Here Today... Gone To Hell!

So, who now believes that Mercks infamous comment will prove to be true words? Or alternatively, did we read the comment the wrong way?

Is it possible that Merck was implying something else? It's hard to see that it meant anything other than a re-emergance of GNR in some capacity  - this year. Could he have been refering to the settling of the lawsuit that Axl is embroiled in, more saying that 2005 will see Axl unequivocally own the GNR name, hence 2005 being the year of GNR?

Whatever way you look at it, it's a big statement to make. Not that Merck hasn't made outlandish/grandiose statements on behalf of Uncle Axl before mind....   ::)

Something should happen. Stay tuned.

what would you be refering to there. If you could tell me I would appreciate it.

"Something should happen". "stay tuned". Thats funny! Somthing should've happened in 12 years, the same amount of time we have been staying tuned. I must be the only person that thinks Merck should've been fired over the 2005 comment. The only possible thing that could happen is an announcement for next year. There isn't a chance in hell that the album is coming out this year.

I agree, Im sure Merck has some exceptional skill that can be utilised, but if CD doesnt see the light of day in 05, Merck and more specifically Uncle Axl, have yet again, let down the fans

So no one thinks the statement was refering to the lawsuits? Any other theories on what he could have meant?

I think Merck sincerely meant that CD was gonna come out. But unfortunately, he was wrong. I wonder why? I wonder who could have possibly steered him in the wrong direction? :o If Axl wont make a statement about CD near year's end, then Merck is gonna have to say something to the GNR fanbase. Because when Jan. 2006 comes with no news, there is gonna be alot of pissed off people.

Are we approaching a point where GNR forum users are going to exit en masse?

We've proven we're a resiliant bunch if nothing else - I mean I honestly thought it was over for good when good ol' Uncle Axl issued his last statement (the infamous "Bucketheads left and yeah, again heres a convinient scapegoat to blame everything on") especially given he stated they hope to announce a release date in the next couple of months.  :hihi: What was particularly hilarious were the debates that ensued as to what constituted a "couple"

Good post, Jimmy! We are definitely reaching the point of a mass exodus from the forums. A few months ago, I predicted that it would happen in Jan. 2006 when everyone realized that there isn't any news, and there's no prospect for news. Haven't you noticed that not as many people post anymore? The exodus has already started, but its just a trickle. The finale will occur in January.

I think people are going to stick around and see this thing out to the bitter end. The main problem is, peoples hopes can only be dashed so many times.

Realistically, how many "soon is not the word" and "taking it to the next level" statements can a fan of a rock band take?? Worse still, are the "dive and in and find the monkey/burning hills" style bizarro, freak statements that confuse and alienate the fans.

I guess, for me personally it's a matter of closure.

However, that doesnt mean I enjoy being taken for granted and lied to as a fan? >:(

I would suggest you stop complaining about the delays and understand that this is out of our hands. If it is released, so be it. But bitching about something that has no effect on you on a daily basis is pointless. If you are truly worried about this year, you should read up on the lawsuit scheduled for trial this november. That likely will have a tremendous impact on a 2005 statement of release for Chinese Democracy.

calm down man
this thread aint meant to be about bitching or hostility

the main point was to see if :
a) we believe Mercks comments and will see CD released this year

or

b) we somehow misinterpreted the comment and he meant something else entirely.

IF the album does drop in Nov or Dec then he will be right. 

so youre hopeful of an '05 release Dave?

I don't hope for anything. The album comes out when it comes out. I am not going to lose sleep over no relase date like some of the bashers they keep bitching about it.

i'm perfectly calm. Jameslofton seems to be agitated every day that passes without a statement

I'd be surprised if people started to leave in mass.. part of me actually believes more people will leave the forum once the album comes out, than if it didn't show up for another 2 years. Just as a "Ok we got Chinese Democracy.. lets just enjoy it.. go to some kick ass GN'R concerts... we can leave heretodaygonetohell.com just for a little while" kinda thing.

