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 Yo,
? I'm in trouble here people. Since we've been hearing the faster versions of the old Appetite songs the past few years.........I'm startin' to think that they sound better in the "sped up" versions?? ???

 My favorite GNR song,ever,is "It's So Easy". It's kinda hard to listen to the AFD original,as I like how it's just a little bit faster now.
 This is also with most of the other songs too.

 Whattya guys think??? Am I crazy???? Am I wrong??? You guys have to admit that they do sound pretty cool. Better?? We'll see.
 
 Jarmo!! Do a poll!!? Original AFD vs. New AFD!!


The question is: Will we ever SEE the re-recorded "New" Appetite??

I don't think Slash and Co. should really care,as they would still get the same royalties,etc. They still own the songs,no matter what version they are produced,would get paid accordingly.
 
 I also don't think they will,'cause it's a pride thing.
What if it IS released and most agree that it sounds better than the original from '87??? Do you know what that would do to someone?? It's called Confidence Shattering Mindfuck.?
 
Imagine,if Axl and the current version of GNR put out a better product than the first version??
 Those other guys would be destroyed.

Of course....what is to stop Axl from releasing it??? I mean,he does OWN part of those songs too.
 We could still see that album some day. After we get the CD album that is. ;)

? ?See-ya!

 GNR FOREVER!!

? ? ?MATT

For instance, the old band played It's So Easy faster live than on record, so I don't think we'd be able to answer until we've heard the "re-recorded AFD".

First of all there's nothing that's stopping Axl from releasing new versions of the old songs, and yes the original members will get royalties.  In my mind there is no doubt that the new one won't touch the old one because AFD made so much history and it's so well known that a  new AFD album will be just another cover album but with Axl singing worse on it.  OH, and define better?  The drunken swagger and the odd duff (sorry the pun) note on AFD is part of the feel and atmosphere of that album.  Polishing it up and adding lighting fast solos isn't going to make it sound better, nor is using less cowbell and less bass drum. 

As the saying goes, why fix something when it ain't broke?

Just another note, I think if this new AFD exists, why not release it free online hahahha 

There is absolutely no point in rereleasing AFD.
What purpose would it serve?
I hate when bands dwell on the past. Each record is a snapshot of that moment in time, there's no point in recreating it. The world is not 1987 anymore, the circumstances arent the same, pop culture isn't the same, the band is not the same (person wise or personality wise).

It even pisses me off that bands are cashing in on these useless "Deluxe Editions" of CDs, filling the second CD with 90% crap that is cool the first time you ever listen to it, but has the replay value of MC Hammer.

But as for the old bands AFD live vs the new band live...
I really do like the new bands version of My Michelle moreso than anything I heard by the old band. Buckethead's solo was so funky in it. Gave it a whole new feel.
Out Ta Get Me was pretty cool with the new band too, but seems totally irrellevent with a 40+ year old millionaire singing it...

its so easy is the best rocker ever released by anybody ever, it gets me so pumped up every time i listen to it, live or studio.

I dont think Im following here... are you saying the NEW GNR re-recorded Appetite??

AFD is wik!! Everything about it is wik... do matter how it changed I would still love it!!!  : ok:  :yes:

If Axl ever Re-releases AFD, that would just be artistically and in every other ways pathetic. what would the point be? collect more royalties? hopefully he will never make such mistake.

I wouldn't consider that it's a mistake I consider to be perfectionist, cause you know that sometimes if you have something new you want to hear that version too, I totally respect Axl for doing that.  :peace:

axl clearly said the in the intentios of re record AFD... so dont worry guyz thi only was to teach the new guyz the energy that they need to record in a guns n roses record... and also to help them to play the songs live...

Rose: No, no, that's not true at all. In fact, actually, I have re-recorded "Appetite" and--

Loder: You re-recorded "Appetite For Destruction?"

Rose: Yes, I have.

Loder: The whole album?

Rose: Yes.

Loder: Whoa.

Rose: Well, with the exception of two songs, because we replaced those with "You Could Be Mine," and "Patience," and why do that? Well, we had to rehearse them anyway to be able to perform them live again, and there were a lot of recording techniques and certain subtle styles and drum fills and things like that that are kind of '80s signatures that subtly could use a little sprucing up... a little less reverb and a little less double bass and things like that.

Loder: Who are the musicians who have re-recorded "Appetite?"

