Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I mean, since Richard now has added the new dates with Nena...

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1471

It was speculated during the summer that if Richard decided to do the November/December dates, it would not be likely to see Chinese Democracy this year.

I think it will come out in dec for xmas presents hehe...then axl will spend jan feb march resolving lawsuits and by may, he will kick off the tour and old n new fans will know all the new songs and will go to watch the performance excitedly in the millions hehe...

Well, I really don't know how things work, but if CD is to be released in 2005, how long would it take for them to start touring. I mean, could there be a chance of this happening, and the band start rehearsing in January?

Chinese Democracy is more likely to be released early next year (between Jan and May) then by the end of this year I think.

I think (and hope) we will have the record by the time of Rock in rio 5.

I wouldn't say that your idea is more likely but CD won't come out this year for sure. Only some reality-free persons believed in a late 2005 release after the summer.

let it be, we'll be having the same discussion next year this time around...

Little hope, I think, for a '05 release....very little.

Its not happening this year. I'm surprised that there's still a few people who believe it is. There's always the possibility of some sort of an announcement this year. But there is a zero percent chance of the album's release this year.

The way a record company likes to do something, for example a single, is start issuing promotional versions 6 weeks before it hits the shops. As this is 19th of October, there are 6 weeks until the end of november and other 4 weeks then in december. !0 weeks, even if they dont start pushing promos for single in 2 weeks, there is still time for both. They wouldnt want, to much of a gap between both.

It is highly unlikely, but at least there is a miniscule chance.

Before anyone doubts my time scale, i know this having dealt with record companies on a personal and professional basis.

Nesquick, please drop the fuckin Rock in Rio bullshit, it's old and tiring. It is one concert out of a million possibilities. The only semi official thing we have is Tommy's statement, and we all know how reliable his statements are. We simply know jack shit. :rant: Also, please don't tell me that if it isn't released next year, then it is over. It is already over and has been over to the record buying public since 2003. Nobody cares anymore because the new band is simply 100% completely irrelevant to the music industry in 2005. That is a simple fact. They will become a force again when Axl decides to let go. Until then, he is a relic from the past...... :(

Well, of all the concerts/festivals next year I would say that Rock in Rio 5 is one of the more likely ones we'll see Guns N' Roses... I mean the 'launching' of UYI at RIR 2, the comeback at RIR 3 and they were scheduled at RIR 4..

and at this time next year we will be hoping for Rock in Rio in 2007. The launching pad is near... : ok:

Well.. there shouldn't be anything wrong about being optimistic!

I suppose were just a bunch of fishermen waiting for the big one (Axl) to come to the surface :rofl:

Axl's waiting for the olympics in Beijing 2008! :hihi: He will perform 'Jungle at the opening ceremony, and will close the olympics with Paradise City! A rehashed AFD in China starts in 2008! :hihi:

Luigi, you're absolutely right. But what you dont realize is that we're fishing in a bathtub! :rofl:

lol, yea! your right james and I feel like I'm stuck here with a string tide to my finger (In the dark) ;)

I wasnt hopeful of a 2005 release (although it would be a fucking amazing end to the year for us Guns fans). What I was hopeful of in 2005 and still am is the announcement of an official release date. These silly little things like "Richard adding more nena dates" I cant understand why they are relavent. They surely dont need all the band present to make an annoucement and even if they did I'm sure he would just pull the plug on the German bird and fly back to the nest!

I still say March 29, 2006.  We'll see.  I doubt we'll see it this year.  Maybe a single announcment previous to the end of the year, but we probably wouldn't hear the track itself until January or possibly early February.

Keep in mind, this is all pure speculation on my part.. time will tell.

-darknemus

Your right Estranged33, plus Richard is prob just as much in the dark as us as far as release date.

darknemus, they are going to release it on a Wednesday? ;D

ya and I'm bummed out once again, Darknemus whats your take on the Richard Branson deal and the fashion show?

I agree with Dark on this one. I don't think there's any chance in a late '05 release...more likely a late first/early second quarter release (possibly to coincide with RIR 5 and Da Vinci). Perhaps a tour in Europe/Japan April/May and then a summer tour in the States ???? ?Maybe.


I will say this, however. I think the release of this album is going to be somewhat of a surprise. I'm a believer that GN'R won't need too much time to put the wheels of promotion in motion and that there will be a small window (at least smaller than what most of us expect) between announcements, first single and album. Perhaps the album will drop the same time the first single goes to ads. Take all this into account, I guess 2005 is still possible...yet highly improbable.

1) contrary to you, I'm a positive and optimistic guy. Both for GN'R and in my life. I just can't stand negativity. We all know Axl reads the GN'R boards, i don't think he also likes reading negativity. But it doesn't mean to be blind. It's to be fair. I know as much as you that the GN'R situation right now seems dramatic, but none of us have heard the album yet. I'm sure the quality of the album will shut everybody's up. That's why I stay positive, I believe in the music.
2) No, no, no and no, Rock in Rio is certainely not "one concert out of million possibilities". It's the biggest musical festival in the world. It's a big promotional opportunity for bands playing there. The entire world can see you, it's all over the internet also. Rock in Rio is something BIG.
3) As long as the album isn't out, as long as all the members are still in the band (no departure), the hope remains. I didn't care that much of the Buckethead's departure, I was happy in fact because he hurted the band. His departure was ?agood thing. However, it would be different if Tommy, Richard or Robin left the band. But it isn't the case.

