hated it. I went to high school with this guy. It's pitiful. It was the fame of the heroin addiction and the fear of death. When Izzy woke up in New York with EKG pads all over his body and doesn't know how they got there, and knows, 'I think I OD'd last night and made it back home' - that was pretty much it. Before that he was pulling away, but that was the end.
quote from:
Axl Speaks
Rolling Stone, January 2000
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=30

::)? all what I said was this story told by Axl makes no sense just cuz Axl can't stop Izzy anyway, everyone is free to go everywhere always, that's what I meant! Somehow i know Axl wanna turn back time to fix his friendship for real, if axl sung with G. Clark 5 years ago why he couldn't see his ex-best Pal face to face to start over new?? ;D

No offense axlroseven...but I think Axl would say, "Fuck that shit!" 

I'm constantly amazed at the "Reunion-ites" on this board.  The original GNR is over, done, never to be seen again.  If this is too bitter a pill to swallow, oh well.  Sooner or later, you've got to face facts!  Izzy's been gone for almost 15 years and you still hold out hope Axl would want to collaborate with him??????   :rofl:

I can't wait for Axl to get through the legal rigamorole and get this damn thing going so I don't have to keep reading posts like this. 

but time can't kill a good friendship easily, maybe it's the right moment for Izzy to come back to GNR, what do ya think guys?

why do you say that is no sense what axl said? he told you something about it?
you are on fuckin crack!

Jesus, I guess those threads are the main reason why I don't post in this section no more. How can we make wishes, bets on things that  are not of our concern and that we know anything about ?  :-[ :-X

where`s your point AxlRoseVen?? Can`t you continue to spread your nonsense at chinese democracy.com?

c'mon folk, don't try to sound nice n' funny cuz you know I?m right deep own inside, if axl said that shit really so it'd let us see that Axl still cares 'bout Izzy so very much TODAY!, I guess Axl gets hurt by Izzy when the guy doesn't wanna be his pal anymore THESE DAYS so Axl just does something to call his attention usin' the press to talk ?bout his ex-friend!  :hihi: , somehow axl has tried to get Izzy back to play with the new band, Izzy might play with GNR once again if the guy just forgives the fucking past for once ::)

? Don?t ya wonder why did Izzy have to leave GNR those times when he could wait to finish the UYI tours in 1993 at least to tell Good Bye to his fans? Izzy went away without sayin? a word to the press so it just tells me Izzy wanted to show the planet that He was the only boss in the band to tell'em what to do but GNR had to pay a creepy price when they didn?t wanna hear HIM during the UYI tours!? >:(

i actually never thought about the fact(???) that izzy left gnr without a word to the fans.

didn`t he say something to the fans? or the press?

Izzys democracy starts now!!

No, he didn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-\

even when G. Clark appeared on stage durin' the UYI tour in the u.s.a every fan got so fucking surprised that instant! cuz Clark was able to play with gnr when the press didn't know that the band had new member that time! Clark had to learn every song quickly cuz Izzy didn't give a fucking chance to find another musician really, Izzy's gone from GNR when they needed him most after a show in London, ?:confused: ? I?ve? heard to say he offended Axl n? Geffen while they were backstage that night when the concert was over but who knows if this story is true!, what do ya think they really felt that moment ?then? ?

I heard on MTV months before Gilby entered GNR that Izzy left so the press knew Izzy was gone. And it was Axl that didnt allow Izzy to enter his house so Izzy said fuck him and never returned.

first off : MTV could know that easily but it wasn't a' official NEWS so the press couldn't be sure 'bout just cuz Izzy didn't say exactly when he had to fade away from the band, second :? ::) why should we believe that Axl that didn?t allow Izzy to enter his home when it might be just a cheap story to sell out that fucking magazine, you must remember Hollywood is full of mysteries n' fucking lies too

...from the start Axl owed many favors to Izzy just to waste him like a dirty sock next, Slash n? Adler are the only ones who won?t be into Axl?s home anymore, for sure!? :hihi:

what are Izzy doin' now btw?


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 : ok:  Learn more English before posting here!, you just had to write: 'where is Izzy now?'

