Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I know a lot of people keep saying that gnr do not really have a great lead player if they don't find someone to replace BH. Well, as it seems right now BHs parts will be staying on CD, and even if you hate Fincks playing live, in the studio setting he will get it perfect since he can redo parts Axl or he are not happy with. A lot of you seem to think gnr will not be taken serious without a great lead guitar player but who really has one? Not many bands have a guitar player with the caliber of a slash or a BH. ITs just a handful and the rest of the bands Finck is just as good if not better.

Also how good Gnr is will be based on their studio album not the live band. So if the guitar solos and riffs are great on the album it wont matter that BH is not there to play them live or if Finck bends a note too far. All that matters is how they sound on the album, that is what most people will be listening to when they hear the songs.

The reason certain people here get soo worried is because we just have to go on some live versions of songs that are over 3 years old.? So, dont worry, the finished product of the studio album will sound great and it wont have Fincks screw ups as some of you call them.

Anybody who isn't Slash and plays lead guitar in GN'R will be bashed.

If Jimi Hendrix was alive and played for GN'R, he would get bashed because he didn't play the November Rain solo like Slash did.

If Axl had gotten, let's say Zakk Wylde, the same thing would've happened too.




/jarmo

it's just like aerosmith without joe perry, we all know how that went  :'(

If Fortus took the Lead he wouldn't be bashed. A lot of people (including me) ask for Richard on lead. Not because we have something against Robin, but simply because we think Richard is better, and because he has the Classic-Rock vibe.

Or UFO without Schenker. Once u lose the magic combination, its lost. And nobody can make it the same again, no matter how good he is.

I've always said that Robin Finck is not that great a lead guitarist.  Don't get me wrong, he's a solid player but better suited for NIN.

So, you're admitting Fink sucked on that 2002 tour & given enough time in the studio, he can patch together some guitar parts & since no other bands today have quality lead guitarists, this band will fit right in. Cause that's what i got from the post.

Fortus is amazing but Finck is the man, his solo's have so much feel in em' i cant get enough of :drool: :drool: :drool:

They both play lead but i think Finck should be the domenant lead player :beer: :beer:

No don't put words in my mouth.  My point is, on CD buckethead will still be on lead so its not going to matter who the live band is. Also Robins style is more suited toward the industrialish gnr songs why fortus is suited for the more bluesy type. As for patch work, I think Robin is fine, and so what if he blows? a few notes here and there live my point is, in the studio setting they will take his best cut and use that, so there is no point crying that he bends notes too far during the 2002 tour. Robin may not be as good as slash but he is still a very good guitar player better than most bands lead player today.

You don't have something against Robin?

That's very funny!


You don't even know what Robin has done on the new album..... This is like saying you want to replace Ronaldinho on your team because you didn't like the way he played in some pre-season training matches.

Why not judge the guy after you heard his contribution?




/jarmo

Well, there was a 2002 tour you know...http://vitonen.net/ylimaaraiset/karri/novemberpain.mp3
Sure I will judge Robin after CD is released...but it seems that before, Slash solos are too hard for him.
To compare, It's like an average pupil trying to go to Harvard. The level requiered is too high.

I have been watching some of the 02 shows the last few nights. ?And while I do like the new guys on the new songs. ?I think they butchered most of the solos on most of the old songs. ?

Now I know that they have to have their own interpretation of these songs live. ?I just felt that the solos that they did play for some of the old songs were not very good.

As far as Finck handling the new songs on tour I think he will be fine, but as I haven't heard any of them yet (besides what we have all heard) I can't comment.

I don't know if they were to hard for him but there wasn't any feelings in the solos.? Most of the old songs are blues based/punk based rock.? At least the guitar parts are and he just didn't seem to have that blues feel in the solo.

On the new songs he was more suited for those songs I believe and sounded good.

You can post that link all you want but it proves nothing.  Slash fucked up solos all the time but you always just skip right over that. Robin played nov rain and the gnr songs about 20-30 times in his life while slash played them for 10 years thus is why he could play them easily.  Listen to old school gnr from 86, and slash butchers a lot of the solos because they were new to him. That is something  you and the other robin bashers always fail to realize.

Robin is in the band since 1997. He didn't join yesterday.
Although I didn't like BH, I never heard him butchering a solo. I also never heard Richard butchering a solo (the man arrived in 2002).
Once again, it's not a question of time, it's a question of talent.

Robin has talent, you really think if he didnt two of the most talented people in music would have used him on lead (Axl and Trent). As for Robin being in the band since 1997 like I said he played Nov Rain a handful of times in concert while Slash played it well over 200 maybe more.