That's not being negative-that is reality. I am sure the album is good and that is why I stay around antagonizing you! People hang there hat on RIR and that, as proved in the past, is a mistake. The album will come out when Axl wants it out.....not for Rio...not for Sanctuary or Geffen, for him. For all we know, he may have no intention of ever touring again. I doubt it but we don't know. If Axl has shown one trait which he continually expresses, it is unpredictability and a lack of rational behavior. If you say x, he says y. ::)

There is hope, look at all thats going on lately if you think about it, the Axl image has surfaced. Its working and some of you don't even know it, the ball is rolling! 

like many estranged said! They dont need Fortus, to make a announcement! Not even to release a single! I guess if things have is going to start soon, (before christmas) that promo pics and stuff like that already have been taken. So, no reason to worry at all! Things happen when they happen.

Just take that bit of Tommys positive spirit on his last newsupdate, and trust that!  : ok:

Tommy's post came on 9-18, over a month ago. So, NYTUNZ, who is coming out first, Tool or Gnr? :P

hehe, well, i to be honest i think that the Tool album will light some spiritual waves before GNR. Maynard said himself in a webchat that it will be out early on the new year! But who knows... Hope they wont be to close, so i have to choose what to listen to  :P

Anyway i belive that the new GNR album is puching against The surface! Remember, it whants to be found! like Gandalf said

i remember you saying that everyone at thenewguns forum could kick you in the balls if it isn`t out in 2005 :hihi:
i`m 99% sure it was you....


well  i don`t know if axl reads the gnr boards.... :peace:

Didn't he (Axl) give a 'hello' to jarmo during one of the 2002 concerts in europe... I'm pretty sure he knows this site quite well!

I actually now believe that the album and tour won't happen in 2006 and I have actually thought about this so let me explain first before I get attacked.  None of these are factual, just my opinions on what will happen. 

1) Robin Finck is tired of waiting.  He has been with the band 8 or 9 years now.  He is an artist and he wants his music to be heard.  He wants recognition for what he has done.  Because of this he gives Axl an ultimatum.  This year or else.  Axl is reluctant, not just because he does not feel it is ready, but because....

2) Richard has decided that he is not ready for a big world tour.  Spending time with this new child and wife are more important to him at this point in his life.  He tells Axl that the timing is just not right and he thanks him for helping him out over the past few years.  Axl then has to find a replacement for him which proves to be difficult.  But he is not the only replacement he has to find...

3) Brain decides that he is also sick of waiting and Buckethead offers him an opportunity to star full time in his band.  He promises actual tours and album releases and while it is not stadiums or arenas, they will still be playing and getting paid.  Because it is 2006 and nothing has happened for so long, he accepts the offer and walks away from Axl with no problems. 

4) Merck himself loses patience with Axl.  He tells him he has held people off long enough, but its now or never.  He reminds Axl that even though he loves what he has done, the bottom line is that this is still business and without his music and the music of others he is out of the job.  The pressure is on.

5) Axl says 'fuck all of you' and scraps work on the album immediately.  He goes off and does whatever he wants to and the release date of this album remains a mystery. 

6) On a positive note, Tommy will stick with him I think.  He is a loyal guy, and is adamant about going through it all with Axl.  I think that Paul Tobias will be brought back into the mix and probably become a full time fixture in GNR moving foward.  There may also be a slight possibility that Axl and Izzy talk to each other and make up.  They have been friends for too long, and Izzy didn't get involved in a lot of the BS that the others did apparently.  He left on his own accord and did not make a scene out of it. 

7) Dizzy will of course be around for Axl.  He has been with the guy since 1990.  He is a GNR member and always will be.

So again, I know this is just another 'negative' post from a 'negative' poster.  But all of these guys are people.   They want recognition and they want people to hear what they have worked hard on for so long.    They have made enough money from Axl so far that if they invested it wisely they can afford to quit the band.  I truly believe that the longer this goes on the more likely people are to walk out on him. 

If you would like to debate these issues that is fine, but I expect some of the same old you know who you are posters to take shots at me without arguing your point. 

Personally, I believe Axl is mustering strength for the trial next month. When that is over, I hope plans for the album take off and he will commit himself to a release and a tour.

I spoke with Richard by e-mail a couple of month ago. The guy just can't wait to tour. He is hungry to get on the road. His baby will born on November, The band won't tour until april, may or june, no musician in the world stops his career because he has a baby. Would you stop working if you have a baby? would you leave your company and say "I have a baby, good bye to all of you, it was a pleasure to work in the company for 10 years, I retire". Come on... that's life. It doesn't make you stop to live. He will probably stay with his family in November, it's important in the begining when you have a baby, then life continues.

They are now giving paternity leaves in many corporations to take off for the same amount of time as a maternity leave.  If this happens at a time when he wants to spend time with it, then sorry but the band does come second. 