...well anyway let me tell ya that today I found out a big coincidence just cuz few minutes ago before coming here I went to a Venezuelan website which supports GNR too so there I read : (it's been written in Spanish) but really that isn't official information yet, you can read it here :   http://gnrvenezuela.cjb.net/  , the truth is I got surprised cuz I didn't expect that rare breaking news, honestly  :o !...if i get more information ?bout so you'll be the first to know it over here!

mmm I dont know, what he are doing :D

Adler is touring Argentina and rumors say Izzy might join him. Lets hope he does im planing to go if its confirmed.

something tells me they won't sell out the tickets this time!, guess they're gonna call Axl to join too to fix this creepy situation   :o  :-\

I think Axl still retains an absurd amount of repect towards Izzy on a personal level, as well as on a musical level. They went to bloody school together after all and made the big leagues together side by side..I dont care how big of a fallout they had, friendships dont just dissappear with the snap of a finger. As far as Axl's statement goes about not letting him in his house, well thats simply the mans choice. Axl loved the highlife in LA after they had really made it big, but that wasnt Izzy's cup of tea at all. Deep down I think Axl feels like Izzy turned his back on him when he needed him most. They were in it for the long run and all of the sudden Izzy's gone leaving Axl to think, and write for himself..to think and write for GnR.

I cant see any future compilations between Izzy or Axl either though. Axl sees no need to compile his creative aspirations with a collegue of the past. It's about moving on, and artistic growth. Izzy is a memorable and fond memory in Axl's mind, but Axl is creatively evolving writing his lyrics solo for all intensive purposes..he must advance from past success to achieve success yet again in this day and age.

but i can notice ?the blues? could be written for some Axl?s Pal, no one knows yet the true meaning of its lyric!, if you analyze every word you can notice it was done for Izzy only, it sounds like a love song but it might be a sad song for a good mate who won't go away from Axl's mind always, ...somehow I guess Axl wrote it to be excused by Izzy after all this time? :yes: !, the blues isn't a song for lovers, it just talks 'bout 2 friends who were separated by their fame n' ego

Thats right , nobody does know!!



Nevermind , I guess you know the answers afterall!!!

Your interpretation of the blues starts now!!

You might be one to something AxlRoseVen, perhaps The Blues is written towards Izzy, we wont really know until the album is out and the red head has spoken.

Alot of people think The Blues has been written in regards to Steph, but my hunch is that it could be a song written for Dylan..but then again I could be wrong.

I dont know just what I should do
Everywhere I go I see you
 :peace:

im sick of you sayin this!!
this song is dedicated to stephany seymour!.. even you  can see her eyes in the concert screen, when they were playing this song

Izzy said in interviews that every couple of years he phones Axls management and leaves a message saying "Its Izzy, just looking for some news. Get in touch if ya want".... Axl has never replied.

Izzy also rang Axls front door bell then ran away  ;D I need to find that interview again  :rofl:

What da'fuck  ::)  ? that woman just knew how to use Axl's figure to get fame n' money to date!, now Axl knows he lost his time living n' working with her, 1 year ago my friend told me he read a' interview from Rock in Rio 2001 where Axl said to the Brazilian press : 'I wrote a controversial song for Stephanie Seymour which's called Oklahoma!, this sound is gonna be into the new fucking album soon to teach her how to be a good human being!'; has someone heard it already?

i don't believe Izzy phones Axl's management and leaves a message saying "Its Izzy, just looking for some news. Get in touch if ya want! cuz if it was real the guy'd be playing with the new band a time ago  :hihi:


?the blues means Axl won't be happy anymore, no matter what he does he feels the fucking pain just cuz his best Pal ever hates Axl to date when Axl wishes to TURN BACK TIME specially to heal that ill friendship! ...besides Axl doesn't wanna see Seymour these days  :smoking: !!!!, Axl loves Stephanie?s son but she isn't welcome anymore!!!!!!

So, should Axl stop playing SCOM since he don't love Erin anymore? :nervous:

Perhaps. Maybe Axl doesnt play Back Off Bitch anymore because now he loves his grandma : ok:

Some of you actually think The Blues is about Izzy?? :nervous: Thats the craziest thing I've heard on this site yet. Its obvious that its either about Stephanie or some other woman he was obsessed with/in love with. For you to think its about anything other than a woman means you've never really loved someone. :o

so shouldhe just nightrain or brownstone since he ins't flying like an airplane or doing drugs..?? It may be the past but it what he was and keeping your past close keeps you going..

