Here Today... Gone To Hell!

There are no new ideas, only new ways of doing old ideas. 


Does anybody agree with me?


Even Nu Metal is basically Grungy Metal

no your wrong.

but if you look at it that way, grunge was basically metallish punk

IMO there hasn't been any true major innovation since industrial

I do agree with you.  The only bands I really enjoy now are Gov't Mule, which is a throwback to the 70's style, and I do like Muse.  But I still find myself listening to PJ, Soundgarden, AIC and so forth because I feel that since Grunge went out, i just can't get into and feel this new music.  It's a shame.

There hasn't been a major innovation in music, since the birth of Grunge ??

Music does not equal "Rock Music"

Hip hop only started going mainstream around the same time as grunge and it has definetaly been changing over the years since then.

And grunge was doing the same thing twelve years ago. ::)

Melodic Death Metal?
Metalcore?
Ambient Black Metal?

You haven't been listening enough. A lot of people criticize these genres as derivative, but that's like claiming Classical music is just a rip off of Baroque! There are plenty of great bands out there that are ignored. Check out Grom and Destroyer 666; those are some great bands that somehow never get attention.

Nu "Metal" is just rock music with down tuned guitars and shouted vocals. It's based on rock, not heavy metal. Grunge itself isn't really an innovation, just a scene, or a fad, if you will. Musically, it isn't far removed from punk or alternative rock. Melodic Death, on the other hand, is very different from br00tal death metal!

None of those genre's are even music :hihi:

I am not saying either is right.  But maybe you could be a little less pessamistic and say one or two reasons why it is wrong?

Yeah half of them sound the same as "tu pac" did back in his days. Except there even more annoying.

i cant fault that there's no real brilliant music tho industrial is ok.

Fuck innovation!  What rock music needs today is players that can actualy play their fuckin instruments and write good songs.

GNR didn't invent anything, they just took the music they love and took it to annother level/

And saying that Grunge was a major innovation in music is hilarious!

exactly ... they are the addenda at the bottom of the page page of the complete book of rock music :hihi:

funny when you look on other non rock based forums you find plenty of people who would find bands all across the spectrum...on rock based forums most cannot get passed the rock genre...

maybe rock's image gives out too much of a narrow minded view? and as a result there is no innovation

Good enough for me. I rather listen to the old material that i have than start on bands like 'Rasmus' and the like.  :P

Meh, maybe the stuff on the radio.  That's up to you, but Pac was after grunge.

I though he was like about in 92?

Cock Rock '82-'91
Grunge '91-'94
Post Grunge '95-'98
Nu-Metal- '98-'02
EMO-'02-current

I think he was most popular around 95-96.

Most of those genres have non RIAA artists who wouldn't care if you downloaded a few tracks and became more open minded.

No one should complain about a lack of talent in music if they don't go for new bands and genres. If you insist on cock rock, then listen to Pink Steel or something.

I'm fascinated to hear what the hell Melodic Death Metal and Ambient Black Metal are!

Does it go beyond some idiot screaming nonsensical giberish and a drum kit going flat out? Melodic death metal - lol, does that actually have 'music' sections in between the ''roar roar roaaaaaaaaaaar!!!!!!!!!'' :rofl:

It fuckin' excist dude, most black metal has more harmony in it then most shit out there!!!!

n' listen to it.

wtf is cock rock?

If GNR comes into that genre, how the hell are they gay, i mean they have a song which has a little anti gay in it, so how could they be gay???

Nu-metal isnt as new as you think either, i mean there was claw finger in the early 90s, rage against the machine. I suppose if you go into the 80s, the  beastie boys album "license to ill"  was that.

Ever heard of In Flames, At The Gates, Skyfire, and of course Opeth? Those bands are melodic death, but they are often called Gothenburg metal, after the scene where the sound emerged. They're actually very mainstream by metal standards, so I'm surprised you haven't heard any!

Ambient black metal could describe bands like Agalloch, Ancient, Ildjarn, Burzum, Darkthrone, Immortal, and Gehenna. However, most black metal has a lot of atmosphere and ambience these days. Ambient is a term used to compare more modern black metal like the bands I mentioned with early black metal like Sodom, Hellhammer, and Bathory.

Grow up and listen to more good music.