And yes I HAVE heard of people qutting because they have had children.  Lots of people in sales positions and other positions who travel a lot decide to quit so that they can spend time with their families.  It is never an easy decision to make because it means that you have essentially given up on your career goals and are sacrificing your professional life for your family life. 

Have you honestly never met anyone in this situation? 

"Personally, I believe Axl is mustering strength for the trial next month. When that is over, I hope plans for the album take off and he will commit himself to a release and a tour."


If that's the case and the man is waiting for the legal troubles to end...then it aint ever coming.

We have to learn to let go of the things we truly love. It most likely isn't coming this year, and maybe it won't next year. But its cool. I have accepted the things I don't have any control over. I want to hear it at least as bad as the biggest nutjob in here. But I want a lot of things. Like, I want my 500U model 50" HD Panasonic Plasma to come this Friday, so I can connect it to my new 7.1 Paradigm sound system, just in time for guy night. But if it doesn't, it will be what it will be. We will just have to have another round of the gas mask instead. You dig where I'm coming from?

Chinese Fucking Democracy. What a tragic fucking shame though if something fucked up was to happen to a real fan before this album comes out. But, we have to live and not worry about this because we don't have control. Its out of our hands...so, we have to live. It'll be alright.

 

Says who? The band could tour anytime after the middle of december.

damn right, Im looking forward to it already!

I like this idea!  Thee is no doubt about some interesting things that have happened over the past couple of months that kind of point at Axl style.  Once we get an announcement though, all hell will break loose.  "The return of the last rock star." 

Oh and on topic, I say March of 06.  Lets just hope for an announcement this year. :beer:

And for a single..... :beer:


If they're giving heed to the event, they should start now.
Again, Chinese lucky number is 8. They can'T and won't miss the year 2006.

Whatever, Tommy's update is telling. I believe in the members.

Nope he's waiting for 2010 winter olympics in Vancouver (to make up for that Riot, lol) and guess what? -2 +0 +10 = 8  :rofl:

I think we'll hear something in Nov or Dec this year ::)

I gotta agree with you on that one, Axl has spent so much time and money on this project, that I seriously doubt he's gunna allow legal ramblings with ex-bandmembers to hinder his comeback, and one hell of an album release.

War41 makes some good points too though..the longer Axl sits on this monstrosity, the greater probability someone in the group could grow restless and decide its just not worth it anymore for whatever reason.

I think its funny no one has really put much stock into a suprise New years Eve gig. If the album cant drop this year, I think its fair and adequite to still expect the unexpected from Uncle Axl, even if it is on a smaller scale.

Richard setting dates with Nena has nothing to do with announcing something by the end of the year.  I'm not saying we will hear something, but if GNR is planning on making some kind of a statement, Richard isn't going to stop that because of a few dates.  I'm under the impression that GNR is meeting up in November to talk.  We may hear something after that.

I'd like to know how Axl will be physically when he comes back. Mentally I don't think we will have a surprise, Axl is Axl, good mood the monday, bad mood the tuesday, MSG type show the wednesday, detroit type show the thursday etc... but physically it will be a real mystery. From RIR 3 to the US'02 tour, he drastically changed. It's been almost 3 years now he has deseapeared... I hope we will see the Classic Axl, the one everybody wants to be back, "Axl The Rockstar" as it was mentionned by an A&R who spot him on a sanctuary office a couple of weeks ago.

No hope for 2005?


Um, no.  None.

I stand corrected, I was looking at the 2005 calendar.  March 28, 2006.  (The last Tuesday in March)

-darknemus

Axl is going to be 44 Years old in February. He is getting to the point he will be thought of as a nostalgic no matter how good the album is and how new the band is. Father time doesn't care what kind of musical genius you are, he is getting old. He needs to shit or get off the pot sooner than later as he ain't getting any younger.

Whatever Axl this guy may have seen, it was way more than a couple weeks ago.

Naupis, please refer to my prior post in this thread. It doesn't matter if it is released this year or 5 years from now. He already is a nostalgia act. He is ancient to kids in there teens and 20's whether or not he is 44 or 48. There is no timetable appropriate for this album anymore. That ended back in 97-98-99 when he was at least still in his 30's. :-\

44=> 4+4=8 : ok:

I dont know, i still think there is a small possibility of a 2005 release. Everything has gone quiet, which must mean something is going on behind the scenes! If that doesnt happen that i hope Axl plays a warm up show for New Years, either in Vegas or somewhere in LA, either way i will be there, tour and then release CD!

Ive always believed that the legal issues Axl is facing are a major factor in the delay of CD, either way things are going to get resolved in November!

Jonx

I don't think most of the suits he has faced were this important. The trial in November is for his share of the back catalog; millions of dollars and control over songs that he created. It doesn't get much bigger than this outside of a criminal trial. Axl better have a good case and win out or I believe he loses alot of legitimacy to the GnR name. After all if he has no control over the old material at all why should he have the name.

