Here Today... Gone To Hell!

so Dark, what are you waiting for ... ?  ???

Maybe for Jesus? :hihi:

 :hihi:

dark, you just threw lots of good stuffs in mygnrforum.... you?re not welcome here anymore or what... ?  ???

What's are you talking about?

Enlighten me please.

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=51844

I guess I just didn't feel the need to crosspost the info, is all.  I figure if there's any truth to it, it will all sort itself out in the wash.  Like I said over there, until the Red headed recluse decides to issue the marching orders, its all kind of for naught, anyway.

-darknemus

could someone post the quote on this thread? I hate having to register to read shit... oh well.

Meanwhile, in China, another sack of rice fell over...

for some reason I believe CD is right around the corner ;)

The thought of going to the store and getting CD in my hands is making me all tingly....The thought of Axl finishing the album from soup to nuts and dropping it off to the bigwigs makes me smile....

but as ive been saying since being here...time will tell

Not gonna register. I've never been to the forum, but I hear it sucks ;D

Thanks Dark. Good job.

ill post it...

Hey all. Just got an email from my friend. I've been asked not to copy / paste this one - but I will paraphrase it for everyone's sake. I'll summarize the important points, first.

A. Interscope and Sanctuary are currently working out the details behind the release of CD - including all the pre-release stuff that needs to happen.

B. There is no 'set date' yet, but there should be in a couple of weeks.

C. Interscope is asking all of their people that might be 'in the loop' to start some positive GNR talk.

D. Radio friendly single search is on... that part is going to take some time.

E. Democracy's follow-up will probably follow 12-18 months after CD's release - at least that's the current plan, and of course subject to change.

F. There is alot of faith in this album and its release right now - something that wasn't being said a year ago.

G. People are happy when GNR is mentioned - which is a nice change from the usual status quo around there.

That's about it. Remember, don't shoot the messenger and all that. We'll see if / when / how this all pans out. For now, chalk it up to nothing more than possible corroborating evidence.

Oh, one more thing - it is entirely possible that you might hear 'officially' from Interscope / Geffen / UMG BEFORE you will Sanctuary. Although I'm sure Sanctuary would follow shortly with a statement of their own. At this point, it appears the devil's in the details.


So, analyze, pick apart, have fun with it - but remember.. until we hear from the Red headed recluse, himself - take it ALL with a grain of salt.

-darknemus


if it was from another source at mygnr I wouldnt bother to bring it over here but being its from Dark, I atleast trust him....

Not a good source of news, never was...

But, you can laugh a lot there... ;D

there is a few more posts by dark on there other than what YG posted. I'll summarize them all for everyone.

He says that he has heard throught the grape vine that they are planning for the CD to be released with a followup coming out 12-18 months after CD. An release date sould be set in a couple weeks and they are trying to pick the first single.

He figures that the followup is done already. and thinks in or around Mar 28, 2005 looks good with the single coming out 6-8 weeks before that so, end of Jan-mid Feb '06

We'll prolly get word from Interscope before we hear from Sanctuary.

The CD is out of Axl's hands, and he also figure promotion is about 80% complete so when we get news it'll be a shitload of news.

and possibly a secret gig to promote it as well

mygnr is alright, I registered there when HTGTH was down in april

And why should we trust the guy?

if you don't want to. don't

OMG this has to be the funniest fucking post I have EVER read on this forum.

Don't fret Conny.  When darknemus is once again wrong, he'll be over in China picking up the falling rice bags.

RUMORS ARE SHIT!!!!

When will people learn that the only truth is truth we get from REAL sources and posters aren't real sources.

Great site Jarmo.  Too bad it gets polluted with heresay bullshit.

Just to clarify - most of that is simply speculation by me.  The first post is where I relayed what I was told this morning.

-darknemus

Thanks for the update Dark.  It's looking pretty positive. : ok:

M8s,
As I've been saying Chinese lucky number is 8

the year 2006 (2+6)
the birthday 6/ 2(2+6)
 the Age 44 (4+4)
8 men
8 is the magic number.

oh, w8? :P

All the rumors - in my point of view - have possibilities of being truth as lie, one in bigger ratios for a side and others for another side.

What I think is, this rumor strengthens the others that we already hear about the release on the start of the year that comes, on the other hand this also are supported in those.

What I want to say is: If you believe on the first rumor about Axl and a fan, consequently you go hang to also believe this one.

In my point of view, what this rumor are saying, any person can write, leaving of putting that you give credit that the C. D. will be launched in the start of the year that comes, what it is written above seems very obvious to me.

'Morley

 : ok: Good one ?:yes:

You'll hear from Sanctuary first. In fact, there's alot  that can be picked at here

I'd tell your friend to stop sending you spam  : ok:

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


OWNED!!!!!!

For a laugh.

Mysteron's response is the kind I'm looking for.  Someone who can either possibly corroborate or pick apart this stuff.

Again, all my info comes from the Interscope side of the pond.

-darknemus

H.

Who would've guessed the record company and management would do that?




Same old we've heard for years. "Something should be coming soon".

Funny how this follows Tommy Stinson's word about some news might be coming soon.



Oh, sure.



Again, what a shock.


Wow, something Axl mentioned years ago.



I guess it depends who you ask.



Ok....



Or just non-news.



Of course.....



If somebody else posted that you'd scream bullshit, but now it's suddenly credible?

Good for you.

To me it looks like a bunch of bullshit rumors, nothing a guy with some imagination couldn't come up with.

I guess I agree with what Mysteron said.



/jarmo

Isn't that the GNFR guy?

If so, just close the thread now - he's obviously making shit up as he goes along.

Example:


 :rofl:

I always thought you and Mysteron were the same person.

Confirm/deny?

You are correct. If it was someone else with no background I would say bullshit. But being he has been a posting member here for awhile I would liek to think I can believe him. It could be bullshit. MOst likely it is. But if I cant trust my fellow posters here who can I trust? If Dark is just playing games, I feel bad for him.

I'm not Mysteron.  I'm based in the U.S. - our good buddy Mysteron isn't, for starters.  I won't blow his cover, though, so we'll end it there :)

-darknemus

After searching, it appears darknemus is indeed the GNFR guy.

The same guy that pays extra $ each year to mask the GNFR.com domain and then pretends that any changes to the site have "mysteriously" happened as if we should care.

You lose - good day, sir!

some of you have way too much time on your hands.  ::)

Aah, yes, back to the 'dark is the gnfr.com webmaster' thing, are we?

If I were - don't you think I'd be updating the site like mad during this period of intensity, GNR wise?  I mean, come on - I'd have some cryptic thing up there that, once deciphered after about 17 days, spelled out "LEONARDO IS THE WAY"

I do like your Willy Wonka / O&A quote, though - impressive.

-darknemus

Isnt the orchestra down to 7 now?

Wow Dark gave us some info, rumors he called them from his friend that works for interscope or what not, and now you are all picking apart what he said. You should really be more nice because remember what happened when that kid claimed to have IRS and he got called a liar and all that other stuff well it took over a year for that recording he had to come out and it was shit quality because YOU GUYS bashed him. Saying shit like this to dark may make him not throw us a bone next time any info comes out. Why is it that you guys jerk off over mysteron when he gives out info yet bash Dark?

Well darknemus didn't post this rumor here, yet he posted at mygnr, it seems like it should be important info, you figure if you had info like this you'd post it everywhere but instead he doesn't, so that in itself seems kinda weird to me.  then when the news travels to htgth then Jarmo and Mysteron put a damper on it quick.