Rose: Josh Freese on drums, Tommy Stinson on bass, Paul Tobias on guitar -- you guys know him as Paul Huge, that's how it's been written everywhere. It's Paul Tobias on guitar, and Robin Finck was on lead guitar, but that... that will stay on some of it. Robin's guitar will stay on some, but not all. I don't know what I'm going to do with it, exactly, when I would be putting that out. But you know, it has a lot of energy. Learning the old Guns songs and getting them up, you know, putting them on tape, really forced everybody to get them up to the quality that they needed to be at. Once the energy was figured out by the new guys, how much energy was needed to get the songs right, then it really helped in the writing and recording process of the new record.  

how many times have i read that :hihi:

Gay. Axl... YOU SUCK BUDDY~!

yeah, true, but i never really thought much about this part of what he said...  and now tht i do think about it, it makes perfect sense

Once the energy was figured out by the new guys, how much energy was needed to get the songs right, then it really helped in the writing and recording process of the new record.  

He felt it helped get them into the GN'R spirit (vibe/energy).  Cool.

And regardless of who specifically is on the thing - I still say I'd love to hear Axl version of a re-recorded Appetite.   :D

Same here! I hope its release with CD

I generally find that most bands will play songs faster live. Every band I was ever was like that too. You get kinda jacked up on the energy of a good crowd digging what you are doing....adrenaline just kicks it up a notch.

I remember the buzz I used to get playing little clubs full of people...I can imagine a stadium full must be incredible.

I can understand re-recording it for the purpose of rehearsing and definately as Axl said to get the perfect GnR vibe, but i just dont know about taking it to the next step and releasing it. Personally Id love to hear it but I guarentee you it would shatter Axl's public reputation, unless it was perhaps following CD's release.

Perhaps?!  haha!  I'd say you're understating that aspect a bit.   ;)
Under no circumstances should they (nor do I believe would they) consider releasing anything, especially a re-recorded AFD, before Chinese Democracy or other original material.

Come to think of it - perhaps this is why that HOB dvd was never released.  Perhaps someone decided ultimately that doing so might look like they were trying to 'cash in' on the old material.

I personally dont think releasing the HOB dvd would have been milking the back catalogue at all..it was Axl's new band performing, give finacial credit where its due and heres your DVD ;)

Releasing a new AFD in an inappropriate timeframe on the other hand is entirely milking the old material though.

Nor do I.  I'd LOVE to have that DVD.  As the new bands first commerical release however, it wouldn't have been much different that releasing the re-recorded AFD we been talking about.... albeit with a handful of new material in addition. 

Which makes me wonder - might have former members legally nixed the HOB DVD release, as they might a re-recorded AFD?  They were afterall able to prevent the use of the re-recorded AFD in Black Hawk Down.  (another thing which i think would have been kick ass)

the new "GNR" appetite recordings,

one song did come out

"sweet child" in the movie "big daddy"

it starts out as live performance with the original band, and cuts into new GNR playing the song

this is probably Axl trying to prove they are just as good
but OLD GNR are onstage performing NEW GNR are in the studio
so no real comparison can be made

I think Slash and Duff were able to legally prevent Axl from re-releasing Appetite because its there material they helped write to, once again going back to publishing rights etc. Releasing a concert DVD i would bet you isnt stepping on any former bandmembers toes legally or personally. Axl owns the rights to perform the songs and probably movies (Big Daddy), I just dont think he legally is allowed to release classic material via compact disc or cassette.

It was the studio's choice not to put it on the CD, it already had the Sheryl Crow version, what sense does it make that Sheryl Crow can put "sweet child" on a CD but Axl can not! he always said he did not want to release these recordings as a CD

oh yeah that was pretty cool on big daddy.  : ok:

as far as Axl trying to prove they are 'just as good', I don't see it that way
the point of a performance is for the band to enjoy it and for those who hear/see it to enjoy it also

an original will always be "the original"... and while its obvious that comparisions are inevitable, I don't imagine it being a case of "let's put this out to show people we are as good as/better than the original"

Axl obviously cares about the pre-existing GN'R material... he even told the crowed at RIR3 about getting "emotional" when it came to singing/performing/playing them again.  I don't see him as trying to put down the GN'R legacy (one he is a huge part of btw).   Its natural that a performer/artist will always try to do his best with material he cares about.  The new guys also recognize what this material means to the legacy of GN'R and I believe they deserve a lot of respect for getting up for the challenge. 

They're like the "new husband" coming to live in the house that was 'built' by the partnership of the previous marrige... now its their home.  And though they didn't have anything to do with the dissolution of the previous marrige - they are in the position of having to deal with the fallout.  The extended family is like the fans - some may not accept their being there.  They may feel like Axl should just give up the house and move out.  But the house means too much to Axl.  He too build it with his bare hands - his blood, sweat, and tears also.  He's never abandoned it... and he's not about to now.  The new guys - they're not there to tear it down.  They're not there to chip away at the foundation .  If anything they're going to do what they can to reinforce it.

I don't believe any performing of the old material in any way different is an effort to 'outdo' the original.... It's just a way of making the house their home and inviting us in to come in and make ourselves feel at home again also.  :)