 :rofl:? :rofl:


 ::)

You add new dimensions to the word hypocrite. Please explain to me how it is possible for such a ?positive? person as yourself (who just can?t stand all this negativity), to make a habit of systematically bashing an ex-member in every other thread? Introducing him into the discussion (when there?s no apparent reason for it) time and time again, with no other reason then talking some more biased clueless nonsense? You have more faces then an oven full of gingerbread men. Remember this monumental statement (?) :


 :rofl:

I must assume that this is the sentence you use to flee from discussions that can?t be won by spreading vast amounts of ignorance. Here you are again wasting your precious time by bashing the same guy that interests you so little that you have to bring him up in every thread you participate in.

Back on topic:
I really don?t think CD is close to being released. To expect a 2005 release with November already knocking at our door seems like an awful lot of wishful thinking to me.

-PEACE-

did anyone really feel a 2005 vibe at all?? I mean fuck to methere has never been any true indication of anything going down this year.. it's already the 19th of october and not the slightest buzz.. Sure a november abnnouncement is possible for like christmas time but I really wouldn't hold my breath.. maybe I see things different but it always seems further away to me then closer.. years ago seemed closer then today..

Mike, I never really expected it this year either. Nothing substantial happened to point to signs of a release. Merck's statement is a joke. I hope that doesn't become a yearly lie on his part. When this album is truly getting near a release date, you will hear about it all over the place, even before its announced. Talk show hosts will mention it, celebrities will mention it, etc. Until there is real buzz about the album, no one should expect an imminent announcement. Remember when the IRS leak happened. People were saying," Oh my god! Its finally coming out! Round 2 has started!" :hihi:

It can be released by xmas, axl doesnt have to promote it if hes not int he mood, frankly releasing it and making no remarks or appearances adds to the mystique and also if reporters or crtics want to run him down he wont have to deal with all those politics it takesa big pressure off to just release it and then focus on the lawsuits and tour later if wants to. The New GNR will do things new and axls way, he toured without a release in 2002-03, and frankly if he wants to be rebellious he might just release it and lets his execs who take a huge cut in axls income promote it , then take the winter off to rehearse and prepare to tour, or maybe he wont even tour, maybe he will just play events. Axls not obligated to do anything except release the cd, if its done he can release it whenever. The music is what everyones waiting for. 

Great post, Michelle! :beer: Awhile back, I also mentioned the possibility of Axl releasing this album with little promotion on his part. People thought I was insane. By just releasing it and doing little to no promotion, Axl could sidestep the tough questions. Believe me, there will be many. I think Axl choosing this option would give new GNR a better chance for success and also increase the chance for an album after CD. It wont take much to set Axl off. The wrong question, or a shitty album review might send him back to his cave. I agree with you about touring. A world tour isn't likely to happen. If he does tour, he should do Ozzfest so all the pressure for the show isn't on him. And if he didn't show up sometimes, there would be alot of other bands to pick up the slack.

 :rofl:  Great post, Slipdisc. I don't really agree with you on a half of your last bit tho.
I'd expect an announcement and hopefully a single/promo video for this xmas.


I beg to differ. madagas. I'd imagine he had spent his 30s to deepen himself.

How about this timetable?

Starting with an announcement late this year that is 2005 = 7, while the leader is at the age of 43 and the band consists of 7 members. '7' is our lucky number.

Releasing an album in 2006 and set off the tour with a new guitarist (hopefully, BH) then 8 members in the band and the leader is going to be 44.

In 2008 the Chinese Democratic tour will be finished off at the Olympic show in China as the number 10 stands for the perfect according to a tarot book. And also there will be a big election in the other country? Peace! 

Meanwhile the 2nd album and the third will be following the first.
How about that?:lmao:


Yeah But Neemo that has little to do with chinese or numerology.
Not that I won't be adapting your 2010 theory at this time next year. :hihi:

give it up, people...it is quite obvious that this album will never be released...at least not while axl is still alive...move on...gnr is over

Why don't you follow your own advice, then? ::)

Maybe so. But worse case scenario, he has to share profits with the old guys on the back catalog right? So what's the difference with what he has been doing all along. He still ownes the name. They signed over their right to it, and he could release a collection of old tracks completely remade, and at the worse maybe have to share some kind of fee (like when anyone remakes a song). I bet this case isn't really that big of a deal. I bet Axl doesn't even have to show up to court, leaving his attorneys to handle it and represent him.

It don't really matter
gonna find out for yourself..........

I'm already there. ?Diagnosed 4 years ago. ?Maybe Axl can help with my prescription benifets? ?I can use the "I've been waiting for CD so long I've developed BP." ?;D

Actually, worst case scenario, he loses his stake in the original partnership, loses all publication rights to the old songs, and loses his vote over how the old songs are licensed. He could also be impuned by the judge if he is found to have overstepped his rights in killing several licensing deals; the judge could conceivably fine him heavily. In the end, he could stand to lose millions and alot of face.  Additionally, his publication deal with Sanctuary would be voided since half of the licensing catalog sold were the old GnR tunes. It was been said that this publication deal was  necessary for CD to be released at some point in the future.

He does own the name, but it is important that he retain control of his share of the original partnership.

