Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://media.putfile.com/Kanye79

Kayne looks like a fool here. He really never should have said this during the releif for the hurricane. But the look on Myers face is priceless.

Ever seen a canook poop himself?

Well you did that day...

What's a canook?

Kayne.  :rofl:

 :hihi: Myers speechless??

"Kayne video saying he does not care about black people."

Souldn't the thread title say: "Kanye video saying George W. Bush does not care about black people." ??

we all know HE stands for George W. Bush ;D

Canadian..... ;D

ie Mike Myers.

Ok, I didn't know it was that obvious...lol

Yea, what's up with the bait and switch?

Kanye West is a fuckin dumb bastard.

Kayne isn't too far off in his statement. There is an underlying bias against black Americans. A CNN anchor made a foot-in-mouth statement about the hurricane victims in New Orleans. He said, "They're so poor and so black".  And also on the news, they depicted the black people as looters when they tried to get groceries for their families. It's an unfair bias.

I don't really have problem with what Kayne said . But He could have pick a better place to say it .

Ok way to generalize the human race

so because one news anchor slipped up that makes everyone in the media racist and because they called people "looters" which is what they are that makes them racist

doesnt matter who was stealing they wouldve used the term because that was what they were doing.


how was Kanye not too far off?

In what way does that show that George Bush doesnt care about black people?


It takes time to get hundreds of thousands of people out of an area, its not like u can snap your fingers and make it happen instantly.

Kanye was expressing feelings echoed by many people.  He didn't do it very articulately, but it was clear that he was very emotional and believed what he was saying.  And his concerns are real and will have to be addressed. 

I don't agree with him, I don't think that what Bush did (or failed to do) had to do with race.  And I know we have another thread already going about this, but D, it  took less than 2 days to get just about everyone out.  The problem is that it took almost 5 days to start, and 5 days to get enough food and water in there.  That's the part the administration needs to answer for.

But like I said, I don't think it was due to race, but I think Kanye had the right to say it, if that's what he thinks. He has a right to be angry, as all americans do. 

Look at our cities in general.

Where the money is, is what gets taken care of first.

SLC in the wintertime is a great example. The entire eastside (more money) will be plowed and nice and easy to drive on.

While the west (middleclass to lower middle class-most of the valley resides here) won't even be plowed yet.

I like Kanye for speaking his mind, I respect anyone who isnt scared to say how they feel.

I blame more of this on the FEMA leader who obviously isnt qualified to handle emergencies like this.

Bush was slow but to say he doesnt care about black people is taking it too far.

"Probably nothing."

- Jeb Bush, during his losing 1994 bid for Florida Governor, when asked what he would do for black people, quoted by Salon on 10-05-02


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Hey, why should he be any different than his brother?

I didn't say George Bush doesn't care about black people, Kanye said that. But some people would assume that there's a lack of care, because the response was too slow. People were crammed into a leaky dome with a limited amount of food and water, and women were afraid to go to the restrooms for fear of being raped. It was a nightmarish situation that no one should've endured. Even prison inmates are treated better than that. I'm not saying it's President Bush's fault, but the national guard should have been sent there immediately to protect the people.

Have to agree with D, FEMA dropped the ball on this one.  Apparently his former job was the head of some Arabian Horse assc.  Not exactly good qualifications!

Kanye is a fucking idiot.  He is on a telethon to try and get money for the victims.  Many of the people that he is trying to appeal to are rich white Republicans that voted for Bush.  Not to smart to alienate one of the key groups that send money to such efforts.

The US had slavery, there were black codes, and there was racism in in the mid twentieth century.  No one denies this.  However, just because these things happened doesn't mean America is still a racist nation, and certainly doesn't mean that Bush is racist.  Such arguments are just plain stupid.  In fact, one of the biggest people that dropped the bomb on this whole thing was the mayor, who is black.  Was he racist also.  Bush deserves to be a punching bag on many things, and the federal governments response was certainly not what it should have been, but was it because Bush was racist?  No.

Incompetent does not equal racist.

absolutely

Bush does seem to be a slow reactor, must be burnt out from the drugs he took or something.

and Journey what did u want them to do?

National Guard or Marines or whatever the Superdome was the only place for those people to go, there was no other option at that time.

