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question about sales


How do you think a new album (cd) billed as a long awaited gnr album would do vs an axl rose album alone?

What would be the difference in opening week sales??

I say an axl rose only album without the name sells about 250,000-300,000.. Long awaited gnr album sells about 450,000-500,000 opening week..

and yes we all know axl is gnr but just give me your opinions on how the two would differ in sales with the same exact person behind the band..

it could go like david lee roth solo from van halen or great like ozzy minus black sabbath..

I don't know.

Concerning Chinese Democracy, I wouldn't be surprised if it sells 800-900K the 1st week in the US. But 400-500k may be more realistic. You know, when the MSG is sold out within 15 minutes, it means you are still very popular. And with the Greatest Hits success, GN'R is twice more popular now than in 2002, meaning the sales have much more potencials now than in 2002. I'm sure CD will do great on charts and could be a worldwide phenomenon. It can't fail with songs as great as The blues and Madagascar...that's impossible. IRS also seems to be a killer Rock track...and it's not even in the Top 10! The feedback will be glorious.

I have a fantastic feeling concerning CD.

No question a gnr album would do great now.. Even without the singles being known..

So how do you think the difference in billing would affect album sales..?? I think 800k is possible, but that depends on the promotion... To me the buzz of a new long awaited gnr album alone with no singles yet would bring in several 100 thousands..

axl rose vs gnr's long awaited album..

Greatest Hits success + New York Times article + Q article + press mentions very often + VMA'02 (people still talk about it 3 years after) + 2002 European and US tour + RIR 3 + RIR 5 (let's hope) + the blues and madagascar + Axl in GTA-San andreas (and a GN'R soundtrack) + VR + all the mystery around the album over the years = a lot of Buzz---> high sales.

there will be that much hype when GnR finally announce a release date that it will sell huge, i expect records to be broken....

I'm sure it will sell a huge amount of album.. First album or original music since the illusions.. That is a very long time..

So how do you think a gnr album would sell compared to an axl rose solo album??

nobody knows. that's not the case so I don't think people think about that :P

I think when the record is out, HTGH and MYGNR message boards will explode. I think Jarmo and the Mods will have a lot of work! ;D
the MYGNR board exploded 3 times when IRS surfaced...3 times, for just one song! :o
The press will also talk a lot about Chinese Democracy. special issues will appear. It will be huge.

TOMMY described it very well: When the album is released, it will be "the chaos".
I think, exept U2, there won't be anything as big as GN'R once the album is out.

I don't believe an Axl Rose solo whould sell a lot. None of the former members in the past sold a lot with their solo efforts.

so then do you believe it's the gnr name that is carrying all the weight for wether the album fails or not? Also do you feel axl's album will get extra press because it has such a dinamic name to go with it.. Will the success come from what's on the album, or by the name on it..?

I'd have to say the name Axl is Guns N Roses plus Chinese Democracy, your talking about the power house country, the leaders in manufactoring, the next Big thing. So Shoot, I think he'd sell  more or just as much just with his name, AXL ROSE ( CHINESE DEMOCRACY ) 8)   

An album under the name Axl Pose would not do as well as a GnR album, its an obvious answer so why ask anyway?

But AXL ROSE would.

I asked how you think it would do in comparison to a gnr album... Axl rose is gnr so I wanted to see how people felt.. He is gnr so his name axl rose should sell tons of albums..


give two opening week predictions,,,,?

in juridic term, yes. in reality, No.

under the GNR name it would do alot better sales wise, i mean everyone knows who GNR were, and that name carries alot more selling power than the name Axl Rose

taking myself for example, im only intrested in what axls doin cos he still carries the GNR name, if he didnt then i wouldnt be rushing out to buy his album, even if it was the same content, its just that the name GNR means sumtin to me

so basically a loyalty to the gnr name and the idea of whatever has it's name on it seeing it do well?

I also have a desire to see anything with gnr on it do good, and I also like to collect gnr related stuff..

Axl rose album would definetly interest me because he did lead gnr my favorite band..
It's weird with me I buy very little new music.. I feel not as excited to buy an axl rose album these days.. I sit around more and think about how great gnr was and how many great years of touring and releasing albums axl has wasted... That's just me though, some are satisfied with waiting countless years..

i would get the axl album at some stage, but i wouldnt rush out to do it

im just taking irealnd as an example, GH went straight to number 1 here for 7 weeks and then went back to number1 a few weeks later

a lot of my mates bought it cos they knew guns had a lot of good songs, but theres no way theyd have bought an axl rose album, it just wouldnt appeal to them

ppl that have solo stuff after been successful in a band never do aswell, even if the material is better

axl rose just isnt as big a pull to the general public as GNR

I hear you loud and clear man..

I think the general public would not support an Axl Rose solo album as much as a GNR album.  Based on the fact that alot of the general public still think of Axl as the tantrum throwing rock star from the early nineties.

Agree  : ok:

To all of you, listen to that http://s24.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0UFSIYY9JJ6I1N87C9RB15HEE
When the record is out then... "I'll be there!" ;)

nesquick, who said that ? was it supost ta be Axl?

Actually, it is Axl`s voice there, as Jonhie Nigthmare Smth in the St. Andreas game!!!


Rock on  : ok:

Pretty much the same here as some of the other posters in this thread, I would not rush out to buy an axl rose album, Guess I just support the name then :yes:

Id most definately buy the album regardless if its Axl Roses's solo record, a GnR record, or a blank cd with zero coverart. Ive been following both Axl and Tommy Stinson on this strange, mystical journey we call the wait for "the album", so to me it dont matter as long as our favorite redhead is ballz to tha wallz screaming his lungs out on top of some pretty awesome musicianship.

I beg to differ only because of what has been going on for the past 6 or more years.. If axl just popped out of the blue working on an album I wouldn't run out to get it, but with the amount of time I have waited for cd even if it was an axl only album I would be there pretty quick to purchase it... But it being a guns n roses record makes me want to buy it even more even though it is an axl rose record..

Interesting question. A good history lesson concerning such a scenario is the Roth/Van Halen albums of 85/86. Roth released 'Eat Em and Smile' around the same time as VH's '5150'. While Roth got more media attention and some MTV airplay with 'Yankee Rose', VH's 5150 actually sold more than Roth's solo album. Up against all the media hype of Roth, Van Halen went against the odds and outsold Roth's hype. So this proves band name recognition will win no matter what the media tries shoving down our throats. I believe an Axl solo album would be similar to Roth. MTV would love him for awhile, give his videos a chance, but they will also start wondering, "Where is that huge fanbase he's supposed to have?" This is what killed Roth's career. For over 20 years, people wished for Roth to do albums with VH, but also allowed his career to go down the toilet by not supporting his solo work. I think a GNR CD has the potential to sell a million or more copies its first week of release. An Axl Rose CD flops its first week, selling between 20,000 and 50,000 copies. Axl knows this is true, which is why he'll fight to the death to keep the GNR name.