But if  you want to talk abot talent here ya go. This is slash playing Nov rain, this is SLASH playing NOT robin.
What do you have to say about this?

http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2CHXT0C7BMA5U3UKMM6T2IOZ6O

and

http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1ANKEMGUUF98E0GSXKF99BSR0T

Paris'92 show. Watch it and you'll see what the word "talent" means.

I have to agree with you on that one...

Why is it so hard to understand that Robin isn't in GN'R to play the old material?

Do you think he joined just so he can play Slash's parts? Honestly?


If that was the case, Axl could've asked somebody from this board to join because I'm sure there are guitar players here who can play Slash's parts quite nicely.



/jarmo

 ???

Of course he is.  A more accurate wording would be "Why is it so hard to understand that Robin isn't in GN'R only to play the old material?." but playing old material is still a job requirement  for any guitarist Axl chooses.

Paris was when the old gnr had already played hundreds of shows together, while the ones you bash robin for are only the first handful. Just listen those slash nov rain solos they sound just like the ones you bash finck for, but of course when its slash you don't say anything about it. So comment how slash must really suck since he butchered that Nov Rain solo. It just goes to show you that slashs guitar playing on that has nothing to do with out great he played on the UYI album. The same will go for Robin on CD.

You know what I meant.




/jarmo

Let's put it this way:

B'Head while being a virtuoso, he plays all solos with the same- I'm faster than anyone on planet earth- scale.

Richard plays like Slash -a little bit sloppy- but with different tonality maybe he plays with a baritone guitar, what do I know.

Robin doesn't play like Slash. But IMO he has a great vibe and he can play with axl vocals easy(I mean he is on the same page as Axl's voice.)

Slash is Slash. What else can you say about him. However, he has fucked up his solos many times. Also I remember seeing a video of Slash playing Voodoo Child and it was horrendous, if I compare to the original.

After all, people can bash Robin all they want; however, he is going to be on all CD. And if you don't like his playing then don't buy CD. or wait until it comes on itunes so you just can buy the songs where he doesn't collaborate at all.

Robin will play the new gnr songs great because its his style. He is not going to be playing another persons songs. He will also be into his own songs more than just covering slashs solos.

Why do you people get so uptight over this shit. 

I have been a GNR fan for years and I like both eras.  Mostly the old but the new stuff is cool to.

As I said I think he butchers the old solos or at least doesn't play them with the same feeling/sound.  Whereas anything I have heard him play on the new era sounds good.  Definitely not the old sound but still a good sound.  I am interested in what happens on CD when/if it ever comes out.

And while I am sure that he didn't join GNR to just play the old material, that will be a mandate on the tours if that ever happens.  Until they release enough material to by pass most of it.

i might be incredibily biased, but the idea of calling either of them the "lead" isn't fair. richard is FUCKING AMAZING, just check out the Surf Movie soundtrack, the stuff he did with the compulsions, even his first band Pale Divine. All killer fucking guitar work that shows a greater range than anything ever done by a GNR guitarist.  i'm sure they will each do their own thing on the tour. i just can't fucking wait for the two of them jamming on stage together during an interlude.

i know the old songs will always be a part of the show, but if you go to a GNR show and you're there to hear SCOM for the ten millionth time and critique how someone plays it, then you don't fall into the catergory of "desperately waiting for chinese democracy and other new material"

well  i think robin is a great guitar player. you complain about the "sound" of his solos, but i think the "sound" is what makes them great, together with his feelings.  i think the problem for most people here is just, that he doesn`t play exactly the way slash did and mostly for that reason you don`t like his guitar playing...

if you listen to the chinese democracy and the blues solos you can`t tell me he`s not talented. i think those solos really express his style. i mean it`s not proven that they`re written by robin, but it`s pretty sure i think.
anyway i think he plays the old gnr stuff great, but just in his own way.
that goes also for the november rain solo...
 

I wouldn't categorize myself as "desperately" waiting for anything. ?

If they ?tour again I will not be there critiquing anything. ?I will be enjoying the show hopefully. ?

Of course if it was my first time seeing the new band live (which it will not be if they tour) I would definitely be interested in how the new guitarists play some of my favorite songs. ?

Any old GNR fan would out of curiousity.

I'm not sure if you were adressing my post but if you were please read it again.? I did say that the new songs did sound good.? But that is because those songs are more in tune with his(their) style of guitar playing.

I know that it will not sound like Slash on the old songs.? But it isn't even the same kind of style.

If you weren't adressing my posts then? :peace:

Actually either way? :peace:

the exact thing i thought after reading that

Of course you would because you have a way of twisting things into what they are not. 

