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Just heard on Dutch Radio Veronica that Chinese Democracy will be released in December.
Haven't got a clue yet where they've got their information from, but will try to find out.

Has any other Dutch GNR fans heard this??

I hate to rain on your parade, but I highly doubt that the Dutch will be the first to get the scoop on CD.

I think it's too late for a 2005 release. Not enough time for promotion. I think we will have the album around the Rock in Rio 2006. With the Da Vinci Code soundtrack, it will be the perfect timing. Somewhere beween April and June.
However, an annoucement is still possible.

One... two... three...

December of which year?!  ;D

One post wonder?

Oh, wait, a two post wonder.

Could be true, nonetheless, so I'll opt to side step from the backlash, if you don't mind?

Just send a mail to Veronica. Maybe they'll respond. I'll let you know!

I think the DJ ment December of this year.

Well I've never posted before, but been reading htgth for a long time (registered since 2002). Just haven't found it usefull to post anything before, but just thought I let you know what was aired on Dutch radio.

This is a Fox News Alert.. A small tribe in Eastern Mongolia have been told the release date of the long awaited album, Chinese Democracy. Our reporter on the scene has been rebuked by the tribe and they will not answer any questions, since they recently took a 10 year vow of silence. Fox News will continue to cover this breaking story as it unfolds..now back to regularly scheduled programming.. :hihi:

I doubt it, but thanks for posting anyway, at least it's something the poster heard on the radio or something instead of some crap about talking to Axl's friends brothers cousins donkey.

When is Rock In Rio 5?

I dont think its very nice starting shit, because of the info legolas shared with us! He just told what he heard on the radio! Hope its true Legolas!

Well.......... Just got word back from veronica (in Dutch):
Dank voor je reactie.

Als je wat verder Google-t, zul je zien, dat het beloofde album in
november uitkomt, maar volgens de platen maatschappij wordt dat
december. Vandaar.
Het zou er ""eerder zijn dan jouw kerstboom"" in ieder geval.

Groet,

Ron Bisschop (DJ)
Veronica

In English:
Thanks for you reaction.
If you try to Google a bit deeper, you'll see that the album will be released in November. But according to the record company it will be December.
It will be there befor you've got your X-mas tree
Greetings
Ron Bisschop (DJ)
Veronica

Seems to me that they've based it on the know rumour from Pauze & play and others:
http://gnr.nu/Default.aspx?TabID=52&articleType=ArticleView&articleId=22

Still trying to find out what record company they are talking about.

http://rockinrio-lisboa.sapo.pt/

"Rock in Rio-Lisboa vai voltar em 2006.
As datas marcadas s?o a 27 e 28 de Maio e 2,3 e 4 de Junho."
 

This is where you are so annoying James. Why do you have to be so sarcastic about everything positive? Whether its a rumour with any truth to it or not its still potentially positive about the band!! So why try and ruin each thread that trys to be positive about the band. Wether they turn out to be true or complete bull shit, I think the majority of people who post them mean it with the best intentions, apart from the occasional trouble maker who posts pathetic rumours!!

if gnr play in lisboa,i will be there

belgrade ------------lisboa------------ :peace:(axl)----------- ;D(me)

Thanks legolas and welcome to the board. :D

If that's just it... :rofl:

I remember French radio said something about the release before.
US djs are like always bsing.
it seems that the radio djs/the media every once so often say what they read on the net or heard tell of from a guitar tech, a record company worker or the like.

Nevertheless I'm curious to know what they're saying somewhere on earth and why.

When did you hear this?, 'cause I've been listening to veronica pretty much all day long

I think so too. I don't think they would release it on such short notice. Keep the rumours flying.... ;)

thank you for posting this. don't let little second grade IQ people like jameslofton get ya down, you did the right thing by posting what you heard.

:hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

that was the first thing that popped into my head.. An american based band that has LA or NYC and the dutch know first :rofl:

See what happens, strikes me as being a bit far fetched though, its starting to get very late for a December release, unless something happens very very soon. On the other hand it could be true, leaks are more likely to come from 3rd rate branch of a major company as opposed to a 1st rate branch, ie the UK and the US. Who knows, someone else who can speak both Dutch and English email the station and ask them again, see what happens!