I think why most people trust mysteron so much is that:

1. he seems to have the right info whenever he says something.
2. Jarmo usually confirms his info as legit.

Maybe if Jarmo had more info on this we could know if dark's source is credible.

but as with any rumor we have to remeber that unless it's direct from the horse's mouth,, then it is only a rumor and prolly will stay that way. Rumors in the GnR world have a habit of being false. and no offense dark but I'm not holding my breath here either. I'll beleive it when i see the cd on the shelves

OR he knew this would happen (this thread) thus is why he did not even bother posting anything about it.

Well in my opinon Dave, the info wasn't anything new and the rest is just speculation.

As far as I remember, he has posted rumors before and nothing has happened so far. One day he'll get it right.


Many of these Internet rumors are always saying "but plans can change". Just to cover their backs.

Once we get a real rumor from somebody who knows what he/she is talking about, they don't need that kind of disclaimer.



/jarmo

Chinese Democracy starts now!! But umm , plans can change.  : ok:

IMO, both dark and Mysteron are playing games, and I don't believe either one of them. One thinks novels make him look a bit more intelligent and legit, while the other one thinks that one liners make him look busy and important.

Well, I don't care how intelligent, legit, busy or important they are because it doesn't make a fucken difference when all we get from them is just absolutely nothing.

Regardless who's "in the know" or not - both are obviously not in the position to provide the least bit of fact that would shut everyone up. As far as the actual content goes, their posts are always just as positive and upbeat as they are vague.

So how long before people are finally sick of how his crap leads to pages of useless discussions and speculations about absolutely nothing?

As far as the treatment goes, before I'd kiss anyone's ass just to get a fucken bootleg recording or a bit of info, I'd rather wait another ten years for the real thing. We (the fans) should stick together and help each other out, rather than playing some "I'm cooler than you" contest with the info and bits we pick up along the way.

I mean this is everyone's favourite band for fucks sake. We are not making the silence any better by playing games with each other, are we?

Street teams and Biff Tannen my ass, blow me fucken bullshitters!? :rant:

:o ?THIS HORSE'S NAME IS AXL ROSE!!!
(It really is. ?Somebody posted the link way-back-when but I only copied the pic ... not the link.)

(http://gypsysoul.lunarpages.com/horse.jpg)

A. I didn't post it here because I didn't feel the need to.  Like I said over on mygnr, I posted it because I thought it was interesting and wanted to share.  That was it - no ulterior motives.

B. Jarmo - even the solidest of stories change (See: The first announcement of the Greatest Hits collection - only to actually be released months later)

C. Again, I have the best interests of the fanbase community at heart.  If I didn't - its quite possible most of you would have never heard IRS, even in the current crappy version out there.  Yet I know, dark is out just to fuck with people.  I'm not quite following the logic on that one, but hey, its all good.

D. I don't claim to be, nor have I *EVER* claimed to be any sort of insider.  I know people who know people, that's it.  I'm usually too busy making money to concern myself with all things GNR - but, for the time being, my schedule's allowing for some downtime, so I'm doing more poking around than usual.  I do it as much for myself as I do for anyone else.  I can't stand not knowing things, and do my best to get out of that situation.  Some of you may view that as a bad character trait - but for me, it keeps me gainfully employed and able to participate in most any conversation.

Peace out, my friends,

-darknemus

You are sick.  : ok:

so when is that Alanis-Axl duet going to be released?

conny,

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement you just made:


No one should have an ego about this kind of stuff.  Information is meant to be free (hacker ethic I pretty much live by).  Oh, and I apologize for my novel-like posts.  Honestly, I just don't know any other way to speak.  Once I get a thought going (or, subsequently, series thereof) I just run with it.  If you're referring to my vocabulary / word usage.. don't worry, your not the only person it irks.  I talk this way in real life, too.  It tends to be a major pain in the ass.  Blame my parents.  When I was 4, I got a computer - most kids got Big Wheels.

-darknemus

all i was saying dakrnemus is why post on mygnr but not here? it just seems odd to me with gossip of this sort. many of us have been waiting since tsi for a new album. so i figured you would have posted at any GnR board you were a member of.

Whatever.. eitherway i enjoy reading rumors, especially ones about the release of CD. and i enjoyed IRS. keep 'em comin'? : ok:


haha good one? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

so what did he say? ::)

well one things for sure. he doesn't have dreads anymore :hihi: and he seems to have shaved that handle-bar moustache of his? :rofl:

What did mysteron said that ever came? true? I forget. As for these rumors, they are just that rumors. Like I said, nothing is set in stone til the red head says it. Point being, when ever we have gotten a rumor from anything they have really never came  true.

When has.....anything darknemus said come true?

personally, I am still waiting for the day when some one who shares a rumor turns out to be right.  Whether its by accident or for real, I want to see how people react around here. 

I have actually met two people from Sanctuary and they were nice people.  When I asked them about the GNR situation they just shrugged their shoulders and said 'who knows'.  The point of me mentioning them is that if they don't know about the situation then I really wonder how high up it goes, because one was the manager of finance for the southeast U.S. region and the other was a NYC office finance person who was transferred.  Could it be that big Merck is the only one in Sanctuary who really knows the deal?  I am sure, like anything, people hear things through the grapevine.  Most likely that is how these rumors start.  A secretary hears something, and she tells her roomate's boyfriend who is a huge GNR fan and so on and so on. 

We wont know anything for sure until Axl wants us to.

Precisely, until the Red headed recluse speaks up - all of this is nothing more than speculation.  Even if Merck were to issue a statement tomorrow, it would hold little weight unless backed up by a few quotes from our braided (or maybe not so much now, who knows?) buddy.

-darknemus

The first single off the album came out in March, 2005 huh?!? How did I miss that?


When this actually happens it just might be safe to say "Chinese Democracy starts now."

I think it was a typo and should be march 2006

Rumors simply never come true because Axl is always changing his mind.  I bet there have been numerous rumors on this board in the past that have had some sort of truth behind them, but plans change.  I'm almost for certain Axl has had a few different release dates in his head over the years.  People start to get word of it, start to talk, and that is how rumors get started, but then Axl changes his mind. 

I scan this site to see if Dark or Mystrerion has posted....its the only reason to check this side of the board.
I could care less if....someone thinks Axl should cover a certain song or make a list of my own Greatest Hits collection.

Don't get me wrong..I enjoy the board....but, fuck I've been here forever..so I seen and read all the other bullshit.



LJ

I trust Dark. Not one time has he boasted or bragged about his info or stated matter of factly about it. No ego about his info. It is funny how the same people that were kissing his ass for IRS are now slamming the guy.

Bored with this rumour already! Jarmo, if Guns decide to do a secret show or something in the months before Christmas will Sanctuary use you and this site as the main way to funnel information through to the fans, we all know they are helping out with the site...... do they have bigger plans for you?

Im in the US, about 45 min from LA for a year! I would hate for a secret show to be announced only to find that i couldnt get in, to find that it is packed by completle morons and industry insiders who couldnt give two shits about Guns n Roses and are there for the hell of it, and of course $$$$. They better give fans the opportunity to attend!

Jonx

i guess Axl lost Jarmo's number....because they has been zero information released : ok:

Again my fingers are crossed, I'm starting to develope arthritis from having the crossed some many freaking times. Dark thanks for sharing the information with us  :beer:. No matter what there will always be someone who trys and shoot down the messenger.

cool news, its gotta be 'round the corner man :yes: :no: :beer:

Where did this one crop up from? That would be cool as fuck!