It's Slash's solo. He can play it any fucking way he likes. But when u're playing someone else's solo, u either play it note for note or u improve upon it (which Robin can't do). You DON'T play it like Robin does.  :no:

Personally, I'm glad Robin is in the band.  I wouldn't want Slash to come back, Robin fits this band much better.   say what you want about him, but I've seen him live in person, and his style actually isn't that far from Slash's.  Robin plays the old stuff very well, and he plays the new stuff we've heard very well.  People bash him because he's not Slash, which is bullshit, but they would bash anyone who was playing lead guitar in GNR because they can't get over the fact that GNR can continue on with or without slash.  oh well.

And if you have a bad day and a concert just does't work you shoot yourself in the head, that's what you do when you don't play someone else solo note by note :P...........if you really like good music regardless of gender and ?labels try listen to Cirque du solei with robin's contribution, love slash to death but coul he play that? i don't think so, and still that doesen't make him any less taleted.

I love slash to death, but he is gone of GNR and that's not Robin's fault.

"So, you're admitting Fink sucked on that 2002 tour & given enough time in the studio, he can patch together some guitar parts & since no other bands today have quality lead guitarists, this band will fit right in. Cause that's what i got from the post."

please offer your reasons as to how these two posts differ and while youre at it, tell me how Ive twisted your words?

I think some boardmembers here believe they are Axl ! "Fire this one and chose this other one.. 2 keyboards? Beuheu"
Axl doesn't care at all what you're saying, so STFU :hihi:

I give Robin the credit of this solo. I think he did a great job. The blues solo is solid... surprisingly, he plays it with a? bluesy vibe. It's the first time I saw him playing something bluesy. and you see, it works.
But it doesn't stop me thinking the band would be MUCH more credible (and better) with Richard on lead, First, his guitar tone is more appropriate to GN'R, second,he would give a better image of GN'R compared to Robin, the band would be more popular, Richard would attract more new fans, and interest more people. And, the most important thing, the "new" GN'R wouldn't have this weirdo reputation anymore. They would be taken more seriously.

you guys also forget that music is not only about talent and skills
it's also about style and attitude.

people will always prefer slash, because slash's cool.
it's really basic, really simple. but it's the truth.

slash fuckin' up a solo will always give us more emotions than robin laying down the perfect music.

sad :(

your kiddin' me, dude Robin butches all his solo's, you have no idea what your taliin' about. Sure he was messy here n' there but Slash was just as, if not way worse then him.    Robin is a talented motherfucker man, what he does on November Rain is fucking incredible : ok: : ok: :beer: :drool:

Let's see that http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/shortclips/fortusnrain.wmv
It's clean, well done, nothing to say. It's well played. Now compare the same solo played by Robin several times (link ahead- november pain).
Who should take the Lead? The answer seems natural to me.

All right, a fuck up occasionally is ok. But Robin just loses it.

dont do it in the studio if you cant do it live

being things have been redone many times from what we read over the last year or so, does anyone think that they might doctor up some of the people's playing making it seem they are more talented then they are..??
Makes me think of the simpsons episode with nsync where nelson bart milhouse and company are signed as a boy group for their look but they have that special machine that make's their voices n sound, sound great.. Computer enhancement posible..?

Axl did say he was going to introduce computers and mentioned how gnr fans might not be ready for it.. Maybe he changed his mind..
Dave of late you seem to need to convince us or reassuring yourself that the album will be good or finck can play...

it never shocked me when slash was off.. You are talking about  abnd filled with drunks and drug addicts.. Check out vr now slash sounds really good.. Everyone fucks up no one is perfect..

Want to hear some bad playing listen n watch rio 3.. Definetly some good points but also a lot of bad all around playing.. DOn't get me wrong they did get better

Reassuring myself? How do you figure? With all the bullshit threads over the past weeks godforbid I post something postive about the new gnr and CD. Go figure someone talking good things about the band and  being postive. You should try it sometime

well ?i really like the way he plays on the old songs and he`s definitely not playing "clean", but that`s his style. it`s the same with art. you can draw something perfect and exactly the way it looks, or you concentrate on the important things and draw it in your style.

anyway i really dug his style. i think it`s just cool how he moves while he`s playing and how he`s playing and you should never take someone as lead guitarist only because you could allegedly sell more albums that way. if axl`s doing things not the way he wants just to become more popular or to be taken seriously , I won`t take him seriously anymore, but i`m quite confident that he`s doing what he wants and always will, because otherwise we`d allready have this fuckin album....

and we`ll see how robin`s doing when gnr tours again, because right now we judge him on the way he looked and played 3 years ago... ?i don`t want to say that his playing changed, but his look changed a lot as we all know... ? there was nothing wrong with his playing not changing anyway..