I know, it was just a joking. It's obvious IMO that The Blues is not about Izzy or any other former gnr member.

Since I didn't become a fan of the band until 99, I don't really have any preconceived notions about Axl and Izzy's relationship.  I do, however find Axl's comments during the 2002 tour intriguing because Izzy was mentioned alot and usually in a non-negative manner.  He was mentioned back to back nights in Minneapolis and Fargo, and then the unplugging of the amp story in Boston I think. 

Does anyone else find this sort of weird condsidering the view that Axl is supposed to "hate" the old band members.  Out of the four, Axl definitely likes Izzy the best these days, I would say he hates Duff and Slash, and doesn't even acknowledge that Steven is alive (I shouldn't have either but instead bought Adler's $13 cd earlier this year and am still kicking myself for it). 

I'd still say there's always a 0% chance of any of the old members getting back with Axl, if that's the point of these Izzy-Axl topics.

Part of the reason Axl doesnt despise Izzy is because he left the band gracefully, and isnt part of the GNR partnership. Izzy is on the outside of GNR business decisions. Im not sure Izzy makes any money off GNR except in record sales, unless the partnership includes Izzy's name, and he isnt allowed to vote.

you don't need to think of some woman to feel the love just cuz  too you can get LOVE from your family, girlfriend, pals, etc,  so i see you're the only one who's not been in love yet!, Axl forgave Izzy since the first minute the guy WENT AWAY from the band so that's why Axl's done his best to fix Izzy's mind to get him back to his brotherhood again!, Izzy didn't wanna hear him in 1991 just cuz he thought he could get a lot of millionaire contracts without AXL but Izzy was just right to hit the floor while GNR toured the planet without him!? :hihi:?

You are the weirdest person in the history of GNR forums. :confused:

Hello pot , I'm a kettle .. btw , you're black.  :rofl:


LOL , nah , just kidding.  :peace:

;D  the truth is I study child psychology so that's why i can analyze things easily while you just see things wrong
...Izzy protected Axl many times when they were both tryin' to survive in L.A city those times so I?m very sure that Axl won't forget his honest feelings 'bout Izzy all because of that!  :smoking:

AxlRoseVen,I dont care if you're the top child psychologist in the world or if you're Dr. Phil cruisin a GNR forum. The Blues is not about Izzy, and no spaced out comments from you about psychology is going to change that fact. What on earth makes you think its about Izzy? I'll be waiting patiently for your psych analysis! :hihi: Oh yeah, Good one Saul!! : ok: :beer:

Once again James: How the fuck do you know? You speak as if what you are saying is the gospel truth? I am not saying that I think its about Izzy at all, but dont jump on other peoples opinions all the time. They are only opinions thats all, I personally believe that the song may be about Steph or Erin, but I dont know that for sure. Maybe we will find out when the album comes out, maybe not. But why be so rude towards others about there opinion when you just constantly post statements as if they are fact rather than your opinion. You along with all of us know very very little about the band or what is happening! Lets all just stick to respecting each others opinions and discussing the ever increasing rumours and eventually celebrating the release of the album together, instead of being so agressive all the time!

estranged33, you didn't know that all my opinions were facts? Where have you been? :hihi: I was just surprised that someone thought the song was about Izzy. Ive heard the equally insane theory that its about the breakup of old GNR, but hadn't heard anyone mention it being about Izzy. Its obvious that the song is about a woman. Which woman its about I have no idea. It might not be about Erin or Steph, it could be some woman he became obsessed with later on.  I was critical of RoseVen because he's a strange character here, and gets little insults into his posts without alot of people noticing. I guess he's so good at doing that because he studies child psychology. :hihi:

Estranged33 i see you've been a real gnr fan from the start, you're very intelligent to analyze GNR n? lyrics so that's why i wanna shared this with you: It?s not so fucking easy to admit other persons are right ?bout something but in the end everybody gotta face things to try to fix?em, if not so it's better to run away at least? ?:hihi: !
... you can notice many times the reason why the blues might talk ?bout Izzy :


And it hurts too much to see you?
(no matter how much Axl tries to call Izzy he knows Izzy? ?
won't speak to him again )
And how you left yourself behind
You know I didn't want to be you? ?? ? ?
(Axl explains him he just tried to show him the right way how to be a GNR member so Axl didn't wanna crontol izzy's mind really but Izzy's gone already to show him that)
Now there's a hell I can't describe? ??

