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Title: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Buddha_Master on September 26, 2005, 11:32:12 AM
I agree with many that are on this list but, Axl certaintly tops many that shouldn't have made the cut. The first two, would be my picks for the first two (and in the same order as well).

Man, guess that's what Axl gets. People are starting to forget.


http://music.aol.com/feature/greatest_songwriters


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: makane on September 26, 2005, 11:45:00 AM
U2 and Kurt Cobain don't deserve to be on that list, but neither does Axl Rose, or if he did, it should be Axl Rose & Izzy Stradlin.


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Grouse on September 26, 2005, 12:07:12 PM
Kurt cobain, but no Freddie Mercury or queen for that matter that's just ridiculous :rant:


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: madagas on September 26, 2005, 12:13:43 PM
Cobain is an incredible songwriter..so is Bono/U2. The one I wouldn't have on the list is Elton and Bernie. It almost looks like a list I would write! :hihi:


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Jamie on September 26, 2005, 12:18:32 PM
That's a pretty good list. Except Kurt Cobain he's just a moan. I'm surprised there's no Gilmour/Waters. Or Hendrix. Or there's no Bowie either.


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: FlashFlood on September 26, 2005, 12:23:15 PM
Bono is the worst thing to happen to music...ever.


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Continental Drift on September 26, 2005, 12:54:40 PM
 I don't know if Axl "alone" belongs on that list- mostly because of a lack of material. What he has done has been brilliant though.

A "Rose/Stradlin'" entry absolutely belongs on that list though... for AFD alone. It's a legendary tandem.


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on September 26, 2005, 01:57:53 PM
I don't know if Axl "alone" belongs on that list- mostly because of a lack of material. What he has done has been brilliant though.

A "Rose/Stradlin'" entry absolutely belongs on that list though... for AFD alone. It's a legendary tandem.

It would have been guns n roses like it was led zeppelin
That is a great list save u2 and nirvana.


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: ppbebe on September 26, 2005, 03:07:17 PM
Yes The list seems quite reasonable. Not a big fan but I'd put Queen cos it's about songwriting.

The youngest n latest is the dead one. sad ay.

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Or there's no Bowie either.
Bowie as a song writer? Hmm?


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Izzy on September 26, 2005, 04:49:53 PM
Lol - without Roger Waters included that list only serves to prove the writers ignorance. If someone can find a song with better lyrics than 'Time' i'd love to hear it!


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Rob on September 26, 2005, 05:00:33 PM
Lists suck.  Why do we pay so much attention to these BS Top 10 lists around here?


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Izzy on September 26, 2005, 05:01:49 PM
Lists suck.? Why do we pay so much attention to these BS Top 10 lists around here?

Reason: No news. Ever


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Holy War on September 27, 2005, 02:13:37 AM
Holy shit!

I can obviously understand Nirvana but I can't believe so many here don't like U2!

Definitely one of the top ten bands of all time.  : ok:


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Nytunz on September 27, 2005, 04:36:46 AM
Bono is the worst thing to happen to music...ever.

totaly agree  : ok:


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: iloozion on September 27, 2005, 07:46:27 AM
axl's not on there cos he hasn't written enough songs (or songs that he's actually RELEASED!!)


as that list points out: the entire beatles catalogue was written and released in under 10 years........come on Axl! pull your finger out!


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on September 27, 2005, 11:16:08 AM
axl's not on there cos he hasn't written enough songs (or songs that he's actually RELEASED!!)


as that list points out: the entire beatles catalogue was written and released in under 10 years........come on Axl! pull your finger out!

Guns n roses have just as many albums as nirvana. Guns n roses have AFD, Lies, UYI I and UYI II.
Nirvana have Bleach, nevermind and inutero.



Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Oglethorpe on September 27, 2005, 12:06:07 PM
Holy shit!

I can obviously understand Nirvana but I can't believe so many here don't like U2!

Definitely one of the top ten bands of all time.? : ok:
One of the top ten most overrated bands of all time maybe......most overrated in the history of music in my mind.  And you can put U2-Part 2, also known as Coldplay, in the number 2 slot.