Jonx

Thanks for posting... But I dont think they know anything... Especially not, when they bring google into this..

Well, we just have to wait and see...

Are you really that closeminded?


I remember being told about a Pearl Jam live album in September 1998 by a Sony Music employee at a music fair I went to. It wasn't reported on the Internet at the time and wasn't made public until weeks later. How was that possible?


It doesn't require that much logic to figure out that when there's a release date, Universal will probably let all the offices around the world know. If the Dutch office tells a radio station there the news, then it's possible they could be the first ones to actually announce the news before the official press release is sent out.

I'm not saying this was the case now, but all this "it's an American band so it's impossible for anybody outside the USA to know" stuff is just stupid.



/jarmo

I've just send the email so let's see what they have to say this time :-\

a december release is just wishful thinking

I still believe a 2005 release is possible.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic here, but a 2005 release is indeed possible.

GN'R don't need too much promotion, once the word is out, everyone will know in a few days...

I meant nothing buy it... I jam just thinking such a tight lipped project would have a big market like the ones I mentioned geting the info first..

Me too, I believe.  Cut it lose.

Well you know man, since it isn't Axl himself who spreads the date of the album, it will only be a sad rumour...

a 2K5 release remains a distinct possibility.  I still think March 29, '06, but that's just me.

You all do realize that the album will pretty much promote itself, right?  Talk about a snowball effect.  All we need is one press release and you'll have a 3-5 minute blurb on most every nation / International entertainment news type of program.  It will probably generate another 30-45 seconds on most local newscasts.  Last, but not least, you're looking at pretty much every radio station in the WORLD devoting time to discussion of it. 

That's promotion without spending a dime.

-darknemus

true! I dont think that December is to early! But remember what Richard said. And when that is said, remember what Tommy said! He talked about some GNR news that might be soon! Could be a single ...  :smoking:

I have also wondering about that.... RIR5? Releasedate?

BULLSHIT, its not happening

I still believe we can get a release date this year, possibly as soon as right after Thanksgiving here in the US. ?I believe this album would sell wonderfully across the world, but in the US I think the time to strike is after Thanksgiving. ?Alot of money will be spent domestically during that time. ?Here's to hoping. :beer:

Jarmo, its not being close minded, its being realistic. Axl's project has been under a veil of secrecy for a decade. The Dutch or the Mongolians will NOT leak any real news.

A leak can happen anywhere in the world. It's not a song leak. It's the release date, or the release year or month leak. It could happen anywhere in the world...

Hmmm, maybe the Mongolians have already leaked everything as neither GN'R camp nor we would know of that.


Good idea!  :D

GN'R woulon't need too much promotion, but they might just as well drop A promo video for a kickoff.


Well said saul. As Christos AG said
it's possible, believe it or not. otherwise, a 2006 release is possible.
Or rather, a 2005 release followed by a 2006 release is also possible.

something i would like to point out regarding if the dutch would be told or not is this, in the us new cds come out on a different day of the week from the uk and europe i think. As monday is the usual day here, perhaps it makes sense that europe would know first. Its monday and the rumour started in europe, with america being a few hours behind, perhaps you will hear something later in the states. Your release comes later.

Europes chinese democracy starts now

Dec is still the best time for an album release. Like I said before I think for Sact to try and make up for their losses they will want a good 4th quarter, and having CD in that could be a much needed boost.

This will be intesting to follow..............................................................

Dutch Democracy Starts NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can someone please explain how releasing CD will have a massive impact on Sanctuary, presumably they are getting paid for managing Guns even though CD hasnt been released. Surely the people who will reap the benifits will be the record company and Axl himself. Sanctuary are just management with a bit of publishing thrown in on the side (small bit of old material, all the new stuff). I guess they could see some money coming in from the publishing rights they aquired but i dont think Axl is going to whore out the catalog to adverts/movies etc any time soon!

Jonx

I'm probably wrong , but , I thought they bought the rights to use the democracy songs however they saw fit?