The reaction time was still inexcusable in my book

Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Under law Bush can't sent the national guard unless the governor of the state requests it. He would have had to declare martial law in order to do it, and the same people who are now criticizing him for not acting fast enough would have been up in arms that he's abusing power and being a "fascist."

i still think it's cool that people can go off script. and that he did.

i think it's outrageous that nbc released a statement saying " that he went off script blah blah ..."
sad that everything is that fake. can't they just let the people talk.

"The reaction time was still inexcusable in my book"
Agreed...

That's "canuck".

Nobody said the F word.

You are using the S word though....strawman.

now I know....

Learn that in med school too? :hihi:

"Now all I need is for y'all to pronounce my name, it's 'Kanye', but some of my plaques they still say 'Kayne'"

Here's the full video if anyone is interested in checking it out:

http://media.skoopy.com/vids/vid_00747.wmv

I think the full speech is much more interesting to watch than just his "George Bush doesn't care about black people" line, especially coming from Kanye who is expected to be cocky/arrogant, because he seems really shook-up and emotional about what he's saying.... You also get to see more of Myers reactions.  :hihi:

I probably would've spelled his name correctly if I had known who he was. Kanye is a rare name anyway.

It bugs me that he referred to himself and the black hurricane victims as "us". He didn't have to edure what they went through. He just wanted to turn it into an "us and them" situation. If he doesn't like white presidents, then he needs to vote in the next election.

LOL, I just found it funny that he wrote a lyric about people misspelling his name Kayne and a bunch of people here did it, I wasn't trying to criticize.

He wasn't trying to group himself into the situation like he's a hurricane victim, he was making a point about the treatment of poor & black people in the country.  He has obviously had a harder life based purely on the colour of his skin and both his parents and his grandparents have participated in demonstrations (which have gotten them arrested) to prove a point about the inequalities between blacks & whites.  I don't really see a problem with him using the response to the hurricane as a way for him to express his opinion on the treatment of his people.

We can't be sure if Kanye voted in the last election or not, but either way there was still enough stupid Americans to re-elect Bush, so it's no suprise people are complaining.

Kanye West Does not care about black people

If he did he would be in New Orleans helping out instead of out there promoting his new CD.

Same could be said for Jackson and friends.

They knew the hurricane was coming. Why didn't they have buses down there to evacuate the blacks who were not able to leave beforehand?

He could have been more pro-active too, instead of being a Monday night q-back.

Oprah waited until she came back from vacation to do anything.  So add her to the list. 

Ah, what a country you guys live in where you look for celebrities to come rescue people instead of the government!

No Eazy u are misunderstaning


Celebrities dont have to do shit BUT when they are criticizing the ones who are helping while they sit on their asses not helping its hypocritical and ignorant of them to bash anyone's efforts.

If u dont like how things are being done, Go down and help, thats my message to celebs, political leaders, reverends whatever.

Dont sit on your soap box and bitch about it, go there and make a difference.


Kanye can run his mouth about Bush not caring about blacks but where is he? sabotaging a fund raiser to get across his own policital agenda

that will really help the black people ::)

I don't really think Kanye sabatoged the fundraiser at all.  If anything, he got people to talk about it.  They might not have otherwise, because as telethons go, it was pretty lame.

As far as sitting on a soap box and bitching, well, its our right and our duty as Americans to be critical of our government, to question them and attempt to keep them honest.  I don't fault celebrities for complaining anymore than I fault myself.  They may have more money to give, but if they don't physically want to go down there and endanger themselves, they don't have to.  You may not like what Kanye said, but he had the right to say it.  There are alot of people who share his opinion and it's worth discussing.

Well in the longer video I just posted, Kanye says this:

"Even for me to complain, I would be a hypocrite.... I've even been shopping before even giving a donation, so now I'm calling my business manager to see what is the biggest amount I can give, and to imagine if I was down there, those are my people down there..."

So Kanye is donating as much as he can and calling out for others to do the same, he can go right ahead and criticize the rescue effort as far as I'm concerned.  I wouldn't expect him to stop living his life (i.e. promoting his new CD) to go down there and save people, just like I wouldn't expect you guys to quite your jobs to go help.

What you said makes a lot of sense, Eazy. I just don't think it's cool of him to turn it into a race war:"Us against Them". The white man didn't cause the hurricane. There are lots of white and other races of people helping out with this disaster. The focus should be on helping right now, and the criticizing can come afterwards.