So now I wander through my day?
(although Izzy took another way Axl made the choice to continue in the band
tryin' to discover another kind of road without his best pal, sadly :'(? ?)
Trying to find my way? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ?
Still these feelings that I felt? ? ? ? ? ??
(Axl means he just said his top secrets to Izzy, no one else will know 'bout'em,Izzy? ?
seemed to be the one to understand Axl 'till the bitter end)
I said to you and no one else ? ? ? ? ? ?

the guy was the only one to hear Ax when he needed him most to tell his top secrets, Izzy was the only man to support Axl when the guy didn?t have 1 US$ to eat in L.A city in 1980, Izzy was the only one to understand Axl n? his fears where no one seemed to give a damn ?bout!, Axl n? izzy shared their food for years when they didn?t think to get a millionaire contract to change their fucking lives!, Axl never hided his true shame n? tears to share his creepy pain with Izzy,so jameslofton29 do ya think Axl?s not a human being to wish to rescue that kind of brotherhood then just cuz he's a powerful celebrity forever   :o :(   ?   the problem was the tables have turned when Izzy felt powerful to leave GNR away while Axl/The Band begged him to stand by them but anyway Axl still retains an amount of repect towards Izzy on a personal level, not only as on a musical level. They went to bloody school together after all and made the big leagues together side by side, so jameslofton29 it's time for ya to see the patience video to understand how much those guys supported each other those days! :'(
... Axl won?t stop writing song for Izzy cuz a true pal can?t kill a brotherhood easily !!!!!? ?:no:

well I think the Blues will have to remain open to interpretation until it's stated by Axl
I guess thats what art is all about and thats great  - every one brings their own interpretations to the table

btw, apparently dave-gnfnr2k has a psyche degree as well so there you go  :yes:

personally , I'd be shocked if the blues is about a dude .. any dude!!  :o

 ;D

Im sorry but The Blues is NOT about Izzy. Its just ridiculious.. come on. AxlRoseVen.. this is what you said about the song.


And it hurts too much to see you
(no matter how much Axl tries to call Izzy he knows Izzy   
won't speak to him again )

Axl doesn't call Izzy. And wtf do you mean Izzy wont speak to him again? They talked in 2000. Izzy calls him everyonce ina while to see whats up and Axl chooses not to respond.

And how you left yourself behind
You know I didn't want to be you         
(Axl explains him he just tried to show him the right way how to be a GNR member so Axl didn't wanna crontol izzy's mind really but Izzy's gone already to show him that)

The right way how to be a GN'R member? Axl didn't wanna crontol izzy's mind really but Izzy's gone already to show him that? You know.. I see you around the forums critizing people's English.. but at least you can comprehend what they say. Your sentences are a jumble. Once again.. your explination doesn't make much sense. Axl knew he didn't wanna be Izzy? ...yeah..

Now there's a hell I can't describe     
So now I wander through my day 
(although Izzy took another way Axl made the choice to continue in the band
tryin' to discover another kind of road without his best pal, sadly :'(   )


GN'R without Izzy was hell? Thats why the old band continued for 4 years without him just fine? Thats why Axl and his new band were having so much fun in the '02 tour? Thats why Axl always speaks of Izzy right? Why he didnt really show concern that Izzy showed up to his house? Hm... and about Axl "wandering through his day".. that definitly has to do with Izzy!