Ok fine. Whether all you nutswingers think Robina nd or the new band butcher the old songs. WHo cares. Thats your opinion fine.

But then dont say RObin butchers the new songs. It would be like saying Slash butchers his VR songs. Their his fukin songs. RObin can do whatever he wants with them. If you dont like it move on.

We won't.  ;)

And we already have. It's called VR.

I don't think anyone said he butchered the new songs at all!

people on this board have said it in the past many times. And it just shows how peopel on this board always want their cake and eat it too...

and it sucks...     by the way you`re probably in the wrong section here :peace:

That's ur opinion, but it sure beats waiting infinitely for that dumbass Axl to put out an album.  :peace:

Bouth Robin and Richards are great guitarplayers! And i hope they bouth play solos!

beside liking some of the songs and enjoying the live show I saw what can you say is positive? Failed tour, now news and it's been years since anything.. Sometimes being positive is different then being realistic..

all the threads are bullshit really, just people taking sides and being arm chair lawyers and making predictions

These threads are ALL pointless been as there is not technically speaking even a " new gnr " as nothing has been released, the so called bandmates are a revolving door and axl will deny that he did a nu-gnr 2002 tour.

So davegnfr2k and his lil` gnr clan buddies will still be convincing themselves and waiting for his hero to do something for another 20 years.
pretty sad really isnt it, all this over a band that does not exist as a band or as any other from of entity.

The only pointless thing here is you. See me and my so called clan are FANS and are here because we want to talk about Axl and his new gnr, while  you come here just to keep saying we will waiting for 20 years and to bash Axl and the new band. Kind of pathetic when you really think aout it, dont you think?

So dave, you come here to talk about axl and his new gnr............

What exactly is going on with axl and his new gnr, because i swear time has stood still because going back a few years and nothing has changed .

Face it daveyboy the `band` is dead and buried without the people who made gnr what it is/was .

Yeah and you keep coming here to annoy people. Things never change do they? If what you said is true, why do you still post here?

That was horrible!

It's always hard to play someone else's solo's but here he just misses alot of notes....but still I'm curious what he's done on CD.

come it's rock n roll, drugs, alcohol .... my ears hurt.... :(

I agree.  non-fans shuld leave the real fans alone to discuss our fav band.  go to the vr sectoin or some shit.

I like VR. I also like the new GN'R. All i was saying was that Robin fucks up the old song solos. And that's the truth.  ;)

robin is a really great guitar player, HE's the GNR guitarist, and it's cool.
he plays in a modern way, so i suppose some old cow boys who listened country & 80's heavy metal don't get it.

i just love his work on the new titles, and he plays the old tracks in his own way, it's not a simple copy of Slash,
so thx Axl to choose him, very good and interesting choice.

in fact i don't care buckethead left the band, because to me robin is the guy.

ok, I've bashed Robin a few times on here, but i've listened to a few shows from 2002 again recently focusing primarily on Robin's guitar work. Here are some comments i have.

Before I said that he fucked up some old solo's (Patience especially) but someone pointed out to me that he altered it. I am reluctantly agreeing. What i took for fuckups before are actually Robin's take on them. Now I don't know if that is the right way to go about things being as the songs are classic and people expect to hear them a certain way, but that's reserved for personal opinion i guess.

That being said now, He is a very sloppy player, his picking is never distinct, he always seems to slide into notes rather than pluck them clean, while that could be attributed to the effects he uses, personally i don't think that is why I hear this. All it boils down to is he's just not as good as Slash and Bucket. Now before anyone flies off the handle at this comment, Slash is awesome plain and simple, no-one can deny it, I don't even think Axl can deny it, so don't start the whole Slash simpathizer thing, Bucket is fucking wicked as well and don't fool yourself that his leaving has no effect on GnR. Robin is alright but he's just not in the same league as the other 2 guys. I really have nothing to say about richard as he was basically just straight rythym (sp?) from what i saw. (And I'm not about to check out his work for N-Sync? :hihi: )

As well i don't think that Robin can duplicate Bucket's style so, If it were me, I would've let Robin redo everything that bucket did. cuz if they can't do it live i don't wanna hear it on the album.

The blues is a fantastic tune, i love it, but..... we don't really know who wrote it so it's kind of a mute point to say Robin wrote it, we won't know til the CD credits show, unless there is a interview saying he did help write it of course, Madagascar is awesome as well. IRS and CD seem, to me anyway, to be more along the strengths of Robin's playing/writing ability.