Actually.. who am I kidding.. when Chinese Democracy comes out im gonna crack off some fire works and type in super large red bold font "CHINESE DEMOCRACY STARTS NOW!" and I believe the rest of the forum will do the same... so I don't see anyone leaving, although 90% of our forum topics are speculation.. and I don't know what we would talk about if it actually WAS out. Heh...

2010 Chinese Democracy II starts NOW! I already one billion % know someone is gonna mess up our fun on the album release date with a "When do you think the next album is gonna come out?" thread.

And when Merck said his 2005 comment he ment it was supposed to come out in 05. If he ment anything eles and he trys to pull some bs move like "Oh I didn't mean THAT" then he should get kicked in the face.. lol. I mean did he actually think we wouldn't assume it ment C.D. was coming!?

Personally.. although it may sound crazy, I have hope for a December release. I know.. laugh all ya want...

     - jack

I hope you are.


Even if the album was released tomorrow, you'd find something else to complain about. Maybe the good old "why is he using the GN'R name?"....



/jarmo

it may be late for 2005.. but i guess you never know.  we can't say until jan 1.

as for merck sayin what he said, he was either speaking for axl rose, or possibly tryin to put the pressure on him to release it this year.  maybe other things came up, we dont know.   it could be a million fuckin things, and gnr fans should know this by now.

Wow!!!? Within a week, Merck makes the cover of Billboard mag AND gets maligned for GNR not delivering CD so far in 2005.? Talk about emotional rollercoaster rides!? :hihi:

In Merck's defense, he understands how these things just can't be rushed:

quote
MM:? Our job is to provide an environment for the artist to be able to make their best record.? And then for their best work to have the time and the attention that it needs put into it in order for it to be a success.
end quote

CD will be an environmental masterpiece!? :P

Axl must have a very short attention span..  :hihi:

2005 will not be the year of GNR even if its released tomorrow, were almost 3/4'sof the way through the year, all the big festivals are over

I think Axl is just waiting a little while longer so the song "14 Years" can assume dual meaning.    ;D

The album has 0 chance of surfacing in 2005, and therefore 2005 has 0 chance of being the yaer of GNR.  I would say that 2006 is more likely, but then again I say that every year and every year I am wrong.  as far as Mewrck, I'm sure he actually thought this was the year at the time...just like all those time Dizzy or Tommy have said similar things regarding the timeline of CD. 

As for a mass exodus, it has happened to certain degree.  A ton of posters who used to be here a lot and who made up what made HTGTH great are gone or almost gone (meaning they hardly post anymore).  What is left are newer people and those that will hang on even if the album isn't released until 2025.  I used to post here a ton, but now I come to the main page to check the news, I check the foums for news, and post in the Jungle every other month or so to piss off slcpunk.  I used to come with anticipation, now it is more habit than anything.  I don't really expect any good news anymore.  Too bad too, because I really love IRS and think it is the best of his new stuff that we have heard so far.  It actually got me excited again fot this whole thing.

2006....maybe.

As of right now no member of gnr that I am aware of have anything planned past oct 31st.  Fortus cancelled his Nena dates for Nov, Dizzy has nothing past that, I am not sure when Tommy is doing this two shows with soul asylum but its just two shows. So If this is going to be the year it will start in nov or dec.  If that is true we should hear something by mid oct at the latest.

if it happenes in Nov/Dec, it will hardly be the year of GNR

Ummmm...I choose option "C".  What's option "C"? Glad you asked!

Option "C" goes something like this:

"Merck, when making the statment that 2005 was the year of GnR had every reason to believe it was true.  Every reason.  Turns out.....he was wrong.  And wrong not because of anything he did...not because of any misstep or action on his part."

Now, should the man be flogged for being wrong?  Nope. No fucking way.  Being wrong is part of the human condition.  And it's not like his being wrong has lead to any great tragedy, right?  Nobody died.  Nobody lost their home or their family.  Nobody has been caused terrible pain because of it.  The worst thing that happens is a bunch of people wait a little longer for the album (oh, and his character is besmirtched from pillar to post).

So, what's the big deal, again?