Trying to find my way                           
Still these feelings that I felt             
(Axl means he just said his top secrets to Izzy, no one else will know 'bout'em,Izzy   
seemed to be the one to understand Axl 'till the bitter end)

One again.. you just seem to be forcing your own meaning into the song. Your not really making sense. Trying to find his way and still thinkin about feelings he felt means he told izzy his "top secrets"? Izzy understood Axl till the bitter end? *clueless look*  :hihi:

I said to you and no one else           
the guy was the only one to hear Ax when he needed him most to tell his top secrets, Izzy was the only man to support Axl when the guy didn?t have 1 US$ to eat in L.A city in 1980, Izzy was the only one to understand Axl n? his fears where no one seemed to give a damn ?bout!, Axl n? izzy shared their food for years when they didn?t think to get a millionaire contract to change their fucking lives!, Axl never hided his true shame n? tears to share his creepy pain with Izzy,so jameslofton29 do ya think Axl?s not a human being to wish to rescue that kind of brotherhood then just cuz he's a powerful celebrity forever :o :( ? the problem was the tables have turned when Izzy felt powerful to leave GNR away while Axl/The Band begged him to stand by them but anyway Axl still retains an amount of repect towards Izzy on a personal level, not only as on a musical level. They went to bloody school together after all and made the big leagues together side by side, so jameslofton29 it's time for ya to see the patience video to understand how much those guys supported each other those days! :'(
... Axl won?t stop writing song for Izzy cuz a true pal can?t kill a brotherhood easily !!!!!   :no:

Can anyone read and understand that? your saying Axl is begging Izzy back but Izzy wont talk to him?  :hihi: Whatever man. Jameslofton.. im in total agreement with you. Its almost certainly about a woman. And its 100% not about Izzy. Jesus.. I dont even understand how that came up

GNR was hell without Izzy cuz they needed him most that time while they were touring the fucking planet, even Axl?s been missin? him up since then so that's why Axl showed that old pic in the don't cry video, why do you think Axl wrote : 'where's izzy' there when they all knew the guy went away from the band forever? Axl just did that to show he'll never get izzy off his memories anyway!, it's so very hard to understand Axl n' Izzy were born to be pals n? celebrities at the same time? >:(? ???

...They?re both like Lennon n? McCartney? 8)? ?

I never said I didn't think they used to be pals. But your basing almost all of your "Axl misses Izzy and thinks GN'R--- no.. life is hell without him" theory on a music video from '91! It just doesn't make too much sense to me.

And its not like I think Axl and Izzy hate each other now.. I just think they've moved on. They both respect each other.. and likely have a mutual understanding. And thats it. Even best pals have to seperate.

Look.. I tell you what.. If Axl someday says The Blues was inteneded for Izzy I'll bow down to your feet. Lol. Or even if Axl says he thinks about Izzy alot and misses him.

And im sorry if I kinda bashed you in my last post. It was disrespectful. I love you brother  :love:

    -jack

Foreigners...

Yet another post, where this jackass makes absolutely no sense.

...hey vasoline73, don?t worry ?bout your last post, at least u?re very brave to reply at posts on this forum!,?something tells me Axl n' Izzy might mend GNR again no matter what Slash, Adler n' Duff try to do to destroy the band again, deep own inside those guys beg Axl to get into the band over n' over !, ?somehow Axl  n? Izzy were born to shake this fucking world!, every song they wrote together they?re masterpieces that hit the fucking show business for life  8) !

Foreigners, well man, I dont know if this site belongs to a special country... there is people around the world...
Dont you think you are being too rude?

someday electricmage will say he n' Izzy belong to the same planet cuz they both come from the stars!  :P

Didnt Izzy leave the band cuz he was tired of all the Axl antics ie showing up late for shows, ending sets abruptly, a couple of times cutting off izzy in mid songs while he was singing cuz of a fan who might have had a camera or something wrong wtih technical shit and im the biggest advocate for wanting these 2 to get back together but even in 2002 with the late arrivals axl had he still didnt learn from his past all the more reason izzy might not wanna come back even if axl wanted to himself.

Cheers mate  ;)

izzy stradlin was the brains of gnr

yeah, Slash n' Duff got lost when they saw Izzy goin' away for life cuz they knew no one could write amazing songs like Izzy, that's why a part of the blues says :

what I thought it's beautiful
It?s only memories
Oh...!!!

it means Izzy will not support Axl n' the band anymore, either the guy won't write another song to them  :-\

axls dragged old gnr threw the mud, who'd want to be part of that :rant:

What the fuck are you on about? Muppet!

here i found out a' old report 'bout Izzy in 1998, it said the guy left GNR just cuz his ex-mates were outta control usin' a lot of drugs n' alcohol in 1991 but anyway you can read it here   :confused: :   


After Izzy got rich n' famous he left the band just to keep his mind clean then?  Oh c'mon Izzy! we're fans n? not real fools to believe your cheap interview, you left gnr just to make oppression for axl!  ::) 

"I needed to get out of L.A. for my own sanity," Stradlin recalled. "I was tired of the whole scene. I didn't move there as a junkie. I became one in L.A. It came with the turf."