Geffen/Intersocpe makes money off of the CD sales obviously

but just about everything else is covered by publishing rights
Sanctuary will be able to beigin receiving licensing fees for the publication of GN'R beginning with the Mechanical Fee that the record company would have to pay to Sanctuary. ?Thats apt to be a large amount. ?
There will also be moneys collected from merchandising paid to Bravado (owned by sanctuary)  (stuff like this likely will be ready to go before release)
There's radio play and other public performance or broadcast of CD material which will generate money for Sanctuary also (remember royalty trail: ASCAP to Black Frog to Sanctuary).

I don't know how much of this would take place how quick from the time material is released....
but obviously the sooner its released the sooner they (Sanctuary) begin to collect

although....
the way i understand it, the Mechanical License fee would be paid to them before the release, because Geffen has to pay that before they can 'cut' the CDs. ?Its based on how many they 'cut'.... ?price per unit... lets say Geffen obtains license to 'cut' 1 million and CD is released 12/20... it doesn't matter if CD doesn't sell those million copies before the end of the year, Geffen will have already paid this before the 12/20 release.

Thank you for that, cleared alot of things up!

Jonx

how long was greatist hits promoted for

Hey Grouse, I've heard this around 15.15 hours. I think. Posted right after i've heard it. Send a mail to Ferry Maat and Ron Bisschop at Veronica. Ferry only mailed: In december!!. Ron send the last mail wich I posted yesterday. Haven't heard anything further.

Just take a look: http://www.dutchdemocracy.nl/
Dutch GNR fanforum, so nothing in English :hihi:

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Jarmo ?

If the record company actually has it scheduled for release in December, we'll know about it pertty soon I guess.

What makes it weird is that they first mention Google.  :nervous:




/jarmo

I'm guessing they got the Nov, 2005 thing from a simple google search for 'gnronline' - and we know how accurate that's proved in the past.

The big question is, though, where did they get the Dec 2005 thing from.  They say 'record company' - but do they mean the Dutch chapter of it, or Interscope proper, or who knows.

-darknemus

Well, the Google search only says "news and information on Chinese D." Not any release date... So, where could they get this from?

Lets cross our fingers ;)

lets do that! :D

Darknemus. arent u in the radio bizz? Maybe you could get some info  : ok:

I'm not in the radio business.  I'm in the technology business.  I know some people in the radio business - but this isn't the kind of info that would be obtainable from them, anyway.

It sounds like someone who speaks Dutch needs to be making some phonecalls, because I'm guessing the info came from some Dutch-based subsidiary of Interscope.  (If Radio Veronica isn't lying, that is)

-darknemus

I've asked the same question in another mail to the radio station, but still no reply  :(

well it could happen...coz this dutchie was also the first to know about the cancelled european tour in 2001....still got the faxes to prove it ;)

The DJ's who replied to my mails are very respected DJ's and are making radio for at least 20 years, i think. Futhermore Radio Veronica is one of the stations which really likes GNR. Their listeners voted AFD at #9 in their Top 750 album list www.heretodaygonetohell.com/ news/shownews.php?newsid=1458  (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/ news/shownews.php?newsid=1458)

I will send them another mail for some more info about the record company, but can't promise any replies

Why not try to call them?  : ok:

I agree.  The trick here is to find out the source of their Dec, 2005 revelation.  To find it out if it came from Interscope in the U.S., from Sanctuary (alot of people still mistake Sanctuary for the record company), from some distrbution facility in the Netherlands?  We need info on the source - not necessarily the information.  I'd do it, myself - but the only Dutch I know I picked up from that Austin Powers movie.

-darknemus

Come on, seriously, how many times have we been burned by radio dj's? ::)

That's like asking "How many grains of sand are there in the Mojave Desert".

 ;D

Sahara maybe?  :hihi:

The only odd thing is that Mysteron hasn't jumped in and squashed it like a bug! Jarmo is playing along too.... :o

Well, the ONLY think i find interesting is that thay said they got the info from the Record Company, and the Tommy comment on "some gnr news soon" in his website... Nothing else!  :-*

One thing I have noticed in the past.  And this doesn't really help or hurt this rumor, just an interesting observation.  Often times, 'secret' information winds up getting disclosed by parties in other Countries (by that I mean other than the U.S.) in regards to entertainment products.

