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I was wondering since I am sure the new band is going to want to play mostly the stuff they wrote, do you think gnr will play all of CD then maybe like 5-8 of the classics for their set? I would think at very least it would be 50-50. If CD was lets say 15 songs, they could either play the album album and then the classics like wttj, mr b, scom, pc, patience, nov rain and kodh, then maybe a few other oldies.?  I would hope they would play atleast 3/4s of the new album every show.
I also wonder if they ever do get as far as the 3rd album if they would barely play any afd era songs save wttf and pc.

I think it will depend on ho well the first single goes. It would be nice to hear the new stuff but fan's that don't really know anything are gonna wanna hear the older tunes. I'll go either way.

Nah dave I think they will play mostly new stuff. If there are 18 songs on the new album then you can prolly bet on at least 12-15 played live and maybe 3-4 old songs. November Rain for sure, WTTJ, PC, maybe Sweet Child.

I hope we don't have to wait too long to find out though : ok:

I think he should do like John Fogerty did in the 1980's and only play new material. But that scenario is unlikely. Some people will want to hear Jungle for the millionth time. Axl could do like Queensryche did years ago. Play some hits, play CD in its entirety, then play a few more hits. That scenario is more likely than the Fogerty scenario. But anything's possible. But I think another tour of rehashing AFD would be a huge mistake.

James, just for the record-I agree with you.  ;D

IF he tours, I want basically just CD. But if he has to play old stuff, I hope he plays some UYI material like 'Double Talkin Jive', Pretty Tied Up', and 'Civil War'. I think Civil War is more relevant now than it was back then.

 As for me, I would only want to hear Jungle, PC, SCOM, and a couple of Illusion tracks-not covers. Maybe November Rain or Estranged since those are Axl piano tunes. 

No. Even after they release the album they will be sticking too a full on AFD setlist. However , democracy will be played over the P.A to warm up the crowd before the show.

Ladies , show us yer tits!

people that go to see big famous group[s want to hear the music that made the name big, not the new stuff... I want to hear the older stuff live, that is what most care about

when axl takes his next dump do you think he will wipe or wash his butt??

Really i could imagine him doing 50/50.  Might not want to upset his hole too much by laying a new cleaning technique out in one go and forgetting about the old way.

Toilet hygine starts now!!

i say play half of CD, say 15 songs so play like 7 or 8 ... then play wttj, scom, nov rain, paradise city, then play the old songs they didnt play during the 02 tour, especially rocket queen civil war, and coma

I say 50/50. Old material and new

Actually, Aerosmith is contemplating doing just that on their tour this Fall. They're asking the fans which two albums they would like to hear played in it's entirety, front to back. The idea is to surround which ever album they play with two smaller sets of other classic songs (I think Toys in the Attic and Pump are the way to go with that BTW).

Now that I think of it, that might have been a cool concept for the 2002 GN'R tour with Appetite being played track for track in order and surrounded by two small sets; one of UYI and one of UYI2. Then throw Patience and a new CD epic at the Encore.

I agree I dont want to hear that many AFD songs or UYI songs, I want to hear mostly CD songs, and  I am sure the band feels the same way. They always seem to be more into the songs they wrote then playing the older stuff.

I hope to hear some of the old stuff if I see GN'R, cos I've been waiting my entire life. I think we'll see WTTJ, SCOM, PC and a couple of the Illusion hits, the rest mainly new stuff, with maybe a 2 or 3 random Appetite/Illusion songs. I wonder if Axl will do something completely different and not close with Paradise City??

if axl tours again do you think everyone will have cd in their hands...? I think most people will want tohear all the classics.. if I see metallica ac/dc maiden aerosmith stones or sir paul I expect to hear their classics.. That is exactly what they do even if they have new materia becayuse they know that's where the fan base came from and that's what they want to hear

UI know some could say well gnr was heavy illusions back in 91-93, but I say gnr didn't have a lot of music to play and toured for a while with one album and lies eventually]... Now they have  a heavy rotation of great music from two different times.. Afd I can go for at least wttj, pc, RQ, pc, it's so easy brownstone... (i still say their afd tour was the best, ritz ruled!!! ;D :beer: :drool:) then you have DC, NR, estranged, civil war dtjmf not to mention patience from lies.... About 4-5 new songs and the rest old would suit me.. No fucking medly crumbs just the music that caused them to rule the world..  :love:

Im all for 90% new.. 10% old...

Im sure CD will have plenty of epics.. so things like NR and Estranged don't really need to be played. Maybe just WTTJ and SCOM to please fans. But if they ever do tour again.. I'd have no problem with mostly new.

50-50 would be ok too I guess tho.

We'll have to wait and see...

    -jack

They can always play for like 2 hrs 30 mins, so they can play like 12 new songs and 12 old. Just rotate old , new , old, new etc.

what if they played a cover of a velvet revolver song on the tour, what kind of reaction do you think they would get for that?

yea im hoping they play for around 2:30-3 hours.  i think once Axl mentioned that the shows would be getting longer too...

im thinking 50-65% new material, depending on the night

Boston did that also on thier Third stage tour.( the way queensryche di the operation mindcrime tour.)

I guess that's a possibility but Axl's in his early/mid 40's and is a high energy performer,? not sure if 3 hour sets would be in his best interest.

For me personally I prefer the hour and half, 2 hour sets, tops.? Keep it fast paced, leave 'em wanting more.

Sorry, but there's no chance in hell he could go 3 hours a night at a high level.  He's always been hit or miss live anyway and the strain of a 3 hour set every night of a tour would most certainly diminish the quality of his performance.

He could do it but only if he plays three shows a week and does not run around like a mad man every show.

I'd rather get 2 hours of Axl at his best than 3 of him going half-assed.  I personally would prefer him to play a decent amount of old stuff as well since I've never seen any of it performed live...but that's just me.

Under the above parameters, I'm sure he could handle it.

Although..

Part of Axl's live allure for me is his running around like a mad man, he such an "all out' performer. ?I think anything less than that would diminish the concert experience for both the audience (well, me) and the performer.

im up in the air with what they will do. As they go, i think we will hear less old stuff but it'll alwys be there for sure!!

I believe they'll end up with only:  Welcome to the Jungle, Sweet Child O' Mine, and Paradise City.  Maybe November Rain. 

I hope they'll play a set where the majority of the songs are new songs and throw in a few old songs (non-hits) and then maybe rotate the hits (meaning not play them at every show).

I know most people expect to hear November Rain, Paradise City, Sweet Child O' Mine, Patience, Welcome To The Jungle, You Could Be Mine and Knockin' On Heaven's Door. But that's already seven songs. Which could be about 1/3 of the show. Add to that the other old songs and you'd have a show with probably at least 50% old songs....