Hey Izzy after readin? this so you didn?t have to be a rock star, you just had to be a teacher working for a kinder garden!  :hihi:

Hey ven, you're the most inconditional Axl defender, that's a fact. But couldn't you be more objective when you start a thread like this.
Finally how the hell we know about these people lives? in the end we just happen to read interviews or stories involving them, that's pretty different from knowing someone.

?? :smoking: Of course we can!, the celebrities MUST show out n' face the fucking press to deny lies or rumors but when shocking interviews or scandals are rulin' the NEWS while the celebrities get in silence so it shows that crap is TRUTH!, ? did ya learn from me how to notice when u're readin' lies from now on??

Should they care about what people say about? i think not. Someone paying some much attention of what critics says or trying to deny rumours would go nuts in the end.

Should they give explanations to us when we've been spending our money n' time on them? I know YES!!!!!!  :hihi:  , You can't be a celebrity  just cuz you get a lot of money from the public while you don't wanna speak to them a word 'bout yourself , if you wanna be rich n' famous so you just sell your private life to the world always!, that's the way the show business works!  8)

It's up to you if you want to spend money and time, especially the last one. No one is forcing to do so.
There's is not such a thing like a celebrity manual which you have to read and follow its rules. Would be so boring to live thinking like that.

y'know what?!...they do force to us to do that, their fucking stuff is very expensive n' hard to get always so they rule our minds with their TRICKS so we go out n' buy their tickets/t-shirts/albums,etc (actin' like real jerks) while they get at their homes drinkin? n' havin' fun all because of? we gave to them our money EASILY so that's why the press gotta catch'em like real foxes just to show us what the hell they're doin' privately ! ...Izzy bashed gnr fans when he went away with no a decent word to say BYE BYE for life!, Axl had to face the press in Venezuela in 1992 to answer why Izzy's gone while the baby was takin' a' eternal vacation around the globe!,? this is fair then? ?? >:(?

;D I picture Axl dressed up as an old ugly witch with braids doing a conjuring for little kids like Ven, Eugene and all the members in the HTGTH forum just to make up our minds in order to buy more and more.

What the fuck has this thread turned into? I mean I think I am quite a deep thinking dude and I enjoy reading thoughtful posts! But this is becoming a headfuck now! Mike

if ur cheap story is true so share with us that picture then!  ::)  ...i guess you can admit that Izzy won't have the same fame without Axl/GNR anymore, maybe that's why the u.s.a press doesn't care 'bout the guy these days!, either no one is gonna know who's Izzy today cuz he killed his amazing past since he's gone away from gnr  :-\ 

well that happened those days but from now on Izzy will have to beg Axl n' the new band to come back with GNR   :-\

Axl has no respect for Izzy and the rest of the members now and Izzy's never gonna beg Axl to come back.

 

I think you're wrong about that, he might be living low-profile but he will always be remembered as a great songwriter who had the balls to leave GN'R at the peak of their success and has made really great solo albums after that. Not in the spotlight but as the silent genius so to speak.

although Axl hates slash, duff n' adler right now the guy does miss Izzy up more than ever, remember izzy was the one to care 'bout axl when the rest of the members were drinkin' n' gettin' fun that time so how can ya be sure that izzy won't BEG axl to come back to the new band someday?...there's something called money that makes you humiliated yourself when you need it most so izzy isn't so rich today n? the guy is gonna need a safe job sooner or later!?

You're crazy you know that.

First of all no way Izzy is ever gonna be in GN'R again, he said in 2001 he has no problem with a reunion gig but he's never gonna be in GN'R again on tour etc. he loves his freedom to much. Izzy is never ever gonna beg Axl for anything, especially not to be in a band with a bunch of clowns! Wake up! It's not gonna happen. Axl doesn't miss Izzy, Izzy has tried many times to contact Axl and he would refuse every time.