I can't see how he would would lose his vote. If anything there would be a 4 way split between Axl, Izz, Duff, and Slash over the back catalog and usage of this catalog in movies, games, and commercials (god help us).

Personally I am thankful Axl hasn't whored out there songs like apparently Slash and Duff want too. Because of this alone, I have lost respect for them. They would be cool if Sweet Child was used for a diaper commercial I'm sure.

Anyway Axl might come out of this looking like a hero if represented right. And he does own the name, which if CD is ever released, the old guys have nothing but their thumbs to suck off of. CD ...what the fuck...

There were three members of the partnership when the band reconvened after the illusion tour: slash, duff, and axl. S&D claim that Axl gave them a letter in which he resigned from the partnership and received full use of the Gnr name from which he was the sole partner.

If axl loses this suit, he will lose his vote as part of the three person partnership of the old band. He would lose his publication rights (he could not sell or collect from them) and could not vote on how old gnr songs are used.

Read the brief and the thread tacked up above. There is alot on the line here.

He stands to lose face because essentially he could be frozen out from the old song catalog and even though he owns the name of the NewGnR sans all original members save himself, Slash and Duff would own the licensing rights to all the old songs.

I think you will find that you are grossly mistaken. Time for you to leave I think prick.

I absolutly agree!!!

Have to share -darknemus his opinion. If they (finally) release CD, using -darknemus his time frame, they'll probably launch a tour next summer. But it all can easily be in 2007 or even later.........

If we have nothing by the time 2007 rolls around I'll be long gone! I plan on a single for Christmas then for my birthday (March) new cd. I'm putting my foot down! ;D

Man the lawsuit thing sounds crazy if that's true.

If Slash and Duff together, get 100% rights to the old catalog...

Someone with money might have to have them taken out by someone who has nothing. These two will tarnish the GNR name far worse then Axl has trying to get CD out there. I made a joke regarding SCOM being used in diaper commercials but, that won't be far from the truth. They have bitched for years about wanting GNR music in more movies and television. That is fucked up gay shit. Used in something like GTA is one thing...fucking dee dee dee clowns. Better not come out that CD is being held up because of Saul and Micheal.

why should the law suit hold up Axl releasing CD?

So, by this rationale because GNR has been used in movies already like The Program, Can't Hardly Wait, The Dead Pool, and Lean on Me they are already fucked up and gay?  What is the difference between GTA and The Program?  I don't make the connection as to why one is fucked up gay shit and the other is fine. 

If I was ever in a situation like GNR are in, I would take the Matt Stone and Trey Parker approach.  Cash in while you can because some opportunities might not be there forever. 

Because they can't find another excuse for their God. Remember, after09/11 Axl-believers wrote that he was afraid of terrorism. Before the US elections some clever Axl supporters claimed that Axl was waiting for a political change and he wouldn't release his album till Bush was the president. After the law suit they will find out that Axl is worried by the bird flue. And then the next US elections, or does want to celebrete the democracy in China so he has to wait...

Is it really necessary to attack people verbally and name call because someone has a different opinion than your own, about Axl Rose and Chinese Democracy? Not all of us here believe that Axl's infallible or hold out any hope that the album is going to be released, let alone this year.  But that should not mean that we are not allowed to post here or express that opinion.  Maybe we will be proven wrong, in the future.  Maybe CD will finally be released in this lifetime, maybe even next year.  But I don't think there's any hope for 2005 or that the pending lawsuit is holding anything up.  How many excuses does the man need, after all these years?  There have been many opportunities, in the past, to release the album, prior to this lawsuit, so it's not fair to blame two former members who have nothing to do with CD for holding anything up.             

it's not us who's attacking the different opinions than their own.

Basically This is a board that is dedicated to the band of the past and the PRESENT n future.
Again, Who is attacking it? Go figure.

Normally I would agree with you lynn. People are entitled to their own opinions thats cool and my philosophy. But with regards to this, no I dont agree and yes I feel I am quite right to have a moan because the last time I looked this was a Guns n Roses website. So why come on here to moan about the band and say the album and the band are over? There are many bands I cant stand, but I dont go onto their fan websites and get all fucking gobby about that particular band.

Naw man, you are taking this way too black and white. A line has to be drawn in how much whoring of GNR songs are used for movies and commercials.?

"If I was ever in a situation like GNR are in, I would take the Matt Stone and Trey Parker approach.? Cash in while you can because some opportunities might not be there forever."

Were you just trying to come up with something cute to say? GNR has a legacy. They have material that is considered classic. That is fact. You keep going to the well and licensing your shit out too much and the shit gets thin.

You remember the Doors? Jim never wanted their music to be used for commercials. So what happened? The 3 other member, creating a majority went behind his back and gave the okay to use "Light my fire" for a fucking commercial. You either agree with doing this or you don't.

I say if nothing else, GNR music still has integrity. But you give the okay and go to the well too many times for an Adam Sandler movie or some some equally non important project, its only the music that will suffer. You have to pick and choose, and not let money grubbing whores fuck the music in the mainstreams conscienceness.