/jarmo

My DREAM cd tour:
a)play for two hours (maybe two and a half).Keep it fast-no more drum,guitar solos pleeeease. most of us enjoy Axl rants or the (self)sarcastic sense of humor he seems to have developed lately but Axl ?if u decide to start talkin please keep it short!

b)play 20-25 songs-2/3 new material 1/3 old

c)change the fucking set list!I think these musicians can learn how to play 20 new songs(not all of them have to be on CD) and 30 old songs.keep 50% of the setlist fixed and change the other 50% every fuckin show.Of course the band (captain A included) would have to practise a lot and we all know that this is extremely unlikely to happen :beer:)

d)Axl should stop runnin like a mad man and maybe he should focus on his breath and on his voice.He can be cool and give a great performance without actin like a sprinter(just watch the SCOM video)


just my 0.02

Interesting observation about the SCOM video 'performance'.
Not that he has to run, but I do enjoy the way he makes sure to cover the whole stage - get close to all of the audience - and not just play center stage.

Some people have to move a lot to beat their stage fright. I donno if it is the case with him.

I personally would love to see them play 100% new songs.

On a Realistic base, I agree that a set with a few oldies would be reasonable.

And a show like 45 mins, 15 mins break, 45 mins break and some encores is what I'd suggest (for utterly my own convenience :P).

yeah! I agree with Jarmo and ppbebe!
I would like to hear a new Killer opening song from Guns N Roses! I think opening every show with Jungle has run its course!
One of the new killer rock songs should fith as beeing a new Opening song, same with the encore! It should be a new song. It would
get the new band a kind of new id. and push them forward! I would like them to play a couple of the old tunes, like Nov. Rain, and Rocket Queen, but
like Jarmo said, not to many of the old hits! I would pay alot to hear "Bad Apples" Live! That would mean alot for me!  : ok:

So your saying the majority of the people here want to hear the old stuff when they go to the next gnr tour?


I think future GNR sets will consist of the majority of the new album and the essential hits sprinckled in.


Yes, the majority peopel at a future GNR concert will more than likely have CD in their hands....There are a few big differences between GNR and the bands you mentioned and hwo they went about things....

GNR is not an old band making a new album. They are a new band with an old name making a new album. Hence the new fans of this band will want to hear the new stuff. Of course everyone would liek to hear the old stuff as well. Thats why Im sure Axl will throw in the jungles, scoms of the world. But the purpose of future tours will be to push and play CD.

Also for the most part Metallicas new music bombed. Hence no1 cared about the new stuff. If GNr put out something relevant and worth listening too it will be recieved well.




And this basically sums up the difference between me and you ...you are more wrapped up in the old stuff. Thats fine but thats why you tend to have a problem or look at things different with this band. I, and most peopel here look at this band as a new band and want to hear the new stuff and become fans of the new stuff. The old stuff was no doubt great. And we no doubt wanna hear some classics sprickled in. But we want the focus to be on the new band and new material....

I also hope you wont be the same guy bashing gnr if in fact they do play the old stuff on future tours...saying see look no1 likes the new stuff they are playing the old stuff....or see look Axl is indeed using the gnr and is playing the old stuff.....

I think the best tour will come IF this new band ever releases a 2nd and 3rd album. Imagine 5 yrs from now this band having 2 or 3 albums of their own material to play and then the oldtime hits. WHat an unpredicatble set that will be...but thats wishful and long term thinking. Dont get all ur panties up in a bunch

If its a concept album, I'd like to see them play it back to back, plus a few hits at the end.

Otherwise, I agree with the 2/3 new 1/3 old scenario. By old I mean AFD plus UYI's. If Axl has been going for the AFD sound, then he should be able to mix it up quite well.

Its probably going to be a given they open with WTTJ and end with PC.

I guess to start with, but if CD is a hit, then there's no reason why that shouldn't change. We need change!

I dont think thats a giving, at all, since I first seen gnr in 87 till last time in 02, the opening tune was at least for all the shows I had seen in the early yrs always changin, (back off Bitch, nightrain, WTTJ....and closings, varies at some shows, settled into PC, through the Illusion tour, but I like that estranged was one of the encore songs early on. BUt I see no reason, with a new band , new album, they wouldnt open and close with new material. Just makes sence to me.

I don't know what to call, people here really.. Some are axl fans or new gnr fans.. I'm speaking of guns n roses fans, the people that were out and about the first time around..  I also don'tr think most people seeing new gnr will have cd in hand because like most big time rock bands people want to see the show they aren't worried about the new material.// Everytime I se an older band I don't run out and buy their latest album because I already know the songs that will be played and I am past that chapter in my life of hunting for all new music from older bands..

You mentioned metallica... They actually had some big hits since(black album)  that had radio airplay that are still in rotation off Load n Relaod garage and I give you st anger (still sold 500,000+ opening week) I think certain bands like ac/dc or iron maiden can have the biggest fan following going to al, their concerts and never do good on new album sales.. people just love the hits..

As for more new I think that suits forum fans over long time fans.. No one is sitting around caring about cd like everyone else.. hell great deal of people who would see shows have no clue where axl is or what he is doing..  I am looking at these things as a eprson that asks many people about new gnr and if they ever heard of them.. I can count on one hand who knows that CD is taking forever or what the new band is.. Granted these are people thirty or older so I can not speak for the teens of today. I just personally believe the old time fans who will make a great deal of the audience would rather hear the mega hits the name made famous

Again, GNR is a totally different scenario than those othe rbands. This is not an old band making another album. This album has been highly anticipated and it is by a new band. They have kept the name. WHen people think of GNR nowadays they think about the whole CD scenario.

Please stop putting GNR in the same category as any other rock band scenario. Its not.


Again, those bands are not trying to do somehting new with their new stuff. You cant compare CD to an ACDC album.


I guess your friends dont watch much TV or read music magazines. Or keep up with the rnr scene. Any average rnr fan knows something about the GNr situation. They all know that it is Axl and a new band making this long delayed album. That is widely known by any run of th emill fan. And thats all they need to know. Whether they know whos in the band or not means jack shit. Actually its better for GNr if they dont know about them yet. Then I dont have to hear people liek you telling me these same people are going to the shows simply for the GNR nmae. Because it brings abck memories and lil hs kids are wearin the shirts.

The audience will consist of many kinds of fans. I would say more than half will consist of people who are tehre for the new material. That sif CD is good and does well. Of course there will be peopel there who dislike the new stuff and are only there to hear jungle or something. But the majority will be new blood....or peopel who actually are into the new band....

mmm    for respect towards, Slash and the former members, they -- axl and co.--shouldnt play a single song they havent written in the NU GNR days...

I believe Axl has earned the right to perform the songs he's always performed - songs which bear his voice, image, and words!  Songs which, if he doesn't keep alive through GN'R, might otherwise only become memories.  I'd rather the songs live on.  "''It is something I lived by before these guys were in it. And there were other people in Guns N` Roses before them, you know. I contemplated letting go of that, but it doesn't feel right in any way. I am not the person who chose to try to kill it and walk away.''