Kanye basically doesnt care about black people.

He admits in that thing Eazy posted that he had been shopping and everything before donating.

So he can say because it took Bush a few days to get to NO that he doesnt care about black people YET Kanye can go shopping and turn his back on those people until it ties in well with his CD release and only now that his CD is out coincidentally can he call his manager and see how much he can donate.

This guy is a fake ass bitch who needs to shut his mouth and has no right to criticize anyone.

I honestly don't know anything about him, and I thought the whole telethon incident was pretty funny.  He might be a complete idiot and certainly didn't come off as very intelligent.  But he did admit he was a hypocrite for turning away from the tv and shopping and such.  So that's something, isn't it? 

Don't worry, I don't expect Kanye's comments are going to harm Bush in anyway.  And he's not going to to convince millions of black people that Bush is racist.  They either all ready think he is or he isn't, Kanye West won't change that.

In this country, the celebrities will be the first to go on tv and ask middle America to give money to help.

During the 9-11 donation period, Rosie O'Donald made a huge offering of money. She voiced frustration (without naming names) of all the celebs who she personally called, who chose not to give any money. Some were the same ones on tv asking us to donate.

Kanye reminds me of Paris Hilton who participated in MTV's vote or die campaign even though she herself wasnt registered

Kanye was shopping before he donated and now he has the balls to say someone doesnt care?

Priceless!

So when there is a tragedy, the celebrities are contacted to be the voice of raising money (whether they donate or not), is that because the citizens don't pay as much attention if the government encouraged people to help out? or because the government is 5 days late in responding?  It doesn't really suprise me that some of them don't donate, but I wouldn't group Kanye in with them since he just said he was already helping out.


This is priceless?  To admit that he was wrong and decide that the right thing would be to help out?  Now I'm not sure why you're comparing a musician to the President of the U.S., but I'll give Kanye credit for admitting that he was late in responding, unlike Bush.  Not only that, I've seen more emotion pouring out of Kanye then I've ever seen coming from George "I think about Iraq everyday" Bush.

journey, I don't think he's trying to turn it into a "white vs. black", but more of a "government vs. black"

MTV.com has a bunch of reactions to his comments (and a poll):

http://www.mtv.com/news/polls/news_extra/

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1509000/20050906/index.jhtml?headlines=true

http://www.mtv.com/news/youtellus/topics/w/west_kanye/090605.jhtml

No, not really.

Not at all, actually.

How you can jump on something that came through his own admission...Is beyond me.

And besides, him waiting until he had been shopping before donating has little (well, no) relevance to the major complaints of the reaction of those who should have taken charge of the situation (not being Kanye).

If somebody admits to wrongdoing (though, in this case, can it even merit that label?) that would not have come out otherwise, then it is not...proper...to use it against them.

Though, the very notion that there is anything priceless in his self-accepting statement that includes that he himself would become a hypocrite, is actually laughable in itself.

The video's not working

Well, that was stupid  :confused:

Wow, Kanye is very inarticulate for someone who is considered to be the 'smartest man in rap' :o He sounds like a raving lunatic.

At least now we know what celebrities sound like when they don't have things written out for them.

Yeah he was obviously nervous, because he knew he was taking a big chance with speaking his mind about the situation. I think he could've turned his anger and frustration into something more productive. It's cool that he cares about people, but it seemed like he redirected that care to focus on his political agenda and hatred for the system.

Kayne West has also gone on record in the past to allege that Aids is a bioweapon created by the US to kill africans.  The guy is obviously a total nutjob.

As for President Bush not caring about black people, it's just a cheap shot. 

The mayor of New Orleans is black and he didn't have a good enough plan to deal with the disaster.  His only job is taking care of New Orleans and he failed.  Next up the list is the Governor of Louisiana who failed as well.  There was no way to position national guard soldiers or supplies nearer to New Orleans without having them being seriously damaged by the hurricane so there was always going to be a delay between the end of the hurricane and the supplies arriving.  There was also a number of factors that extended the delay.  Up to a third of the police officers in New Orleans couldn't get to work because of flooding or because they were taking care of their own families who had been caught up in the hurricane.  The entire communications infrastructure in New Orleans was brought down making it impossible to co-ordinate relief.  Flooded roads meant that alot of supplies had to be brought in by air which is much slower than by ground and lastly the presence of retards shooting at the rescuers meant that police officers who should have been bringing supplies to people in need had to be diverted to protecting hospitals and other locations.