I think a lot of people still check the board periodically for news and rumors, but from my point of view, there's just not a lot to talk about or discuss.
I've been optimistic of a CD release every fall since 2002, and of course, have been wrong.
I think the only way there will be a mass exodus is if Axl or someone officially announces that there is no album to release and currently no official members in GnR other than himself.
Although, that would probably just prompt reunion rumors for the next 5 years.
As long as there is hope for a new CD, then everyone will still be here.
We all have practiced a great deal of patience for this project. I doubt we'll give up on it now.

well  i won`t give up on this album. i`ll wait until i can hold it in my hands and i hope this will be soon....

this board is definitely the best gnr board out there, but it?s problem is not people leaving, but people like jameslofton who spread their negativity in every post and can`t stop complaining about everything they hear. chill people; we`ll get it at some point and bitching won`t change anything, but kill this board, because there aren`t that much people on here who want to hear this negativity over and over.

this is no offense jameslofton, but your negativity sucks and i`m not the only one who has this opinion.

I think you guys mistake being realistic and logical for being negative.

there?s a difference between being realistic and bitching in every post about how merck should be fired because of a comment he did in a splash interview and that there?s no release date in sight.

You may see it as bitching, I see it as keeping this place honest.  He's the voice of reason.

Just a question, and I'm serious:

How does Merck deserve to be fired because he was, through absolutly no actions of his own, wrong?? I mean...he didn't lie, steal, or cheat, did he?

He was just wrong.? And wrong about something that, in the grand scheme of things, is pretty minor, right?

If a vendor told me we'd have a new version of software up by the end of September, and then failed to ship it on time....I'd file a "Wrongful Termination" lawsuit if my place of employment fired me!? I have nothing to do with it's production. I'm just the damn liason.  And if the vendor tells me nothing more, then I just relay what they've told me.  Same situation here, folks.

Firing Merck would be a classic case of "Killing the Messenger".

Honestly James sorry to keep on but why are you so fucking negative, just be patient please!!

This is probably a good thing cos it means that the neagtive mother fuckers who have bitched on this site for so long are not bothering anymore. I for one am chuffed to bits with this. Dont get me wrong I hope every day for an announcement on the album release date, but it upsets me so much to hear people being so negative about something none of know nothing about! We will no doubt know everything when the album comes out! What bugs me the most is the people who have come and gone on this site who dont really know jack about the band and only became fans in the last few years and they think they know it all and try and rip Axl and the new band to pieces. Thats why I sat fucking good riddance to them!

Ditto to the posts above!!!

No big deal.  if not this year, it's just +a few more extra months or years  after a decade(? )(for some /about a couple of years in my case :P).

I feel quite comfy here talking away and studying about the band with my fellow fans :D
This place would be even cosier if the agitators could quit their self-contra-diction and their negative campaign.
I like hearing others different opinions and not those spiteful instigations.

The people actually concerned in this project are having much harder time, really.

Cheers ppbebe! How ya doing? Always nice to see postive and thoughtful posts from you! Heres to a bright GnR future!! Whenever it may start!!

Not a negative campaign... but, I?m 30 years old now,? and I ain?t got a great music since ?93. I?m really tired to wait, I need this fuckin? album.

ppbebe, i think she is the most wonderfull poster on the forum!!
 And i totaly agree with the quotes above!

I know its frustrating mate, but you have gotta stay postive. I am 29 so like you I have been a fan since day 1 of the Guns n Roses roller coaster! And even though it gets really hard waiting sometimes for the new album, I will always stay positive and be ready for the release day!! ?Its just so hard reading so many peoples childish negative shit for so long!

Nytunz I have to say that I agree with you about ppbebe, and also you are also one of the most positive posters on this site as well! I just think that all the positive guns fans there are on this site will be so much more satisfied when the album comes out because none of us have ever spoke bad shit about Axl or the new band members! Take it easy!

Thank you! And Copy that!  : ok:
im a fan of your posts to! And to keep the spirit up. It will  alow us to cry of luck when CD finally is in our hands!
At least this is a MUCH more positive forum then mygnrfourm !

