Here Today... Gone To Hell!

today in my pop culture class we had a discussion on the history of music, and my teacher showed various clips including the major rock and roll bands of our time, such as van halen, bon jovi , gnr, etc. He then showed a video about the evolution of musical lyrics and how they evolved from being happy to dark. He showed song clips from slayer,mercyful fate, metallica, and then gnr popped up they showed the lyrics from it's so easy, you know the part that goes, you get nothing for nothing.... and one in a million, then one of the girls in glass goes "that's so disgusting" and the teacher says i have a problem with gnr because i think they are disrespectful towards women, but yet he praises tupac shakur for being a cultural icon yet his music and lyrics depict women being far worse. >:(

Was this in high school or college?

i don't think they are really any worse of an influence than any other band on the "edge"

First off, what were Bon Jovi doing in a list of bands that have dark lyrics?   :rofl:


Anyway, the fact that your (most likely) lefty teacher worships Tupac is no shock to me.  In his eyes, a black man with a controversial opinion is liberating.  However, a white man with a controversial opinion is just angry.  Total hypocrite.

Who gives a flying f**k what some stuck-up scum-bag of a teacher thinks about the cultural impact the music has on any given generation? Music is all about the release of emotions the artist may be feeling at that particular moment in time. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you don't like something don't listen! And never try and understand someone's true intentions when it comes to musicial expression.

Whoa easy there tiger.... he was just pointing out what his teacher said.  It had something to do with GNR.  I find it interesting what other generations think of 80's and 90's music. 

And its easy to make anybody look like the bad guy.  You could easily turn it around and say 'oh look, Axl wrote Sweet Child for his girlfriend and Don't Cry is such a touching song... he is clearly a loving and caring person.'  Like Axl_Owns_Dexter said, this teacher is most likely a lefty who has an agenda and is willing to bend and manipulate the facts in order to get his message across. 

But I have to go on record saying that Tupac is a great lyricist.  I don't like some of his actual music, but his lyrics really are incredible.  Personally when I think of great lyricists, I think of Axl, Layne, Cobain, and Tupac (I am ready for the slack about the last two). 

Tupac a great influence? If you want end up shot dead on a street sure! What a moronic teacher!

do we have to go the political side all the time ....?

axl's disrespectful to women, tupac is. we know. they're both assholes. ;)

Exactly the same thinking here.
Even though GNR it's a great influence in me I don't hit woman at all, I think people should always try to get the best things from anything you hear.  : ok:

Nothing groundbreaking here... just a matter of those teenagers who went along hook, line and sinker with Cobain back in the day about Axl being an "idiot" and "disrespectful to women" etc. are now through graduate school and are swelling the ranks of academia. Another reason to home school. : ok:

hahahaha well done.  They are unable to be succesful in the real world so they enter the world of academia to get their power fix. 

Something tells me all the musicians mentioned in that class would laugh at this guy.

Most teachers are stuck up idiots. I remember when i was in school and i asked my teacher if he knew what good music was like guns n roses  and he asked who they where. I don't belive crap that coms outta there mouths reagrding that stuff. I mean yeah poison isnt that good a band but come on my po didnt know who they where wheni asked if i could go to one of there concerts

joe

Well if this is a highschool class - it's a patehitic one - kids leave school not knowing how to read.  I don't see a purpose in discussing Kurt Cobain's  favourite coffe shop or anything else.  LEARN MATH!!!

And you were able to make a groundbreaking decison your teacher was an idiot in what - grade 9? lolol

Try taking their job and dealing with shitheads non-stop

tell your teacher to contemplate the lyrics to Don't Damn Me.

That's the answer to that type of criticism

Jesus - u wouldn't happen to be American would u?

I heard he left the flag in the rain, omg! ::)

have you heard 'Dear Mama' or 'thats why the call you bitch' by Tupac, because i suggest you do.  Tupac had the utmost respect for woman, and he was defenitly a iconic figure and more influencial than Gn'R (hey i love Gn'R but thats my opinion.)

Some of your guys' responses are really ignorant, Tupac was speaking out about the life and violence in his upbringing, while Axl sung about homophobia and rascism(in only one song i know) which opinion do you think is gonig to more frowned upon?

And the teacher is an idiot for not liking Gn'R for the lyrics and whatever wow thats his opinion i'd have a hard time defending Axl's actions(I've never heard of 2pac ever hitting a woman, unlike Uncle axl)

So in conclusion, get a fucking clue guys.

Cool bad tripp.... whether people want to admit it or not Tupac really was and still is an iconic figure.  I agree with you about his lyrics, his message, and his track record of abuse.  Funny, the people who get annoyed at others for classifying Axl as a homophobic racist asshole are the same people who are doing it to Tupac because of what they 'heard' about him. 

You can't blame Guns N' Roses' songs for Axl's bad behavior towards women. Whatever a man does in his personal life is irrelevant with the songs. It's the worst (wrong) way to judge an artist.

This discussion is bs......If you ask me all this totally empty and stupid blasphemous "hip hop bling bling hoe ass money" rap shit we see on mtv these days has a bad influence on society especially kids. Meaning kids watching all this stuff just get completely stoopid. I see these 11 year old kids in Germany, dressing up like these morons and talking laughablenesses about being gangsta, getting hoes driving pimped up rides....come on

Do not get me wrong, I appreciate 2Pac or BIG for many great songs with a political meaning, just something behind the facade of richness and booties. I mean I can not agree with Pac on all things, since he was quite radical as a black person on some issues, but at least there was a meaning to it.

Looking at guns back then....There simply are no more lyrics like "estranged", "coma" "civil war" etc. And even controversial lyrics like "wttj" or "one in a million" are so much more worthy than all this meaningless and faceless stupidity on MTV these days. Because it makes people think and it makes people debate and discuss.

Guns in the 80s was part of this decade, dominated by violent movies, conservative politics, big american cities going down in poverty and crime and generation x. So when AfD came out and the first big tours and riots happened christian conservatives might have been worried about a band, loud, violent and agressive. But with the illusion albums GnR became so much more then just  an angry rock band. You should judge a band not only by its scandals but by its music and by its lyrics. And in my point of view Stupidity is much more dangerous than controversy.

There is home truth in this last post.

In Canada the top paid teachers on a tenured salary grid make about $79,000 a year after putting in 11 years of work with their respective board

teacher is an idiot, tup pac was such a asshole and has tasteless lyrics towards women, plus the dick was a thug..

music is not a bad influence on society, it is a by-product of society.

to a certain extent this may not be true, as somebody may decide to take drugs because they idolise gnr and they lifestyle they lead, but at the end of the day it is down to they person and not the music that they decided to start taking drugs.

of course the argument will always exist about whoever is famous at the time being a bad influence. however i doubt an entire existence of social problems can be blamed on musicians/footballers etc. if someone is going to be the scum of society, they will be whether their favourite musician is or not.

I'am just saying that alot of people dont like him and the band for the lyrics in 'one in a million' and alot of people wont listen to Gn'R because of who Axl is, if you dont like the guys playing the music you probably wont listen to it.  Yeah its not a good way to judge the artist because you are just judging the person not the actual music, but I can understand why people dont like Gn'R cause Axl's behavior.