Y would anyone even think Axl rose would release a solo album.   I mean Its just not gonna happen.  Think about it very hard if u need to, but u shouldnt have too.

I had mentioned vh n roth.... His career went right down, the established huge name (vh) prevailed.. I don't know he may get somewhat luckier like ozzy did alone..

So your saying that the gnr fanbase is not gonna go out and buy the album?

younggunner, read the post again. I was talking about an Axl solo album scenario. Take the GNR name out of the equation, and Axl becomes David Lee Roth. Mike, I think its too late for an Ozzy type resurrection. If Axl had done something in the mid-late 90's, I think it could have been possible. Axl could have done a mediocre album or two, and his career could have recovered by doing a great album. Now he has one shot at redemption. Let's hope he doesn't blow it.

I know what your saying. And Im saying you dont think that the gnr fnabase would buy an Axl Rose solo album?

Why do you people care so much about this acceptance and ressurection? Axl is doing his own thing. He obiviously isnt worried about being accepted right now or pissed off that he has "blown his oppurtunities", etc. He had other stuff to deal with first. He'll release the stuff when its done and hes ready.

He doesnt have any desire to give u below average albums and use his name and the band name. He wants to give you something. SOmething that you will be able to listen to for a long time.

So far by the sounds of it...he wont  ;)

youngunner, the only people who would buy an Axl solo album would be people who post at all the forums, and maybe a few old fans who are intrigued by it. The GNR name holds alot of power and mystique. Mention GNR to anyone, and they will say stuff like 'GNR kicks ass!', 'Damn they were a great band', or 'I wish they were still around'. Mention Axl's name and you'll hear stuff like, 'what an asshole'!, 'that guy's a prick', 'what a freak!', or 'I paid 80 bucks to see him and he didnt show'. Big difference, and it would definitely show concerning album sales.  The reason people care about acceptance is this: If he's embraced by the world, you will more than likely get several albums and the one in a million chance at a reunion in the future. If he isn't accepted, Chinese Democracy is the final trainwreck and you will never hear from him again.

   I just got done posting on another thread agreeing with younggunner and disagreeing with jameslofton...on this thread, I'm going with jameslofton.  Nice analogy with Diamond Dave.  James is right, Axl isn't a stupid man.  The GNR name carries alot of weight, as demonstrated by the poorly put together GH album's success.  Axl owns the rights, and that's all there is to it.  If he wants to employ 10 dancing midgets (ala Spinal Tap) in a re-make of Stonehenge, that's his prerogative!  Obviously, from what we've heard, IRS and CD will blow minds in the hard rock world, while Maddy gives them a more mainstream rocker like Green Day's Boulevard of B.D., and The Blues gives them a Patience/Don't Cry commercial hit.  And just think, these aren't even the big guns!  Don't worry, Chinese Democracy will be released by the band Guns N' Roses (Axl, Tommy, Robin, Richard, Brain, and Dizzy) sit back and enjoy the wait!   :love:

A GNR album would  start fast, but it depends on the content. If the content is good, a la Blues, Maddy, Chinese Democracy, IRS, then the sales  will build. If the content sucks, a  la OMG. Rhiad, Silk Worms, then sales will resemble the Titanic.

I share your optomisim, but feels like I`ve been sitting back enjoying the wait for 6 years now.........

Last tour sold fairly well despite not having an album. So with a well recieved album and promo he would still be selling out arenas.

And whos responsible for that mystique?

now when the album comes out they will either still say that or dig the music. Who cares if peopel think Axl is an asshole. Peopel though he was an asshole back in the day too. That didnt prohibit him or th eband from being the best in the world.


Im not saying using the name doesnt benefit. Of course it does. It will help the sales. But the same peopel that buy the album in the first few weeks are gonna be the same people who would have bought it if it was called something else.
Why is any1 buying this album whether its called gnr or not. Because they wanna see what Axl, the selfish, techno crazed prick is up to and why he "broke" the old band up or because its guns n roses so they want to hear it.even though the guys they know and love will not be on the album.

The name will help but ultimately this album will thrive or fail on the music alone. You cant have your cake and eat it too. You cant say o the gnr name will be the reason why the album does well  but then say if it bombs its because the music sux and its Axl. Fuk that.

You people fail to realize that a lot has changed since GNr was tearing it up. When CD drops and if its good they will pick up new fans. kids, and or peopel who never were into old gnr for whatveevr reason. Then what s the excuse then? The name? hell no...the music.  SOme kid is gonna fall in love with a Robin solo or Brains drumming. And they will not care about the drama of the old vs new shit. They will not have any allegiance towards Axl or Slash when hearing that album. Its a whole new world.

As for the old time gnr fans. You just cant realize that Axl is bigger than Slash or Duff. He just is. That doesnt mean anything in terms of music but in terms of getting attention and curiosity hes the drawing card of the bunch. The gnr name helps but if the roles were reversed Slash and or Duff would not be getting this same attention or mystique from the people here today. And thats not a diss. Its just that Axl is a primadonna frontman who is gonna knock ur panties off when you hear this album...and what a day thats goin to be

nice post YG. I agree with most of what you said there

james man that statement really hits how a lot of people who caught the great gnr back in the day.. That has been said I don't know homw many countless times from people I meet at various job sites and many friends today.. There;s still people that went to see one gnr show back in the day and a lot of blame was on axl for being super late. We know as fans about the lateness but take someone who saw gnr for the first time, they think it's flat out rude.. But you definetly have the positive for the gnr name and the flip side for axl..

ant, I think the gnr fan base compared to the axl rose fan abse is so different now.. This is just taking a stab at it.. I think the gnr fan base just by the name is from really young kids to the people that saw them when afd came out..  Axl rose these days doesn't have the weight behind him.. For everyone that knows gnr some don't know who axl rose is.. It is quite trendy these days to like old bands, but it doesn't mean you need to know the lead singer's name to have a gnr album or two in your cd collection..

I fel 1 out of 2 know who gnr is or have at least heard of the name, but maybe 1 out of 5 regular people(if that) know who axl rose is.. Now take this same poll in 92 and it would pretty much be even. Axl's fan base will definetly buy an axl rose solo album, the trouble is how big is that axl rose fan base these days??

I like several bands out there but I couldn't name the lead singer, but the band name I would know right away..

Here is a quote from Al Jardine, the ex Beach Boys member

Q: You're no longer leading the Beach Boys Family & Friends band?

A: Not anymore. Mike Love put the screws to that. I'm not allowed to use the Beach Boys name in any form.

Q: You tour with your sons, Matt and Adam, right?

A: Yeah, with our Endless Summer Band. The Beach Boys name is far more valuable though. You could put a band of orangutans on a stage with that name and you'd have promoters selling out tickets everywhere.


As Al states the Beach Boys name is very important regardless how many old members are in it. I think Axl and GNR are also linked in this way.