Well it doesnt really matter what I think about the band, but you know, the soul of GNR is not the same without the original members, since that is true, then, the old songs, dont have the same feeling, or the feeling they should have, adding some strange sounds and weird solos, well its ok that axl wants to go forward, but you know, something should never change...

change is inherent in what any living thing is.
like our lives, all of those changes which take place - they are what our life is.
our life doesn't cease to be our same life because of these changes
our life is "what it is" as it becomes "what it is"
its not a fixed entity!  at what point do you decide your life is what it is and that its all its ever going to be?
You may be married 20 years to the same person, have the same job, and live in the same house and never have any kids so that aspect doesn't change...
but is your life not actually changing every day - you are aging, you are learning, you are becoming you continuously.

so i view the 'life' or 'spirit' (you called it soul) of GN'R.
It remained and survived and developed and evolved past the departure of Steven, Izzy, Slash, & Duff.

I went into this in another topic.....


I hope you realize that I'm not putting down your sentiment - you wish that things had never changed.  That's understandable.  If you'd rather only ever hear the old songs from the old band...  that's an understandable feeling/emotion.  It's like a child whose parents divorce and then re-marry to others.  The new wife/step-mother may want to make spaghetti and meatballs for the child, and the child may refuse because its not the same as their real mother's spaghetti and meatballs.  Especially if  that child has a supply of the real mother's spaghetti and meatballs stored in a freezer - ready to heat and eat whenever they want - and enough to last them for the rest of their life.  The child may feel its inappropriate for the step-mother to make her spaghetti and meatballs... and how dare the father eat it or attempt to serve it!  He should know it's not the same as "mom's"...  nor will it ever be as good as "mom's".  Mom made hers with her 'soul'... something which the step-mom could never hope to duplicate.

So yeah, I understand.  I just have a different way of looking at it - different feelings.  To me, Axl IS the mom, and he's still serving his spaghetti.  ;)

 

I truly hope that isnt the case. If the shows arent say 90% new material, and 10 % old, I want to hear Illusion material over AFD. Keep SCOM and say RQ but bring on the UYI gems! Id love to hear the band open with You Aint the First or The Garden (dont ask me why, I just think the mood would be perfect!) and say close the show with Breakdown->Chinese D rocker->Coma->Chinese D epic-> Estranged :o

I don't agree with any of the first line..  Your average rock fan who maybe listens to Q104.3 (local classic rock station i nyc) doesn't know a damn thing about Cd.. I always hear something like oh axl came back at the vmas. Lets not get into what they say because it is a dead horse topic.. yes it is better people don't know who is in the band so people going to the shows are tricked into seeing a band that is not :hihi: paris hilton is the type that would wear a gnr t shirt or any other past famous rock groups..  She has a clue but doesn't at the same time.. trendy trendy trendy..

So your average older rock fan who already has their own music they collected growing up has no clue about cd or anything else.. I think people need to wake up and understand our dream world is a very private dream world and all this expectation is from cd is a private one only known by die hards and some people in the music industry.. More because it became a joke then expecting amazing material..

Many many famous groups do great in concert attendance but their sales aren't that great.. Keep believing everyone is waiting for cd and the fans going to see the shows called gnr are heading to the arenas to hear the latest music.. That old music sparked world domination, the new music is non existent yet and really not anticipated by anyone.. Older people aren't still sitting around reading metal edge hit parader and circus like they did when gnr was around.. maybe the kiddies are... I honestly doubt this group will ever tour and with axl's track record even if it happens it's bound to be short lived.. The man couldn't complete a 3 week tour in his round 1 comeback..

maybe you se this different then me.. I know when someone tells me hey I have an extra ticket to see stones, u-2, metallica, aeromsith or maiden I just expect to hear the music I love and see the artists who made the music too.. None of this researching the band, not oh what's their new music like?? is new gnr a new band?? Sure no doubt, but who knows this and really who gives a flying fuck in the real world.  The only band I can say for sure where the fans care is U-2, their new music always sells well and they are a world above gnr and just about any other present day band..  I was listening to a program on 104.3 and thye had sir paul on and he mentioned how he played mostly beatles and wings songs at his concert.. That's because people want that, not his latest creations.. That's for the die hards, like the people who hang around forums all day.. maybe the teenagers will love it..

Yeah, mikeg is totally right.  You guys need to talk to some average rock fans, cause they don't know jack shit about CD.  Back in 2002, when I told people I was going to see Guns N' Roses, the most common response I got was, "they're still around?"  And this was shortly after the VMAs, when they actually had some publicity going.  And these people I'm talking about are people who actually used to follow GN'R, and they had no idea about the new album or anything.  Aside from us diehards on this site, there really isn't as big a buzz as you might think for this album.

Well VR play STP and Gnr songs so its the same thing basically. I think Axl should just play a handful of old gnr songs tho like WTTJ, Scom, mr b, pc, patience, nov rain, kohd and then play the rest the songs on CD.

i totally 'get' what you're saying.  all of that being said and understood, however, consider that GN'R may very well release quite a few singles of the new material and people may very well look forward to hearing those new (hit) songs at the shows.   and i am talking about the general music fan / concert goer.

as far as people researching who is in the band...  i too don't believe thats something that people do.  they hear the music, they see the video.  if it sounds cool and they like the image of the band as presented either directly or indirectly in the video, hear/see/read about the band via TV, radio, magazines... and hear they're coming to town - they'll buy tickets.

but they don't bill themselves as guns n roses and stp, they just had a hand in creating them and giving the fans a treat.. Axl needs to play those old songs to give the fans the music thye came to hear..Sure people here would love a new gnr cd only concert but most normal people wouldn't.. Imagien going to a conceret not knowing most of the songs? The reason the 2002 msg show was awesome was because we were all able to sing along

yeah eva you will defeintly get a lot of new fans who are into the new tunes.. I was speaking of the older fans who saw gnr when it was gnr..

All this shit is just my feelings on the subject and how I usually act get when I go to see bands from my youth.. I never think about their new music anymore, I just care about the songs I grew up with..

Say the fan base is from late 20's to late 40's, most people have their music collection and selections already and will happily see a show billed gnr, but they most likely are going there expecting to hear their hits like most people seeing a famous band does.. Older people are set in there ways, it's just a true thing.. Music will be one of them too...

Exactly Eva. All my friends are into rock n roll, and know i adore /AxlGnR but they also think it's ridiculous how he calls this band GnR, and how long a recording process its been. Despite their preliminary doubts/hesitations, they'll buy the material if it's good and go to the concerts if they like what they hear. I think Axl's presence has been MIA for so long if you take 2002 out of consideration, that once he drops a KILLER and i mean a killer single, he will reign supreme again.

Thanks dude... people here must think I am just making things up.. An average rock fan from the age demographic that I talk to at work has their albums already and mostly just listen to classic rock radio stations.. They know nothing about cd or a new group or gnr really being around in any shape or form.. I know people that saw them back in the day, it's just now they are family men and have passed the stage of following bands that closely... They aren't on blabbermouth or metal sludge.. They most likely have their favorite band like myself and once loved gnr during their hayday and their HS years but as a band disappears and you grow up it's just normal to move on and cherish the music you grew up on.. You would still see a band you loved growing up but there's a good chance you have no interest in anything they are doing now but would see a familiar live show for the memories or entertainment value..