Keep this in mind all you Finck lovers, if Robin is so kickass why bring in Buckethead in the first place? I'll tell you, he could duplicate Slash's style better, that's why. Maybe Bucket was just there for the 2002 tour all along. who knows right? not I, thats for sure. maybe a book will be released someday to fill us all in.

So i guess what i'm saying now, my most current opinion of Robin, is that he is, in fact, a decent guitarist, but, he should stick to where his strengths are (The old Slash GnR solos aren't his style) and i doubt we'll see much old stuff played if they ever tour again (5-6 songs per show max).

it doesn't matter who is the guitarist to me anyway, i'll buy CD when it comes out regardless

Robins webmaster said that robin wrote the guitar melody to the blues.

Nice, I like Robin.

Guitar 'melody' probably as in the riffs played during the verses and between. I don't think Robin is capable of the solo in the blues. That's definitely Buckethead's work.

Wrong since the blues was written before BH entered the band. Robins webmaster was also talking about the solo.

i agree, if its done in the studio you have to be able to do it live

since axl blamed BH for not playing RIR he was there for more than just the 2002 tour

It is the truth. I was shocked when I heard the soundboards; he even struggled with his own solos on Blues and Cd. My biggest problem is the pacing of his performance. He seems to be always lagging behind the tempo of the song; his solos suffer from an unevenness as he struggles to catch up. Bucket meanwhile hit almost every note he attempted; he did great service to the old material and even improved upon the great work slash did on Nightrain and Out Ta Get Me.

Do not listen to Live and Let Die from the Asian Leg of the 2002 tour. Yikes. They were having huge problems with drum lead in to the 'solo'. Butchered

well  i can`t see a point here....

some people including me like robin and his playing/style, while the others don`t....

some think he wrote the solos of the blues and chinese democracy some not......

and it`s pretty sure that we can`t change the opinions of each other and we don`t know the facts, so we should stop this now. well, i`m out :peace:

this is exactely the same like oldgnr vs. newgnr.....

well personally, what I find really interesting  about this is that Dave basically started a thread saying "don't worry about those live fuck ups Finck made because":

a) he's had ample time in the studio to get it right

and

b) no bands have guitarists of the calibre of Slash these days so Finck will fit right in

I agree in part Dave, however I think Finck is yet to really show us his best. I agree that on their own material, Finck should come into his own and shine.
I saw him play with NIN in 2000 and he was very impressive, so personally I have a good feeling hes going to make some awesome contributions to CD. With the exception of Axl of course, I think Finck will be the major creative contributor.

Fortus is the one Im worried about though.

I dont worry about Fortus he added that awesome outtro to the blues. When I heard that song at rio and hob something was missing at the end, but he added the ended and made it so much better. Also listen to robins licks on IRS its fucking great. I assume that him doing the main riffs on that song.

anyone who think robin is "sloppy"

go listen to the nin bootlegs, you call that sloppy? he plays the shit to a T

and if you've never heard the Surf Movie soundtrack which RICHARD does EVERYTHING on, then  you have no right to criticize his ability as a guitar player, because even if you don't like the songs on it, it's obvious from it that's he's EXTREMELY TALENTED

especially check out the riffs on "my platonic puppy" and "hitting the ground"

I dont think the concerns expressed regarding Fortus are specific to his technical ability. Im sure he's an extremley competent player

I worry that he'll have the right 'feel' for GNR (yes I know Axl said he has great feel - he'd hardly say the contrary though would he?)
Am I referring to Nsync? Not specifically, although i'll admit this does nothing for my belief in him being a suitable candidate for GNR.
I dunno, the guy looks like he's acting the part rather than just being the part....

I could be wrong - I hope so

Fortus had alot of trouble with the NR solo as well. He's a good guitarist but neither guy can play the old material well enough to satisfy the diehard fans of the old band. I believe it is not asking too much for these guys to get the old stuff right.

Well, your problem comes from what you "Want" the new band to be. The whole feel of GNR, you can't talk about that, you haven't heard but 5 or 6 tracks, and richard sounds great on those doesn't he?

Axl's making the music, he's a motherfucking perfectionist, why would you doubt who he picked would have the right 'feel'

I'm a fan who never needs to hear the old songs live again. So I really could care less whether or not he learns how to play the songs note by note or plays them as he interprets them listening to them off the albums. You sit there and analyze every note of the 2002 shows - if you go back and do the same thing to Slash, you'll see him fuck up a hell of a lot. And no one ever brings up Izzy in this - remember the stories about them having to turn his amps down cuz he was so fucked up he sucked hardcore? At least Richard is sober enough to get his amps left on.