I'll tell you why he didn't post it here. Look at the reaction it got when he DIDN'T post it here.

I don't believe this...I'm waiting for some info from Universal or Sanctuary. Until then, Chinese Democracy is still in the vaults.

the title said it allready   a new rumour. it could also say "another rumour"

there was a time when i got excited by rumours.... 

`the only thing i`m afraid of, is that at some point, one of these bullshit rumours will be true and the poster will get his ass kissed....

I want to believe just one time I'll take the chance and say I believe in Dark. It's time the red headed wild man deliver anyway.:yes:

why shoot the messenger/ with your bitch slap rappin   

some of dark's previous posts:

Feb 19th, 2004:

"Only direct connection I can draw is I've heard several times the disc is, for all intents and purposes, done.  It just hasn't been delivered to Interscope for release.  Whether that's due to the final track list not being decided, or possibly more 'vocal tweaks' or even an editing of the liner notes - I dont know.  I'll throw my pure speculation in there, though, and say that I just think there's some inate fear with Axl to actually 'turn over' the disc.  Because at that point, maybe something he's really not ready for begins - the true public test of GNR's viability, circa 2004.

-darknemus"

again, same date:

"Then, according to an email I received last night, "all hell has truly broken loose"  I can't tell you everything the guy said to me - hell, most of it doesnt relate to any of this - but here's the jist.. from, again, what's being heard from people 'in the know' (and it could still very well be wrong.. hence the problem with third-party information)

GH is coming out (a big 'duh' on that one)
GNR have yet to turn over a 'final mix' of CD to Interscope.
RIO IV's lack of official confirmation is a big problem - looks to be some sort of money issue.. I dont know the details on it.
If Axl attempts to sue to stop GH's release from occuring, then details of the 'gentlemen's agreement' made between the band and the label will be made public.  basically, it'll turn into a big old mud slinging fest.
It is the opinion of some higher-ups at Universal that GH is a more 'marketable' product than CD.  This is mostly the 'Rock = a 1/2 dead genre' type of folks.. but they're still money people.
Once GH 'streets', expect 2-3 more leaks of IRS caliber.  probably to file sharing networks as opposed to 3 AM on some radio show on a Holiday.  This point is big - its the 3rd time I've heard (from two different people now) in the last 8 months that there is a huge desire to 'punish' Axl for all of these delays.  IRS was step one in that punishment.  GH is step two.  leaks are step three.  step four is 'cut our losses and just drop this failed project'"

And check out this one: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=13211.msg230523#msg230523  from a discussion of one of his "sources" in JUNE 2004

I could post more if anyone really still wants to fool themselves into believing this guy. He's just guessing all the time, and one day, he might be right. But look at his history.......

Sounds like a verse off IRS and I agree WARose
For all the rumours I can tell something didn't work so well?  :hihi:
Moreover, with all the bogus rumours, some vulnerable dupes end up believing this.


I don't think it's fair to Axl. For the false alarms never raised by him or his people but based on in-outskirt-siders half cooked info, why should the blame be put on him? Utter Bollocks.

Otherwise, like neemo said, Rumours are fun. Thanks dark.

Hey all you whining negative people! Whats with all the bitching and moaning at Darkemus? At least the dude is positive and how the fuck does anyone know that he does not have some sort of inside knowledge? Yeh if he turns out to be a fraud then yeh its fucked up, until then lets not judge eh? But for me a lot of Darkemus's posts definetely makes a hell of a lot better reading than the whinging pricks who try and turn every post or rumour into something sinister or negative! Come on people we are so very very close to getting this album, lets just enjoy this barrage of news and rumours and wait for the day that we all want!!

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=11144.msg192551#msg192551

Sounds like a real positive kind of guy.

Ah mate! You need to get out more! I am not talking about every fucking post the dude has ever made for fucks sake! If we were all that sad to go scrolling over every old post that everyone on this site has ever made then all of us would have made a bad comment from time to time. I am talking about his recent post/rumour/news whatever you want to call it! Its just makes much more positive reading than negative crap!

Fuck if Darky got IRS out to us, and that is fact...then I am afraid I must personally gather some funds together, fly out to each and everyone of you talking shit to him, and beat the ever living shit out of you.

IRS made me believe again. Listen, Darky Dark and the funky bunch...if you were responsible for getting IRS out, then all I got to say to you is, thank you brother. ?: ok: ?

You are alright by me. Fuck these clowns. I remember you from way back on here, and these kids today need to show some respect.

I bet these little punks choke, and if they do, they have no clue what me and my homie Snoop Dogg came to do. You know what I'm saying. Aaaah fuck it.

How novel.? A debate of darks credibility.

I'm not gonna point out that dark HAS actually been right in the past.? Nor will I point out that he was the point man (if not the direct source) of the IRS leak.? Nor will I point out that he's a stand up guy who's only relaying stuff he's heard from other people and that darks main flaw (if he has one) is that he can be TOO trusting and loyal a friend who has, in the past, believed the wrong people and relayed their information.? Nor will I point out that, the fact of the matter is, Axl changes his mind as frequently as most people (not including D of course?...he changes his MUCH less frequently ;D ) change their underwear and that ANY information, reliable or not, has about as much chance of turning out to be true, tomorrow, as Axl does of launching CD via the internet independantly at the same time.

I'm not gonna point any of that stuff out (wait...or did I just??) because it's all been done before.? This particular topic has been done ad nauseum, all across this forum (and, in fact, I think it's why dark tends to post here less than he used to...it must be tiresome).? In fact...it should have it's own damn thread in the "Dead Horse" section.

Believe him or don't.? But, at this point, let's NOT relive this discussion EVERY TIME the guy posts something, eh?

dark is not, and was not, the gnfr web master.


And no...neither was/am I.

Not fer nothing, but...

Even the BAND MEMBERS have been wrong about stuff. 

And I think we can all agree that most reasonable people would think they were credible.

And even THEY now, oftentimes, preface or suffix what they have to say with a "disclaimer".

So, essentially, your statement above would seem to indicate NO ONE is credible....except maybe Axl...and even HE'S been wrong before.

:)

Let me get this straight. A rumor, even if it's bullshit, is good as long as it's positive?

How can you get positive about something like this?

"The album's gonna be followed up by another album in 1-1.5 years. The record company and management are working on it".


What's the next piece of positive rumors gonna be? "Axl might sing on the next tour, unless he changes his mind again."?


I know you're dying for some news, but there was none in this rumor. It's nothing you couldn't come up with yourself based on what Tommy said and then add the possibility of the album being done.

Like this:
Assume album is done -> record company plans its release.
Tommy says news might be coming soon -> record company must be deciding on its release and/or management are working on something.



Yeah, but they're band members. There's a difference in posting something you heard from some guy and something you heard from actual band members.




/jarmo

I just love that the people tearing down dark are the same people that start threads like these:

"OMG!! Robin changed the theme of his website......CD Starts now"
or
"What drugs have the gunners admited to?"


Those threads offer nothing, all they do is raise the post counts of people who seem to get overly excited that they have the time to post 2500 times over the course of a three month period.

dark on the other hand passes on information that he gets, and offers a bit of his own interpretation. Sure it might not all happen as he states, but he doesn't tend to be to far off. I can tell you for sure that he isn't sitting in a St. Louis Hotel room thinking up stories he can spread on a GnR message board. All he is doing is passing on second hand info (with a disclaimer) for people to ponder.