I totally disagree. As soon as that river flooded New Orleans it could have been swooped down on by the Feds and taken care of. They could have gone down there Iwo Jima style and taken control of that city and the dome.

Bush didn't even come of vacation for what 3 days into this thing?

Where does the buck stop? IT WAS THE FEDS who cut funds for this city, it was the FEDS who proposed another HUGE fund cut for this city disaster relief.

It was the FEDS who put up the red tape when it was time to act.

No fuckin' way is this a state level thing.

When are we going to get honest here?

Bush made the cuts, then was a shit leader when it was time to act.

Malicious? NO.

Poor leader, excuse maker? YES

The mayor of New Orleans is responsible for ensuring that a adequate disaster plan is in place in his city, just like the mayor of every city is responsible for planning for emergencies.  As an example, the department of homeland security provides money to plan a response to a terrorist attack, they give this money to the city and state governments who then decide how it should be best spent.  The aftermath of Katrina shows that his plan was not adequate. 

At the moment, the person who is overall command of the recovery efforts in Louisiana is the governor.  She is in command of the national guard troops and her authority supercedes the director of fema.  The only role that the president plays in this is the provision of money and materials from the federal government to assist in the recovery.

National guard units that were assigned to the hurricane recovery work had to be stationed outside of the affected area because there is little point in stationing them close to the city and have them caught up in the storm.  It takes time to move large numbers of troops and considering the serious and widespread damage to the infrastructure of the area around New Orleans they moved pretty quickly.

What else could the mayor do? ?He ordered an unprecedented evacuation of major city. ?Then he offered the only building that could survive a cat 4 hurricaine as a last resort shelter. ?By doing this, he saved hundreds of thousands of lives. ?If he hadn't ordered that evacuation, so many more would have been lost. ?But no city has the resources to run such a huge rescue/relief operation. ?That's FEMA's job. ?And FEMA was on tv before the hurricane saying how well prepared they were. ?What a joke. ?At least the mayor was willing to put his neck on the line and blast the people above him, fight for the citizens of his city, and not just talk political nonsense about how good the response was, etc. ?

As far as there being no way in, that's just not true. ?There was a freeway into the city that all the reporters used from day 1, and the military used it 5 days later, when they decided to go in. ?The ?communications in the city were gone, that's true, that's why the local police were so helpless. ?But our military, FEMA, etc. has the ability to communicate without relying on local systems. ?

They didn't get there sooner because they chose not to. ?They weren't trying. ?I don't think its because the people there are black, and Kanye West might be a nutjob, I have no idea. ?But our government failed and let people die. ?That's a fact. ?

One more time


Kanye West is on TV sabotaging a telethon to take the focus off the people and put the focus on his controversial statement.

He himself waited over a week to even think about donating so how can he sit there and say "My people and include himself in that when he is sittin on his rich ass while people are starving and dying?"

He has no right to say shit.


Sayin they "are shooting at us"

Funny I didnt see his ass down there to be shot at so what is all this us about?

Secondly he obviously has no clue or he would know they were shooting people who were snipers and shooting hospitals and terrorizing people.


Kanye is a joke


Did the GOVT drop the ball? Sure, they totally fucked up

Does Bush hate blacks? NO, I dont get that at all.


IM just sayin if u are gonna accuse someone of hating black people, u better be damn sure u are out there helping your so called people which he wasnt.

Also, in his rambling, the fool makes it sound as if Bush send in the troops to shoot black people.

It was actually GOVERNOR BLANCO (a democrat) who made the comment "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and are more than willing to do so if necessary. And I expect they will." And she did the right thing under the circumstances.

Oxymoron of the day.  Intelligent rapper. ;D

Oxymoron 5 days from now, Competent President. ;D

Good one. ;D

Actually, the city had enough busses to take all the people who were too poor to get out and bus them out in an orderly fashion.

where to?  They only had about a day to make arrangements.  Anyway you can argue what should have been done before the disaster all you want.  Bush cut funding to projects to strengthem the levees.  I think Clinton did too, and when he was president our country probably had the money to spend on the levees.  But however much anybody screwed up before the disaster doesn't excuse the horrible response afterwards.