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: madagas on September 27, 2005, 12:17:15 PM
Izzy, would you like about 100 other songs with better lyrics than Time? :hihi: Waters is great but NOTHING compared to the man at number 1.

 
Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son?
Oh, where have you been, my darling young one?
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains,
I've walked and I've crawled on six crooked highways,
I've stepped in the middle of seven sad forests,
I've been out in front of a dozen dead oceans,
I've been ten thousand miles in the mouth of a graveyard,
And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard,
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Oh, what did you see, my blue-eyed son?
Oh, what did you see, my darling young one?
I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it,
I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin',
I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin',
I saw a white ladder all covered with water,
I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken,
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children,
And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

And what did you hear, my blue-eyed son?
And what did you hear, my darling young one?
I heard the sound of a thunder, it roared out a warnin',
Heard the roar of a wave that could drown the whole world,
Heard one hundred drummers whose hands were a-blazin',
Heard ten thousand whisperin' and nobody listenin',
Heard one person starve, I heard many people laughin',
Heard the song of a poet who died in the gutter,
Heard the sound of a clown who cried in the alley,
And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Oh, who did you meet, my blue-eyed son?
Who did you meet, my darling young one?
I met a young child beside a dead pony,
I met a white man who walked a black dog,
I met a young woman whose body was burning,
I met a young girl, she gave me a rainbow,
I met one man who was wounded in love,
I met another man who was wounded with hatred,
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Oh, what'll you do now, my blue-eyed son?
Oh, what'll you do now, my darling young one?
I'm a-goin' back out 'fore the rain starts a-fallin',
I'll walk to the depths of the deepest black forest,
Where the people are many and their hands are all empty,
Where the pellets of poison are flooding their waters,
Where the home in the valley meets the damp dirty prison,
Where the executioner's face is always well hidden,
Where hunger is ugly, where souls are forgotten,
Where black is the color, where none is the number,
And I'll tell it and think it and speak it and breathe it,
And reflect it from the mountain so all souls can see it,
Then I'll stand on the ocean until I start sinkin',
But I'll know my song well before I start singin',
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.
 

 ?

 ?For anyone the least bit interested in true genius and true artistry, I suggest watching the PBS documentary on Dylan tonight at 9pm et. I know it is being broadcast in the UK, but not sure about everywhere else. Tonight is part 2 and it is amazing. I bought the dvd last week. One interesting comment Dylan made was that an artist can NEVER be content with where he is at today-always strive for something new, better, and different (as long as the artist is true to himself). This part of the documentary is about Dylan going from folk to rock in 65-66 (all acoustic material to electric). His fans rip him apart. But, he obviously persevered, held true to HIS vision, and eventually changed rock and roll, literally, forever. He could have easily quit or given the fans what they wanted at the time, but he didn't. Look at the result, now almost unanimously considered to have recorded three of the top twenty greatest cd's of all time during 65-66 (Highway 61, Blonde on Blonde, and Bringing it all back home). Sometimes you have to give a certain portion of your fan base a big "fuck you". :o


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Buddha_Master on September 27, 2005, 01:59:10 PM
Dylan is the greatest songwriter of all time. Saying otherwise makes a man a fool. But of course you are entitled to your utterly wrong insignificant opinion.


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Holy War on September 27, 2005, 09:25:14 PM
One of the top ten most overrated bands of all time maybe......most overrated in the history of music in my mind.? And you can put U2-Part 2, also known as Coldplay, in the number 2 slot.

I will agree with your second assertion.

Coldplay is to U2 is what Oasis is to the Beatles.


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Falcon on September 27, 2005, 09:49:54 PM


I will agree with your second assertion.

Coldplay is to U2 is what Oasis is to the Beatles.

Actually, Coldplay is to The Verve as what Oasis is to...


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Gunner80 on September 28, 2005, 01:02:50 AM
Bah....I don't need some poll to know what I believe to be true - that being, Axl is one of the greatest singer/songwriters to ever grace the pop world. : ok:


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Jamie on September 28, 2005, 08:48:08 AM
Dylan is the greatest songwriter of all time. Saying otherwise makes a man a fool. But of course you are entitled to your utterly wrong insignificant opinion.