Black metal and Death metal suck. Just a bunch of angry people making a lot of noise. Hell, if the vocalist farted and coughed, u couldn't hear it...  :P

What bands/songs/albums have you heard, Genesis? Cradle of Filth? Dimmu Borgir? Maybe Cannibal Corpse. Yeah, real fair to judge a genre over the most mainstream bands.  ::)

Listen to songs like One Rode To Asa Bay by Bathory, Dunkelheit by Burzum, and Voice Of The Soul by Death. These are some of the most moving songs in the black and death genres. Be sure to get ORTAB's lyrics; they're very sad. If you don't like these genre transcending songs, then you probably don't like beautiful music of any type. Not all black metal sounds like Celtic Frost or Sepultura.

If anything, black metal's guitars are among the least obnoxious and easiest to get used to of all metal genres outside of classic heavy metal. Think about it. Death metal guitars are very downtuned. Thrash is too fast and agressive for most people. Power metal sounds too happy, and progressive metal has too much wankery. The typical black metal guitar sound is great for making a cold atmosphere that suits that type of music. You have to be in the right mood for it.

No thanks.  : ok:

Don't be lazy. Get your favorite p2p program and download the songs. It will only take 20 minutes of your time to hear some good music with no screaming vocals. It's worth it to appreciate a new type of music in the long run; it might even change your perspective and appreciation of other bands in different genres!

Moving along from the wonders of ambient black metal (a genre of such quality no such band has actually sold any albums yet...)

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Is there actually any new direction for music, especially rock, to take?

Rock has been fused with rap, with dance, with orchestral sections, its even been done without guitars

If u set up a band with the deliberate intention of doing something new in the rock genre - what the hell would it be? Hasn't everything been tried?

All that can be done is to make good music, and maybe create new techniques with a instrument???

Why would a band want to create fascinating new music? It won't sell any albums! Just make "good music", which means emulating what has already been done 20 years ago that is proven to sell. Making original music just gets in the way of making big profits, which is what rock music is all about!

 ::)

The only reason Grunge was popular was because record companies were sure it would sell. They're still making money on the fucker. If it had not been Grunge it would have been something else.

the song you mentioned...the lyrics are awful...demons, dragons, limbs, hammer, odin....damn thats so boring and so devoid from reality!

Hey man - thats unfair, where Walk is from (The Third Reich) those lyrics do reflect reality :hihi:

ahhh i feel the power of death metal...lyrics come upon my very breast...hear and remember

the power of thor and the lightning strike
calls to me through the master of light
the fire of hell and its power of might
this thundrous roar is a pile of shite

copyright moi

The music scene is defunct by Rap shit and scremo, so I'll have to move on. But I seriously think if Mtv shut their buisness down, a BIG difference would be made. Ever since MTV  came out in 1981, there have been more one-hit wonders multiplying than ever.

And they arent even that "WONDERful"    ::) pathetic!!!!

I hate how soo many teens get obsessed with the gay song thats this weeks "flavour" and love the singer and then next week, when theres a new one... they have a new fave song of all time?!!  :no: freakin gets to me.

I notice there are a lof of kids these days that only like whatever songs that are played on the radio or over-rated.

Me:Do you like Metallica?
person: yeah Enter Sandman!

Me:Do you like Led Zeppelin?
person:yeah Stairway to Heaven!

Jimi Hendrix?
Star spangled banner!

Lynyrd Skynyrd?
Sweet home alabama!

Ozzy Osbourne?
Crazy Train!

Nirvana?(although I don't like them)
Smells like teen spirit!

then they go listen to modern shit like emo, rap, or scremo. :hihi:

I must admit that is annoying.  But I find it worse when they know nothing about those bands. at all.  I know 99% of my friends dont even know who Black Sabbath is?!  So I would be happy for one to "pretend" sometimes!

Were you listening to power metal or something? The songs I mentioned have no lyrics like that at all. Even if you don't like the lyrics, the songs are very good.

Reality is overrated anyway. 80's hair bands like GnR celebrated a hedonism that 99.9% have never experienced or ever will. We still love those bands!