Post links to back your claims or clam it.

No it doesn't, but that's not the point. The point is that the city of New Orleans screwed up big time as well. Probably more than anyone else.

And it's not as simple as Bush and Clinton cut funding for levees either. There were federal proposals for projects to strengthen the levees that were rejected on the local level. If anyone's to blame about that, it's  government bureaucracy in general.

if you seriously think we couldn't have done something faster, i'd like to see you in the same situation, on the news, saying "It's cool, I don't mind waiting, I understand there's a lot of legal mumbo jumbo before they can come save us or even bring us food"

Fox news had footage of hundreds of school buses submerged in water that should have been used before the hurricane hit.

I don't wait around for government hand outs.  I take care of myself and my own family.

who are you talking to??? I don't remember anyone saying the federal response was exemplary?

So are you saying the people who didn't evacuate deserved what they got? 

Popmetal, I hope nothing like this ever happens to you but if it did I am sure you'd be there getting your MREs and water just like everybody else.  I am glad you have empathy for these poor people.  Are you Karl Rove's bastard child?

You still don't post anything to back your claims.

The state asked Bush for funds (for Katrina) and help on 8-27-05. How does that equate to them 'screwing up bigtime'?

They knew what was coming, asked for it, and got a slow response. Bush stayed on vacation for Christ's sake.

Fox news has already started the smear campaign against the state government with misleading and false reporting. Anything to take the spotlight of ole W.

For the millionth time, I didn't say the federal government didn't screw up in their response as well. What? You feel compelled to chastise anyone who is not as rabidly anti-Bush as you are, and you can't attack me with anything real, so you have to imply made up false things?


I'll take this as a compliment.

Kitano already did that for me. Just because you automatically discredit everything that comes out of Fox News, that's your problem. Fact is, the buses were there and nobody used them to evacuate anyone. Why do I get the feeling that if mayor Nagin had remained a Republican (he switched parties just before running for mayor; and had in fact contributed money to GW Bush's election campaign) you'd be the first in line to blast him for not using those busses?

I dunno...because your dumb?

Thanks! Every time you make a statement like that, though you may get the adoration of the other extreme leftists, it makes your point of view look more and more like a joke to everyone else  :beer:

I doubt it.

"I don't wait around for government hand outs.  I take care of myself and my own family."

God Bless You.

Actually, I think it says in the bible to take care of yourself and your own family, and to be spiteful towards those who NEED HELP.

SLC - loved your posts man, it's nice to know people like you exist. John Kerry would have left wherever he was immediately and gotten on a fucking boat himself and showed in some symbollic statement to America that we were helping. He certainly wouldn't have stayed on vacation  : ok:

Thank you.

You know I watched Larry King tonight and saw Sean Penn down there pulling people out of that bacteria filled water.

People, of course, always attack Penn because he went against the Bush-war-machine very early on.

Larry asked him what he thought about people criticizing him for going down to help other people. That surely he knows that people think he only went down there for publicity.

Penn's response was perfect. He said "I went down there, we managed to pull 40 people onto a boat and to safety. That is what I know, people can say what they want, I don't care. I coudl not sit at home and watch this."

He was no armchair admiral, but rather got up, put his boots on, and flew from San Fran to NO to help other human beings. Nowhere did he stop to think "I'm gonna stay here because I'm ok with my family and wealthy", or "on vacation". He went down there, actually swimming in that water to pull people out.

Sean Penn Kicks fucking ass!

Took a real man to get in that nasty water and help people when he could have sat home safe in San Fran..... :beer:

Powell slams hurricane response

Friday, September 9, 2005; Posted: 11:06 p.m. EDT (03:06 GMT)


WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Colin Powell, the former secretary of state seen as a potential leader for Hurricane Katrina recovery efforts, has joined the chorus of Americans criticising the disaster response at all levels of government.

"There have been a lot of failures at a lot of levels -- local, state and federal," Powell said in an ABC interview for the "20/20" program to be broadcast on Friday evening.

Political figures from both major parties have assailed the slow response to the hurricane's assault last week on the Gulf Coast, which devastated New Orleans and killed hundreds, possibly thousands, in the region.