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And thats exactely my point. If young kids dont know or dont care about the old gnr situation what would make them go out and buy the album otherwise? The music, the singles!. If Axl doesnt have any pull then who cares what name hes using?

If Axl doesnt mean much these days why would people go out and buy a guns n roses record?Explain that to me.


The old time gnr fan who knows the whole gnr situation will buy this album. Unless they absolutely are 10000% hardcore against him for doin what hes doing. Other than that all the old fans are gonna check it out.

No new lead singer today comes close to the popularity and status Axl and GNr achieved back in the day. You know why you dont know lead singers names? Because there all garbage aside from a cool song here and there or maybe if ur lucky an album.
Axl was the last real primadonna rockstar. People new him. peopel loved him. people hated him. Theres a huge difference between Axl Rose and the lead singer from MY Chemical ROmance or whatvever is popular right now.

An Axl ROse solo album is still bigger than a SLash solo album unless the band is still together. If the old band were still together and Axl did his own little project of course it wouldnt have the mystique and curiosiuty CD has today. No SHit. But being that the band IS BROKEN UP, and the majority of the peopel know that, and the majority of the peopel know that it has been 1 major delay...CD is bigger than all that. People wanna know why. What the hell is he up to.

Whether they wanna see him achieve or fall flat on his fcae they are gonna check it out. And then when some kid from Madagascar or Idaho hears the new single on the radio and thinks its the greatest thing goin he will go buy the album and be a NEW gnr fan. He will go into this without any allegiances or biasis. Just in it for the music he has heard.

Then if hes smart he will check out the old material. And then he will be able to have heard 2 great eras of mucis. Wth 1 common denominator? ;)

My thing was we or most of us feel axl is gnr.. I never said axl doesn't have any pull I just said the gnr name has the pull.. So the name use to sell albums and book shows is what makes all the difference.. When I started this topic I was asking the forum bros n sisters how they feel an album would sell between it billed as gnr or axl's project??

As I said a lot of people feel axl is gnr, but even though without using the gnr name an axl rose project wouldn't sell that much in comparison.. So to me the gnr name is more important then any individual member of the band sales wise.. If he did something like a solo project in say 92 it might have went triple platinum because he had world notiriety.. Now it's like you have the people from late 20's to 40's that know axl but how many still buy tons of music?? I sure as hell know I bought tons when I was in HS but now it's rare because I have a great collection of music..

I never said axl doesn't mean anything these days.. It's just the gnr name brings people out.. people that would pick up a new gnr album might not pick up an axl rose album.. it's something about people and established names..

years back wouldn't you think a van halen david lee roth album would both do good..? people still bought tons of vh with sammy but dlr suffered as a solo artist big time..

that last quote speaks volumes of what I am saying, it's weird but the name is what carries the weight not always the members..

I think an Axl Rose CD would sell 100,000-150,000 on the first week, but it'll be a miracle if it sells more than 1-1,5 million in its first year (or till the Doom's Day). But a Guns N' Roses album with Axl Rose and other guys (who aren't Slash) will sell 500,000- 1 million on the first week, 1,5-2 million in its first month and at least 3-5 million in its first year. It's the difference. If the album is great, Axl can be a huge star again with using (milking) the Guns N' Roses brand. But under his own name he could never be a huge star again. Not because he's not talwnted just because people want to have Guns N' Roses albums and not Axl Rose albums.

little in the year 2000 refrence from conan :hihi:

I agree you are saying a lot of how I feel...

people just love the big name, they want to say I saw gnr live.. Rather then say I saw the axl rose project even though in so many words this is an axl rose project..

Fuck james hetfield could do a solo project but it would never sell out each show like a metallica concert..

Axl has the unlimited time and bankroll because he owns the gnr name.. That's why he has free range and they are patient with him.. Without the gnr name the people wouldn't feel as confident and he would have to provide them with something quicker, plus he would have to really do some promo to get his name out there today.. On the flip side all he has to do is say the new gnr album that's long awaited is coming out..

Does anyone really care about tommy lee's solo projects or vince neil's projects?? But fucking people will sell out the arenas in no time to see motley crue.. There is something about the guys together contributing.. Now this isn't about how good the music is, it's about people want to see those famous bands or at least their famous names..

people buy calvin kline jeans for a lot of money, or prada.. Why not just buy the same jeans or bag cheaper??

This is one of the dumbest things Ive ever read. If an Axl Rose solo album consists of no names and a new GNR album consist of Axl Rose and no names what the fuck is the Difference?
Your really making a mockery of people and thier intelligence with a post liek that. So because it says GNR on the front your telling me that people will buy it anyways. EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW THAT ITS NOT OLD GNR. BUT THIER LITTLE GIRLS AND NEED TO HAVE A GNR ALBUM? I cant stop laughing.

If Metallica broke up when they were big and Hetfield went away for a few yrs and decided to come back he sure as hell could.

Whats the difference between  A GnR album with Axl and the new band and an Axl solo album with Axl and the new band?

Axl milking the name? Milking the name would mean Axl would have released a few albums by now. Not really caring about anything other than using the name for his musical vision. Yet Axl wont release anything until hes ready and feels the material stands up to what the name means.

You peopel really need to come up with something else. No doubt the gnr name will help. It is a known name. BUT ITS IS ALSO KNOWN THAT THE OLD MEMBERS ARENT IN THE BAND. THEY HAVE THIER OWN BAND. IT IS KNOWN THAT ITS A COMPLETE NEW BAND. SO WHAT THE HELL DOES THE NAME MEAN NOW? OTHER THAN IT WAS A BAND BACK IN THE DAY WHO WAS HUGE BUT DOESNT HAVE ANY OF THE ORIGNAL MEMBERS EXCEPT 1. I just dont get it.

This isnt sports where u more than usually root for the team not the players. In music what attracts you to a band is the peopel in it. The music that is made from it not the NAME.

Your missing the dam point. Your not telling the whole story. This isnt any ordianry solo project or situation. In case you misse dit...

GNr left the music scene with world in their hands. Bam, gone no more. The players that were are gone. The story is well known. This isnt an ordinary solo project.Big difference between that and a oridanry solo album.

The best way to relate i to todays music worl is lets say Eminem or some other rapper had a band. And he and that band were equally big. Then the band goes away right now when that band and genre is huge. The band brakes up but jayz keeps the name. He goes mia for a decade. He would have a shitload of interest a decade from now because people are gonna wonder why, what is he up to. Name or not. They know that it will be a completely different band.
So there are only 2 things that will make them get an album. 1} the member that is left 2} the music is good....

thats it its not that fukin hard to figure out

You have to be kidding me, and that will be the excuse people like you have when CD sells very well. You will claim its just? because of the name and not how good it is. With people like you and a few others? you will never give axl credit. You love to claim how slash was such a big part of gnr yet his solo album snake pit bombed big time.

