Here Today... Gone To Hell!

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If we put aside our political opinions, forget that you're a right wing conservtive and that you think like your 50 years old mother.

Bush supporters,...? do you agree that George is just NOT very smart when he talks ?

I dont know if it's his accent, his face, the way he talks, the words he chooses ... but i just can't take this guy seriously.

I respect that people can like his party and opinions, but do you see that he is dumb looking ?

That troubles me. That your leader is dumber than you.


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I don't like him, so I know people will assume I'm just biased.  But no, I don't think he's smart at all.  I think he got through school and the national guard and everything else he's done because of who his dad is.  People say he shows strong leadership and that's why people like him, but I don't get it.  I watch him on tv sometimes in complete amazement and think "He's just stupid!  How is this possible that this man got elected, twice?"

Now his face, he can't do anything about.  But he does smirk, all the time.  I was watching him talking to hurricane victimes and when he was attempting to show compassion, he still had that stupid smirk on his face. 

i know, im watching Daily Show a lot, i know they hate him and all.
but that george bush just does not sound smart. and he looks dumb too.

this is realy not about politics.

i can't see how people can take him as a leader while he looks so stupid and talks like a rednack.

watch the links i posted up on the 1st post, they're funny :)

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If you judge a persons intelligence by that, then I guess he's stupid. I don't think he's all that stupid, but I also don't think he should be the president... What I mean is this: one shouldn't be able to justify a presidency just by saying "he's not as stupid as the media portrays him"

I tend to agree with Skeba.  Do I think he is stupid?  No.  All the people that say so are those that would have voted for Kerry.  I read that Bush has a higher IQ and did better at Yale than Kerry.  Stupid? No.  Inarticulate to the point where he hurts the nation? Yes.  I think the biggest failure of this administration is its inability to sell what it is doing to the people.  That falls directly on Bush's  inability to conduct a press conference or talk off the cuff.  He can't go out and convince others that what he is doing is right.  I'll bet that he is just as impotent when it comes to discussions with foreign leaders.  I think his numbers would be far higher if he could sell the nation on this war, or if he would conduct press conferences every week.
 

Hmmm, maybe not stupid. But definitely tactless.  ::)

but we are talking about a "leader" ....
the way he talks, the way he acts, the way he stands ... these are important things.
i cant understand how a country can accept someone who has no "charisma" like that ...

it's wierd.

ps: i am not talking about political opinions and views.

Bush is the antithesis of Clinton.  Clinton was one of the smartest and most eloquent presidents in recent years only to followed by perhaps the worst ever.  Bush might be a helluva guy to meet at the bar and have a beer and do some coke with, but president?  No way.

I guess it depends on what you consider stupid.  I work with mentally retarded people, and Bush is smarter than them.  But I really don't think he's above average in intelligence.  I don't know if anyone knows what his IQ actually is.  My understanding was that the information circulated on the internet before was fake.   

I think people who support him are party line republicans who would say that any republican president was fantastic.  They don't want to acknowledge his shortcomings, they just love him because he's not a democrat. 

I don`t consider Bush stupid. He is not great with public speaking, thus the stupid tag. Also listening to bad intelligence on Iraq. Ok, that was not smart. I think each president we have ever had has their strengths and shortcomings. Therefore with the exception of a few, most of our presidents thru history could be called stupid. (Clinton-Lewinsky fiasco, Bush Sr. not going into Baghdad, Carter with the botched rescue of the Iran hostages, Nixon for lying, Ford for falling down all the time...the list goes on....)

When hundreds of thousands of lives are on the line...you have to be better than "not smart".

Personally, I thought Bush Sr. was smart for not going into Iraq when he knew there was no good exit strategy. 

Actually, during the election I saw it on television on NBC.  Bush and Kerry took IQ tests when they entered the military.  Bush scored higher.  It wasn't just some internet rumor.

He wrote in his book why (guess W didn't read that one).

He said he did not go in because we would be seen as occupiers, rather than liberators....imagine that.

Excerpt from the following article: http://www.csbsju.edu/uspp/Election/bush011401.htm


George W. Bush can be likable and charming. But, as the New York Times pondered in a front-page article on June 19, 2000, "is he smart enough to be president?"

Unlike John F. Kennedy, who obtained an IQ score of 119, or Al Gore, who achieved scores of 133 and 134 on intelligence tests taken at the beginning of his high school freshman and senior years, no IQ data are available for George W. Bush. But we do know that the young Bush registered a score of 1206 on the SAT, the most widely used test of college aptitude. (The more cerebral Al Gore obtained 1355.)