I know this happened in the past with information related to the first Spider-Man movie - and I'm fairly certain its happened with music-related information before.  I wish I could remember more details about this, but I know its happened before.  My point is, I wouldn't in any way, shape, or form, discount this rumor because it originated in the Netherlands.  If there are plans for a 'global' release, there are going to be ALOT of parties involved.  Some of those parties are going to be a bit more open-mouthed than others.. that's just how things are.

-darknemus

So, everyone! Turn on your radios! And call your recordcompanies!  :peace: :hihi:

Nah, I'll take the 15,000 sq miles over the 3,500,000 square miles.  :)

No I'm not.


I personally don't believe this rumor, I don't think legolas made it up either.


I just reacted on the fact that some people seem to think this kind of info must come from an US source. I disagree.



/jarmo

"Illusions" release
Announced a month and a half
Before the street date.

December? ?Maybe.
I'm not writing it off yet....
'Til next week, at least!

Splash

/Mike

I dont belive it. But im open to think there may be something in it! Dont you (Jarmo) find the "I'm told there may be news on the GNR front coming soon, but til it's formal and written in at least pencil my lips are sealed." part of Tommys update a bit interesting... ?

I don't believe it either. Maybe it is just a single release.

Yeah, that's the most interesting thing of all the news we've had lately.




/jarmo

Which is not really big news...  :hihi:

If CD will be out early 2006, there is a possability for a Single release in December, but i would not count on it! I hope its an update from GNR camp, release Date, Tour date (RIR) or something like that! I guess that seams fair to belive!

I don't believe it. But there may be something in November/December, either a band reunion and/or a press release.
I'm waiting for a ROCK IN RIO announcement.

PS: Jarmo, can I open a "Rock In Rio countdown" topic? Something that would be the official RIR thread until it happens (or not).

i may be naiv or something, but i actually think there is something in that Tool newsletter we had some weeks ago.. All the Christmas talk! But thats just me! Nothing to talk about anyway!  : ok:

Yeah, sure you can. In the Bad Obsession section since GN'R isn't playing there as far as we know at the moment.





/jarmo

maybe were gettin a christmas album instead.i can see it now   ::) tommy on the triangle,richard on the harp,robin on the tambourine,dizzy on the bells(not the whiskey) and axl in a elf suit singin rock around the christmas tree  :rofl:.seriously im gonna cross my fingers for about another fortnight and if no official news by then,then its a 2006 release for me  :peace:

Well just checked my mail.....still no reply :no:, doesn't matter i'll give them a call tomorrow? ;D I really want to know where they got their info

Great! Cant wait to hear theyr answer! "We got it form Sp1at.com" haha

Were still crossing our fingers :yes:

From the retail side of the world....

They haven't heard anything about this..not one peep.

personally I don't believe this rumor.

First the google staement, (we all know how reliable that source is ::) ) then the christmas 2005 statement, someone already mentioned "the Tool christmas story" and there is also the Q-magazine "response" from merck (2005 the year of GnR).

To me it sounds like they came to a conclusion from pieced together internet stories. This happens every year.

I don't mean to be negative or anything, and i would love for it to be true, but we've all been here before.

when there is REAL news we'll hear it directly from merck, or axl, or interscope. if it doesn't come from any of those 3 sources, it's prolly not true.

This crossed my mind too. Yeh granted it may just be a rumour but I though Mr Jarmo's responses have been quite interesting! Dont get me wrong I am not reading too much into Jarmo's words I am just being my usual positive self and hope that this rumour may have something to it! Jesus Christ what an end to the year that would be if we go the album in December!

Yeh Neemo your right I feel, but it is nice that we are getting such a rush of rumours recently especially when some of them have not been quashed by management!

Yeah but, from experience, the rumor has to get pretty hot and heavy for management to speak up and quash it.


end to the year? end to the decade!!!! Slash left in '95

end to the year? end to the decade!!!! Slash left in '95

Yeh true, I was just meaning that it would be a great end to 2005 for us dedicated fans!!

RIGHT ON ESTRANGED33!!!!! : ok: :beer: that would kick ass!