There are many bands I grew up loving through the late 80's and early 90's but I only know the name now and couldn't tell you anything they are working on or going to release now.. I couldn't tell you who was in the band I just know the name when I hear it and would probably blindly go to the concert expecting what made them famous along with the people in the band who I remember.. if I go to see motley crue and only vince neil was there I would be like why is this being billed as motley crue and where the fuck is nikki tommy and mick??? So alot of people enjoyed gnr, saw them in the day and know the name but have no idea past there.. Everyone who has an older band who had fame think their groups' album is highly anticipated by the opublic or that they will start some simliar revolution they did back in their prime.. I will not disagree that in the rock world among musicians and some die hard fans that cd is known and anticpate it's release...

it's like buckethead is in the Former GNr member section... I say PLEASE, the guy was never gnr and nobody even knows he plus he was never apart of any album release by the name..  Only forum fans know or care about this useless fact.. Not knocking the guys talent, I happened to like the guy

Well if you live in, say Bath, you're likely to be surrounded by English . If you live in Guatemala, you perhaps hear Spanish everyday.
Whoever you mingle with, you don't know what people think any further and what they will say in the future.
I agree with Eva and mainman.

The topic says "when CD comes out" to begin with, does nay? 8)

All you said is? a plus for gnr and Axl. You say a lot of fans dont know about Axl and the new gnr and how is that bad? They will just happen one day to hear a new gnr single on the radio or see the cd on release day and say HOLY SHIT what is this. And they will eat it up. How is that bad? Its not a bad thing the majorty of gnr fans have not been waiting for this album since 1999 like we have. Its a good thing and they will be suprised when they hear the first single and see the album  on the rack.

We'll all be surprised when we hear the first single and see the album on the rack.

I don't think the old fans will be immune to appreciating or getting into the new songs.  (Though I suspect there will be those who will deny it  :hihi:)

Though, yes, older fans are going to want more of the old songs.  I don't think it has so much as being set in thier ways though... I think it has to do with older fans having known and loved more of the songs. 

The more old songs the perform, however, the greater the risk of them being considered a "tribute band" (albeit with the founding frontman with the definitive identifying voice).  Axl may very well be willing to risk what some will say/think in order to please fans....   Or he may very well be willing to risk not re-attracting a portion of the older fans.  It's a toss up from where I see it.  Whatever is best for the band, I presume, is what will decide it.  And though personally I want to hear more of the new material at the shows, whatever is going to be best for the band is what matters.

dave if you followed the coversation you would understand I never said it was good or bad.. I was responding to YG who said the average rock fan knows about what is going on with cd at the very least and I stated the regular rock fan doesn't have a clue in the age of the fans who originally followed gnr.. Maybe the people I know don't know these things because they do physical labor at work and don't have countless hours to waste on a PC... maybe the office worker knows better.. I just know the people I work with an ossociate with don't sit around reading metal sludge or blabbermouth or even buy metal edge circus or hit parader anymore.. Getting into newer music is definetly a younger persons way when they are creating their tastes and collection of favs.. I'm sure axl will have devoted new fans who are nice and young who will buy many albums and older fans who will be buying lots of tickets to see him live to take a page out of their younger days and experience those awesome hits

if it's good I will say so but to me personally I won't consider it new guns n roses material.. Just axl rose material...
it's pretty simple eva.. When I was in HS I use to buy tons of newer records and really care about the movements going on.. Maybe it was because I reallyu liked 80's metal and grunge... Could have been it was just better music then the past 5 years or so.. Now over ten years out of HS I buy very few records and tend to enjoy the big selection of music I have collected since my youth.. Pretty sure that is fairly normal as you get older especially if you grew up during an era where the music was great..

That tribute band comment I don't agree with.. If you are going to keep the name guns n roses then you should act like gnr.. If gnr stayed together and the badn never broke up they could play a song from 87 or 2005 and no one would even think that.. As long as it's billed as gnr and axl fronts the band I kind of expect to hear the classics.. What happens (if it happens) is all speculation but I was sepaking for the older fans not the new ones.. it may just be me.. if Zepplin got back together I would just excpect to hear mostly the stuff I grew up hearing, the music that gets play time on the radion for the past decades.. The fan base that is the strongest will always be the people who were there the first time when the band was big and that's a big reason to keep the big popular songs in there... Sure you should drop one or two to make room for some newer ones.. you can't go by what people want on a gnr fan forum because they aren't typical fans..

I dont like the road this is going down, lets try and get back on track where will they play mostly CD tracks

lets just say it needs to come out firsr dave.. A tour has to happen first and some singles released to the radio and videos to mtv.. Axl is going to introduce you to music he plans on releasing so of course more new material will be played then the past tour.. Only makes sence.. Unless he drops a few from the past tour and adds new ones then it would be the same.

And it's not  a bad road it's going down.. You have gnr fans from different times on this board with different opinion so just hear what is said and understand..  I was only doing a contrast between older fans and younger ones and regular rock fans compared to hard core gnr fans on message boards...

I just meant the road about Axl should not call this band gnr, i didint want to go that route.

Oh yeah, if you developed your musical taste during the 80s and 90s you've definitely encountered a great time for rock n' roll.? : ok:?
Yet, just as I never found the music of the 60s and 70s off limits of my discovery, neither have I insulated myself from what newer rock genre's have offered.
I think there will always be a revisiting of older/classic music, and simultaneously a progression/ forward motion that re-defines and expands the rock genre.?
While we may have a certain attachment or special place in our hearts for a certain era...? ?I don't believe that it would or should define what is genuine, nor limit what we can enjoy and 'get into'.? But, ah, perhaps I see it that way because I am over 20 years out of highschool!? ? ?Who knows what will music will motivate or inspire you in the next 10 years of your life that will come to be as deserving of a special place in your heart as the GN'R era of 87 - 93!?


Of course, if it was Axl, Slash, and Duff they could play nothing but classics no one would call them a tribute band!? (though, if that was all they performed and never created or performed anything new they would actually be playing tribute or memorializing the past - alebit their own).? ;)

I agree that the new band can play a song from 87 and no one would think of them as a tribute band.? What's to consider however is how much old material they could play before some would characterize them as such.? It is this factor of extent that I addressed when? I said "The more old songs the perform, however, the greater the risk of them being considered a "tribute band".


Yeah, either Axl will attempt to take everything (and everyone) into consideration, or he will come to a realization that there is no feasible way to address "everything" or to please "everyone" so he'll just end up going with what feels right to him and the band.... if adjustments are needed over time, they'll see it and make them, but they have to start somewhere.

I guess that is what we're spculating about.? How much old material vs. new will they begin with.? Speculation not withstanding, I'm not worried about it.? As a GN'R fan, I'm pretty much bound to trust in Axl and the band otherwise I'd be a wreck!?? :hihi:

[I agree with alot of what your saying eva, myself being out of HS for 17 yrs, I still find music out thier that I get into, and stuff I like, and Im all for goin to shows of nw bands and buyin thier music.