To be honest I would rather come here daily and find a well written thought out post from dark then to weed through 42 one word nonsensical reply's to the thread "This is the Best Lineup Since 1993"

For what it is worth, I believe darknemus is passing on what he has heard. Is it going to happen, who knows? But, I don't believe he is bullshitting at all. He is a fellow Axlite and Axlites have been beat down enough. If he was a big VR fan and anti Axl, I would think he was taking us for a ride. In my opinion, he is a more interesting guy than 99% of this board.

I thought the gnfr web master might be the same person as the rumour board admin.  :P

How you can be so sure about that?

Ta! ;D
Aitch?  :hihi:
I go carry on.
How many letters in W Axl Rose? 8!
how many notes in an octave? 8! <- 's quite pathetic.


No worries, m8.
It's still seems that Chinese democracy is the 8 men's collaboration.
An octuple orchestra. gr8!

being septet this year is good
Our common lucky number is 7.
This Year 2005 (2+5)
7 men (officially) in the band
the leader's Age (4+3)

Releasing something late this year and touring from early next year would be the best for them, sophistically speaking. :P

So what's the problem if we don't believe what he says and question the validity of the rumor?

Do you expect everybody to believe what he says just because he writes long posts?




/jarmo

My point was, the "criteria" you set up to be "credible", in your previous post, isn't reasonable. ?Since, in hindsight, every "rumor" we've heard has pretty much turned out, in the end, to not be true...even the info passed on to us by the BAND MEMBERS.

So, to simply dismiss information because someone prefaces it or suffixes it with a disclaimer isn't very valid.

You say "Well, this sounds like something anyone could make up based on the information at hand". ?True. ?In addition, based on the information at hand, it's more than likely that, if a piece of information was given out, it would depict the situation exactly as described.

So to say that a rumor isn't good, or is probably made up, because it closely resembles other information seems to be a bit of a paradox to me.

I understand YOU think it's BS...valid, for sure.

But to just disregard it, out of hand, as made up?

You'll have to come up with something a bit more to convince me than "It too closely resembles the information we already have", no matter who the poster is.

I see nothing wrong with the info or the idea being questioned. The problem I have is that as soon as he posts something, there are people weeding through every post he has ever written to discredit him (not the information.) They then start saying how all he does is waste their time with useless rumors....... Yet these are the same people who post (just to post) in every hairbrain thread out there.

If they think the info is wrong, explain why....... don't just jump back with "Well aren't you the GNFR guy???"

I'm not gonna dig out all the statements he's made that, in hindsight, turned out to be untrue or plans he made that changed.? All that is so well documented, I think it goes without saying.

The band members have commented, a few times, on release dates and timetables.? They changed.? I'd venture that we are all pretty sure the driving person behind that change was Axl....given all that we know.

Or were you, in fact, questioning the frequency of undwear changing?

Jarmo mate. My point really only is: It may well be bullshit, but if true then its great. And the reading of it only makes me feel good about the whole wait for the album. If it turns out to be a bunch of crap then I will just forget about it and move on, thats all. Whether its shit or not its just a whole lot better than some of the ridiculous shit that gets put on here by people I can only presume dont know a great deal about the band!

Yeah! I agree...
This is a messageboard, and i think rumours are exciting, and belongs here... True or not! This is the Internet God dammit! And someday that little snip of rumour WILL be true! Thats gonna be great! But when thats written! You GOT TO have an open mind about this rumours, and dont let yourself down. If dont have that, well then i understand peoples frustration about this! Anyway... Richard said cd early 06, Dizzy said it, Tommy Said it, so i belive somebody have informed them about something this time.. Even the last sentence in Tommys 18 sep update give me a gooody feeling!
Keep on rocking gunners! We have a big gift in front of us! Even if its December or early 06. It there!! Somewhere close in the future!

Yes Nyuntz! I agree with you mate! I guess i got excited about rumours in 99, 00, 01, 02, 03, 04 and now 05 and every other fucking rumour since 1993! One of the fuckers will be true! Of course I get frustrated like everyone else with the wait, but  at the end of the day I believe in Axl and the rest of the band. Simple as that! That where I think there is a big difference between the people who stay positive in the band and those who dont!

Lol !!

So MY birthday is a 26
My parents got married a 6 of month 2
I have an extremely important occurance every year on an 8

etc etc....

Don't you think 8 can be " just" a number many people find in their lifes ?

Mademoiselle Jesse, Then, 8 must be your number, sophistically speaking ;). I mean Yep, I think so.


Nope. sometime a few times a day.

There aren't  many statements he made and turned out to be untrue.
He's been pleading the fifth.

I bet Rumours n his reputation made you think so more than anything.
For all the rumours I can tell something didn't work so well.

As for the members "hopefully" comments,
I wouldn't jump the gun and say Axl changed his mind.
I'd rather figure that through force of circumstances he just couldn't make it.

I explained my opinion on it.

I wouldn't call it a rumor, it's more like a guess or theory to me.


There's no way to check the source of this rumor. If somebody posts "I heard on the radio that Axl has recorded an album of disco covers", it would be easy to check. This is more like Danny's faxes that only he saw. We couldn't check the source.

When a band member says something, we know the source.


And by saying "unless Axl changes his mind" puts blame on him once the rumor doesn't turn out to be true.



/jarmo

I'll start the digging, if you really insist.

But you're right, circumstances, as much as anything, could be more to blame than mind changing.  But he's made PLENTY of assertions (we'll be back next summer with a whole new batch of songs!) that later turned out to not be true (though, at the time, I'm sure they were).  Again, I'll start digging tomorrow for ya.

Long gone are the days of PURE and 555555, here are the days of Mysteron and darknemus!

Oh dear.

I almost passed out, reading that.

How come I never get any good feelings about these rumors and insiders :no:

For my sake and everyone else who has waited a lifetime I hope it is soon

anyone remember exactly what it was that axl said at one of the concerts a couple years back... i think it was either rio or one of the european/asian concerts before the US tour... when he said something about going on tour the next year with the cd, and then releasing two cds after that.... we all know by now that none of that happened. he must've changed his mind. i hear axl does that from time to time. in fact, i do it myself sometimes too. but only because axl is my hero.

also, just to prove a point, i was at a tommy stinson gig last year in nyc (richard fortus played too, kicked ass), and after the show i talked to both stinson and fortus (who are cool guys). anyway, neither said much to me about axl, but i also became friends with a fan who knows tommy and richard better than me (i ended up going to where the after-party was with this dude and his wife), and he told me that tommy had told him that they were supposed to start rehearsing with axl in january '05. well clearly that never happened. and i doubt that guy was lying, because 1) he didnt even like gnr, he just was obsessed with the replacements and psychedelic furs, and 2)he took me with him and his wife to the afterparty bar where tommy, richard, and the rest of the gang went.

so just to prove a point, clearly axl changes his mind, and to say that someone is lying because they put a disclaimer to a rumor that "this is subject to change based on axl", is just plain crazy.

Awww I was too l8 for the days of PURE and 555555 :'(

;D I'd appreciate it but You don't have to. I never say his words are far more dependable than the other members(actually I'd imagine what they say is mostly what they're told from Axl or the management). That's not my point.
This is
:yes:
It's a simplistic thinking to label Axl inconsistent/inconstant because of the words or plans he hasn't fulfilled yet, or the other way round, to attribute everything to the changes of his mind.


This one seems an obvious case that circumstances altered. still yes he is responsible for it cos he did  say so.