I love how absolutely no-one has tried to argue that point! Dylan is indeed the ultimate songwriter.


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on September 28, 2005, 08:58:22 AM
Dylan is the greatest songwriter of all time. Saying otherwise makes a man a fool. But of course you are entitled to your utterly wrong insignificant opinion.

Its either Dylan or Lennon.


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Luigi on September 28, 2005, 10:23:58 AM
Axl difinitely should be in the top ten.


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Izzy on September 28, 2005, 10:45:15 AM
Waters is great but NOTHING compared to the man at number 1.

I never said other wise - i said a list without Waters included is all but meaningless, where Waters comes on that top 10 wasn't something i speculated....


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: ppbebe on September 28, 2005, 11:37:45 AM
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Dylan is the greatest songwriter of all time. Saying otherwise makes a man a fool. But of course you are entitled to your utterly wrong insignificant opinion.

If it were solely on lyric writing the list should be shifted.

I'd rank a totally different lyricist first than Dylan or Lennon.  :P


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Jamie on September 28, 2005, 11:38:46 AM
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Dylan is the greatest songwriter of all time. Saying otherwise makes a man a fool. But of course you are entitled to your utterly wrong insignificant opinion.

If it were solely on lyric writing the list should be shifted.

I'd rank a totally different lyricist first than Dylan or Lennon.? :P


Like who?


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: ppbebe on September 28, 2005, 12:25:13 PM
Hum
Just off the top of my head beck or morrisey
It's just me. :peace:


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: madagas on September 28, 2005, 12:37:06 PM
Definitely just you! :hihi: Those two aren't even remotely in the ballpark with Dylan. Beck is a complete knockoff of Sir Bob-lyrically. It is certainly acceptable to like someone's style over others, but objectively speaking, no way! As for Mr. Rose being in the top ten songwriters of all time-hell fuckin' no. Not enough true masterpieces and not enough catalog-just like Cobain (who I wouldn't put in the top ten either).? ::) I still luv ya PPBEBE but I'm sure you are young and have yet to tap in to Dylan's full catalog. :-*


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Gunner80 on September 28, 2005, 03:05:09 PM
Definitely just you! :hihi: Those two aren't even remotely in the ballpark with Dylan. Beck is a complete knockoff of Sir Bob-lyrically. It is certainly acceptable to like someone's style over others, but objectively speaking, no way! As for Mr. Rose being in the top ten songwriters of all time-hell fuckin' no. Not enough true masterpieces and not enough catalog-just like Cobain (who I wouldn't put in the top ten either).  ::) I still luv ya PPBEBE but I'm sure you are young and have yet to tap in to Dylan's full catalog. :-*
Saying Bob Dylan is the greatest is completely subjective. Do I think he's the greatest? hell no! What do these stupid polls mean in the real world anyway? NOTHING WHATSOEVER!


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: D on September 28, 2005, 03:06:56 PM
where did Prince come in at that list?

If he isnt top 3 that list is flawed and it sucks

No other artist is as prolific as that man is and can write every single instrument the way he can.


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Jamie on September 28, 2005, 03:53:37 PM
Hum
Just off the top of my head beck or morrisey
It's just me. :peace:

Well, that's your opinion and you're entitiled to it. I just really cannot see who can even rank to Dylan as fair as Cultural Context, Political context, and overall great songwriting is concerned, except maybe Lennon.


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: Falcon on September 28, 2005, 04:48:52 PM
where did Prince come in at that list?

If he isnt top 3 that list is flawed and it sucks

No other artist is as prolific as that man is and can write every single instrument the way he can.

Not sure if Prince is considered a "rock" songwriter D.


Title: Re: AOL: Greatest Rock Songwriters...And, Our boy isn't on the list
Post by: ppbebe on September 28, 2005, 06:05:44 PM
have yet to tap in to Dylan's full catalog. :-*

Ugh, that's true, I don't even possess an album of his I must admit. :-\

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Cultural Context, Political context

Plus I take the sounds of the words/a ring in them and lyricism into account. +
maybe the sense of humour sometimes.

Well Ok I'll try Dylan n Lennon solo. >:(