I like james and his posts.  I am just as negative as him most of the time.  I'd rather have his (and my) point of view voiced here than to have aboard full of cheering optomistic people who blindly show faith when there is no reason for it.

Does that mean I hate GNR or Axl or Merck....no way.  It means that I am frustrated by this because I want it so bad.  What can be viewed by one person as negativity can be viewed by another as passion.  It will seem wrong and weird to alot of you, but to those of us who tend to be negative after all the false alarms and failed tour and wait, etc, it seems perfectly normal to show our passion through negative comments. 

Damn it!!!!  I want this thing now!!!! 

Realize one think.
This is Guns N`Roses we are talking about
After you have realized that, you may find out that there is no reason to be negative.
Because that wont help either way. It will just make your nerves week  :hihi:

The reason why the post count has gone down is simple, There's nothing to talk about.  Hell, I check this site several times a day, yet I don't post as much.  Everyones just waiting.  I've waited since 94, and it won't change until the album is released.  Then i'll wait for the next album ;D. 

I bitched about his damn statements a month ago.  Then they locked my damn thread.   Fact is he did say this was the year.   And guess what we aint gonna get shit..    Anyone got a rope.

We're lucky to have sues from Slash and others so we can have news. :P
(Ok now, I didn't mean that).

Amen to that. I became a fan through Appetite when GnR was pre-"jumped the shark" UYI era and became a fan again through Oh My God. Ill be honest, year after year Ive gotten used to the dissappointment until Merk made that statement..but I either than that I dont get my hopes up because the lack of news and communication to the fans gives me a headache with the negative ass clowns who frequent sometimes. '

James Lofton, you have some trippy fucking posts when Im baked, you remind me of the mother from Stephen King's Carrie along the lines of "There all gunna laugh at you" negativety :P

A release date will cleanse the board of negativity as well as the refreshing waters of a rearend colonic. Unfortunately, Uncle Axl hasn't opened the dam for the deluge.

any kind of statement would be appreciated. Some communication with the fans would be really nice.
Hell, Id even be happy with another helping of? 'burning hills'-style, bizarre ramblings or another lofty gem in the vein of:

"societal repression of deep and often agonizing emotions - some of which may be willingly accepted for one reason or another - the appropriate expression of which (one that promotes a healing, release and a positive resolve) is often discouraged and many times denied. Emotionally the song contemplates several abstract perspectives drawing from personal expression as well as from the film (End Of Days) and its metaphors. The appropriate expression and vehicle for such emotions and concepts is not something taken for granted."

Its better than this current freeze out

Foget Merck's statement, instead lets put the blame on the right person.

? ?


Press Release Source: Sanctuary Records Group
Guns N' Roses Not Able to Perform at Rock in Rio
Tuesday March 30, 6:00 am ET
A Message from W. Axl Rose


In the meantime rather than dwelling on the negative, Guns will be moving forward and surprisingly (without giving away any details) this unfortunate set of circumstances may have given us the opportunity to take our recording that one extra step further. Regardless we hope to announce a release date within the next few months.

Sincerely,

W. Axl Rose



A few months ?????

Defend this Dave, or any of the other "axl can do no wrong supporters".

One more fucking lie, and don't argue semantics with me as to "we hope".

The man has no idea how to keep a committment, pretty damn shallow.

I feel bad for Merck. he probably listens to all the stuff axl spews such as the statement about announcing a date in the next few (3) months.  he should know by now that axl clearly can't keep a committment and that he should just not say anything regarding gnr unless he wants to look bad.  doing pr for axl must be a nightmare.

Every year it's the same thing. The whole year is spent thinking the album will come out, and it never does. Then it starts all over again. I come here every now and then, and there's not alot going on. But I still come, and I still read what's here. I wish the album would come out, or at least get something other than "soon". And here it is September 2005. The speculation continues, and no real word from anyone. But I'm here, and I wait. If it comes out, then cool. If not, it's just the same old stuff as always. This is nothing new. Yeah it stinks, but I've been following this too long to give up now, or ever.Whatever happens, good or bad, I'll still be here next month, next year, whatever.

isn't that exactly what he said, 'we hope'?  i dont see any promises or committements.  take it for what it says, you see committment because thats what you WANT to see, but he didn't give it.  theres no semantics involved.  you either don't know how to read, or dont understand what you read.. 