I'm not talking about attacking people's opinions. ?It's calling someone a prick or telling someone to leave - the personal attacks. ?Yes, this is a Guns n Roses website. ?I think most of us here (including myself, believe it or not) come here because we are fans. ?If I couldn't stand them, I wouldn't be here in the first place. It's not like I just picked a GnR site one day and thought, "hey, I have nothing better to do, I think I'll just go here and harrass people"! ?Really. ?I've been a huge fan of the band and of Axl (again, yes, believe it or not). ?I think it's just that some of us have gotten very frustrated and disillusioned and that gets expressed here. ?That's all it is. ?I guess I'm just surprised (or maybe I shouldn't be, I don't know) at how defensive people get. ? Enough said.  I'll let people get back on topic.... (try to hold back your cheers!)? ?

The Sanctuary deal was mentioned as an important step in the future release of CD. If the deal is under challenge in court, Sanctuary will be reluctant to go forward until the case is settled. The November trial will determine if Axl had the right to sell the publishing rights b/c it will answer the question of whether Axl is still part of the original partnership.

Dude, you're sounding an awful lot like a certain dim-witted poster who likes to go on about how D & S want to whore out GnR, yet conveniently ignore the fact that, under axl's watch(along w/ S & D, to be fair), G N R music has been used on everything from lame ass sports shows(Jim Rome), to lame assed movies(Cancun Gone Wild or whatever the hell that movie was called), to video games, & many, many more. I remember Falcon(or was it Booker) posted a list that was as long as the day is long? with all the different movies, tv shows, commercials, etc WTTJ was used for. Not to mention the GnR underwear, weightlifter pants, gym shorts, leather goods, & whatever the hell else I'm leaving out that are out there, all with axl's blessing. So please don't be a hypocrite and call one camp to task for allegedly wanting to whore out the GnR name when it's already been going on for years with everyone's hero axl's blessing.

for all the talk about whether the album is coming out  in 2005 or not...   oddly... what develops in this lawsuitis is what i'm more concerned with


Me too.

What dim witted poster? Just say it homie. Don't be a pussy.

So what is it, D&S or S&D?

I think by now its well accepted that WTTJ is as much a sports anthem as is We will Rock You. I wasn't aware that GNR had a song in a Cancun movie but they have had a track in a lame ass Adam Sandler movie, and yea that is lame and has to stop. GNR and Axl Rose was in GTA and that is fucking cool as hell and is much cooler then having a track in a commercial or whored out to more films. Man I remember the lawsuit that was S&D(or D&S), stating that Axl turned down too many opportunities for GNR music to feature in films and T.V. That is fact dude.

So Axl has given the ok sometimes, but he's definately restrained. If Duff and Slash had their way, there would be excessive whoring. They bitched about that, so you really can't argue otherwise. This isn't about me being a hypocrite. Its about listening to what people say, and not recreating history.

You remember who the dim wit is now Paco?

If "Chinese Democracy" comes out in 2005, I will cut off my balls and mail them to Jarmo :peace:

I really don't see a '05 release. Look at it this way: Pearl Jam has a new CD comming out in the spring, and there is a buzz around it and the band is doing some interviews. With GN'R, who the hell knows what's going on.

OK, so what your saying is you'll decide what's "cool as hell", & what's whoring, &? video games, GnR underwear, weightlifter pants, sweats, leather goods is OK in your book. Whatever, dude.

And the lawsuit wasn't because rose turned down too many opportunities, it was because he unilaterally turned them down when he didn't have the contractural right to. If that's your pretex for calling S&D whores & giving axl a pass that's pretty weak.

Whether Axl "unilaterally turned them down when he didn't have the contractural right to" or not, Axl turned these down. You just changed the context of the argument to better make a point I'm not even arguing. For whatever the legalities, Axl turning them down is a good thing for GN'R.

 Now, are you even arguing the fact that Axl and GNR appearing in GTA is the same thing as GNR appearing in trite like an Adam Sandler or some teen movie, or some douchie commercial? You are saying that is just as cool for the image of GNR? If you are saying that is just as cool then you are fucking right about me. I sure as shit should take over the decision making of what is cool and what is whoring out.

The line has to be drawn at some point, and the side of the line that S&D are standing on wants GNR to appear in more commercials and films. Axl wants less. This seems clear even by your own assesment of the case. You are fishing dude.

Haven't you got in trouble with bets about CD before?  :hihi: :nervous: :hihi:

or was that someone else?

Another prick? I can't see Jarmo accepting the pressies. :hihi:




Utter Bullshit. Of all the personal remarks flying around, why you should pick n attack theses 2 'nothing personal' posts is beyond human understanding. Your account cotradicts itself in unjustifiable defence.
personal attacks? By considering my "follow your own advice" comment as telling someone to leave, You're implying that the original advice was an eviction order to us, which is prickly. What is the opinion in his post, anyway?

What's the logic taking it out on us just because they're frustrated and disillusioned? That's not ON in any case. We don't deserve it, thank you very much.
Whiners, Go there or to hell. :peace:
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=9d8b404286b11885b38470566befd9d2&topic=22258.0

Buddha, you're missing the big picture! The cat's out of the bag already. Either they're ALL whores for allowing GnR underwear, gym shorts, etc..., or they're all not. Just for the record, I couldn't give a shit about the video games, movies, commercials, gym shorts, etc... I just saw a commercial for Jack Daniels on TV using a Janes Addiction song(Jane Says). I'm not going to start losing respect for them over that. Who cares? Same goes for Led Zep, Aerosmith, Lou Reed, & whoever else allows their music or name ?be used.