Axl could have a different band name and it will still sell millions. The gnr name will help out in sales but people like you talk outside both of your mouths.

I'm afraid you are the dumbest guy on Earth if you can't realize the power of the Guns N' Roses name comparing even to the good Axl Rose brand. A lot of people will buy it cause they won't know that it's only Axl's solo project. A lot of other people will buy it because the 'long-awaited Guns N' Roses album' will create more buzz than a 'first solo album of the ex-Guns N' Roses frontman Axl Rose' promo. BTW a lot more people would buy it if it had at least Slash or Izzy on it and not only Axl.


Dave, I know you have serious problems with reading, so...

If CD sells 3 millions than I will think that it was crap or mediocre at best since the Guns N' Roses name itself would sell that quantity.

If CD sells like 5 millions or even more then I will admit that it is a popular album.

If CD sells 7-8 millions then I will admit that it's a huge success.

If CD sells only 10 copies but I will love it then i won't care about the sales and I will say it's a masterpiece. (Like I think that 5 O'clock is a masterpiece.) If I like it better than AFD or anything I will admit that. I'm not such a fanboy like you or YG who doesn't like something just because 'Slash made it' or 'An ex-member without Axl made it'.

BTW Slash was a huge part of Guns N' Roses. Who thinks (or tells) the opposite is fuckin' crazy.

How will they not know? The GNr situation is widely known. And will be known when promo begins for the album. Unless you live in a box, theyll know. You still havnt answered my question. Why would some1 buy the album if they already know the gnr situation? Just to have a gnr album? makes no sense. They will be buying it because of Axl, the curiosity,and because of the quality of the new material.

no1 is trying to dfeny that. But hes doesnt have the drawing power that Axl has. Axl is the lead singer. naturally he gets more of the attention. Again if the roles were reversed there wouldnt be the same amount of curiosity that there is here.

Actually most people buy 3 Levis for the price of 1 cK. (BTW, cK underwear is good)
Majority carry no brand bags and no prada.

Only the brand fanatics buy stuff for the brand name. people look for better quality, design and price. The name may guarantee those requirements to some extinct but that's that. sold of a price, products are judged by the quality and the design.
The same is true with music.

Yeah,
People seem to care Rage against machine or Foo fighters.

As far as I know, The name Axl Rose alone is almost as notorious as GN'R.
I guess solo project is not Axl's bag either. Apparently He's a great leader and a collaborator.

It will sell more than an "axl rose solo album" but less than a real Guns n' Roses album with Slash.
I hope big sales, but without Slash it will be very hard. It will also be very hard to fill big places without Slash when the band gets on tour.
Slash was almost 50% of the success of GN'R alone. Just his name can bring thousands people.

"The Spaghetti Incident?" was labeled with the Guns N' Roses name.
Live Era as well.

Those weren't huge successes compared to what the band put out before them.


Greatist Hits sold because it contained, hits!



/jarmo

i think a gnr album would deifnitely sell more than an axl rose solo album. even if you don`t like it, the gnr name is bigger than axl`s, which is almost as popular i guess.

by the way it doesn`t matter how the album is called and how much it sells, because if it`s a great album (IT WILL BE!!) we`ll  enjoy it wether it`s released under the gnr name or anyone else`s.


well i don`t think he could. i don`t think you can compare gnr/axl to metallica/hetfield.


first, i don`t think a "real" gnr album would sell more than chinese democracy might will and i don`t think it will be hard to fill big venues without slash. gnr sold out the msg in less than 15 minutes, without an album, without promotion and WITHOUT SLASH. it`s just an example anyway.
 slash wasn`t 50% of the success of gnr either, whereas he was and is a cool guy.

and i DON`T want to start a discussion about who?s the man that made gnr popular!

my guess is that IF gnr ever release a new album, it will sell about 200K in the opening week.

if it was the axl rose album, it would sell about 50K.

i believe the gnr name is extremely powerful.

people don't know the gnr situation like we do, the new gnr came n went.. When people hear a new gnr album is coming out they have no idea who;'s in the band unless they have been following the drama.. When oh my god was coming around I had no idea who was in the band. I was out breaking my ass I wasn't sitting online following the drama.. I just knew  a few years before the band had started to break up, for all I know they could had made up..

The gnr name will sell albums regardless of who is in the band,, people are attracted to the name..

How people can't see why a axl rose album won't sell like a gnr labled album is beyond me...

Axl can have a shit album and it will sell tons if it's billed as gnr.. The gnr name itself has a massive following..

Tell me this then why would a vince neil solo project tank, but if a motley crue tour n album will sell good?? Aren't they both fronted by the same guy..?

wrong.. TSI sold crappy because the era had changed to grunge and azxl had a crap video out there like SIDHY.. people were sick of those ballads... Live era came out in 99 during a heavy rock rap craze... Same reason oh my god was off the airwaves within a few months.. Gnr was out at those times... Release live era or tsi in 91 and it sells millions..

GH's sold well because people wanted some good music, the times have changed.. Nothing is dominating the rock scene. Just crappy emo.

If a korn album came out tomorrow it would tank, the sound is out of style, same phase gnr went through with grunge n rap rock... lets see how a 7 time platinum rocker like kid rock would do with a new album.. be lucky to go gold.. Timing is everything : ok:

what a lot of you have said is absolutely true.  Brand recognition is VERY important in any kind of marketing/sales.  The people at Interscope know this too.  It is all about a value proposition.  The name Guns N Roses is very nostalgic for many people.  A new Guns N Roses album means more to people than The Axl Rose Project or something along those lines.  It evokes emotions and memories of the old band and the good times they have associated with the music and more importantly, that name. 

Honestly, for anyone who believes that the name 'Guns N Roses' will not help Chinese Democracy's album sales has got to have a reality check.  Go to school and take a basic marketing class. 

And YoungGunner "How will they not know? The GNr situation is widely known. And will be known when promo begins for the album. Unless you live in a box, theyll know. You still havnt answered my question. Why would some1 buy the album if they already know the gnr situation? Just to have a gnr album? makes no sense. They will be buying it because of Axl, the curiosity,and because of the quality of the new material."

Wow.... just wow.  The GNR situation is not widely known.  I have a challenge for you.  Go to work, school, etc. and pick a random sample of 30 people.  It must be completely random.  Ask those people what is going on with GNR.  Do not mislead them, just ask them 'hey have you heard what is going on with GNR?'.  I guarantee you that if you are lucky 5 people will know what is going on with them.  No one knows that Buckethead left, no one knows who the make up of the band is, no one knows what the titles of the new songs are, and no one knows that GNR have a 'new' song on the End of Days soundtrack.  You have got to come back down to Earth buddy. 

As it has been stated numerous times, outside of this fan forum and other fan sites/forums, not many people know or better yet, care to know what is going on with GNR.  There are billions of people in this world, and believe it or not they are not all GNR fans and they are not all rock fans. 