Picking up rumour is fun as far as it's harmless. 
You or the sources bear a responsibility for it but Axl no way in the hell does.

wow times go by hun?

This rumor is bullshit. Interscope and Sanctuary would not be making plans for the 2nd CD while still trying to get the first CD out. The rumor was almost believeable until he mentioned the 2nd CD.

You have heard of a long term plan right? Axl has been talking about the 3 album thing since 2001. If this rumor is true plus what dizzy said then it makes it even more true.

So again, I ask you believers this. Just because the rumor mentions something Axl and Dizzy has mentioned, it must be true?


Here's a rumor: There's gonna be a song about child abuse on the album. I heard it from a secret source.

Oh wait, it was mentioned in an Axl article in 2001 (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=37).

Maybe I'm too pessimistic, I just don't get this "rumor". To me it looks like a bunch of old news/rumors put together to make a new one. Add some speculation to it as well as "Axl might change his mind" and there you have it. A new rumor.


/jarmo

If people dont want to hear rumors or what not then dont open this threads. Its that simple. IF this all comes true no one is going to apoligize to dark for calling him names if he turns out to be correct. He heard a rumor from someone that works at interscope, that is why its called a RUMOR.   Its something to talk about. I just find it funny if Mysteron gave his same rumor people would be praising him.

I'm not sure if pessimistic is the right word Jarmo, I think realist is a bit better description.

I'm with you (no offense to dark), it just seems like old info with a splash of speculation..

He says he heard it from somebody at the record company. I remember a guy who said he had access to "secret faxes".
 
Also, people who get their hopes up usually get let down when something doesn't happen. Who gets the blame at the end?

Yeah, the guy who "cancelled" his Atlanta gig!




Depends. If he said "I talked to a guy at Interscope" and posted something we had head before, I'd question the validity.

If he showed proof of the conversation taking place, then I could at least see that he didn't make it up himself.



/jarmo

Truth is, Mysteron would probably never post such rumors.

The reason I don't believe this is not because of dark or whoever, it's just that I have seen so many threads/ rumors like this over the years. You get disappointed a few times, after a while it gets old.

I think some of you are too gullible.. This is not an insult just an observation.. We all jump the gun and want to believe so badly that we start to feed into almost any rumor... I say it's nice to hear, but I wouldn't get up any hope.. As I said before I hope for all our sakes spending more tiem then life on gnr/vr forums that it happens.. Fuck what other reason these days do we have to frequent gnr forums, and how long can we speak of so few songs and old shows? Just don't argue over rumors or get your hopes up to high, we are gnr fans afterall, (older fans know the deal) but we know the saga, the drama nad the end results for 99.9% of the rumors..

IN DEFENSE OF dARKNEMUS:

dark ISN'T the one who posted this 'NEW RUMOR' at HTGTH ... other people saw it on another board and brought it here!!!
What dark did post himself here (in another thread) was Sanctuary news WITH A SOURCE.

So IMO, dark knew he'd catch shit if he posted more uncorroborated rumor shit here at HTGTH, SO HE DIDN'T!!!

I'm NOT defending the rumor but I think it's unfair of us here to attack dark over something he didn't himself post here.  So my suggestion to all of you who want to attack somebody:? Attack the ones who actually posted it here because they're the ones SPREADING the rumors!!!

yeah yeah yeaahhhh !!
let?s start to throw rocks to the fucker that posted in here!!!!!!

Yeah. True! Good post!
I think people should read into every RUMOUR with a open mind!
If i heard from "what i had concider" a good  source, i would post it here. Not because i wanted to stand behind the rumour 100% and clamed its truth!,
but because i wanna share everything i hear about GNR with my fellow Gunners! I dont post sources to anything anymore, like, emails form Fortus or whatever, because if i do theres alot of negative pripps posting things like:! "We already know that?, There is nothing new!, Heard it before, Fortus is lyin", or something like that! I got an email from Fortus 2 days ago, and i only informed what he said about GNR. Nothing more, because i conciderd the unrelated stuff as personal!
Anyway Dark and anyone else, if you hear anything... Let us know! Dont mind the negativity! Atleast someone knows you do it because you wanna share! If they take a rumour for News thats theyr own fault!

ps: Another thing is people making up rumours, but i guess they are pretty easy to look throug.
 - Nytunz -

Bottom line. If Darkman was a key player in getting the IRS demo to us...then the only thing that should be coming out of your stupid fucking mouths is "thank you."

Shit where was the thread thanking Darkman for IRS? That was the coolest thing we got from GNR since 2002. Man, there is some disrespectful motherfuckers in here. 

Its obvious reading through some of these posts, that some of you need your asses kicked proper like.

True or false, some rumours are still fun to read, even more when there's a lack of news (and rumours) like recently.

Anyway, no real info has been given here with this rumour. Until there's an official statement, nothing new.

Dave, you think there is some long term plan in concern to a CD trilogy? You think Interscope and Sanctuary are spending money and time on a 2nd and 3rd album? Highly unlikely. When it comes to GNR, the only thing they are concerned about is Chinese Democracy. At this moment in time, they dont care about a 2nd CD, and they really dont give a shit about completing some mythical trilogy. Even if Axl went to Interscope yesterday and promised them a trilogy, they wouldn't be concentrating on anything that could happen after CD. Which proves the rumor to be bullshit. I'm not trying to insult the guy who brought this rumor out in the open. He was probably just given disinformation.

And how do you know what Interscope and Sanctuary thinks? Do you work for them? No? Ok...

This is not a proof for anything. I don't believe in darknemus rumour too, but the thing about the trilogy is not just a rumor. Axl and Dizzy already talked about this.

Years ago when they thought that CD would come out in 2001 or 2002. BTW everything that Axl or his musicians say isn't more than only a rumor.

I never said the trilogy was a rumor.I was describing the fact that Interscope and Sanctuary dont care at this particular time. Axl could have 10 CD's ready to go, it still doesn't take away from the fact that their only concern is the first one. By the way Voodoo, how do you know that I dont work for Interscope? :confused:

Of course it is. If Axl say about the release date of CD on TV, would you still thinkin' this is only a regular rumor?


Maybe the contract with Interscope is to release those 3 albums. Who knows? Also, if Axl wouldn't want to release the first one before finish the other two, I think  Interscope or Sanctuary would care about it.

I don't know, that's why I asked. But I read your posts here that's why I guess its very unlikely. :P

Voodoo, if the contract was for the CD trilogy, I'm sure we would have heard something about it by now. We would have heard a shitload of rumors about several albums. Even if Axl wanted to finish two more albums before releasing one, Interscope/Sanctuary still wouldn't make those albums a top priority. They would rather spend time and money to get the ball rolling with album number one. By the way, you're right. I dont work for Interscope. I'm Axl's janitor! :P :o

James, get a fuckin clue. Interscope wants as many albums and songs as they can get their hands on from Axl. And, the sooner the better. It is probably going to take multiple albums to recoup their money invested. And, knowing how unpredictable Axl is, they will take whatever they can get-trust me. I really think the dope and meth got to you a bit. All your arguments are always slightly "off center." Not to mention the sheer volume of negativity that oozes from every post of yours. Seriously, don't you like any other bands? Please go to their board for a while. >:(

madagas, how is discussing Interscope's strategy in relation to CD oozing negativity? If you dont like my posts, why keep responding to them? Just ignore it. You should try contributing to a conversation sometimes, instead of just putting people down.

nice post

if people think they know something, then by all means share it
why are people more likely to believe Mysterons vague assertions about 3 months ago about street teams, than this by Dark?