You most certainly are wrong. Richard is THE perfect fit for GNR. His writing ability is awesome and his playing is excellent. He is what GNR always should have had, being a great rythm guitarist. Guns was always lacking the great rythm guitar.

I agree entirely
They both made a dogs breakfast of many of those essential parts.

And thats not to say they have to play the parts exactly as Slash did - not at all.

Take the way Bucket approached them, didnt sound anything like Slash, but he made damn sure that what he played resembled it in part and sounded good.

Finck however, simply made a lot of mistakes. Be it bending notes too far to playing in the wrong mode/scale/key, to fumbling his fingering - that really isnt acceptable in my view.

But like I said before, Im sure he'll play his own material well and he should leave those Slash solos well alone

So when you listen to for instance the SCOM solo from Pittsburgh, you don't think that kicks ass? Record a .wav file of slash doing it at tokyo 1992, and then one of robin from pitt, and go out and find ten people who aren't die hards like us and play it for them, and see how many of them think robin is slaughtering it

Im going to give you the benefit of the doubt there and assume you mean Guns was always lacking a great rhythm player post 91 right?
Because if you dont think Izzy was a great rhythm player I have considerable problems accepting youre a fan of GNR Im afraid.

Guns, like many genres of music including punk, jazz and countless others, was about more than just the music. Of course the music is the most important part, but the spirit of Guns was always an outlaw/outsider spirit. That is what i worry about with Richard..

As far as what rainX said about turning Izzys amps down - I imagine this was on the Illusions tour after Izzy had left that this was stated? There was alot of Izzy bashing going on then (not exclusively Axl either, alot was Slash and Duff too)

I always found that petty sounding and not a little bit bitter as well.
Izzy was a great rhythm player - his interplay with Slash during Appetite era is amongst some of the greatest guitar interplay youre likely to hear.

Im sorry rainX, you are never going to convince me that Robin plays Slash's parts particularly well and youre certainly never going to convince me he plays them better? :hihi:

That is amongst the most ludicrous suggestions ive ever heard

Lets look at studio then (where it really counts according to the starter of this thread)
Slashs studio solo of SCOM vs Fincks? Lets take that to 10 non diehards? I think thats probably a better comparison

where did i suggest he plays it better?

or are you just being a dick and putting words in my mouth?

I agree, I've never "bought" Fortus, I found his stage presence in '02 a bit less than cool. ?

As for Finck, I've always dug him. ?His presence in the band brought me back to GNR, I like his loose approach and am looking forward to hearing if he's got the creative chops as well.

some of you really need to get over the "most dangerous band in the world" thing, and grow the fuck up.

stop living in the late 80s and early 90s and understand it's an entirely different world. all that fucking matters is the quality of the music, if you've been waiting this long for 5 guys to come out looking like shit and like they are high on drugs, why don't you just go to a VR show?

hey, no need to get defensive? cause you end up sounding like a dick ok?
you suggested that I listen and compare to 2 interpretations of a solo by Slash and Finck and you implied by saying Finck 'slaughters' it or words to that effect, that Fincks is better.

Is that not a reasonable conclusion to come to? If not, ?I take the claim back, but I really cant see how it could be taken any other way at this point

 :hihi: :hihi:

I think the whole thrust of what's been said over the last few pages got kind of lost on you huh?

"slaughter" it would mean make it terrible to me. Meaning that when people heard it, they wouldn't think he was "slaughtering" or "killing" or "sucking at it"

fair enough then. I accept that

 : ok:

Unfotunately Axl is selling this as the new Guns N Roses; as a result, they will be asked to play the old songs, and play them well. Slash did have his share of bad shows, but he also was involved in some of the most heroic performances ever witness. In addition, he is the author of some truly incredible licks and solos. Some of the best ever recorded. Big shoes to fill.