My gifts would be cheap anyway, the new Robert Jordan book and Chinese Democracy (and a 6-pack of beer) :hihi:

Sounds pretty fucking cool to me! Just imagine the fucking feeling if we at last get the album this year, just hearing the opening seconds of the first tracks! Who is Robert Jordan? Not an author I have heard of! Mike

I feel there's little to no chance of a release in December.
I've worked in retail advertising for several years.
All the major releases for the 4th quarter are released in November.
Take a look at any music retailers NEW RELEASE section online or instore, and you'll see dozens of new CD titles slated for November and very few in December.
Besides obviously getting the big CDs in store for the early holiday shopping period, by the time December rolls around all of the music stores have their promotional space set-up and ready to go. They don't have endcap space or room to promote a big new release that comes out in mid-december.
Late november could still be logistically possible, but logic still points us to late winter at the earliest. There would have to be some industry buzz if CD could be coming to us in the next 6 weeks.

You guys are really setting yourself up for disappointment. Slash was officially out of Gnr in Oct 1996-not 1995. Although, until the lawsuits are settled, we aren't really sure who actually left and who is still in! ?:o :o

This author of fantasy books (ya know magic and shit), its book 11. The series has been going on since 1989. (Very similar to chinese democracy don't you think :hihi: ) it's really good though, if you are into that sorta thing. super realistic world, very well writen and very little conflicts with complex plot lines, best fanasy writer since Tolkien IMHO

Lesty, Eminem just set a release date for his Greatest Hits record-December 6th. Tracklist has not been decided on and two new songs will be added. Just fyi.

but Axl says in "THE" fax that Slash was gone since '95

this is from the history part of HTGTH:


besides i said I didn't believe it, but i still think it would be cool to have it this year.

fuck, it doesn't matter what day it comes out on, it'll still be cool when it's finally released. : ok:

Well, that's my point. Slash now claims Axl left the partnership and Axl claims Slash left the partnership. Hopefully, a judge and jury will decide "soon". :rofl:

"I wouldn't say that soon is the word" :rofl:

Interesting?

All I've said is: Don't shoot down a rumor just because it didn't come from the USA.

I'm not saying that this rumor is true! In fact, I don't think we'll see an album release in 2005 since it's already October.






/jarmo

But Axl wasn't right about that.

Anyway, I think we'll get the usual 'this will be GN'R's year, won't it?' thread again by Dave like in the last years.

well! Like some of you have pointed out! I dont belive the album will be out before new year! But boys and girls! That dont mean that there wont be any GNR news or any GNR related stuff happening... Maybe a new year show! Anything can happen! Its not just about Chinese Democracy! " Lets say that we got an official announcment that CD wil be out xx.xx.xx in december! That would be GREAT news for me anyway!

Untill anything happens, just relay on Tommys last quote on the update on his site! He havent dared mention GNR on the site before! Why does he give that hint now? Things will happen! Maybe not today or tomorrow! But it will happen!

I think you are right about this... I have a good feeling about something will happen in the next 2-3 months...

I feel the same way.  Within the next 2-3 months I believe things will start getting exciting.  I'm just hoping for a Christmas announcement, then a website, then a single.   :beer:

the an album and then an unreleased song on da vinci code!  :peace:  : ok:
cause if it's not an unreleased song on da vinci code, then no one will care cause the can just get the album.  unless da vinci code comes first, but according to a lot of people EARLY 2006 is when it may come.  and may isn't real early.

Well they said before you've got your X-mas tree. So according to them it might happen between 1 dec and 24 dec. depending of course when you will put up your X-mas tree  :hihi:

fuck ill put mine up now just in case  :rofl:

If I got 1$ every time I had a good feeling about CD, I would be a millionar. ?That said, I too have a good feeling that something will happen in next 2-3 months...

CD is soooo near yet so far .Hopefully they will give us some info soon .Someone knows whats going on in relation with the release date & then to cap it all off an announcement that they are booked to play slane castle 06  .Wooooooooooooooo Hooooooooo. :yes:

By the way  over here in the emerald isle a well respected & not known to tell porky pies informs us that cd promised in06.


slan.