See, jarmo, there are too possible conclusions:

1) It's cobbled together from other information and "made up".

2) It's true and it's further corroberation of the OTHER information we've gotten.

Both conclusions are equally grounded and supportable.? Which you choose to come to is a matter of opinion.

So, it's not that it MUST be true.....it's that you can reasonably conclude it MIGHT be true.

It's not that your opinion is not valid.? It's that it's not the ONLY opinion that's valid, given what we know.

Does that explain it?

I think nobody should apologize to him, even if this rumour comes true. as i said before, at some point one of these rumours will be coming true and that doesn`t mean that the rumour wasn?t made up by someone. it`s just if this album is ever to come out, one rumor will be true.

by the way no one here should attack dark for writing what he heard from other people and he didn`t even write it here, because he knew exactely that HTGTH isn`t very open for rumours and posters get slagged.  and exactely this happened...

well....   this rumour is either true or not :peace:

All I see here is a NEW RUMOR, as the title states.

And as Jarmo stated, if it remains a rumor, then Axl will get the blame once again...

if he was he definitely deserves our thanks, but i never heard that he was actually the one....

I don't have a problem with you believing in it.

I'm just explaning why I don't buy it and the reason for that.

I don't like most rumors that get people's hopes up. Just like the Atlanta gig rumor, some people really wanted to believe it and were a bit let down when it didn't happen.

I guess some are just desperate for news and anything positive is good enough for them.


In this case it seems like the only reason for these rumors are to make the source seem more legit. After all, the rumors are based on things we already kinda knew about.




/jarmo

dark was, in fact, the person posting, under different names, the IRS files over at mygnr.  I know because I was IM'ing him while the whole thing was happening.  I WAS NOT, as has been speculated by certain unnamed people who spilled the beans to Sanctuary, his accomplice in it, though.

dark is NOT the original source of the material.  He WAS the "distributor".  If you got it, chances are you got it, directly or indirectly, because of dark.

I know its hard for you but just stop and think for 1 second....

Isnt it possible and realistic...actually a fact...that the money that has been given to GNr has been used to make multiple albums? NOt just CD? Look at the whole situation and process and what is known....Multiple producers, different styles of Music means different types of albums. Do you think Axl has only been working on CD? Get a friggen clue dude

I totaly agree with you younggunner  : ok:

I don't necessarily believe it myself, but Jesus Christ, some people are being total buttnuts. The man himself didn't even post it here. Find something better to do with your time, assholes.

For that,
I don't see much difference between this one and some news flashes on a certain rumour board.

No offence to both parties. Doubting about the rumour doesn't necessarily mean distrust of the messenger.

Likewise, there's big difference between believing someone and believing in him.

Regardless, I'm not pessimistic or negative about CD at all. Quite the opposite.
My sophistry of the 8 is still fresh.  :D
That is, when you're about to run a chance, You better be convinced of your luck.

people will blame axl when a 'rumor' doesn't come true? or will they blame the guy who posted the rumor?

nobody blames axl for 'cancelling' that atlanta gig. we all realize that it was all bullshit by the club. and nobody was hurt when they found out that axl wasnt recording a duet with dolly parton.

some people need to put things in perspective and not get so paranoid about always worrying about the lowest common denominator.

99% of us here have enough intelligence to know that this should be taken with a grain of salt and not as the holy bible (dark even made it a point to say that!), so what is the 'bad thing' that will happen by posting it?

isn't there enough that has been said by axl himself and the other band members (in the past and ongoing) that has ALREADY caused people to be dissappointed and blame axl? like when axl cancelled their latest rio performance? or when tommy and dizzy keep saying the album will be released soon, then pushing it back constantly? isn't the dissappointment and blame justifiable regardless of whatever other rumors may be around? wouldnt people feel the same EVEN IF THERE WERE NO RUMORS ABOUT AN ALBUM??


some people here are too sensitive...

Cool Pilferk. Thank you for clarifying. That is good enough for me. Dark will always be cool in my book because of this. I don't see how any fan could think otherwise.

If dark posted this tidbit, it has to be respected whether it comes to fruitation or not. I think Dark has more then earned that right. Show a little respect for someone who obviously went beyond what was neccesary to hook us up. What the fuck have any of you disrectful sht talkers

Younggunner, before telling me to "get a friggin clue", maybe you should take your own advice. I never said anything about Axl spending all these years working on one album. How much material he's been working on had nothing to do with what I was trying to convey. You're just like that dude Madagas. You're so quick to insult someone, you dont bother to comprehend what the person was saying.

You make a Good point, James!  : ok:
Can't you really think of any reason why so often you get good lectures from so many other board members?

You said...

And the answer to that is yes, Interscope and Sanctuary are spending money and time on a 2nd and 3rd album. 13 million or whatever it is has been given to GNr. With that 13 million that the company INVESTED in the band, the band has been working on multiple albums. Therefore they are concerned about the followups and the overall GNR "plan". If they werent they would have given GNR less money to just work on 1 album and then take it from there.

Of course the main focus of the band and company is getting CD out first. We all know that. But to say that all the company cares about is CD is dumb.

Actually dark had absolutely nothing to do with the original clips of IRS leaking. He got lucky and was sent the full version after the clips were allready out there. You can bank on that.  : ok:

The plan has always been the 2 or 3 album plan. How many different sources have to say this? Axl said it back during the tour, Dizzy confirmed it a few months ago, and now if this word from interscope is true, then its yet another. So how many times do you have to hear this?? And YES interscope are spending money on all three albums. You really think it cost 15m for just CD? Get real? If axl said i need 15m and will give you two or three albums over the next 3 years? you really dont think they are going to take that? Use your brain. THe more albums gnr put out the more money interscope makes. Is that so hard to understand? I just find it funny you know what axl and interscope are thinking when Axl, Dizzy and like I said if this rumor is true interscope have all said there is a long term plan with two or three albums being released over the next 18 or so months. So who is lying? Axl? Dizzy? Interscope? You need to get a clue since all the signs point to the 2 or 3 album deal being the plan still.

as far as i'm aware, dark received the full song after there had been only one or two leaks, with very little revealed. after that, dark and i were the ones who posted more of the song (first as teaser clips), then the whole song. remember the whole biff tannen/doc brown thing on mygnr? yea, that was us. that's how the clip eventually got out there. of course, a few people obviously had it before dark, but they were probably the kind of people who keep that stuff for themselves because they know it's so valuable (like the people who have las vegas recordings), so who knows if they ever intended to let the whole thing go. the point is, HE was the one who distributed the whole song to everyone. he never claimed to be the one who recorded it first, obviously!

k, just wanted to try to clear that up...

Dark did not leak the song, he just helped people that wanted the leak to get it.

It still doesn't mean he was the source for it. There was at least 10 other people who had it before dark, some 3-4 weeks before, but they decided not to release it after they had been in contact with sanctuary...... ;)

exactly my point... the people who had it weren't gonna spread it. dark somehow got it and gave it to the rest of us... despite what sanctuary may have wanted... people may have their own opinions about whether that was a good thing or a bad thing, but i think most fans are happy dark shared it to us. honestly, i'm not 100% sure what youre point is.... nobody ever claimed dark was the original source for the leak, but he WAS the source that ultimately gave it directly to the remaining 99.9999% of the fans who werent lucky enough to be one of hte select few to have it. 

He talked about the release date a lot of times and none of these has ever happened, so I guess I wouldn't take his words seriously. Since his words are not reliable, I couldn't care more than it was only a rumor by a 'i-work-in-the-industry' 1 post wonder. It'd be different if the record company annonunced a release date.