Hi everybody,

Even I do not always agree with James and other people who complain about things from time to time, they are as valueable to the Forum as everybody else. I guess everybody gets frustrated by the long waiting time and therefor criticism must be allowed. I guess only die hard guns fans are left in this forum, so complaining about a lack of loyalty or enthusiasm might be completely unnecessary.

I do not have any contacts as jarmo or the others have, but looking from the outside on GnR management I personally think a lot of criticism can be outspoken. Obviously it is Mercks and Sanctuarys job to make GnR/ Axl look as good as possible. Nontheless I get the impression that these people really do not have a clue what is going on with Axl / CD, which might be not their fault. But if you do not know what is going on that you should not state things which you can not affect /control, like the 2005 statement. Things like this get back to you, and in the end you loose your credibility...

Anyways as I hinted before, a company and management who can not even control and coordinate themselves properly may not be the right choice for managing somebody as reckless and unpredictable as Axl Rose. Again I do not have any inside knowledge, but the situation from the outside looks chaotic and poorly planned (Mr. Rose?s lawyers may be the only part of mgmt. that acutally truly works). If I am proven wrong I will apologize of course.

Mr. Mercuriadis relatively new role as crises manager as CEO of the sanctuary group may not exactly be helpful in fully concentrating on GnR.

Hoping the best!

people
GNR is a "joke" to the media for YEARS
when the damn midia hear by AXL / GNR MANAGER that "this will be the year of GNR", there?s much more impact that a fucking rumor on the net.
so, IF december comes and no GNR NEWS till then, the midia will go chasing Merk to know what happened... IF JANUARY / FEBRUARY come and NOTHING NEW about GNR, those "jokes" about axl and GNR will just getting bigger and we will problably hear things like "the guy doesn?t even obey his manager... he is loosing his mind... he is carring the GNR name to the mud... bla bla bla" ... oh, and don?t forget that the 2? VR album will be out next year, so the "GNR / AXL?S jokes" will be more embarrasing... rs...

peace

whats really intersting is that real music fans always complain about how the management and record companies control their musicians and basicaaly use them as tools to make money.  This is the opposite with axl and cd.  Sanctuary has no control over him and neither does interscope and we all complain about that.  But we would complain jus as much if they had complete control and his artistic visions werent accepted.  Its a situation of win/lose if u go to either end of the spectrum, and the idea is to find a good balance or give more freedom to dependable artists who actually jus want to make music and play it (VR) and less to uncontrolable ones like axl.  They have givem him too much say in what goes on, and it has become no longer a question of his artistic vision causing him to constantly change the music but rather him not feeling much pressure. 

Jus like any corrput government, as long as the people generally stay quite the government will keep on being corrupt.  The only solution is to loudly voice our anger and frustration not only with axl but with his management group and anyone involved in what i fear the most to be forever known as the biggesy blunder in music history. 

Axl mus surely understand that its impossible to make a perfect album, and either way there will be negative criticism of it, but working on something for this long and not allowing anyone to control him is unexcusabble.  If CD ever comes out, the first and only question to axl should be: What the F*** took so long?

Merck is a decent man and has offered some information which was correct at the time.

You complain when there is no info then complain when info is offered. Make up your minds  ::)

Why can't people both have the cake and eat it?  :hihi:



/jarmo

I dont complain if I recieve no info.  I complain when i recieve info that is nothing but a CROCK OF SHIT!  All his statements did was let everyone down.

What's the point of having a cake, and not being able to eat it?  Bloody stupid saying........

Merck is a good guy.

I dont complain if I recieve no info. ?I complain when i recieve info that is nothing but a CROCK OF SHIT! ?All his statements did was let everyone down.