Here Today... Gone To Hell!

i dont know if this a dead horse type useless topic, but im gonna ask anyway.

When Axl is an old(er) man many years from now and he is thinking about the past, what will his feelings be towards the first generation of GNR? Ya ya ya, I know that there will still probaby be a lot of animosity between the members and such, but when he reflects on that era, will he be proud of it? Will he feel some sort of hostility towards it? He seems so upset and angry with everything about the original band, I was just wondering what he feels about the good times, and the impact that the band had. Would he be proud of the music they created?

Of course he's proud of it! Hell, most musicians would have given their right arm to have been a part of Appetite For Destruction. Even if the personal relationship between Axl and Slash is shit, I still think Axl really respects him as a guitarplayer. Slash still is one of the greats, and you would be crazy to say anything else..

So now we're reading Axl's mind....

We really need some news to talk about

hehe You are right man, I can't believe, why, there are still "topics" to talk about after all these years...  Honestly You have talked about almost everything in the GNR world...

Hey why is the Slash/Axl "shit"? What happened? I never knew

 :peace:

"He's up my ass, there's where Slash is!" - Axl Rose 2002

Slash and Axl love each other and can't admit it.  Well, at least Axl can't.  They are the divorced couple that never got over each other.  They can only reach their peak potential with each other.  They bring out the best in each other.  Sweet Child, Coma, Estranged.  They were the Plant/Page of our era.  Its really sad.

Lets give Axl some time to prove himself before we start making statements like this.  When the album drops, and the press and tour starts, then we can judge.

IF the album drops.. :nervous:

So true. And IMO they were even better than Robert and Jimmy.  :'(

I agree.  They are just two dynamic characters that were pretty unbeatable.  Just look at the live at the Ritz DVD at how the two command so much attention and perform with so much power and actually shared the same stage.  They were awesome.  I think CD can be great without Slash.  My only point is that Weiland can't be Slash's Axl and Fink can't be Axl's Slash.  They will both have hits, but those two together is almost unbeatable.

Did Slash ever respond to that?!?!  ???

one day when he gets older he will see how stupid all this shit was and learn to accept other people's feelings.. I think he will look back and love his work with the old gnr the one that made them famous and wish it never ended... he might be the type of guy that later in life will say what a great fucking thing that was ruined.. usually when people get older they se how fucking stupid their egos were and learn to compromise and forgive along with forget..

When he's older? He is older. The only time he may reflect is if CD is a disaster and even then, he'll still think the same. I'm still glad the original GNR broke up. They would have gone down hill fast.

*thinks of snakepit... shudders*

I'm tired of hearing this shit about 'Snakepit' being the next GNR album after TSI. If Axl would've used Slash's riffs on the album, it would've been a completely different album. The lyrics would have been different, and most of the music as well. You guys saying Snakepit would've been the next GNR record is just an excuse for this long wait.

James, calm down dude. I wasn't saying that. What I meant was that if the band had gone in the direction of Snakepit, it would have been awful. Hell, if they went in the direction of some of the music on UYI it would have been horrible, out of touch and boring.

The big reason there wasn't another album is the reasons you mention: like changing the lyrics and music to snakepit.  They were going in different directions.  I think that's a good thing.

don't think so...

 MisterID,I agree it wouldn't have been a great direction to go in. They needed to do something that they hadn't done before. I think doing a grunge record would have been a mistake also. They would have been seen as trend followers. I've said this before, and people think I'm insane, but I think GNR should have done something like Slayer's 'Seasons in the Abyss' album. From the moment I heard it, I thought GNR could have taken the speed metal genre to a new level. Axl has the voice(and the scream) that would be suited for that type of music. Slayer came within a "hair's breadth" of bringing that style of music to the mainstream. GNR could have stunned the world with an album similar to 'Seasons'. It would have been a great album to counteract the grunge movement.    : ok:

Many years from now, as we still await CD (20 years hence), Axl MAY (OR MAY NOT), think: why did I waste my productive years and not release 2-4 albums of new material and  make an impact on the music world instead of fading into obscurity and becoming an icon of ridicule?

I happen to think snakepit was fucking awesome.. Slash played his ass off on that album.. I agree with what james said.. It seems like the people who side with axl on almost everything or hate VR always bash snakepit and say oh thank god they broke up or we'd have snakepit..  You didn't have to like eric dover or rod jackson but to act like the instrumentals weren't good is crazy..