Ok, so tell me at least one time when he said a real release date (I mean, the date, not just "next year" or so). I know he said some things in the past (like "see you next summer") and it wasn't true, but he never said something concrete about a release date.

Not true.

The original 1 or 2 clips? No.  Everything after that. Yup.  And that's what I said.  I said he was the point man for the IRS leak...meaning the full leak. The multi-username leak.  I didn't say he was the source (in fact, in a later post, I said exactly the opposite).  I said he was the point man.  He posted it.

If you don't believe he did...well, you're wrong.  You can ask Madison over at mygnr about it.  She has the IP logs to prove it.

It still doesn't mean he was the source for it. There was at least 10 other people who had it before dark, some 3-4 weeks before, but they decided not to release it after they had been in contact with sanctuary...... ;)

Again, nobody used the word "source".

Point man.

He did the posting to the public.

See my later post on the subject.

If ever!?What happen to your ever considerate self, pilferk? Or it's me? ???


You're not sure? As if!
His point is clear as bell. Read your huge quote. Who are the people pilferk is praising for their novelty there?  Are they, well except for a few jokers, the ones that got the damn thing after DARK? Are they the remaining 99.9999% of the fans or the selected few? Chinese Blues simply cleared it up. That's all. Don't shoot the messenger.

To be honest, it's rather your posts in this thread that I keep failing to see the points.
There's big difference between believing someone and believing in him.
Taking a hard look at someone's info or his source is one thing and being hard on him is quite another, which dark himself would agree on?judging from his posts.

Anyhow,
This and that are different matters.
Just because you don't (have to) thank someone for one thing, doesn't mean you won't thank him for another. And just because you don't thank him for this one, vice versa.

besides you can`t tell me you wouldn`t get excited if axl would show up on tv tomorrow and would say that Chinese Democracy is going to come out soon. even since axl said that before and it didn`t come true.....

maybe i didn`t get your point voodoochild, but i think there`s a big difference between a rumour by someone who works at sanctuary and a rumour axl started....

Yeah, you didn't get my point. I was saying exactly the same thing: there's a huge difference between a rumour by some average joe and something Axl himself said.

First of all, if a leader of a band says that their new album will come out next year in it's not out, not even 4 years later, than that guy isn't reliable at all. Agree?

Axl has never stated a release day, but he told the month (and year...) of the release. I think it's concrete enough, and he failed to deliver. Again and again.

Just two quotes:

R&P: We know that Chinese Democracy will be released in June, but we wanted to know what the reasons are for taking so long before releasing the album?

Axl: We hadn't written songs or recorded for many years. There were band changes and there were many changes in the record company. People in the record company had many opinions and they wanted to make the best possible record. Every time that we thought that we had the correct songs, then somebody thought that we could make it better. We started over, we continued adding songs, continued recording and recording. I think that when we release the album, it's gonna be something that I'm gonna be proud of and confident in. Then, we will also have an extra heap of songs. This band has played only been together for six weeks before Rio. So it is still very new for them to play together as band, with Robin (Finck) and Buckethead. That was a surprise. Obviously, that was the correct decision to make, but it was not originally planned to have three guitarists.

He didn't deny that CD would come out in June, 2001.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=38

DJ: When is it gonna be the new album? Is it possible that we're gonna have a new record from Guns N' Roses?

Axl: Yes, I've heard. Um, hopefully we will put out a new single umm sometime this spring and then the record gonna be done in June or shortly thereafter.

January 2001

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=39

Thanks, Serpico. I knew there was a quote where Axl actually mentioned a month for CD, but I couldnt remember where/when he did it. Most of the people here say that Axl has never given a specific timetable for the album. Obviously, he has.

Axl said that? Axl really said that??----> That's a GREAT news for me. Axl recognized the new band wasn't made for 3 guitar players. is it the return of reason? Stick with 2 players, Richard-Robin, don't forget there are also 2 keyboards, there are enough people to make it huge, a cohesive guitar duet brings much more to a band. I think there is 99% of possibility to see the band perform with 2 guitarists next time they tour. Quality over quantity, a tigher band is a better band. Richard-Robin duet, bye bye Buckethead, this band is almost a dream band for me now? :peace:

well  i think i was referring to officer frank and mixed it up.....  so i think i got your point :peace:



well this is an interview from 2001 i think. so it doesn`t mean a lot....    by the way i never heard of that interview, could someone post the whole interview?

he said hopefully so that doesn't count./ Axl always tells the truth.. Spring next summer he has mentioned seasons, he just never steps up..

i don`t blame axl for his misconception about the release of chinese democracy or tours, but after rio aswell as after the msg show he said see you next summer without adding a "hopefully".  and as we all know he was wrong both times...

It's not that I'm not being considerate.  It's just a bit frustrating....

It's that EVERY time dark posts, we get this same sort of discussion.  As I said....it deserves it's own thread in "Dead Horse".

And all anyone brings up is the crap.  No one ever brings up the flip side.

I'm not saying the rumor is true or not true.  I think cases can be made for both sides on that one.  It will be, completely, a matter of opinion on whether you choose to believe or not.

What I'm saying is that the continuing criticism of dark, and questioning of his credibility, is old news.  Discuss the rumor in the thread about the rumor......the "ad hominem" stuff has been done to death.

And people wondered why he didn't post it directly here???

That's the only significant line in the guy's whole post.

The credibility of the source is interesting in any case involving a rumor, don't you think?



Because we just don't automatically believe everything he, or any other source, says?




/jarmo

Yes, discussion of the credibility of a source is pertinent...

the first 10 times we have it.

The next 10, 20, 30, 40 times, though...not so much.

I know we have a revolving door of posters here and it's not a static community.  I know lots of people have not read "the old threads" on the subject.  I know all that.

But the same is true of every other Dead Horse subject.....and discussion of that subject, even if it's "new info" gets moved over.

This exact same conversation takes place every time dark posts (or, in this case, has a post transplanted).  Every time.  That, to me at least, isn't compelling or interesting.


Actually, it's for exactly the reason I gave.  Every time he posts here what ensues is a "dark discussion", rather than a discusssion of what he's posted.  It gets tiresome.  If it were me, and every post became "about me", rather than what I'd posted...I suspect I'd feel the same way.

If, every single time you posted jarmo, we all brought up the "credibility" thing that relates to being hosted by Sanctuary....you'd get a little tired of it, yeah?  I mean, it's pertinent, right?  But, given the discussion on it has been done to death...it's not really compelling to bring it up every time you post.  I'd even wager that continually doing it would get the posts moved to dead horse (and possible banning).  Same point with dark. 

But we were talkin about the rumour itself. The thing is: there's no news there. He just stated a bunch of obvious bets with no reliable source. So, I guess it's fair to discuss about darknemus credibility.

Define "news".

There's nothing we haven't heard before, true.? Which is either an indication the rumor is true (since it mirrors what we've heard) or that it's "made up" (cobbled together from what we've heard).? I'm not saying everyone should believe it.? I'm also not saying they shouldn't.? That's why it's a rumor.

I'm saying that, debating darks credibility for the umpteenth time, is a waste of time and effort.? Is it pertinent? Maybe, depending on how you feel about the rumor, itself.? But it's been done to death....and not one person, in this thread, has brought up anything that hasn't been posted before, and discussed ad nauseaum.? Not one person.

There is pertinent discussion that occurs in "The Dead Horse" section, too.? But it's they're still "dead horse" issues.