And I did not change the context of the argument to make a point. I was pointing out the fact that you mischaracterized that situation, and then you based your opinion & argument on that mischaracterization.

A whore's a whore, whether it's a skank giving $15.00 BJs outside the lincoln tunnel or a high priced heidi fleiss call girl charging thousands of dollars, & if you're going to be fair & consistent, either Duff, Slash, and Axl are all whores for what they've already allowed, or you get off your high horse(no pun intended).

I dont care if he markets his name . gnrs name, a clothesline, a food line, or anything else, thats actually common to do, alot of celebrities buy resteraunts or market other things under there BIG name. So what? the only difference is Axls more popular, you dont see adler getting a clothesline or even the supposed great slash, if people will buy the product that means theres a demand. I am proud to know that the younger generation admires what GNR did back in the day. Furthermore the beatles had the yellow submarine cartoon, childrens books, the jacksons had the jackson 5 cartoons, to this day nobody sits around thinking about it, they remember the white album or michael jacksons mystique, it has no bearing on axls new album. Chinese Democracy can be released whenever axls ready to and when his advisors say its legally ok to. Guess what everyone here will go buy it and listen to it. So the rest is a moot point!

So Axl was right for now allowing WTTJ to be allowed in Black Hawk Down which was trying to recreate the actual events of this battle?  And he was right for letting some kid in Can't Harldy Wait sing Paradise City while he was drunk for the first time at an end of the year senior party? 

providman is right about this.  Its ok to admit you made a mistake, nobody here on the board is going to sacrifice you for it.  Like he said, GNR whored themselves out years ago with their PINBALL MACHINES, POSTCARDS, BELT BUCKLES, COMIC BOOKS, AND CLOCKS.  Not to mention the other stuff that providman mentions.

'Scuse me dudes. A whore is not a whore. Some whores just need a little cash and do a couple johns before calling it quits. Some whores make it a career. You cant tell me the puss is the same though.

The Black Hawk thing was fucked up politics. Axl wanted the new band to have their version, obviously Duff and Slash didn't. I fully agreed that the original should have been used and Axl fucked up there no question.

But what the fuck is up with "And he was right for letting some kid in Can't Harldy Wait sing Paradise City while he was drunk for the first time at an end of the year senior party?" What kid? Wait the kid was you right? And you believe you talk to Axl and he wanted you to sing at your school.

If you don't grasp the concept of quality control, then you stepped into the wrong conversation. Wearing your favorite bands logo on a shirt is different then hearing their music in an irish springs commercial. Appearing in a controversial edgy best selling videogame is different then appearing in just another teen movie.

I never said Axl never whored his shit either. I am talking about the quantity and the selection of the whoring. The guys have a right to license there music out and make money, but there needs to be a better selection process.

Look. You know what a big difference between Arnold Schwarzennegger (the actor) and the Siegals and Van Dams of the world? They are all actors right? But Schwarzennegger picked his roles better. He like Axl made some fuck ups no doubt. But he knew better then they did when to turn something down and not do another lame straight to video release. You can't say Axl is the same kind of whore Slash and Duff are, just like you can't say Arnold, Van Dam, and Siegal, are all action stars. No. One of them is fucking Conan and the Terminator.

If Axl was the same kind of whore then Duff and Slash wouldn't be bitching about Axl's lack of wanting to license an d make more money from their music.

Dude, what the hell are you talking about?  You don't even have a clue as to what Slash and Duff were trying to "whore their music out to".  The only thing we know about is Black Hawk Down. 

Obviously you have never seen the monstrosity that is Can't Harldy Wait.  Although you are oh so witty and clever in your comeback about it being me.  Go watch Can't Hardly Wait, then you can come back here holding your head in shame knowing that Axl let some one put Paradise City in this awful excuse for a film. 

Since you are a quality control whiz, I'd like to know where you heard that Slash and Duff were pushing to get GNR in an Irish Springs commercial.  I certainly have never heard of that happening before.  In fact, I want an entire list from you of stuff that Slash and Duff were pushing to get GNR music in.  Yes its in bold so that you don't miss it.  I am curious to know how they are destroying the GNR name. 

I've never seen the whole film, only the scene with PC, and I have to say I almost choked with laughter....in a good way  ;D

Honestly, I was being extreme with my description of the movie.  It is 'another teen movie' as Buddha described.  It is watchable and some of it is actually entertaining if you give it a chance.  I have to admit that I sat through the whole thing! 

War...what is it go...absolutely nothing....

I already made it clear that Axl fucked up too, so don't pretend you didn't read what I wrote. But you do know that Duff and Slash are pissed that they lost "millions" because Axl wouldn't license more of their music out. That says, that they wanted to go to the well more then Axl. More is key.

You want me to produce a list for you? Suck me dude. You don't pay my bills.