And last of all Izzy is retired, he doesn't need to release albums or tour to get money! His guitarist said this when he was asked about Izzy going on tour. Only reason he's releasing albums is cause he likes to write and record music for fun and for himself, we're just lucky we're getting to hear those albums.

there's a tv program called the true Hollywood story by the e-entertainment channel, it shows many celebrities who's said they're rich n' famous for life they have had to face the shocking truth in the end working every kind of job to get some money to survive day per day so you know...the show business is like a monster who makes you powerful to reach the sky but itself eats you like a simple piece of bread sooner or later so izzy might face the same too!? ??

that's the problem right there! You shouldn't listen to that crap. Izzy has no money problems, hell before he left GN'R he looked at his back acount first to see if he could retire!

r ya sure? What 'bout Ozzy Osborne? a long long time ago he was richer than Izzy but in 2001 he n' his family didn't have money to buy a cheap hot dog in L.A city so that was the right time for them all to act on a humiliating TV show on MTV just to have a place to sleep at least really   ?:hihi: ,? so you mustn't trust the show business cuz you've never been there before? ?

You're seeing ghosts! Axl and Izzy have by far made the most money of all the GN'R members, Izzy didn't wasted tons of money on studios or working on an album or something. Also you do know that all the GN'R members still earn a lot of money from album sales etc.?

Now I'm gonna leave this thread forever cause I don't think my heart can take it much longer

Also you do know that the same happened to many rock stars who woke up in the morning to notice they didn't have a coin to buy the news paper?

...all the GN'R members still earn a lot of money from album sales = ok u're right but what 'bout those millionaire taxes that they gotta pay to the u.s.a law every year then? in the u.s.a the more you get money the more you gotta pay it back to their government so that's why you can't stop working anyway over there but if you did so you'd hit the floor SOON!   :hihi:  ,  now do you notice the difference ?  :smoking:

To learn more about why Izzy left gnR, there are plenty of articles on Izzy's fansite where he addresses that specific issue.  But to summarize it, he was sick of touring and wanted to play simple rock n roll.  No orchestra, no 15 back up singers, etc.  he thought the illusion albums were overproduced and the end result was he could barely hear his guitar parts on the finished product.

not to mention Axl tryed to get him to sign a contract where he'd be paid less money

I honestly cannot believe this thread is still going. Who cares anymore?!

vasoline, you took the words right out of my mouth. :beer: Definitely the most pointless thread in the history of the net. :confused: It should have been locked when people started saying The Blues was about Izzy.

mmmm its about izzy :P

LOCKED :rant:

 :-\    Axl did beg izzy to stay many times before but the guy said he had to leave the band in 1991 so anyway izzy didn't hear anyone just to go away while GNR had to face the press around the world to explain 'bout it, that situation almost destroyed GNR those creepy moments  :confused:

after GNR came back in 2001 Izzy couldn't wait to say something 'bout, anyway here you can find this interesting report where u'll get so fucking surprised of readin?' his shocking words!  :o 





original source by : Hard Rock magazine-JUNE 2001

This interview took place cause he was PROMOTING HIS RIVER ALBUM

Shocking my ass, he was asked a simple question and gave a simple answer.

GNR came back in 2001 while Izzy had to promote his ?river album? right there do ya think it's a simple causality then  :-\ ? c?mon, a little kid who's 5 years old can understand easily that Izzy just wanted to get a BIG PUBLICITY from Axl/GNR in 2001  ::)

Man you are fucking impossible to understand. First you go on about how the Blues is about Izzy and how him and Axl are grieving soul mates, now you say Izzy was trying to steal Axl/GnR's spotlight almost 5 years ago to promote his solo album? Um no...Izzy has tried to distance himself from all things GnR since he quit for christ's sake, he's an accomplished solo artist, he doesnt need a former bandmate's publicity to spread the word about his own album. Axl/GnR questions are innevitable to be asked of Izzy just as they are with Slash and Duff, the only difference is Izzy is extremely neutral when it comes to the bands demise and really isnt gunna sugarcoat his interepretation for Axl's sake or your's AxlRoseVen :no:

Ive kept quiet during this ridiculous thread, Ive enjoyed watching half of you make complete jackasses out of yourselves with your stupid comments but that is possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read.