I dont think everyone is "set in thier ways" as you indicate Mike as they get older, I know many people that I associate with , that are progressive as I am, as far as music is concerned. they, I did stop caring about new music because I turned 30, perhaps there are like yourself that have . But GNR to me when they tour again, is goin to be very refreshing, and not unlike Aerosmith(and I saw thier horrible DONE WITH MIRRORS tour),GNR I believe will take the old fans that want to come along, and build a completely larger new audience, that down the line will be goin to see the shows, BECAUSE of the new material. Thats the way I see it.

if they played less than 7 AFD songs, i would be disappointed big time. and i think many others would as well.

they should play about 7 new ones, 8 AFD and about 5 UYI.

axl kept the gnr name for a reason. i don't think he cares who wrote what and who he's currently playing with.

I fucked up the whole quote... This was my response tou you jaz and eva

I know all older people are not going to limit their musical experiences.. I was only talking about older gnr fans and what they might expect at a gnr show today..  many bands out there have trouble getting their new material across but their old material is what keeps the generation heading to the concerts.. I was talking about your older average rock fan who kind of isn't in the hunt anymore and has his music but can enjoy a new song if it's quality.. I really enjoyed vr and their shows this year, and I liked their album.. So anything is possible..  As I said before and firmly believe someone like gnr who was kings of the world in their day will probably have an older audience who really love the old songs and missed hearing them for so many years.. So they have high hopes possibly.. Nothing made me happier when I went to msg then being able to sing along  with all the songs and hearing those great songs live again.. I did enjoy maddy a tthe show but it didn't give me the same feeling the opening chord of jungle, scom, or PC did.. Maybe it's because it was during my youth adn forming years where I can relate and look back at times in my life.. Kind of like anthems of your life.. Now I'm just a married dad who still loves a good time just not as use to getting into newer music..

I'm sure the youth will embrace the music and buy lots of albums... But for me I think the older fans (not all of them) will be at the concerts not knowing the newer stuff just wanting to hear some old time great tracks in concert.. I see how nostalgic people older are and people I associate with.. They get tickets from time to time from say their wives company to see motley crue or the stones and they haven't really thought about these bands or their music in years.. They just chat about the classics and say how excited they are to hear them again..

As for the set in theri ways, and can't teach anb old dong new tricks.. It's a saying that was definetly formed from truth.. I work with people all the time that only do things one way and only say how good it was and how everything today sucks.. Wrong attitude imo but nopt far from the truth..

I understand where your coming from dude, and there is alot of merit, and validity to what you say, but that is from only a perspective a slice of life so to speak.

When I pointed out Aerosmith and Done with Mirrors, I was 16 at the time, and I was just getting into "my identity of music" , which thru the yrs has always broaden for me, and that was supposed to be thier comback album. No one ot the show gave a fuck about those tunes, and that album, it was like your senerio with GNR and the older members.

But look what happened, "PREMANANT VACATION" came out, still held teh fans of old, and brought on many new. ANd how many albums have they put out since? Yes it became more about the new stuff, and less about the olsd, but they always cater to the old, and new, cause the new fans buy back catalogues, and they immerse themselves with all the music they can for a band they love.

Im a huge Floyd fan, by 16 I had all thier music up to the Final Cut.
Never thought I would ever see them live(beit without waters), but then the division bell came out, and Floyd fans all over old and New bought it, and went to the shows.Thats what I'm talkin about with GNR!

I'd be highly surprised if they didn't play all but maybe the two or three weakest tracks, but I'd say they'll end up playing the entire album during the tour. IE, U2 has played all of 'How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb' on this tour except for 2 tracks, the two which some consider the album's weakest songs. They'll ALWAYS play 'Jungle', 'SCOM', 'November Rain', and 'Paradise City'...

they were also playing vertigo twice per show.. That's fucking weak dude..

jaz division bell came out in 1994 if I remember correctly and was number one in the top 200.. Aeromsith to me is amazing.. I liked permanet vacation, but my favorite newer album was get a grip..Some great songs on their which really launched them.. I'm sure in 86 run dmc really helped them with their fame get back.. Hopefully axl can do something like aero putting out new material for nearly 20 years.. Aero is one of the fw groups that really got a second chance and did better the second time around.. I also think albums like Pump n PV really fit into the hair metal era which helped them make a good transition..

To add to what jazme n eva said,

It's more likely that young fans will be attending concerts while older fans will be listening to albums sitting back at home except for the die-hards that have followed the whole saga.

Why should the new fans be all young? The Music fans are the people of any age who're eager to get into the music new n great to them unless they hold a grudge against the artist for some reason, to get the records n the tickets they can afford.

As for the old guns fans, in Axl's words

''I'd like to take some of the old Guns fans along with me gradually into the twenty-first century''

Take it or leave it. :peace:

Mike, you make some valid points. The original fans of the band are much different than the newer generation of fans. We experienced GNR in real time, seen things as they unfolded. And us "old" fans identify GNR with AFD, Lies, and UYI. The "new" fans have to read articles, listen to bandmembers distorted points of view, and think this newer GNR is somehow similar to past GNR. When a "new" fan hears old GNR, they dont have memories come back to them the way it is when we listen to the old stuff. you're absolutely right, most old fans do not follow new GNR. The age range of old fans is 30-45. Most people that age dont have the time, or the dedication, to keep following Axl. Only the extreme hardcore stay interested. The new fans haven't waited for shit. Lets say the 'new' fans got into them in 99/2000. They've had 5 killer albums to listen to for the first time while they wait for CD. So any material that Axl plays to the new fans is interchangeable. Yes, most old fans who go to the next tour will want to hear strictly the old material, while most new fans wil want a mixture of both. But having said that, I am in the minority on this issue. I am mostly interested in hearing new material. Sure, the old stuff is excellent, and brings back great memories of the past. But I have been listening to those albums since 1987. I have also heard countless bootlegs, and seen GNR live back on the first leg of the UYI tour. That was the prime for that material to be performed. Lets say Axl does a surprise performance hear in Modesto, CA tonight and I go to the show. I am much more interested in hearing CD, The Blues, and the unveiling of Catcher in the Rye, This I Love, and Prostitute than I am in hearing Jungle or Paradise City. But thats just me. I can certainly relate to those who only want to hear old stuff. It symbolizes a special time in their lives. But GNR has basically been stuck in a timewarp, and that contributes to people wanting to relive the past glory. Personally, I'm looking forward to a forward movement of progress.

my honest fear is that he avoids playing the old material.  I think this would alienate many of the old fans and it would have a negative effect on future show turnouts.  Let's face it, Guns N Roses have released songs that are considered classics.  They have their place in the history of rock and roll.  If they refuse to play those hits, the band is making a big mistake. 

They can concentrate on some of the newer songs, but I would say 5-6 new songs at the most.  I remember when I saw David Bowie in 1995 (NIN was opening, they were who I went to see), I was very dissapointed in his setlist.  It was all his new industrial stuff.  It was awful.  Play the new music, but be sure to throw the classics in there. 