Bucket was a great contributor to the new band because he clearly demonstrated the ability to emulate the sound of his predecessor but also, in mnay cases, take it a step futher.  While in GnR, Finck has been very uneven in the lead; sometimes he has tremendous energy and precision; other times he bends the hell of his strings to the point where the song has sped past his solo without the solo. I just don't care for his attitude regarding this old material, especially since there is such division in the community as to whether this band should even exist.

those who feel it shouldn't exist, have that right.. but then it should not matter.    If you feel it shouldn't exist, then leave it alone and go listen to velvet revolver or whatever the fuck you get into these days.
 
anyways, Finck is an awesome guitarist.  I was more impressed with him then I was with buckethead when I saw the band in Pittsburgh on Nov 22, 2002.   He did not miss a note that night.  The best response he got from the crowd was actually from SCOM.  I was so skeptical of going to a GNR show at the time with Axl and a different band, but that night really changed my mind.  I went home and put on the tokyo illusions dvd that night and me and my buddy just looked at each other when they started playin Mr. Brownstone and we were like, "yea.. what we just saw a few hours ago was so much better'  ;D

And to whoever said Fortus doesn't fit in the band obviously hasn't seen the band or seen Fortus play.  In fact, if anyone from this lineup would fit in the old band, it would be him.  So i would figure he would appeal to a lot of the older fans.   He is a great rhythm guitarist, and he's a great lead guitarist.   Say what you want about who he may have recorded for.. he was a session musican and he needs to eat just like the rest of us.   You can't knock him for that.. and Axl saw something in him and brought him on.. and Axl isn't going to bring just any shmuck off the street into Guns N' Fuckin Roses.

If i wanted to go see Slash, I'd go see Velvet Revolver.   If you are a fan of GNR today, you would have accepted that by now, he's been out of the band for almost 10 years now  :-\   and if someone isn't a fan of it, i dont really understand why they would be on a gnr board.

I think you are telling the wrong person to turn on the VR record. I hear what you are saying but since this band is called GnR, they should play the old songs much better than I heard.

I guess its all a matter of opinion.  I think they play it perfectly fine.. and honestly, songs like Rocket Queen, Mr brownstone, Nightrain, Live and let Die... those songs all sound better.   

Cuz the NIN guitar parts are soooooo complicated.  ::)

Like that song hurt, man, you have to be some kinda crazy guitarist to pull that one off  :rofl:

who cares if the guitar parts are complicated to play ?

i don't need Guns N'Malmsteen.

if you don't like the new musicians in Guns N'Roses, go buy the new bon jovi's LP and some vintage cowboy boots.

Uh, he brought Paul Huge in...

Holy dude, chill

I'm just saying playing NIN tunes is alot easier than playing GnR tunes, hence NIN is easier to pull off live, [if you fuck up Hurt you should take up a new career, ya know what i mean? (prolly not)], and the only musician i have issues with in Nu-GnR is Robin. and the only issues with him are is his guitar skills are average at best. And I'll buy the album when it's released whether Robin, Bucket, or fucking Kenny G :hihi: are playing on the fucking thing. so go to hell

And besides if I were to buy an album right now, I'd prolly go for Def Leppard - Rock of Ages rather than Bon Jovi's new album  :P

Robin should just be more Rock n' Roll, and, even if he will never be slash, at least he will be less bashed in the futur.
GN'R is neither NIN nor MM, Ministry or slipknot. The style is completely different, the audience is totally different, the fans want to hear completely different music that what he used to play in NIN, so he'd better adapt to the GN'R situation and be...yeah...more "Rock n' Roll". Tommy and Richard understood that, they played the way the GN'R music should be played, and I never heard people bashing them or complaining about them. Even better, most of people (even the Old Fans) seem satisfied. You see, it's not that complicated not to be a weirdo. Stay simple.
The ball is into Robin's hands.

Are you talking about his appearance? Cuz i could care less what he looks like (and i am an "old fan" :nervous:  :hihi: )(although his garb was out of place, hell even Pittman dressed in a jean jacket and ripped jeans with a mullet :hihi: in toronto). I just felt that the songs didn't need to be changed and the way he played them was different to how they should sound. Whether that is his "style" or "Sound" or what-the-fuck-ever. Don't take awesome, perfect songs and change them, When I go to see Guns n' Roses, I want to hear Guns n' fuckin' Roses songs done the way i know them, I don't want the "For Finck's Sakes" mix ya know? I don't think that is an unreasonable request. I mean Robin's been in GnR for how long? since '97? he should be able to play any gnr song in the dark with his eyes closed and the guitar strung upside down by now, and it should still sound identical to the cd when he plays it. shouldn't it? I mean that should be part of his "job", to play the old stuff perfectly. I never bash Richard and Tommy cuz they didn't fuck up the old songs (or change things, whatever)

That being said toronto 2002 was probably still the best concert i have ever seen. and if they come around again I'm goin'. : ok:

Why the hell does appearance mean so much to you? I mean come on you can't be that shallow can you? This bashing Robin because he doesn't fit you're preception of what rock n roll is, is bogus. Learn to think outside the box and don't get roped into bullshit sterotypes.  : ok:

I don't know if this was already brought up, because i didn't have the energy to read this whole thread.