Statistically, Bush's test performance places him in the top 16 percent of prospective college students ? hardly the mark of a dimwit. Of course, the SAT is not designed as an IQ test. But it is highly correlated with general intelligence, to the tune of .80. In plain language, the SAT is two parts a measure of general intelligence and one part a measure of specific scholastic reasoning skills and abilities.

If Bush could score in the top 16 percent of college applicants on the SAT, he would almost certainly rank higher on tests of general intelligence, which are normed with reference to the general population. But even if his rank remained constant at the 84th-percentile level of his SAT score, it would translate to an IQ score of 115.

It's tempting to employ Al Gore's IQ:SAT ratio of 134:1355 as a formula for estimating Bush's probable intelligence quotient ? an exercise in fuzzy statistics that predicts a score of 119. If the number sounds familiar, it's precisely the IQ score attributed to Kennedy, whom Princeton political scientist Fred Greenstein, in "The Presidential Difference," commended as "a quick study, whose wit was an indication of a subtle mind."

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I find this disappointing.  My IQ is significantly higher than any of these people.  Why the hell didn't I go Harvard instead of SFSU??? Oh yeah... because my parents had no money.

Best post tonight, thanks.

Lots of poor people go to Harvard. If you're that smart, you should have heard about scholarships and/or loans. That said, you probably got a better education at SFSU because they don't inflate your grades just so all their grads can have a good GPA.

I heard about scholarships and loans.  I was denied financial aid because my middle class parents (dad was a cop, mom stayed at home) made too much money.  And my grades were good, but I didn't do extra activities (too shy).  They don't give scholarships for high IQ's.  But thanks for saying I probably got a better education at SF.  That makes me feel better.  But if you ever want to meet true liberals...that's the place to go.  I could start a whole other thread on the wacky stuff they teach there...the "variations in human sexuality" class is pretty interesting. 

Georges W Bush is not a good President. There are better persons to lead a country as important as the USA.
I still think Bill Clinton was one of the best American President ever. Very smart, very talented, not arrogant like W. I also like John Kerry (even if he lacks a little bit of charisma/presence/persuasion) but he has good ideas.

I think the US should come back to the fundamentals: take care of your own citizens now, make a more intern policy, developp the public social services, especially for the poor, what is done in Europe should be a good inspiration for you. You can't be the most powerfull country in the world and stay with 35 million very poor people... something is wrong.

As an immigrant, I can tell you that most people outside West Europe and US/Canada would kill to be "poor" Americans. Have you noticed how fat many of those supposedly poor people are?  :hihi:

And why should the US take inspiration from Europe when Europe's economic growth is pretty much stagnant?

I don't think so ... a poor in my country gets at least 400 euros a month and when he's sick he can go see a doc for free ! Nobody's is denied medical care because they are poor !  :P

so you see them fat and you think everything's fine .... uh uh ....

and again with economic growth .....
are you rich ? do you drive a ferrari ? what is your job ?
dont think that the economy growth is a bonus for you.

but, hey, as long as you see movie stars on MTV and p diddy in his cadillac i guess that makes you happy. this is america for you.

wall mart is america, and wall mart makes me sad.

I don't think he's stupid.  Not by a long shot.  On the contrary, I think he's VERY intelligent.

But he's not well spoken or articulate at ALL.  And that makes him look folksy, ill prepared, and unintelligent at times.

No one is demied in the US either.  In fact, you aren't denied even if you are not a citizen of the U.S..

I think this is dead on.

Popmental, the poor are overweight and obese because they do not have the $ to buy fruits and vegatables. ?They can buy a family pack of hotdogs for a couple of bucks versus 1 or 2 apples for the same amount. ?On top of that they don't have adequate healthcare or access to fitness clubs or gyms. ?Your statement shows your ignorance.

Okey, so in the USA if you're poor you can go see a doctor for free and get your medecine for free too ? Things have changed that much ?   ???

On topic, I think it's damn too easy to say that Bush is an idiot ! I think he knows what he's doing most of the time, that's what really scary !  :P

Very true. Most of the time, the poors in rich counties are fat because they can only buy cheap "junk food". Eating fish or dietetic food is expensive. I mean REAL fish, not the one you find in your hamburger at Mc Donalds! Olive oil is much more expensive than oil. Going to Gym is expensive. Basically, They have other priorities, just to eat.

You have to be very very poor to get medical care for free.  Welfare pays next to nothing unless you have several children.  There are government programs to subsidize housing for the very poor.  Its by far not a perfect system, and there are those that take advantage.  If you get a job that pays practically anything you no longer qualify for government assistance.  It ends up being better to stay on welfare for many people.  But even the "free" medical insurance (called Medi-Cal in California, but I believe Medicaid elsewhere) often carries a share of cost.  The medical care you recieve is very often substandard.  Many physicians won't even take it, because it pays less than standard insurance.  So yes, there is assistance for the poor in the USA, but there are problems with it. 