A lot of bands do this. Pearl Jam does it,and so does U2. You have to understand the new guys are not going to stand to play just 5 songs off of CD. They are going to want to play 75% of the stuff they made. Look at when UYIs came out. Gnr dropped a lot of the AFD songs off the set list.

Did Axl make some comment by the time the 3rd album comes out he hopes to be playing just new songs and no old stuff?

I understand that Pearl Jam and U2 do this... but these are bands that are constantly touring.  GNR's attempted comeback failed, and before that a lot of people hadn't heard the band play since 1993.  It is one thing to gradually stop playing the old stuff like Pearl Jam has done (I can't speak for U2, I am not a big fan), but it is another thing to just cut out everything suddenly. 

Believe me, its not an easy answer at all.  Because I have missed out on GNR 4 times in my life (once in 91, once in 92, twice in 02) I want to hear the old stuff.  If I went to a show now and I did not hear some familiar stuff I would be disappointed. 

let me correct that last sentence, I would like to hear mostly familiar stuff, not just some familiar stuff...

I don't think they would cut out ALL the old songs right away but I think they will play just the classics and not add anymore UYI songs. Like I said I think WTTJ, SCOM, PC, Mr B, patience, KOHD and Nov Rain will be a given then the rest of of the set would be all of or most of CD. As a gnr fan do you think most would be happy if they played those songs and no other old gnr songs? That is 7 songs and you have to think they will play about a 20-25 song set.

To be honest if I only heard 5 new gnr songs on the next tour I would be really pissed off. I want to hear at least half the set be the new songs. I dont need to hear songs like out to get me , my michelle, think about you, etc etc.

Axl can alwawys rotate the classics like one night take out Mr B and put it its so easy or what not.

its hard to say.  I just went back and counted the amount of songs at 4 random shows in 93 and they ranged from 16-19 songs.  And in 2002 I counted 18 songs for 2 random shows I counted.  None of those are including the drum/guitar solos and different intros.  So I think that 20-25 songs per show is not realistic. 

Lets think about how many classics we have... off the top of my head, WTTJ, SCOM, PC, Don't Cry, November Rain, KOHD, YCBM, Patience, and LALD.  That is not including the 'lesser known' classics Estranged and Mr. Brownstone.  That right there is 9 songs.  So lets say that Axl continues with the 18 song set (a strong possibility)...  I think he almost has to play those 9 songs initially to satisfy his older fans.  Then for good measure I think he should throw in Estranged, Mr. Brownstone, Its So Easy, and another UYI song. 

So if he only does 3 of those since Estranged does not seem like a possibility, then that is 12 songs already.  I think that leaves us 6 new songs to be played.  I don't think that it all that bad. 

Why do people always leave out NIght train! jeez..shit that is one of the most loved(at least for me tunes)..Personally I think that Nighttrain will be included in any set they do.

Guys, Axl already talked about this in Rio back in 2001. He said he would never deny his fans of hearing the old stuff because he knows everyone loves them. So dont expect him to drop the classics, I think 6 or 7 songs will be new and the rest classics. Atleast the first tour.

I agree with just about all you said being there in the glory days, hearing those albums when they ruled the planet.. How some younger fans will never understand the feeling and have to try and live it now.. I would be happy with a 20 songs setlist with 5-6 new the rest classics. I think album sales, and how the singles chart with how much more the newer music is played live..

I know I am big into the gnr name..I am stating this strictly because it is a new band with a name that people hold sacred.. I think it would had been easier to had started everything new including the name so there wouldn't be expectations to hear the old music.. It's like going to see vr and demanding gnr or stp tunes... With a new name it would have been simple to see it wasn't gnr and it was a new band so don't expect to hear the classic, just be happy if he threw you some.. I also think people would focus on the material more then the past with a new group and name,...  it is what it is though

I almost can't talk myself into believing axl will ever release CD or do an elaborate tour with no major fuck ups really hurting his mates who were very pacient.

Also I see many people always posting axl quotes, I say fuck the quotes these days.. It's a nice reference but I think plans have changed so many times that nothing of that is relevant anymore.. We don't even know axl's state of mind these days and what his priorities are.. he's a rich dude with a good life getting a record out is not a life thing anymore.. Great material seems to happen when bands are hungry to make it.. Just like a boxer they always seem better on the way up, not when they get to the top of the mountain.. They kind of forget what got them there

nah man you can't just say fuck what Axl has said recently.  Of course plans have certainly changed, but its obvious that he is the only one whose word will mean anything when it comes to touring and the release of Chinese Democracy.  When he (rarely) speaks it is the only time I actually listen.  Its the rest of the band I have said 'fuck what they say' to. 

I agree with your analogy though about being on top.  There is not that threat of survival driving him.  I am sure he has a ton of pressure on him to deliver, but it is not going to mean he won't be eating or staying under a roof for a while if he does not deliver.  GNR have already been at the top of the world.  To me its like Michael Jordan's comeback with the Wizards.  People will take notice, but in the end they will remember and judge you on what you used to be.  There is nothing that can be done to change that perception that people already have. 

I disagree but that's ok it's our views on it././ I feel axl had many different intentions and I'm sure his word was gold at the time because he had a plan.. I just don't think what he said is relevant to these times..  He has said so many things about songs and cd coming out next summer or wrapping it up.. What he said in 2001 at rio 3 to me is totally irrelevant now.. Far to much time has passed and plans changed for him to stil be on the same path.. There's no way he would have done vegas rio and the three week NA tour in 2002-vmas to be gone for many years after.. Could be lack of confidence, could be cold feet, or it could be he is no longer driven, or finally he will never be happy and that will cause the band to unravel :-\

sorry i was away for the weekend...

again Mike, your not understanding what Im saying. I didnt say the average rock fan knows about CD. I said they KNOW that the Slash n company are not in GNR and that Axl has been working on a new, long delayed album with a new cast of chararcters for quite some time now. Say what you want, but the average Rock fan KNOWS THAT.


Never said every1 is waiting for CD like we are. But your not making sense. There will of course be people going to gnr concerts soley for the old material. But those peopel wont fill up the arenas.

Lets look at the facts.2002 tour
for the most part they avergaed half the arena. So what does that tell you about the other half that didnt show? It tell sme 2 things. 1) the old gnr fans werent buying what Axl is doing with this new band so they didnt show. And it tells me the lack of new material didnt draw any new fans.

So Mike lets figure this out. The old time gnr fan will not just come to the show and see gnr for the sake of seeing. They clearly made that statement in 2002. Please stop discrediting the gnr fan and the rock fan for that matter.