Your not making sense. Of course the GNr name has a massive follwoing. Axl Rose is a big reason for that! And guess what hes still in the band.
What is the difference between a shit Axl ROse solo album and a shit axl album under gnr? WIll the people continue to buy it if its shit only because its called GN? Your not making sense.

Did you not read what I posted? This is not an ordinary solo project. Axl Rose is not an ordinary singer. The guy is a nut who is interesting. If him, or RObert Plant did the same thing Axl has done at the PINNACLE OF THEIR CAREERS it wouldnt be the smae as an ordinary run of the mill solo album.

Until you realize that you wont understand why the name doesnt mean as much as u think it does.

Its not the point of knowing whats goin on. Its the point of what is not there. And what is widely known is...what is not there...whos not there? Slash,Duff and Izzy. Any rock music fan knows this. Now whether they know who is in new gnr is besides the point.
In fact thats a benefit for this band. they are like a new band. And what will attract peopel to the band is Axl and the new music that appears not the name....

ill say it again.
Music is not sports. You dont root for the jersey. In music you become a fan because of the music and personalities of the band members. 3 of those bandmembers are gone. The only thing that remains is Axl. So if you support him you will listen to the new material. If you hear the single on the radio and u liek it u will be the album and possible become a fan of not just Axl but the other guys as well. Its not rocket science..

and i agree that the name helps. it def does. but not as much as u think in terms of music sales. more from the business end than anything else.

Fact is people will buy this album basically for 2 reasons...
1) the whole mystique curioisty factor that Axl has created
2)the music they hear.

what person goes to a record store and buys an album that they dont liek the music and hate all the members in that band. Because its the name? lol are we serious here boys n girls?

so you are telling me that Sony makes good audio and video equipment?  Yes I am telling you that people associate certain things with a name and it improves sales tremendously.  And again, if you take a marketing class you will see that it happens more often that you think it does. 

Look at all the GNR cover and tribute bands out there.  They have their band name, and then after the name it says "A tribute band to Guns N Roses" or something along those lines.  People see the name GNR, and instantly they recognize it.  I bought the Steve Jones album a while ago that Axl does backing vocals on.  Guess what?  On the wrapper it had a sticker that said 'featuring Axl Rose of Guns N Roses".  Back in the day when they were still around and fighting for recognition I bought the Vision of Disorder album Imprint which happened to have a track with Phil Enselmo of Pantera on it.  And guess what it said on the sticker??  "Featuring Phil Enselmo of Pantera".  And for the sake of getting this straight, when Down released their album Nola, guess what the big sticker on it said???  You know what, I think you may get the point. 

It helps more than you think.  It is as simple as that.  Does the music play a part in it?  Of course it does.  But I guarantee you all of those albums I named above did better than expected because of the 'featuring members of" stickers on them.  And IF Chinese Democracy is released it will sell better as a Guns N Roses album than it would if it were an Axl Rose album.  You have proof of this from 'hardcore' GNR fans in this thread!!!  They openly admit that they would either wait or not buy the new album at all if it wasnt Guns N Roses. 

Yeah, because GN'R were a popular band in 1991.

But when the band isn't popular, you can't just sell ten million copies just with the name alone.


The name GN'R will sell more and that's why you see Gilby's albums promoted as "Gilby Clarke (ex GN'R)". But it won't automatically make the album a hit album today.....




/jarmo

How many people are you going to bash in one post? Like I said people like you crack me up, no matter how well CD does people like you will have an excuse. You have proven yourself once again, thanks for proving my point.

well dave I think the best way for axl to prove his doubters is to take his new band, his new music and use a new name.. That way he can say the album sold good or bad because of how the music was, not because of what the name said.. I know this is difficult for some to comprehend, but it would be very accurate on how much axl rose and his music is in demand..

people see the name gnr they want to have it.. Dopey kids are walking around with gnr t shirts that aren't even fans, they may know a song or whatever but they are trendy and gnr and ac/dc or any bands like that are trendy.. SO just on that it shows it doesn't matter who's in the band, people just want to say I SAW GNR, I OWN A GNR ALBUM.. it's pop culture..

Saying I saw QUEEN, THE DOORS or whatever other band who lost their lead singer is the same.. people want to say they saw those bands .. Conversation pieces, seing soemthing known around the world.. Anyone can be in the band, it's the name getting asses in those seats..

people wear CBGB's shirts all the time, they visit the club, and that has nothing to do with the music there now, it's because of the reputation of the club,... people can tell their friends I went to CBGB's..

Ant I still don't think many people really know anything abou the gnr situation.. granted some do ,you have the blabbermouth n metal sludge types that read all the news but otherwise people don't know shit..  When people hear the long awaited first piece of new music since 91 they will think different things.. Some might think it's still slash n axl at least..

Bands I followed close as a teen I have no clue what form they are now.. I just hear this one or that one is coming out with an album, I auctomatically assume the guys I expect to be in the band to be there.. Not everyone loves bands so much that they follow each move n step..

Why would he do that? Axl put his heart and soul into this band called guns n roses, while izzy, duff, and slash all quit, Axl stuck it out and rebuilt it. He had the name before slash and duff so its his.  Also you really think that interscope that put 15m into the album would let Axl drop the gnr name?

When it comes down to it, who cares what the name is. Its going to be Axl without, izzy, duff and slash and we will see what can can do when the album finaly comes out.

If the album is amazing no one is going to care if slash is not in the band its that simple. Yes a few people or reviews will bash axl for it, but that is come to be expected.

Dude he is not suggesting that Axl should have done that, he is saying IF Axl truly wanted to prove all of his doubters wrong then that is the path he would have taken.  Like mike said, it would show that Axl did not hijack the name and he was still a success.  So that is the answer to your question of "Why would he do that?"  You are thinking all on emotion rather than logic.

And also, here is a tough question... do you think Interscope would have dropped 15 million if he decided from the beginning that it would not be a GNR album???  I am going with no for the same reasons discussed before. 

Just step back and see both sides for once.  I UNDERSTAND the whole "he put his heart and soul" into the band explanation and I also understand the explanation that mike gave.  I happen to agree with mike's explanation a lot more than yours.  I dont even think you understand or can comprehend what he (and many others) are saying.  If you can at least admit that you can see why mike and others (myself included) make those statements then we can put this thread to sleep. 