"There was more than enough warning over time about the dangers to New Orleans. Not enough was done. I don't think advantage was taken of the time that was available to us, and I just don't know why," Powell said in excerpts on ABC's Web site.

He said he did not think that race was a factor in the slow response, but that many of those unable to leave New Orleans in time were trapped by poverty which disproportionately affects blacks.

Powell was the highest-ranking black official during President George W. Bush's first term and chairman of the military Joint Chiefs of Staff during the 1991 Gulf War. He is among various names mentioned in Washington as a potential "hurricane czar" to take over the long-term recovery effort.

Two Republican senators on Thursday proposed that such a job be created. White House officials have not ruled out the option, saying it is among several being discussed.

Some black leaders, including Democrats in Congress, have charged that racism contributed to the misery of New Orleans' predominantly black storm victims.

"I don't think it's racism, I think it's economic," Powell said. "But poverty disproportionately affects African-Americans in this country. And it happened because they were poor."

Powell is right on the money. It is an economic issue, not purely based on race. A lot of poor white people did not get help from the government quickly either. Kayne has no clue. Should we really take seriously what a rapper has to say? Yes the Bush administration must be held accountable for the slow response time. But it isn`t about racism, its about beurocracy choking the relief effort. The Canadiens got to New Orleans before the US National Guard. Let`s play the blame game later after the job is done, but seriously we did drop the ball on this one, imagine if we got hit with another terrorist attack!!

Lets be honest, if this shit happened in Coral Gables...how do you think it would have been handled?

Kanye West got the fuck booed out of him at the NFL game in New England. was hilarious!

They`d be right on the job in a matter of hours. More rich people here. Makes me feel better living in Florida ( unfortunately) FEMA was here within 4 hours of Hurricane Francis & Jeanne. Fucked us up pretty bad on east central FL. 

Damn skippy.....

Ah fuck that asswipe Kayne West, no one cares about Black People? Well there wasn't only black people that got attacked by Katrina.

More than a week after his emotional off-script statement at a September 2 Hurricane Katrina telethon ? comments capped by the declaration "George Bush doesn't care about black people" ? Kanye West explained the move on Saturday night. "I wasn't trying to particularly dis anybody like that," he said during a taping of MTV2's $2 Bill Concert Series.

West, who characterized the last two weeks as "crazy," told the audience assembled at Hollywood's Henry Ford Theatre that he wasn't interested in reading the scripted words that scrolled across the teleprompter during NBC's "A Concert for Hurricane Relief" telethon, and instead spoke from the heart (see "Jay-Z, Diddy, Others Reach Out To Disaster Victims; Kanye West Attacks Bush During Telethon"). West added that he remains undaunted by any subsequent public backlash that followed in the wake of his remarks, and said he stands by his critique.

"People are like, 'Yo, aren't you scared that something's going to happen to you?' I was like, 'I can think of a lot worse things that could happen to me, like how about not eating for five days? Or how about not knowing where my f---ing family is?' Everybody's always concerned about theyself."

West expressed that Americans largely close their eyes to the problem of poverty, including politicians.

"I just feel like America's always been pushing the [impoverished] under the counter, trying to act like it's not really there," he said. "And what happens if you're cleaning the kitchen and you're always dusting something under the counter? If you spill something, it's going come up and be in your f---ing face."

West urged the audience to get more involved in the ongoing relief efforts that are now underway in the region devastated by Hurricane Katrina.

"I can't even imagine being in that situation," the rapper said. "It's horrible, and we just need to come together [to] do what we can."

In addition, West said that last week's news that his latest release, Late Registration, sold more than 860,000 copies to debut as Billboard's #1 selling album (see "Kanye West's Late Registration Tops Albums Chart ? By A Mile"), was something of a "bittersweet" achievement, considering current events.

The concert, which also featured guests including Paul Wall and Common (see "Common's Making His Own Mini-Movie For 'Testify' "), will air Sunday at 10 p.m. ET/PT on MTV2.

West is a moron....I think we all agree.  His statements are false and his timing is bad...and worst of all...his music absolutely sucks!