I think you've summed him up pretty well.  On the other hand clinton was an excellent public speaker and he was dumb enough to stick it in a fat chick in the oval office.

Pulling the wool over others eyes...well i guess you and bush would get on just fine eh

my exgirlfriend had a serious back injury a couple of years ago...she was qretty well off but in the end had to sell almost everything to have the operations she needed to "live" so you are abolsutely wrong unless you end your sentence with " as long as you got the bucks to pay through the nose"

I seem to be agreeing with you more and more.

My wife and I are constantly reminded of how much it costs to eat healthy. We could easily cut our food bill (around 600 bucks a month for family of four, plus two dogs) if we ate crappy food. White bread, processed meals, cheaper meat, hotdogs, "juices" that are nothing more than artificial color and sugar etc etc.

If you are poor it is easier to buy hotdogs, Koolaid and white buns (which break down into sugar) to feed your family. The junkier (if thats a word, but you get my point) the food, the cheaper it is, always. Also many poor people, especially in the south, use one method of cooking: deep fried. They cook in oil because its cheap and fast and makes poor cuts of meat etc, taste good. Plus it's a cultural thing in the south, especially with low income people. Low income people are also less educated and therefor don't totally understand the risks associated with their habits. Even if they may, they are strapped financially to buy what they can afford.

Lowfat milk, lowfat cheese, soy products, fat free icecream, turkey (lean) ham (lean), wheat bread (approaching 4 bucks a loaf these days), organic veggies, organic milk....it goes on and on...They are expensive. But in turn your health is better for it. I figure it is cheaper in the long run (ie, hospital bills) for me to pay more for food NOW, then healthcare later.

On a side note, many people are now going to India for world class medical care for things like cancer treatment and other surgeries. The cost is 1/10 that of American medical care. If I was ever facing something like that I would do it in a minute. I would know that I wouldn't loose everything I worked so hard for when the 200k bills started rolling in.

But not dumb enough to do what Bush has done in 5 years.....

And I must say, Clinton was smart enough to win the battle in the media by creating a, yes, "Strawman".  Bush has no media skills; thus, he is unable to win the battle of public opinion.

What was the strawman Clinton was tearing down in front of the public?

(I think I know what you are going to say, i just wanna here you say it.)

Bush has no public speaking skills, but his lack of LEADER SKILLS is his problem.

He turned the entire argument into one about sex instead of tackling the true allegation of lying under oath in a sexual harrassment case.? Granted, I don't necessarily believe his perjury rose to the level of impeachment; however, it was serious nonetheless.

On a side note, to address the comment you made earlier about the tactics that are only used by the right, the same neverending campaign to tear down Clinton by the right is exactly what I see today coming from many circles on the left.? Of course, I am not saying that there isn't anything to criticize of either President; however, conspiracy theories come from all sides.

Agreed, but, of course, the two go hand-in-hand.

I doubt we would.

Well, Rain addressed health care for the poor.  In the United States the poor are taken care of.  However, unlike many other countries, the United States also allows the rich and the middle class the ability to maintain their private care, which is, what I have read, far better than government care in any country.  Do some get screwed in the process, sure.  I am not sure what your girlfriend's status was, thus I can not comment on it.  However, I am not saying that the system isn't flawless; nor am I saying that the system does not need any reforms.  To be fair though, one shouldn't trash one's healthcare system by looking at one limited aspect of it, especially considering the aspect she spoke of was incorrect.  Of course, considering your girlfriend was, in your words, "pretty well off", I am not sure your example speaks to Rain's original comment or my reply.

The media turned it into a sex scandal, not Clinton......GNRNightrain.

Nope, sorry.  But a good guy he was.

haha, after that statement....

That seals the deal!  :hihi:

What an ironic statement, considering sealing the deal is what my friend GNRN could never do :hihi:.  On a serious note, I only wish he would come back and post.  He added a point of view, that although I often disagreed with, was well thought out and articulate compared to the right wingers that currently grace us with their presence.

hmmmmmm..... :peace:

I don't care what any of you bastards think.? W friggin' rocks!? ?:peace:? ? :hihi:


http://www.postcrap.com/vids.php?filename=09-05/genius.wmv

haha, I have this video up on my site. Too damn funny.

whos that comedian again ?. i saw him on mtv once .. he 's kinda funny ...

Andy Dick

http://www.miniclip.com/dancingbush.htm

I never get tired of this.

And to answer the question, I wouldn't exactly call Bush stupid, but "unable to speak well" and "tactless" are both acceptable and true.