And what's with you clowns and your extremes. Fools are always trying to get people to defend themselves against things they never even said.

"I am curious to know how they are destroying the GNR name." Good luck on your journey. That is a hell of a deep rooted question. I am sure you will ponder that for years. I want to understand the meaning of life but each to his own.

*Defense mechanism goes up*

Easy there tiger, all I wanted to know is how you are so sure of what you are talking about.  If you had originally said "Slash and Duff want to use the GNR name more than Axl does and I think that may tarnish or cheapen their overall image" I would have let it go.

Lets go back to your original post "I can't see how he would would lose his vote. If anything there would be a 4 way split between Axl, Izz, Duff, and Slash over the back catalog and usage of this catalog in movies, games, and commercials (god help us).

Personally I am thankful Axl hasn't whored out there songs like apparently Slash and Duff want too. Because of this alone, I have lost respect for them. They would be cool if Sweet Child was used for a diaper commercial I'm sure."

You then went on to say "These two will tarnish the GNR name far worse then Axl has trying to get CD out there. I made a joke regarding SCOM being used in diaper commercials but, that won't be far from the truth. They have bitched for years about wanting GNR music in more movies and television. That is fucked up gay shit. Used in something like GTA is one thing"

1) If Slash and Duff own the GNR name, which commercials, movies, video games do you know of that they want to use SCOM in that "won't be far from the truth"?  Is it so wrong to call you out on something you clearly know nothing about?

2) Since GNR has already been used in past movies (and those 'teen' movies you spoke of later on) their name is already tarnished according to your definition.  So it should not matter what is done from now on because the name is already tarnished.

3) I love how after your first post you made it a point to mention GTA in your next post because you obviously forgot that Axl had done that.  You can deny this all you want, but anyone with half a brain (including me, there goes your great comeback!) notices this. 

4) I didnt mean to start an argument over this, but you got all defensive when I questioned you about it.  Same old posters getting defensive and upset when they can't provide support for their argument. 

Oh and when you find out the meaning of life mr philosopher please be sure to post it here for all of us! : ok:

me too I love that scene...  :rofl:

Dude, you want specifics. That is your big beef with what I have said correct? You have to acknowledge the fact that Slash and Duff want the music licensed out to more projects then Axl is allowing. What is really the point in your argument with this? That the specifics over what these projects are unknown to you?

Dude, I never said that Axl never wanted the music used in any projects. You are searching for things I never said. When you and whoever I was originally debating with, acted like I was saying Axl has never done anything wrong, I realized I needed to further clarify my point. I think even now, you still don't get it. Maybe I am partly to blame for not explaining it properly, or maybe it is just that your reading comprehension skills have diminished over the years (maybe a little of both). But don't misinterpret why I mentioned GTA.

I think GNR whoring out to Big Daddy was a fuck up. As was this karaoke movie mentioned. But that doesn't give a free pass to allow every gay movie under the sun to use a GNR track. Excess kills everything. Isn't it alright for someone to take a step back and realize that enough is enough. You mean you cant get a grip on a situation that is getting out of hand, and take control?

It is never too late. Maybe Axl didn't want their image to get further eroded. Even you can understand that right pumpkin?

nah i dunno i mbetting for an spring release, so there could be a summer tour... thatd be badass

no idea when that spring release will be however

I say no to 2005... and 2006... I think Axl is stalling until we all die.

So, are you saying we're all going to die in 2007?  :confused: :hihi:

THE END IS COMING!!!!!

In 2002 I was so confident CD would come out in 03 I said if it didn't my hair would fall out... Guess what? My hair is falling out :rant:

 the licensing of songs specifically require ALL THREE signatures.

misterID, some words of advice:lower your level of confidence, and shatter your self esteem. Then maybe we'll get the album. :hihi:

If CD doesn't come out in 06  my dick will fall off... errrm it'll come out in 07.

The judge is going to just say this. You are all partners, have 33% vote. So if two vote yes and one votes no then majority wins.

He can't do that though because in order for any decision to be made it has to have the vote of all 3 guys. If it only has 2 vots it dont happen. That's the way it is, too bad slash and duff are too stupid to realise that.  ::)

Back to the thread; no, it is too late  for 2005. Start speculating about 2006, a la 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005.

Go listen to Ten Years After: "One of these Days"

what will we do once the album is out... with nothing speculate over?

1, I doubt the album will be released 'sson', so we can continue the speculation.

2, Since in GN'R's world things never happen in a normal way, we will have another themes.

just plenty.
we will speculate about
1) the 2nd album
2) the 3 rd album

3) appearences at Beijing Olympic ceremonies
4) appearences at vancouver winter Olympic ceremonies
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(read between the lines)
10) who are joining the third era GNR?
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(now back to where we are now)
0) when the album of the newest GN'R coming out?
    Which GNR is the best of the three. Where's Grandpa Axl? etc

dude...i only visit this board like once a month, just to see if axl has died yet, so we can get chinese democracy

Pretty disgusting.  >:( Here's A straight tip for ya.
Go check hatches, catches, matches and dispathes on your paper.

misterid where have u been?long time no see