I work for Orange County, Florida.  I can tell you from first hand experience that it is the responsible of the local and state government to put together and execute disaster response plans.  Now those plans will undoubtedly include coordination with the federal goverment (ours does), but the responsibity for the slow reaction and the very poor planning in the gulf coast region falls on the local and state officials.  The federal goverment was definately slow to react, but the majority of the blame lies with the state's inability to execute their disaster response plan.  Why didn't they execute the plan well?  There are alot of reason I'm sure.  The biggest of which was the absolute magnitude of destruction involved here.   

Does Bush hate blacks...no.  Could the feds have been quicker to respond...yes.   Does anyone think the slow reaction is the fault of one man?  If so, you are being partisan for sure.

It is not all Bush's fault but just like in sports if the team is doind bad then the manager gets the heat or fired.  Bush is the manager in this situationand his team is messing up.  Fair?  Maybe not but it is reality.

I think that your premise is fair, but I think your analogy is a little off.  In this case, Bush would be like the Commissioner of a sport and the governor of Louisiana would be the Manager of a team that sucks.  In that case, you are correct, the Manager would take the blame (even though he/she wouldn't be totally to blame) and the Commissioner would not.   :)

It is snowing in hell right now...........


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By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer 56 minutes ago

WASHINGTON -
President Bush said Tuesday that "I take responsibility" for failures in dealing with Hurricane Katrina and said the disaster raised broader questions about the government's ability to respond to natural disasters as well as terror attacks.


"Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government," Bush said at joint White House news conference with the president of
Iraq.

"To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Bush said.

Yahoo.com

Taking responsibility as any good leader should....... : ok:  :tongueincheek:

LOL, he had to, to save his ass.

He has run out of people to blame, and even the Fox-Orwell machine can't spin him out of this one.

 No matter how dumbed down the American people may be, death and tragedy with a slow reaction time, don't go over too well I'm afraid.

its Cunuck  ::)

yea yea yea, I already had some other Canadian tell me how to spell it.

I'm American, I can butcher words, and speak Engllish wherever I want....I don't give a rats azz!

i didnt know americans knew english

burnt
nite
soda

etc.

The reality of the situation is that the  liberal propoganda machine is taking another tragedy and using it to blame George W. Bush.  Bush admits that FEMA was late getting there, but the Democrat Governor who is in charge of the National Guard failed to send the troops in.  The Democrat Mayor who failed to utilize and exhaust all rescources to get his citizens out is to blame.  Do the people of New Orleans deserve what they got? Absolutely not!  However, they were warned and chose not to evacuate the city in hopes they could ride it out.  The fact that rapes and lootings are occuring widespread over the area tells you somthing about the situation.  Rather than place the blame on the individual who had least to do with this, start the finger pointing at the bottom where it needs to be.  So many people were in danger because they refused to leave the area.  Those people were in greater danger because of violent criminals looting TVs (talk about priorities Kayne), raping and shooting one another.  Those people were allowed to exists in that condition because the Governor of Louisiana did not declare martial law and send in the national guard.  The guard could have forced citizens to leave their homes and evacuate the city on the buses the mayor did not utilize.  Unfortunately the Mayor and Governor didn't do their job, but every liberal piece of shit is placing the burdon of blame on Bush.
  This was a fucking tragedy; a natural disaster that no one was prepared for.  It amazed me how low some of you bastards will go to get a political edge.  Many of you claim Bush knew about 9/11 and allowed it to happen.  Now many of you claim that Bush's environmental policy caused the hurricane itself and Bush chose not to act because the people affected were poor, black or both.  Rather than blame an act of God (in the legal sense, take nothing more from that comment) on Bush, just help the fucking people in need.  However don't forget that these people had oppurtunity and fair warning and are not only victims of this hurricane but of their own stupidity.  I pray that these people make it through this ok, but for once can you liberal bastards not take the first oppurtunity you see to spin reality and blame it on the Republicans?  Just out of curiosity, what natural disaster or deadly event won't be the fault of the GOP, can you even fathom a situation?  I really believe that some of you are borderline retarded to believe some of this shit :no:

Ah!! Finally I understand, it's not the fault of the President who remained on vacation, but all the dumb poor people who couldn't afford to leave their homes.

Phew, thanks for clearing that up Guns N RockMusic.

Yea.

And then he'll say in the same sentence:

 It amazed me how low some of you bastards will go to get a political edge.

Then place blame on the victims,