It's not a case of robin missing notes......... I know Slash used to miss parts and generally play the wrong notes here and there in solo's. But my issue with Robin is alot of the Old Solo's are being played in a different key from the rest of the song. That is not a case of him adding his own touch to the solo and seperating himself from Slash, that is him skipping the musical theory section of his guitar lessons... when soloing over something you tend to try and do it in the same key as the piece you are soloing over, anything other than that is just plain wrong....... I think that is acctually the reason why Izzy's amp got shut off (see Boston 02 Rant)

That's a fine point JARMO but on the flip side Robin signed a deal to be in a tour where for him it would be basically doing GNR covers (minus a few new songs).  Until CD is released there is really nothing to judge him on.  So far, his riffs in the new songs are decent, but are they as memorable as the ones in Paradise City, WTTJ, SCOM, YCBM etc, I don't think so!  But who knows?  Mabey if CD were to see the light of day Robin can prove me wrong.  Hell, I hope so.  As far as how Robin plays the old material, that is pointless to me. 

 :rofl: Dude, I was watching RIR3 for the first time in about a year today and that guy was a total waste of stagespace. Axl stands amazed before Mr.Huge as he can amazingly strum an open chord during Chinese Democray.

Buckethead used the opportunity to shine. I really thought he was a fine successor to Slash.

Since I heard the new versions, I have come to have better opinions of those tunes. To be fair, that's not the case with Paradise city, SCOM or WTTJ.

Robins guitar is original. No one can play like him.  :P
His "sloppiness" can be both his strong point and the weak point.
"Sloppy :'("
it sounds as if it reflects the singer's inner feeling the words can't describe, which is delicate and complicated.

Like yagami said,
IMO Slashs guitar is now too rough n overbearing for the Chinese Democratic GN'R.

For sure, no offense to Paul but he's the living definition of "shmuck off the street ".

Agreed

Finck is a decent and humble human being and is also a very talented guitarist

Robin did an awesome job with sossego. For all we know he was bored with playing the old gnr songs. Yes he screwed up the blues solo near the end sometimes but most times he always played the new songs riffs and solos very well.

Sossego was great.

Any guitarists minus besides Slash probably will get ripped by the masses.  That is because Slash's guitar and Axl's singing were such a powerful combination.  Their previous work will be really hard to top.

I haven't hear a lot of fink but he sounds quite great for GNR even though he came from NIN (I don't like too much the industrial music), but he can make GNR to take a new direction (in a good way), I hope that Brian May one day joins stage with GNR now that would be blast  :peace:

  slash,slash,slash   thats what everone is bitchin about....really.they are just mad he is out.  but after all the lawsuits and backstabbin shit.....i dont want him back. i love his work,but FUCK slash.  no matter what happens,everyone will always bitch about this band.  WELL I WANT THIS BAND.  and you fuckin haters all wonder why we get no updates and shit....TAKE A GUESS DUMBFUCKS.  its because of all the so called fans doubting all AXLS decisions.  it doesnt matter ....if axl made a press release saying the old band was gettin back together, THEN ALL THE HATERS WOULD BITCH THAT THEY NEVER GOT TO HEAR THE NEW GUYS.   JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LEAVE IF U DONT LIKE THIS BAND. WE DONT WANT YOU HERE ANYWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  axl makes all the decisions....so fucking deal with it.  HE IS THE MUSICAL GENIOUS, I TRUST HIS DECISION.  IF YOU PEOPLE ARE SO BRILLIANT AT KNOWING MUSIC ....WHY HAVENT I HEARD YOUR STUFF???????????FUCK ALL THE HATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't care about Slash; personally, the loss of Bucket affected me more.

agreed.

Robin Finck RUles!! :peace:

Same here. "sloppy  :'( "
BGM IRS ah....ah with the robin solo (yay, Robin Finck rules!! : ok:)

I agree Bh was? ahuge loss but if he says on the? album which it seems he is, then ill be happy

Here is robin playing sossego at rio. I think he kicks ass on it. IF he can play like this all the time then gnr will be fine.
Plus he is singing at the same time something he is not used to besides backing vocals.

http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=37YGUUTSO4MXA1YQ394XVTZQQI

Yeah! Love the song! Robin sure is great! And im happy he is still hanging in there! Im sure he has contrbuted alot in the writing process!
 Take IRS! He plays with so much feeling! Like Slash did, but in another way! Bend it like Robin!!

If only for lack of our information. He may not be.

Axl doesn't seem to be the type to want to include contributions from someone who  he beleived leetchef off of the GNR name. Not on the defining album of the past 14+ active years of his career.