How can you say Izzy was trying to promote River through GNR's big publicity? Exactly what publicity is this?

In 1998 Izzy released 117 Degrees
In 1999 Izzy released Ride On
In 2001 Izzy released River
In 2002 Izzy released On Down The Road

He was putting out one album every year or so, it had fuck all to do with GNR. He was making albums and distributing them.

Izzy Stradlin even DROPPED ALL PROMOTION for the 117 Degrees album because every fucking prick like you only cared about his GNR days, the fact he took drugs.... Izzy couldnt give a shit about GNR.

As for Izzy begging Axl to let him re-join GNR again, what the fuck? You are all saying Izzy is now poor... where do you think the "Pretty Tied Up" line came from 'I just found a million dollars, that someone forgot'. Izzy and his accountant actually misplaced a cheque for $1,000,000 - thats how fucking rich the guy is!

AxlRoseVen, what an amazing Interview, honestly after that, -- and if All that is true -- Its sad that we give as much attention to Axl Rose as we do...  And Certainly Izzy is the man of Guns n Roses.

I think we flock to Axl not just because of his tragic flaws, the voice, or the talent because he is so intriguing and mysterious, we simply must know what direction he is taking his project (if ever) ever second of everyday. Your right in my opinion, that Izzy was and will always be the man of GnR, he's just so down to Earth and uneffected by past glory that we cant analyze and perhaps relate to him as much as Axl.

You know guys, something cool about Izzy? ... He doesnt live in the clouds like some other rock star we worship  ::)

 ::)? ? do ya remember that Canadian guy(Corey Haim)who was a Hollywood Star? Well? he was richer than every GNR member cuz he broke into the Film industry in 1984 as a young child caught up in a family war in the hit movie Firstborn (1984) (when the gnr members had no 1 US$ to eat) The following year he starred in the TV movie _A Time To Live (1985) (TV), for which he received an award, and Silver Bullet (1985). Lucas(1986) , in which he starred alongside Charlie Sheen showed his ability, but was not a big hit.

In 1987 he had a breakthrough when he played one of the major roles in 'Joel Schumachers' ?s Lost Boys (1987), ? but his output during the nineties was disappointing. He hopes to turn his career around with two newly finished movies without Malice (2000) and? Universal Groove (2001) and there is a chance of a role in the much-rumoured ?Lost Boys? sequel. BUT TODAY the guy has no a cheap car, either he doesn't have a' American visa to work decently over there while the show business wasted him like dirty underclothesa long long time, so someday Izzy might roam around L.A city tryin? to find a piece of bread to eat just cuz :? ?:hihi:? The show business uses you n? kicks you out when you have nothing to show on TV,...(since 1998) when izzy produced their albums he understood he just wasted his money n' time cuz Axl isn't by his side anymore, this is so hard to understand then? ? ?:-\

Did we just get a bio/filmography on Corey freaking Haim?

The sublime has officially reached the ridiculous.....

What the fuck :hihi:

I am officially boycotting this thread.

Are you just saying they are still freinds? WTF

Izzy has had his share of Fame and Fortune. He's done with it. He's not in VR, he's not coming back to GnR. End of story. Axl has very little contact with him anymore (according to your interview there). They are not freinds anymore other than in the most casual sense of the word.

Come on Ven, stop giving nonsense facts and making threads just to attract attention. Like you have done in other boards.

This topic needs a (http://splitsecond.com/graphics/padlock.jpg)

Although Corey isn?t Yankee he ruled the Hollywood industry, he was richer than Izzy before GNR got reach n' famous, Corey could be richer than ex GNR members to date but the guy has no money to give n' waste right now all cuz of the show business always needs another cute face to sell out (THIS IS THE POINT) so can you analyze that Izzy shall be there TOO someday if the guy doesn't produce a good album soon? ...C?mon mates, it?s time for Izzy to forgive Axl all at once! or this situation might destroy Straddling sooner or later  :confused:

 Either God or Jarmo needs to lock this thread.  :confused:

This thread leaves a taste that is bitter sweet.. that is called the blues.....

It tastes good..dont it?!