That promise was from a musician .

Dub, who is the musician? On a side note, Outkast has just set a Dec 6th release date for their highly anticipated album-again, about two months in advance. The Strokes just set a Jan 3rd 06 release date for their new album. In my opinion, look for any where from 1 1/2 months to 3 months prior to actual release for an announcement on Chinese. I really doubt Dec will be the month. :'(

I mailed Universal Music in Norway, and got the following reply

Hei,
Har dessverre ingen informasjon som tyder p? utgivelse i innev?rende ?r!
MVH
Morten Jensen
Universal music A/S

in english..

Hi,
Unfortunately, I've got no information which suggests a release this year!

ok ::) but what about Holland? That's where this info is from, not Norway.

You know what? this rumor is prolly just bullshit anyway, I don't even know why we are investigating it. ???
like I said before old stories linked together to form a (false) conclusion.

Same story, different year, that's all it is.

Then, couldn't each of us send a mail to Universal Music of our respective countries and ask if there's someting new.. Of course I understand that there's a 99% chance of getting the same answer as me, but still...

Anyway, I don't know how things work, but could it really be the case that the Dutch company got the "message" first? I would think that every country's publisher would hear about it at the same time..

To tell you the truth Spirit. I don't think that there is any point, cuz when CD drops. we'll all know. Like I said, when there is news to hear, it'll come straight from GnR, Sanctuary or Interscope, not a radio DJ. : ok:

Neeemo,
That's true but,
I guess, the point is that the fanatic fans wanna know before that.  :hihi:

Yeah i understand, but we fall for the same crap year after year. and it always begins from an internet rumor. That was proven false like a month prior. WE hear something through the GnR Community in august, then for the next August til April the same rumor will get circulated then it'll all start again In August of 2006.

I tell ya, the internet is just "one big Garbage Can" :hihi:

Lets try another angle.

this one comes from a Dutch radio. many Dutch listeners must have heard it.
and most of them don't know a shit about the rumour stuff about the release unless they read this board or another. If it doesn't come true they might go like 'Oh, Axl changed his mind again'

So it's not bad that the of the listeners tells this here and we investigate it.

yeah i dig.... but, how should i put this? :-\

OK, I live in Ontario, Canada. and once in a while I hear GnR news on the radio, usually something like "Coming up after the break... There is new news on the GnR front." then I wait around for like 1/2 an hour and it finally comes on and the rumor is something that we on HTGTH heard about like a month before. And I'm usually like, "fuck, I wish i had that 1/2 hr of my life back"

All I'm saying is this, on the online community, we hear shit wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before the casual GnR fan. And long before the radio decides to announce it as news. (around here anyway [GTA] ) So we get a rumor, which is usually just a theory or hearsay then we all forget about it, then a month later a Radio DJ checks online news about GnR and reads it, then airs it as "Real News" on the Radio, then a member posts it again, then we figure out it's the same shit from a while ago, thennnnnnnnnn, a month after that we get another Radio station do the same thing and it's posted again, then amazon or someone will have it up for pre-order and it gets posted again and it ends up being a vicius cycle for a 1/4 of the year.

When Axl or Sancutary or Interscope (or whoever) decides that CD should be released, we'll know prolly like 5 minutes after they do.

(Then a month after that it'll be announced on the Radio and the record stores will know :hihi: )

What can i say? We're just all way to crazy on this site :D

There's no denying it. Hang the DJs btw.


You mean "one of the listeners"? Learn to spell. :P

Well still no reply on the email I sent that DJ :-\ But that doesn't matter i gave the station a call yesterday and after waiting for like 15 min. I finally get some pr woman who tells me that the DJ's do all their own research and that they use their own contacts so this rumour is probably FALSE :(

But that's what everybody thought anyway so no surprise there. : ok:

Yeah, thought so to. But it was the first GNR news regarding CD i've heard on Dutch radio, so thought i'd mention it here.
Also mailed the DJ's a couple of times, but got no reply. Since they haven't got the guts to reply, they must became aware they broadcasted a baseles rumour.

id just like to say i was at the HOB show and I thought it was close.  It's been a long time now.  Please let soon be the word!