You can never say what would have happened because you never know... It could have had a real rock edge with some big ballads.. Who am I kidding if axl sang on the fucking thing alot more people would have just liked it from this forum..
it's very common if  aband splits people take sides and only seem to enjoy the music their side plays.. So if axl was on even some vr songs like dlt, ygnr, lta or maybe slither people would change their tune..

When one groups stays together you get true opinions, when you get one group split how many times awaiting some album that never appears while ex mates continue to wait you get hate and excuses..

well  i`m definitely one of the people here who are actually on axl`s side and i don`t like contraband, but not because slash and duff aren`t in gnr anymore, but of it`s boring sound and scott`s voice. i don`t hate slash and duff. i think they`re two of the coolest guys ever, but the music they are making now, is crap. by the way i love it`s five o`clock somewhere, but i don?t want it to be a gnr album.    and your right. if axl sang on slither or ygnr i`d change my tune on those songs, but i wouldn `t call them great, because axl is singing. imo axl`s voice makes songs better than they actually are.

the point is that i don`t dislike anything slash and duff are doing, because i "have" to be on axl`s side, like many "axl fans" are doing. i just don`t like what they`re doing at the moment. and that doesn`t apply for slash`s snakepit for example.

see that is exactly how I feel about a bunch of the new gnr tunes.. I'd like them if they weren't gnr tunes..

I like elton john but I don't want elton type music under the gnr name.. I am not saying it is at all that was just an example..

We all have different views on what or how gnr should be.. At least in a rocking way..

I loved metallica for who they were, not them using an orchestra..

When you love the illusions and escpecially afd then you hear riyad or silkworms you just don't feel the same..

Mike, I will never forget when Metallica did that orchestra shit. They were never the same after doing that, although they had already started to suck before doing orchestra. With Metallica, their fans never expected anything like that, so they were quickly labeled as 'sellouts'. But with Axl, he has always been a risk taker(well, he used to be), and the GNR fanbase has more of an open mind. You never knew what to expect from GNR, and I think that remains the case today. Axl can experiment with different styles easily, because his fans expect that.

You know I never thought about gnr as risk takers.. Afd was balls to the walls rock, lies was the club days plus some unplugged music, then the illusions was still kick ass hard rock with some bigger ballads than normal.. But size wise no difference between a free bird, stairway to heaven & thriller or any queen or elton type on the piano ro even motley crue who axl once said about home sweet home..

Sure gnr did it their way but they were also kings of the wordl after a year into afd so this gave them the oppurtunities to change it up a bit..

I look at One in a Million as a big risk out of all the stuff..

I know a hard rock band that did afd could have gotten some shit by doing things like dc estranged or nr but they did these tunes during a time when teh big love songs were huge so even if it wasn't their intensions (being they were written ages before) their timing was perfect.. 90-to about 92 was all big power ballads

Mike, I agree with you about them being at the right place at the right time. Imagine AFD coming out in like 82-83 and UYI coming out in 85-86. Definitely wouldn't have had the same impact. Hell, fast forward a few years and have AFD in 1990 and UYI in 1994.GNR never would have came close to the success they had. 1987 was the perfect time for AFD. There was no clear cut trend going at that time. But I disagree with you about Lies. I think it was a big risk. Remember, Lies came out before being 'Unplugged' became trendy. Doing an acoustic album could have been career suicide. Geffen probably had doubts about releasing it. When you think back to when you first heard AFD, did you imagine their next album would have acoustic songs? 

no man true ... I always looked at one in a million as a huge risk.. Dropping an unplugged album after something like afd was ballsy.. When I look back it just seemed like something to hold the fans over

if the illusions came out in 94 they would have sold very little.. Grunge people  :nervous:

Anyone that needs a perfect example just look when the estranged video came out.. Timing is everything

That makes no sense to me.

The only thing that matters is if a band makes good music. No matter what trend may be going on, good music draws people to it.

Well I want something gnr related to be hard rock.. That's all I was saying.. I don't want axl to make the fragile.. That's why we have different types of music and bands we like..

Mike, you're right about Estranged. That was unbelieveable. 2 years after UYI, and they were still doing videos for it. They were milking a cow that had run out of milk. If memory serves me correct, they were still doing videos for UYI around the time TSI was released. Talk about having fucked up priorities! :hihi:

Naa - Slash is actually pretty mature when it comes down to it.  If he even heard of the remark being made I doubt he gives a shit.

But I do wonder how he feels when fans chant "we want Axl" at Velvet Revolver shows.  Scott Weiland has already shown he can't handle it (i.e. throwing his mega phone at fans in retaliation).