There are plenty of posters who have "flavor" that color their posts.? Plenty.? But you will notice that it is not brought up EVERY SINGLE time they post (or, in this case, have a post transplanted here).?

And, once again, the thread is becoming about "dark" and not about the rumor, itself.

Just a real quick note, in case people thought I just posted this and vanished or something.  I'm back out in St. Louis again (this travelling thing is a nightmare) - I haven't heard back from my friend in a few days. (No big surprise there, happens alot - especially at end / beginning of month type time).  It is , again, entirely possible that none of this is true.  I simply wish to reiterate that for those that seem to think i'm trying to spread the gospel or something.  I'm not.  I'm sharing interesting information that comes my way - I don't vouch for its reliability except to say that I believe its information that was really told to my friend.  I hope its true - but who the hell knows.  This is, after all, GNR.

As soon as I get more information that verifies, cancels out, corroborates, or expands on this rumor (well, set of rumors, really) - I'll be glad to share.  I probably won't have a chance to respond to many threads / PMs this week, as my schedule is shaping up to be brutal.

By the way, I really appreciate the people that come to my defense.  Not because I think I need defending, but moreso because they actually have an inkling of the guy behind the keyboard - and know enough about me to know that I don't get off on intentionally misleading the fanbase.

On the IRS leak - Although I spelled out the story before.. I'll explain once again for the sake of those slightly confused.

A. About 2 days after IRS initially played, I listened to a copy of it - I also described it to my friends at the time.  (online friends, anyway) - as I've said before.. I heard it in a Production studio crouched behind a console.. I felt like I was 12, but it was cool.

B. The first IRS 'clip' that leaked wasn't by me.  Although I have reasonable suspicion it came from the same audio source.  (A source that I still sometimes wonder if it was a ripped CD digitally manipulated, as opposed to the radio recording story.)

C. A few people that day got IRS emailed to them.. via GMail (Smart cookie, the emailer - GMail's inbound IPs are untraceable).  Once I got the file from two different people in gmail PLUS a thrird person online I decided that, well, this is a stupid game - lets put a stop to it.

D. I, along with AxlGunner, concocted the Biff Tannen / Doc Brown thing.   Well, before that I was Argentian4Axl!! and, umm, he was I.R.S. (Irwin R. Schyster).  The main reason the full track wasn't leaked the first time was I wanted to post a clip or two, wait a bit - and see if anyone else would bite the bullet and post the whole thing.  No one did, so I said "fuck it" - and took the plunge.

E. I am NOT the person who recorded it off the radio (if such an event occurred) nor did I rip it off of the fabled 'Trunk CD' - all I did was put the track into a much wider distribution.  I did so because I felt the fanbase deserved it, period.  There was no ulterior motive.  It was done because I really don't know how to be a dick.  As tempting as it might have been.  Its the same reason my friend refuses to hook me up with the DAT - he knows the temptation would be too great for me to share it with the other fans.. its that whole 'hacker ethic' - sue me.

F. Oh yeah, I'm not the guy / girl / entities running or involved in any way with gnfr.com - I just thought I'd point that out for those that still seem to immediately think I'm the guy behind that.  Hell, I don't even know Flash.. I know, I suck.

Peace out,

-darknemus

thanks for the update darknemus. I was beginning to wonder if you had gone into hiding :hihi: , I've been checking both here and mygnrforum for your response to the question of validity of your friend's "news".

how long is he usually busy after month end? (aka when do you expect a response?)

for pilferk, you rush to defend dark every time too. maybe if you didn't bother posting long-ass responses then it wouldn't turn into such a huge debate everytime. it's like you post just so you have the last word. people are allowed to have their own opinions you know. dark isn't forcing people to trust him, some do some don't. it's hard with us gnr fans to believe cuz we've been let down so many times before. If jarmo was so pissed off about it and thought the news utter rubbish then he would've just locked this topic, but all he did was just state his opinion and let the discussions fly. He has a different view than you, get over it already. it's you arguing all the time that gets tiresome.

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion, and express it, except me? Hmmmmm???

Riiiiigggghhhhttttt.

The "debate" was in full swing, in this thread, long before I posted....

And I've said it, too.  Believe dark or don't.  Whatever gets you through the night.  But the endless debate about his credibility that crops up EVERY time, and follows the same predictible path, is a dead end.  Everyone gets it:  Some people believe him.  Some don't.  Can't we just say THAT instead of rehashing the same old shit over and over?

Again, it's a dead horse.  It's been beaten into the ground.  I think it's time for the bullet.

Great example. Makes so much sense.  ::)

If every time I posted a rumor you questioned the fact that I hadn't been right about much in the past, then you might have a point.

I'm sure nobody would question his credibility if he posted news articles about GN'R or in the wrestling thread. But this is a "rumor". A bit different....



/jarmo

no, you put words in my mouth (or in my post ?:-\ )

you constantly rush to defend the credibility, causing the argument that you "hate" so much, then you carry on about it post after post. we understand your view. let it lie already

So Jarmo, to sum up these 9 pages, this 'rumor' is bullshit!? :o

It's what you said. ?Let everyone express their opinion. ?And then essentially told me to shut my yap. ?And then did it again at the end of your LAST post.

You obviously DON'T understand my opinion. ?Nor did you follow the thread real closely. ?The debate of darks credibility was raging long before I posted in it. ?Re-read the thread if you'd like.

And I'd love for you to point out where, in this thread, I defended darks credibility? ?Go ahead.

My first post MIGHT be construed as such...until you get to the end of it and I make the same point I've been making through the whole thread: The debate is pointless.

I've pointed out that I don't think jarmo's "definition" of what's credible (something with a disclaimer isn't credible) is very compelling. ?But that's not to say anything toward darks credibility. ?I leave that to each person to judge on their own.

My other posts in this thread? About the IRS clips? ?Nothing about credibility. ?Just what happened.

Now, we understand YOUR view. ?You willing to practice what you preech?

It makes LOTS of sense, jarmo, for the same reason debating darks credibility makes sense.? It adds "context" to your posts, and to what you say....warrented or not.? But discussing that relationship has been hashed, and rehashed, over and over and over.? It's no longer compelling to do it in every thread you post in.?

I certainly understand the opinion that darks not credible.? I don't share it, but I understand it.

What I don't understand is why the same debate has to occur every single time out.? Every single time.? Why almost every thread dark posts in becomes about dark, and not about what dark posts.? Again, it's why, I think, he doesn't post much here anymore. Edit: When Mysteron posts, the mods instantly drag it back on topic when it becomes a "Mysteron" thread.? Ditto with other posters (you included). How is this any different? End Edit

We all need to get past it.

Why argue so heatedly if you aren't defending him??? ???


what are you talking about?! ?:confused:

just post a longer response so that it makes your opinion more important ok? ?: ok:

I'm done with you :peace:

I've explained my point.? Old, boring, tiresome, rehashed, dead horse.? Both sides of it.

What am I talking about?? You said:?


even though you clearly don't.

My response was:

"Now, we understand YOUR view.? You willing to practice what you preech?"


And I apologize if my posts are too long for you.? Skip them next time.? I won't be hurt...I promise.

hey people! Shut the fuck up and think for yourself!!!! Is that so damn hard! Rumour or not.. who cares... people arent totaly retarded!

well   if you believe him or not, if it`s true or not, we`ll see what comes out of this.....anyway

Thanks.  That's exactly my point.

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Awesome post Nytunz! : ok: and point well taken.