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not sure if this qualifies, but here is what i think happened:

i think velvet revolver really affected axl. i think their success bothered him, and threw him off-track. if everything in the world was right, axl would have release this album already. but i really think VR threw a monkey wrench into Axl's thought process, so things were wrong and thats why the delays.

does VR still bother him? tough answer, but i totally believe VR put some speed bumps in Axl's road. we might never see this album, b/c quite frankly, axl is too self-conscious.

I wonder how long it will take for this to turn into a GNR vs VR thread?  ::)

It already is GNR-VR. Not a good "theory". You should change the title of the thread. When I saw it, I thought you would discuss the things that have happened since 2000. Instead, its a lame attempt at trying to start GNR vs VR shit.

jameslofton....you're the only poster on here that is truly annoying....dont you have a life?


im not trying to start anything regarding gnr vs vr...its a theory about axl's reaction to VR. i could care less in comparing the two bands. you CANNOT really compare them.

this is about axl's reaction to vr.

I think the only effect VR had on GN'R was that some members sued Axl....





/jarmo

Why would VR bother Axl? I think slash and duff suing axl had a bigger effect than anything since I think slash said back in the day that axl always put all his efforts into the times he was sued.

there is no doubt in my mind that VR effected GNR. after a million years of delays and everything, when you are finally ready to put an album out, you need the right time to do it. VR had a huge album, and competing against that would be tough. i believe that axl is waiting for the wave to settle down a little bit, then hit the public with his record.

Yep absolutely. Axl is in the fight of his creative life right now.

This is a good point. ?If Axl is worried about losing control over his income and rights to the GN'R catalogue, he's not gonna be able to give CD the time and effort I think we expect - which would be 100%. ?This court case is going to have to be finalized before any announcement for Cd will be made IMO. ?I just hope Slash and Duff drop the frivolous lawsuit attacking Axl for stealing their royalties.

Why would Axl be concerned with a shitty half-assed album?

About 7 post coondog.

hehe, You re right man

VR has nothing to do with Axl not releasing an album. That all rests on Axl's shoulders. If these new rumours that speculate a Spring release are true, VR's new album's target release is also in the Spring. So if VR was the hold up on Axl's new album he would not target it for the Spring. He isnt stupid and i guarentee he checks up on to what those guys are doing so i am sure he is aware that the new VR album is due in the Spring. I actually think it will totally rock if they are released close to each other. It would be great to watch VR and GnR compete (hopefully) at the top of the charts like Guns and Leppard did back in 88-89. : ok:

But you forgot about CD bieng delayed at around that point...

that I believe is the MAJOR development with an effect on Axl's life / career.

While it is all speculation and we can?t know for sure, I wouldn?t at all be surprised if VR?s success had an impact on Axl. It would be like if your ex-girlfriend and some guy you sort of knew around school were voted prom queen and king.   

Yeah right, so why doesn`t he release CD now? If this theory was true, now would be the perfect timing. So what is Axl waiting for - a second VR album maybe? In my opinion he doesn`t give a fuck about  anyone. He will release CD when he feels like it, or if he feels like it.

it is an interesting point.  I think it certainly would have affected axl - lawsuits and all!  whether he is content in the fact that when CD comes out it he feels there is no comparison between VR and GnR and the delay is a culmination of many factors - or perhaps it has affected him to see the guys out there and making a big splash musically again.

Maybe axl is happy they have done so well and is looking even more forward to showing them who the true boss is again tho!

If VR and GNR both release next year - it will be IMMENSE.  :hihi:

I rather suppose it might scare the nightlight out of Axl if the three ex-guns together couldn't make any success at all.  :P Or maybe he wouldn't give a fart either way.

I think Axl would like to release CD at the same time VR releases a new album.  I sure as hell would be anything GnR before VR

This is just my opinion, but I believe Axl could give a rats-ass about VR, or how successful VR is.  hell, for all we know, he could be a fan of them. :P  I think the delay is about Axl trying for perfection, which in this day in age is very admirable.  Quality over quantity. : ok:

Aye!  :D

I remember that in an interview done in the last march slash did say that  Axl was seeking to release the album simultaneously with theirs (contra) for certain. well I'm uncertain about how much he was sure.  if it was true then, it may be coming true this time.