And another thing your not understanding is the other bands stuff. GNr is not like th eother bands!Its a different scenario. A unique scenario. Its a new band with new material just with an old name. ANd people KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT. SO they will make their choices from there. U2 is basically the only band you mentioned that peopel go and see their new material for. Thats all they basically play on their tours is new stuff with the hits sprinckeled in. Its not complicated. The other bands are has beens and are based on their old material. Unless CD is a bomb GNr will not fall under that category. Get it through your head.

ok and? ?Whether its called gnr or Malibu Mafia who the fuck cares. Its music. If it hits your emotions then its doing the job. Music is not sports. Actaully its the exact opposite. In sports the majority of peopel root for the team name no matter what players play under that name. In music its the actuall music and personalities in the band that draw you in. Not a name. If GNR does that then there job is done.


First off GNr dont act. They are what they are. And GNr today has the same spirit and attitrude of the past. Axl doesnt care about what you or any1 else says or thinks and they are making the music they wanna make. Now they have to put it out......

Why? What if the new stuff is just as good as the old stuff?


GNr is not going to center their stuff around the old material whether you liek that thought or not. The new material will either draw in more of the old gnr fans or push them away. The new music will either get new fans or not get any new fans. The marketing of the band will be based on songs off CD not AFD. Of course they will sprinckel in a few oldies. But the focus will be on the new material. SO if you dont like it dont go.

younggunner, if they aren't going to focus on the old material then why take the GNR name?  It is a vicious cycle.  To me, the reason he took the name is because he wanted to be able to play the old material with no qualms.  You can quote him all you want on how he did not leave it to die like the old members did, blah blah blah...  No way would Axl ever come out and say "and I wanted to justify playing the old songs at our shows to try and attract more people to shows and to buy our new album".  I think its ridiculous to ignore that fact. 

As for the 2002 tour, there were a lot of problems with that.  I personally believed there was a pretty big lack of promotion.  I also think that ticket prices were too high.  I had some great seats for the DC and SC show, but I think I still paid a bit much for a band that hasn't been touring or released an album since 1993. 

Also your theory about the 'older fans' not filling the seats while feasible, is not really a good possibility.  People did not come to shows for the reasons I mentioned above.  For anyone who did watch the VMA's (probably the only exposure the majority of people had to the 'new' band) they probably felt the band was a joke and that Axl sounded poorly, which he pretty much did.  And if you do not believe that ask your "average rnr fan" as you put it who saw the VMAs.  Nobody wanted to see Axl the washup and his freakshow play any songs at all. 

I never said they are going to ignore the old material. But Mike is implying that GNr will be like these other bands and just play a 2002 setlist when the new album drops. And that wont be the case. Axl has kept th ename because in his mind GNr should still be out there. Thats a for another thread. I dont think Axl has any intention in denying you the old hits. But at the same time it wont be the main focus of the band. Nor should it be.

Do you honestly think Axls main reason for keeping the GNr name is for sales and fans reasons? If they went under a different name it would have gotten the same reaction as it did on the 2002 tour. Again another thread for that topic...

And I said that the lack of new material and promotion was a reason for the half empty arena. It was a  huge reason.
So when the album hits stores and the promotion is out there peopel will see and hear the new band and material. they will then make their choice of whether this new material and new band works for them. Its not that complicated.

Exactely! So liek the 2002 tour and in the future GNr will have to ear back the respect of the old fans and attract new fans in order to sell out arenas. THE NAME ALONE WONT GET IT DONE.
new music,new music,new music

There're always tons of tribute bands and old videos for you.

Part and parcel of the project, which is the motives and the goals, is the last things to change in substance.
The schedule, the methods or the means, any side issues can be changed about, sometimes in order to keep the project true to the essentials.

what are you talking about tribute bands..  Any band that keeps a name with a huge audience is going to be expected to play the material that made them big..  Call yourself something else if you want all your new material to be focused on..

you really give humans to much credit. because vr exists and people saw the vmas they still have no fucking clue who's in the band or that slash is out.. How many people asked me why was slash wearing a bucket on his head.. If an older fan that isn't following the drama sees GNR to play msg they are going to just assume the gnr they know is the gnr that will be there..

None of this shit really matters anyway, there will most likely be no music or tours just like the past few years.. Only if axl was as involved with the music as the fans on htgth were :D


really?? How does every other big time rock band who barely sells or make new music do it then? Iron maiden could sell out any arena and never play a song from the past decade.. Metallica could tour in the same venues two nights in a row with nothing new and they will sell out the shows...  people didn't show up to all the axl rose shows because the promo sucked ass... I saw so many older people at msg, old Bj's from back in the day shoe horned into their licra, leather vinyl pants.. Fat beer bellied slobs in their gnr t shirts...
With proper promo they will do good either way with new material or the setlist of old..

How much huge audience with the name are still there again? Isn't it you who keeps estimating it low.

If Chinese Democracy makes them big, what's the problem there?

Well as long as they don't play Think About You, I'll be happy!

if we're thinking and debating about it this much - then its a given that Axl and the whole Guns camp is aware of this "issue"....

if the CD has 18 songs and off it they progressively release 5 - 6 singles and the tour set is to consist of 18 songs...? perhaps the proportion will be something like this:

WTTJ
SCOM
PC
NR
Patience
KOHD or LALD ? ? ? (alternating in setlist)
YCBM OR Rocket Queen (alternating in setlist)
Brownstone OR Nightrain (alternating in setlist)
Think About You OR ?It's So Easy ?(alternating in setlist)
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? = 7 old/classic songs in the setlist

Chinese Democracy
Madagascar
The Blues
Oh My God
IRS
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? = 5 songs of the new gnr era we already know
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
sub-total? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?=12

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?+ 6 new era gnr songs

(for example only)
Catcher in the Rye ? - ?Much anticipated
This I Love ? ? - ? ? ?Much anticipated
Prostitute/ TWAT (the Paul Buckmaster tracks)
Seven/Leave Me Alone/General/Thyme (the beltrami tracks)
Ides of March
Oklahoma


? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? = 18 total songs for the setlist

How does that sound to you all?


(note if the set list were longer than 18 I'd say more new era GN'R songs ie: Silkworms, Rhyiad - not more old )

I don't know when I said their attendance for a well promoted tour would be... I always said I think the album sales might be lower then the multi million people are predicting, but by no means do I think a band called guns n roses would have a poor showing at 15-20K seater arenas... I might have said it doesn't matter who is in the band or how great the material is to get good showings at concerts.. All you need is the name gnr on the ticket and at least axl rose singing and the fans will come..

I do think if the ticket said axl rose instead of gnr or the same for a new album the gnr one would sell so much more.. I have always viewed gnr at their best kind of like seinfeld... The show is amazing because of each star's contributions, them as a team is amazing.. They still have talent on their individual sitcoms/side projects but nothing like they had as one..  GNR is now iconic, it is also trendy.. Fucking K mart is selling gnr t shirts. I see them used for rockabilia, k mart adds in maxim magazine.. So to me gnr is bigger then the band itself and as long as axl uses that name it will be seen as a pleasure to say HEY I SAW GNR

Anticipated by the band or the forum fans?? Just curious...

I said it before 6 new songs the rest classics, if the album does amazing and the single/videos top the charts mix it up from show to show

Mike, do you mean YOUR average RN'R fans who haven't even heard of the CD business by the alleged huge older attendance the name gnr would draw?