It really is amazing to me that there's people on here who can't/won't realize that brand names help move units no matter what the product. Did you all make it past the 2nd grade or what?  ::)

This new generation doesn't give a fuck about Axl. There's this cool website I go to that discusses all kinds of things concerning 80's,90's and this decade. I did a poll concerning Chinese Democracy. 68% didn't care about it. Axl has a steep mountain to climb. Mike makes a valid point. Do you guys know why kids are wearing GNR, Pink Floyd, and Led Zep tshirts to school? Because those shirts are $5-$10 at Walmart and Kmart. Those kids couldnt name one song from either of those bands if their lives depended on it. My cousin is one of those kids. She wears a Pink Floyd shirt to school and doesn't know one pink floyd song. So young people know the brand names, but not much else. People hearing Jungle at sporting events wont play much of a factor either. But if GNR sells exremely well to this new generation, it will be because of the GNR name, and not the name Axl Rose. If Axl wanted to sell shitloads based on himself, he should have released it in 2002 during the couple weeks the young people knew who he was. Now they dont care.

that's all I was trying to say...

james another point I was making about gnr with kids, treendy trendy trendy.. Selll record too..

War 41 same thing, good points still things I was trying to point out

And dave. There's no losers in these discussions, you just need to play both sides once in a while and understand what a lot of us are saying.. No need to run to axl's rescue

The idea is interscope wouldn't give axl 13 or 15 million for an album without knowing the gnr name was part of the deal.. That's his saviour right there, his insurance and the record companies..


  do you think everyone is like you man.. people have loyalty and resepect the members who made the best band of the past 20 years.. A lot of people are jaded n spoiled, they think every gnr album has to be this mind blowing album while everythiong axl doesn't work on is shit.. if axl did some frequent work he would have some fillers and lemons too.. I always viewed cd as the greatest album in message board member's heads.. The best album in the history of rock to never see the light of day...


dave it's called the band broke up.. just because the lead singer won't budge and makes his friends or mates try to do things his way doesn't mean he stuck anything out... You're supposed to be open to your band's ideas, not turn them so off with your own shit that they feel they are in a dictarship rather then a band.  Axl didn't stick it out, the band broke up, he's and some of the people here are just to blind to realise it.. he managaed to make a band, I give him credit but he hasn't done anything with the gnr name.. 3 week tour, two riots, mentions of cd for 6 years already, band can't tell what is what.. These guys are playing side gigs, dizzy is playing high school halftime shows.. instead if axl was a good guy the people he picked would be living high on the hog instead of doing a drum clinic, working with nena and not working with gnr.. Tommy has been in gnr how many years?? 8 years.. Does anyone even know this.. Howe much did the real gnr accomplish in that amount of time?? They only made the biggest debut album ever and were the biggest band in the world..

Great post Mike. I liked the part about CD being the greatest album in forum members heads. :D Thats the fucking truth. Before I became a member here, I used to check out this site occasionally over the years. This was the only place I ever heard about CD. The rest of the universe doesn't give a shit. During this 12 year absence, the only time Axl had the whole world's attention was the 2002 VMA's. It was the one and only time that different generations were talking about him. Kids, gangbangers, old men, drug dealers, etc. It was also the first time since 91 I had seen girls talking about Axl. And that was just in my town! I cant even imagine the response in NY or LA. Hopefully. for his sake, he can duplicate that moment in time. But this time, have a fucking album to back up the hype!

I think your the only dope walking around if you think that kids will go to a gnr show so that they can say they saw GNr or buy CD because they want to have a GNR album.

They will go to those shows because of the product that GNR delivers.

[quoteWhen people hear the long awaited first piece of new music since 91 they will think different things.. Some might think it's still slash n axl at least..another want ur cake and eat it too example


It also amazes me to see how some peopel think the majority of consumers out there are stupid. Do people in protest buy products that they are against? ?People know about the gnr situation. They know that when the album comes out IT WONT BE THE OLD BAND. If they arent happy with that notion they wont buy the album. Just like some people dont buy certain things because it contains certain ingredients...and get this...the even brighter people wont buy the album if it sux. They wont buy it because its a name brand. This isnt fukin clothing. this isnt sports. Its music.

STOP THE FUKIN PRESSES HERE COMES THE BIGGEST CONTRADICITION. HERES WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT....

So Axl is the guy who rubs peopel the wrong way because he broke up the band, is a poser, sux, yadayday etc...yet people will buy that album because...
Get a fukin life. You people are pathetic. So Axl should have USED the GNR name to sell CD when he was playing the OLD material. Um fukin A. isnt that in actuality milking the gnr name.
 I dont get how Axl can have an uphill climb yet still be able to sell records?Boggels my fukin mind.
Shut the fuk up already with this bullshit. All you people fail to realize that AXL is the drawing card here. You just cant see past your tophats. Or ur burning ciggs. It has nothing to do with the old musical contributions. We know what they mean and what they did. But in terms of popularity and curiosity...AXL TAKES THE CAKE. Leaving the world while in ur hands, going away for a decade and not giving a fuk about u, record comapnies or anything, is the reason why Axl will sell records not the name. THE NAME WILL HAVE ITS BENEFITS.
But the MUSIC will ultimately determine hwo well this band does. THE MUSIC WILL DO 4 THINGS,1) It will add to the legacy of GNr, or 2) ?it will add to the legacy of gnr. If it bombs it will raise the old material even more.
3) if its a success it will raise the status of Axl 4} it will bring Axl down some nothces.

then id hear u crying that these guys have no mucial hunger and that they are in it for the moeny

younggunner, up until your previous post, i enjoyed reading your posts and you were one of the memorable people here. Not anymore. Nothing I said was a contradiction. And if you have nothing better to do than insult me and mike, then you need to take your own advice and get a life. That shit about us not seeing past our tophats and cigs is pathetic. If you and several others would get off your knees waiting to give Axl a blowjob(unfortunately for you, he wont whip his dick out), you could look at this from reality's point of view. You need to realize that everything in the universe isn't Axl VS Slash.

lol another 1...

how come its ok for peopel around here to label others nutswingers and such all these yrs but when i say something like that u begon to shed a tear. I never see you or any1 else here take the time out and say what you said to the people who lable other posters nutswingers.

and if u really payed attention to my posts you would know that i dont think everything is axl vs slash. im not liek others around here. actually as the pasy yr or so has gfone by i dont really even care that much liek i used. this topic reheated soem thinsg though. Its just the double standards i see..its liek axl can never win. im not saying hes an angel or he deserves to win. or is the victim. but it just seems that IF he does succeeede in the future some peopel here will never give him tghe props simply because Slash and company will always be in the shadows. no matter how "successful" they are

me personally i dont care bout the old guys that much. their new music doesnt get me excited liek their old music does. but thats just me and i could careless if it works or doesnt work for u. but axl and new gnr do. they excite me and it pisses me off when i read certain stuff around here.

I doubt Axl would have received the support from the label, in terms of production costs, quality of facilities and personnel, if this were an Axl Rose solo album. If using the name and spirit of Guns N Roses allows him to spend the time, money, blood and sweat which he feels necessary to create the album that he has envisioned, to recruit the players he feels can create the necessary sound, and the production staff capable of enfusing the material with a modern edge, then let the man alone.

Judge him on his final product and not on what you think he should be doing. I trust those who work day to day on this project above those pundits who feel they know better. Forum and former band members included.