Wel, Axl better hurry because the way things are going VR will have their second album out before CD comes out.

I do think that it has bothered Axl.  The guy has been working hard how many years now on Chinese Democracy?  Then Slash, Duff, and Matt come along and throw something together in a short amount of time.  They release an album and win a grammy, go multi-platinum, and I assume (from comparing reports of shows from here) sell essentially the same amount of tickets for shows that GNR did on their 2002 tour. 

Nevermind the quality of the music, as that debate will get us nowhere and the so original "Britney Spears sells out shows, sells millions of albums" argument.  It has to bother him that they have done this by just throwing something together in a short period of time with nowhere near the effort that he has put into his album.

I compare it to being in school.  You study hard for an exam and your friend (or enemy) studies the day of the exam and either mirrors your success or surpasses it.  It is frustrating to anyone. 

There are two hypotheses: (1) some event, unknown to the fans, happened; or (2) no one in the GNR camp knows what he is doing.

My opinion is that something happened, although since we never get any hard news from GNR management who really knows ?what ?it was. I don't think it was the rise of VR or the release of Contraband, because those events occurred too late in the timeline. The question is not why was CD not released in 2005, but rather, why was it not released in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, or early 2004, before VR made it big. I have no idea what the "event" (or "events") was/were, or maybe Axl is just plain lazy

On the other hand, there is evidence for hypothesis 2 as well. We know that CD was musically finished in 1999, according to a news posting on this site a few days ago. From that point, we know that there was an (aborted) ?attempt at a comeback tour in 2002, which was intended to put GNR back in the spotlight and headlines. Therre were promises of a summer 2003 release and being on the road for a long time. Then, nothing. The band dropped off the face of the earth for 3 ?years, with only a brief letter to the media in the interim indicating that Buckethead ?had left the band. That chronology of events makes no sense--I mean, who would do that?

Bottom line: who really knows ?what goes in GNR land?

well? i don`t think that VR bothered axl in any way. (i`m not talking about lawsuits now....)

at most, contraband stimulated axl to make it better. i mean velvet revolver weren`t that succesful. the music wasn`t great (imo) and it didn`t sell that good. it might did better in the USA than it did here in germany, but if i wouldn`t have been interested in slash, duff and matt i probably wouldn`t even have noticed them.

I think that VR didnt affect on Axl in anyway that it would effect on CD in anyway. they are not in high school anymore he can deal with it if theres anything to deal with! :-X

Axl has never criticized the talent of his former band members.  The musical differences they had were not due to anyone's doubting anyone's talents - it was about a difference of musical direction.  Slash/Duff direction, as it turns out was/is VR.  We have, based on what we have thus far heard/seen of the new GN'R, only an indication of what Axl's is.

i think vr helped bring out gnr more.. They did interviews all over the globe and the name ex gnr members and radio tv interviews with mentiones of gnr in some way were said.. So in all this definetly helped the gnr name.. it was more mainstream that it has been in a few years..

i think the album isn't out because it isn't.

mmm I absolutely agree when you say, Vr helped brining Gnr name again... and that is certainly because, SLASH, is gnr boys...  now... That has obviously nothing to do with this topic...

VR is not helping bring GNR name again. If anything, it's defacing it with that wannabe rock singer.

but back to the topic:
I think the best statement made in this entire thread is that "I think the album isn't out because it isn't"

We might find out all the answers some day, but for now........

because you don't like scott doesn't make him some wanna be rock singer.. The man had huge success doing his own thing with stp..

to say vr beuing around didn't help is crazy.. Vr did interviews from the usa to south america all over europe and the gnr name always came up..

That would be like saying lars n kirk did a huge tour and them beiong around didn't help the name metallica get heard more..