That's exactlly what the audience, old or new will feel after CD hits the scene. They'll be eager to here the music they love and see the artists who made the music too. : ok:

Much anticipated by us fans ;) 

I am curious about the discussion that dave and I had earlier... how many songs do people realistically expect to be played on a new tour assuming it happens?  I am sticking with my guess of 18 songs a night.  I know Dave mentioned 20-25.  There may be a special show or two where that happens, but I think that estimate for an average night is too high.

I think 18 is a reasonable expectation  : ok:

I'll tell you what I'd like...

I'd like there to be no guarantee that I'm going to hear Welcome to the Jungle
I'd like there to be no guarantee that I'm going to hear Sweet Child O' Mine
I'd like there to be no guarantee that I'm going to hear X number of songs from (insert album name)
I'd like there to be no guarantee that the show closes with Paradise City

If this band is going to be "Guns N' Roses", then what I think should happen is they should learn as many of the old songs as possible & of course all of their new material.  Then draw up a different setlist for every fucking show!  You guys talk about how talented they are, yet you're all coming up with a "routine" and "hoops" for the band to jump through... "How many times would you like to see Axl do his snake dance?", "Do you think Mr. Brownstone should be followed by a rant?"

Ok, they will need to promote their new material so the setlist may be a little heavy towards new songs, but I don't want to know exactly which new songs will be played... I also don't want to know exactly which old songs they are going to play.  Some of the suggestions I've heard in this thread sound like the most boring concerts ever ("Ok ok, they play all of CD, open with Jungle, close with PC and sprinkle in SCOM and November Rain").

If I'm at a concert and I honestly don't know what the next song is going to be, THAT'S exciting... and if my favourite GN'R song doesn't make the setlist?  All the more reason to hit up the next concert in the next city.

That sounds good to me.  : ok:

I like the idea of mixing it up, definitely - I'd like to attend several shows when they tour and you have an excellent point.  :beer:

AwesomE!!! ?: ok: That would be great and it's basically what i'm thinking too, but You can prolly pretty much Guarantee that NR will be played. That song is Axl's baby, his crowning moment, I think he'll always play it.

I'm not sure but i think that since UYI's NR has always been a middle song for pretty much every show, please correct me if I'm wrong but I think it has.

i just want it to vary from show to show unlike the last tour.  nothing original that would make you want to go to more than one show, y'know.  i'd like to see something like this (in no order):

WTTJ
OTGM/mr. brownstone
SCOM
PC
patience
civil war/double talkin' jive
estranged/NR/don't cry
KOHD/live n let die
chinese democracy
the blues
maddy
I.R.S.

and then the new songs.

but i don't wanna neciscaily end with PC.  a new song may be cool to end with.

Hmm, They played about 120 mins of 18~19 songs + solos n such in 02
I'd estimate the number of the songs to be smaller than that when they play the songs off CD and at about 12~17. I say 15  for now.

I gather from what Tommy said, that he didn't get a chance to hear all of the mixed songs cos he was pressed for time, The 6 of pretty epics Tommy hadn't heard finished till then and managed to hear might be indeed very long. You don't just have one go to check out the mind-blowing pieces you worked on. Maybe they are the orchestral ones. He says A few of the songs are pretty epic in length and all the six are fucking huge epics.

I highyly fukin doubt they will play every fukin song on CD.  Where are some of you guys from anyway, like retard land or something.

Dumbest fukin thing Ive ever read, Do you really think there only gonna play 3or4 older tunes.  WTF.

Likely as not. Like it or not.  Actually I'd like less oldies than that but I shouldn't ask too much.

Why you call the idea 'the Dumbest fukin thing'? Care to elaborate?

You really think the new band is going to want to still play more old gnr songs than the new ones they had a part in writing? If it ever gets to the 3rd album, I think it will be all new songs save wttj, pc, scom and nov rain.

Dave are you tellin me? :'(

Just curious, do you know how many AFD songs (on average) they played on the UYI tour?

a lot, but that's because they had no fucking music really.. They had toured for some years with only one album so they had to expand..

I just checked out some old set lists and they played WTTJ, NT, ISE, Mr.B, SCOM, PC, and Patience pretty regularily with the odd my michelle, move to the city, you're crazy or rocket queen. but no more than 6 or 7 non-uyi tracks per night.

Then they had Drum solo, Guitar Solo Piano Solo and Godfather for interludes

and a total of about 20-26 songs.

So for an example lets use 22 songs on average (that's how many songs they played when i saw them in 2002)

So 6 of 22 is about 1/4 of the show. so based on the UYI tour I'll say they'll play about 6 or 7 old tunes played not 4 OK?  : ok: (I dunno, maybe WTTJ, SCOM, NR, Patience, YCBM, PC & KOHD?)

then a drum solo, 2 guitar solos and a Piano solo, that makes 10 or 11 songs total so that leaves us with 11 or 12 new songs to play (out of 15 from the interscope rumor, or 18 like Axl's statement in 2002) Is that better?

I mean they will be promoting CD not older albums so concerts WILL be heavy on new tracks, without a doubt

If they play any drum solos or any guitar solo/excursion over two minutes, I'll shoot Nesquick and James. :o :hihi:

 >:( Do you mind!  I'm cherishing hopes for the Brains Mountol.  :hihi:

as for your second sentence, Go ahead either way.  :P

I saw Brain do a wicked drum solo with Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains. It was pretty bad ass. He's the real deal. That was more of an experimental show. With Gnr, I would like to hear more songs...especially new songs. I don't mind short solo's, just not the twenty minute kind like on the uyi tour. :peace:

Ugh, twenty minutes of matts drum solo......how terrific.
Well Maybe that was to let the other members take a 20 minutes rest.

Nope. It was to give me a twenty minute beer and piss break. It was brutal. :hihi:

So it wasn't all that bad, aye?  :hihi:
Somehow I tend to get very inattentive after a while (not longer than 45 mins) that I'd love such a break.


 :confused: You mean Brain's Montreux? Learn to spell! :P

I bet my left nut they play more than 4 older songs.  Thats my point.

WTTJ
SCOM
NR
PC

those are the definitie hits.  those are the most recognizable Guns N' Roses songs. these are THE classic

As much as I'd love RQ, Patience, KOHD, and LALD to be included...  :drool:
I don't expect to hear any old songs other than WTTJ, SCOM, NR, & PC when they tour with the new album.

The thread is  premature. Doesn't there need to be a release of new  material ( a new CD), or at least the mention of a new tour, before the speculation begins?

what??? Are you kidding me, CD has been called the greatest album ever already :D Album, we don't need no stinking album...

Ofcourse they wont play all of CD, Tell me what band plays all of their new album on tour??? most of it is stuff that could not be recreated live because of effects etc. there will be alot of old stuff because it is the way it should be.....

if you`re talking about CD with the effects and stuff, i think that`s one of the reasons why we have mr chris pittman in the ship.