Dunkelheit

German:

Wenn die Nacht einf?llt
Bedeckt sie die Welt
Mit undurchdringlicher Dunkelheit
K?lte steigt vom Boden auf
Und verpestet die Luft
Pl?tzlich...
Hat das Leben neue Bedeutung

English Translation:

When night falls
She cloaks the world
In impenetrable darkness
A chill rises from the soil
And contaminates the air
Suddenly...
Life has new meaning

One Rode To Asa Bay
One man rode the way through the woods
Down to Asa bay
Where dragon ships had sailed to sea
More times than one could say
To see with own eyes the wonder
People told of from man to man
The God of all almightyness
Had arrived from a foreign land

The rumours told of a man
Who had come from the other side the seas
Carrying gold cross around neck in chain
And spoke in strange tongue of peace
He had come with strange men in armour
Dressed in purple shirts and lace
Smelling not of beer but flowers
And with no hair in face

And the bold man carrying cross
Had told all one of Asa bay
The God of all man woman child had come
To them all save
And to thank Lord of Heaven
One should build to God a house
And to save one's soul from Hell
One should be baptised and say vows

A man of pride with the Hammer told new God
To build his house on own
And spoke loud of the Gods of their fathers
Not too long time gone
The rumours said the man with a beard like fire
And the Hammer in chain
By men in armour silenced was and by
Their swords was slain

Those who did not pay the one coin
Of four to man of new God
Whipped was twenty and put in chains then locked
By their neck to the log [To the log...]
And so all of Asa bay did build
A house of the cross
Every hour of daylight they did sweat
Limbs ached because faith does cost

And on the day two hundred
There it stood white to the sky
The house of the God of the cross
Big enough to take two dragon ships inside
And all of Asa bay did watch
The wonder raise to the sky
Now must the God of the cross be pleased
And satisfied

Just outside the circle of the crowd
One old man did stand
He looked across the waters
And blotted the sun out of his eyes with one hand
And his old eyes could almost see
The dragon ships set sail
And his old ears could almost hear
Men of great numbers call out Oden's hail

And though he did know already
Though he turned face towards sky
And whispered silent words forgotten
Spoken only way up high
Now this house of a foreign God does stand
Now must they leave us alone
Still he heard from somewhere in the woods
Old crow of wisdom say
...people of Asa land, it's only just begun...

umm well maybe not demons but all the other words are there

im sure you havent realised but the lyrics are lacking in emotional depth...too many descriptive lyrics is boring imo

Emo is the big "innovation" in rock right now, which all my friends listen to.  There's only one problem.

It sucks balls.

Does a 'new direction' of rock music in the mainstream really mean that much to you? A band that are trying to fit into a type of music that's becoming trendy doesn't mean they're any good.

Do you even realize Bathory is from Sweden? English is a notoriously difficult language to learn for non-native speakers. The lyrics are very good, even if they aren't Shakespeare. They are descriptive because they're telling a story, like in a concept album. Sometimes aesthetics have to compromised to uphold the story. That's just how it is.

If you've heard the song, you would know it's very emotional and sad. Bathory's music isn't dramatic, it's true emotion. It really reflects feelings and ideals. You should listen to the songs before you criticize them.

Emo is a misnomer. Dra would be more appropriate. It's not emotional, it's acting, like in a play. It's drama. If you don't like how rock is looking, go off to metal or punk or classical or anything else. And turn off the radio and television!  : ok:

I agree, grunge was one of the last good styles of music-the only other one around that time possibly being industrial. There's not much to say for today's music: all hip-hop and EMO garbage.

Turn off the radio and television and listen to great new bands like Torture Squad and Xasthur.

there is always something brewing under the surface of the mainstream-   grunge and rap were the last two things to be 'plucked' out and shared with the rest of the world. 

a major innovation does not just happen,  Grunge just happend-  it came in with a bang and fizzled away-  who would have thought a bunch of junkies screaming and banging on guitars would'nt last?     it was a scene that the kids loved to be a part of- it was in the streets-  and then it was marketed and sold to the masses-  grunge was not about making money- it was about being depressed, being pissed on and being pissed off.   

rap music started in the street too, then it was marketed and sold to the masses- the big difference is the people making rap music are all too happy to be sold, thats why it is still around today. 




"I used to be with IT, then they changed what IT was, now what im with is is'nt it anymore, and whats IT seems weird and scary"
"not me man-  i'm gonna keep rocking forever... forever"

Black metal has its share of mainstream adherants. Look at Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth. Death metal has 6 Feet Under and Cannibal Corpse. This happens to all scenes.

Mmmm nothing like Death Metal in the mornin'...    ???

I personally don't like the stuff at all.. but I think it's cool you do. So peace  :peace: :love:

Sooner or later theres going to be a mega band that changes things again.. we'll just have to wait and see.