The only way the name on this record affects any of us is determining what aisle we have to walk to in the local sam goody. Get over the name issue and move on.

jesus christ man, relax.... you are acting like some rich chick who didn't get the $800 Coach purse that she wanted for Christmas. 

It is clear as day in your post that you are basing everything on emotion rather than using logic.  Your passion for Axl Rose and GNR is very evident.  Like dave, you refuse to stand back and take a look at both sides.  You choose to only see it your way and not even acknowledge the other side. 

I think its hilarious that you dont think people would go to a GNR show to say they were there.  Did you not go to school at all?  I remember in middle school all of us who got to see Natural Born Killers opening weekend were the coolest kids ever.  Some went just because there was so much hype and controversy about it.  I also know tons of people in college who went to see Dave Matthews (I hate him and no I never went) just so that they could tell people they were there and to party with their friends.  I know you are just so 'independent' that you are not interested in fitting in, but for some people it does matter.  Now I eagerly await the "oh you and your loser friends can't think for yourself" response.   

Again you mention that "people know about the GNR situation".  Well, which people know about it?  I am dying to know because I live in a city and most people I talk to about GNR laugh at the state of the band WHEN I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO THEM.  Most people have no clue of what is going on.  And yes, people DO buy things that are a name brand.  I don't know how else to even attempt to explain this to you so I implore you to educate yourself and go take a marketing class.  Please, for your sake and the sake of this message board, go take a marketing class.

And there is no need to call people out for being 'pathetic' and telling them to 'get a fukin life'.  You are getting upset over posts on a message board.  A MESSAGE BOARD.  I feel bad for anyone who has to talk to you on a daily basis in person.  Stop being so emotional and relax.  Oh wait, I forgot, your hero Axl was always a loose cannon so that means you have to be too. 

no the correct response is that the "followers" would actually be following the people who know the situation. So in reality the peopel that can make the choice by themselves are going because of what I mentioned earlier.

Well maybe dont you think that if people are cracking jokes and making fun of gnr they are implying they know the situation. or atleast have a clue. As I said earlier I know most people dont know what is going on with gnr. We barely know. But that is way different then not knowing whos NOT int the band. i could careless if they know who bucket is or if hes gone. They know that Axl is a selfish asshole and is in a band with NONE OF THE OLD MEMBERS YET HAS STILL CALLED IT GNR. That much is KNOWN..
You dont need to be taking surveys or samples. If peopel make fun of gnr they know whats goin on. and thats my point.

Yes like the millions of other music and gnr fans we cant think for ourselves so when the next gnr album comes out we will go out and buy it because its the trendy thing to do and its a household name lol...

That is funny since the day the GHs came out I was in best buy and i saw about 10 kids that were no older than 18 or 19 picking it up. I also know of kids are work that are going to be a freshman in college and are into guns n n roses.  You can spin it how ever  you want but look at the VMAs, and the ovation axl got. If im not mistaken that was one of the highest rated segements in MTV history for the Vmas, but of course that was not for axl right??  ::)

You seem to be the one getting upset at the posts that are pro Axl. The fact is like I said before no matter how well CD does you wont give Axl credit for it. You will just claim its because of the gnr name, then if it bombs you will say see Axl ruined the gnr name, so either way its a no win for axl.  The people that come here to consantly bash axl or the new band are pathetic and should get a life. You dont think they have better things to do than come to  message board and bad mouth axl all the time?

slashites suck and should go to a fuckkin VR forum and leave the real fans alone.

No group photo exists of Axl and newGNR, not even offstage. Thats troubling because Axl has to sell this as GNR and not just the Axl Rose band. Axl treats the band publicly like they are not GNR....

Stop using your vr blanket for everyone who isn't happy about these situations
do you ever say anything different.. James lofton actually doesn't like vr's work so far.. Not everyone who views the situation about the name or the delays n lies are expressing this because they live vr.. Didn't know this was a forum to speak of new gnr only..  ::)
You added nothing to this conversation except to show that if it's anything anti axl or realistic you will cry they are vr fans so they lie they should go somewhere else..
Dave man you really don't look at things from both sides... I mean do you throw on your bike shorts with bandana and light some candles before you log on and swoon to your axl posters and say to yourself "axl I got your back"?

Some can't understand why people would go see something just because it's trendy or popular in general or controversial.... People don't understand that a name can be more powerfull then the actual people who make the product/music..

Most of the conversation here is good debating, people really expressing their feelings.. All real gnr fans wether more then, then now..

War 41 makes a lot of sence.. The love for axl, the emotion prevents certain people from seeing the flip side of everything...

Relax people axl isn't taking names down and going to invite you up to sing the other part of KOHD for sticking up for him on the interweb :D let this one be LOUD

Some people act like I did when I was a kid defending axl,, we're not those people.. I have followed gnr since they started, I want an album just like you do.. I just have different views on the name, axl's ways since he came back..


dude so far from the truth, I love when others speak for me.. If none of them were doing anything now I would think thye might be working on something for axl, or they live a more private life... All I meant was they could be doing arenas n stadiums and instead thye have to do trvial things because axl can't get it out of park..

why can't you just accept things for how they are? whining and bitching about not agreeing with axl taking the name (something you've been spending years doing) is not going to convince him to drop the name.

and its not that axl can't get it out of park.. you don't know, maybe he just doesn't feel like it right now, which is his right.

let me explain it to you in geek terms
Guns N' Roses 2005 !=  Slash || DUFF || anyone else who was in the original lineup

so if you arne't happy with it, i think a vr forum wuld be a better place, because i dont come to gnr boards to see people slag off the people in the band. 

We here are hardcore GN'R fans. Most of the softcore fans simply think that they broke up, others think that they aren't doing anything. Some know that Axl carries on the GN'R name.

But let me ask you 2 questions:

-Why did Axl promote the 2002 'Chinese Democracy World Tour' as 'Eight years later they are back'? Who they? Axl? Or Axl and Dizzy?  :rofl: No, it meant Guns N' Roses.

-Why did Axl keep the name?

when did the band break up?  dave is absolutely right, you obvoiusly know nothing about Axl Rose and how he has everyone contribute to the songwriting and recording process.. all the guys in the band said so.    all you do is bash axl and blame him for everything that went wrong in the old band, when in fact, everyone involved played some kind of part in the demise of the old band.  but there was never a point when gnr 'broke up'.. its always been guns. 

Post something stupid like that again and you'll have more time to spend on other boards.



/jarmo

Very good examples. Those bands had sold-out tours in the last 1 or 2 years. And Freddie is dead, you know, Deacon wasn't there, Queen was only Brian May and Taylor. And people were happy to see and hear the old songs and they didn't care that only half of the band was here, and Queen's emblematic Freddie wasn't. Name sells, past sells, illusion sells.

Too bad. If Axl had that kind of mindset, he'd have tons of albums n shows already.
It wouldn't be Chinese Democracy nor this lineup.
And perhaps it wouldn't have caught my eyes n ears.

Bullshit. The majority of rock fans know the gnr situation in terms of whos not in the band and that Axl has decided to keep the name.

Because it seems at the time, the plan was to continue that tour with the release of CD. Listen to what Axl says at the vmas. As it turned out it was stupid for them to call it the CD tour because they didnt have an album outr and they never released 1 during that tour. So as it turns out it was a dumb thing to do. As was most of the planning was for that tour. As I have said countless times.

Do you really want to beat a dead horse?
Axl has kept the name because he feels GNR isnt over. One era is complete. A new one is waiting in the wings

Well man, Ii must differ.... Axl Rose alone, is not GNR,  GNR are Axl, Slash and Duff anyway I rather to have an Axl Rose album, than a NU GNR album,  by the way, I agree with you with the figures...

Some of you really need to move on. Its just a damn name of a band, get over it already.

how does everything with gnr end in go to a vr board..  Is this a new gnr only axl forum or a gnr forum past present?


that made me laugh :rofl:

why have you been banned from so many fuckin gnr forums man.. because you only go to them to cause shit.  you don't support the band, all you do is whine and moan about shit you have no control over and shit that happened years ago.

And that made  you laugh how? The fact that  you cant get over the fact Slash is no longer in guns n roses. Like it or not, CD will come out at some point and like it or not its not going to have slash on it, and like it or not its going to  be called guns n r roses new album.

dave, we have moved on, but it is not bad thing to look back on Axl and other band member's decisions and debate whether or not it was the best choice for them to make at that time.  Obviously people have different opinions on it. 

I don't mind a heated debate, but when people refuse to even consider another's opinion for a second, then it becomes a mud slinging contest like what we have here now.  You have to put yourself in some one else's shoes and see what would make them say that.  I don't think you or younggunner are capable of doing that.  Therefore whenever some one brings up an argument that differs from yours, you get all emotional about it and attack people. 

Mike is not trying to cause shit.  He may be playing devil's advocate, but he does not come out and say 'you are a fucking idiot for thinking this way' like the rest of you are doing.  He actually uses facts and well thought out ideas to explain his stance.  Now keep in mind that I am defending him and him and I have disagreed on multiple topics on this forum.  But even though him and I don't see eye to eye I can see that he has his opinion and he backs it up. 

And back to an earlier post by younggunner to me. "Well maybe dont you think that if people are cracking jokes and making fun of gnr they are implying they know the situation."

If you read what I typed, I said that people start making fun of Axl and the rest of the band AFTER I explain the situation to them.  Its not like I bring up the topic of GNR and people start talking about Buckethead, Tommy, etc.  I have to tell them what is going on then they start making fun of the band. 

You have not moved on it you keep talking about Axl still using the gnr name.

good comeback....

why do you even read these posts then if you have moved on?  Clearly you have to remind everyone that they have not moved on, but why is it so important to you?  Just live in your bubble where Axl Rose is you god and he can do nothing wrong.  Read the posts you want to and agree with them and ignore all of the posts by us 'Axl bashers' who 'live in the past'. 

Its important to me so every thread about the new band or cd does not turn into Axl should not be calling this band gnr, because that is what always happens.

well in case you did not notice, that was the purpose of this thread, so your input was not neccesary.  It asked the question of whether or not this album would have the same impact if it was not a GNR cd.  It did not turn into a thread of Axl using the GNR name, it was one to begin with.  So why bother with it? 

mike specifically states off the bat "and yes we all know axl is gnr but just give me your opinions on how the two would differ in sales with the same exact person behind the band.."

He also says "it could go like david lee roth solo from van halen or great like ozzy minus black sabbath.."

He was not bashing Axl at all.  It was an honest question.  You and others were the one who turned it into a personal attack/insult thread. 

And if you read what i said then you would answer the question. Wther they know about what is going on with gnr or whos in the band is irrelevant.What they do know is that the the band broke up and that SLash and company arent in it anymore

so, what you meant to say the whole time, is that in general people know that the old GNR is broken up and that Slash and the older guys aren't involved anymore.  YES I AGREE!  You should have explained that from the beginning.  So how does that factor into your earlier argument?  I do not understand why you made it a point to make that clear.  How will that help album sales, how will that effect the perceptions of the 'hardcore' (your words) gnr fanbase?  I am not following you there. 

Axl should move on.....Swallow his fucking ego, grow some balls and release this album as an Axl Rose album.... If peopel are still bitching about it after all these years maybe it still matters to people. He should have some respect for Gn'R fans.

We won't agree on the first thing, but that's it.

In my first question I asked who 'They' they were referring to? Not their plans about an album.

My second question wasn't a dead horse since I didn't say 'he should have retired the name'. I asked why he didn't do that. But as I translate your answer I think you meant that in Axl's mind he was and he is Guns N' Roses. But I think it's not that simple.

But as far as I remember, Axl has commented on it and you just don't want to acknowledge that.

Asked whether he ever considered going under his own name instead of keeping the Guns N` Roses tag, Rose says; ''It is something I lived by before these guys were in it. And there were other people in Guns N` Roses before them, you know. I contemplated letting go of that, but it doesn't feel right in any way. I am not the person who chose to try to kill it and walk away.''

Axl Speaks
Rolling Stone, January 2000 (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=30)





/jarmo

I for one don't care what the band calls itself as far as not "Axl Rose (ex GN'R) solo".

But I think this is the best name for the band of today even more than old days. the name Guns n roses shows what the band is. The hard and the soft, the oldies and the latest, the beauty and the beast or whatever extremes meet @ Guns n' Roses and make uncanny harmony.

Can you think of a better name for such a band?

The Steven Adler All Stars??? 

There are some great posts in this thread regarding why Axl should continue with his vision. Unfortunately the most lucid comments are lost amid the petty bickering from the usual suspects.

I just wanted to give a nice  : ok: to those that believe in this project. I really believe those who wish Axl would let go of the name are the ones having the most trouble moving on.

The David Lee Roth scenario is the most likely if Axl had went solo, but he could have possibly had a John Fogerty type career. John has released several solo albums over the years, with some decent songs. Some even went Top 40. Although his albums didn't sell as well as they did when he was in CCR, he completed many successful tours. Instead of fading into obsurity, he kept his career going and stayed relevant over the years. He also takes many years to complete albums, and the albums always please his core fanbase.

kinda sorta. I think that he feels GNr hasnt ended and he wasnt the one who left. He feels that there is more to be heard from GNR under that name.

Not really. iF DLR or JF went MIA for a decade then we can compare.

This isnt an ordinary solo album.

Axl could definately have a very successful solo career..... I think of it kinda like the Ozzy and Sabbath situation.

whats the difference bwteen a "solo" career and what hes doing now?

Hey!! it was cool when you were on MYGNR!

whats he's doing is guns n roses.  its not a solo career.