Here Today... Gone To Hell!

This may give us an idea of what CD could be like. It has taken the? band about 5 or 6 years to make this album.? That is how long the oringal band was together 87-93. Lets just say that Gnr worked on their first album for 6 years, like this new gnr they would have had close to 60 songs to choose from.? So lets take AFD, Lies and the UYIs and make a 14 track cd.

1. WTTJ
2. Night Train
3. Mr Brownstone
4. SCOM
5. PC
6. Patience
7. don?t cry
8. nov rain
9. coma
10. civil war
11. breakdown
12.? locomotive
13.? estranged
14.? ycbm

If the old gnr took as long as the new band to release an album this could have been the track listing. So this could give us a window how great CD is going to be. If the? band really did make close to 40 songs min and max 60 songs they will pick the best 12-15. Just think how amazing it should be. Also like CD this set list only has 4 rockers and the rest are epics and a few ballads.

 ::)

that was utterly brilliant logic dave.  :rofl:

you forgot to mention one small detail .. these are two very seperate bands!!

Saul if? you are not going to add anything dont spam the thread. Of coarse your failed attempted at witty logic, you totally missed the point of the thread.? ?So next time you dont have anything to add just dont post at all, this is not the gnr b ar. Dont try to turn this into a new gnr vs old gnr thread. Now get? back on topic. The point you totally missed about this simple thread is that if  you really look at it, CD is going to be the greatest hits of the new gnr since they are going to pick the best 12-15 songs they have worked on over the past 6 years. They suppostely scrapped a lot of the songs that could have made up 3 albums.  So CD is going to be the best of the best of this new  band.

Yea I feel you dude. I have no problem at all with the whole 4 rocker and the rest more challenging shit. I have secretly wished for Axl to expand his horizons because he has the voice of a god. I always envisioned Axl doing trippier and deeper music like Zepplin with a little Pink Floyd added to the mix. Part of the genius of the mans voice is that it sounds different depending on your mood. I remember being real stoned when the UYI's were released and I heard the Garden, and whoa... this whole new world for Axl just appeared. His voice cuts and penetrates your skull and pulls your soul through your minds eye. Serious his voice has been so utterly misused over the past couple decades its made me mental. There is so much untapped shit that he could (and should) go with that voice and his godgiven songwriting ability.

I have a real feeling he wanted to go into this netherworld music direction, and because of all the fucking idiots who keep trying to pigeon hole him (like the stupid fuckin fans, and the old members) that he feels he can't stray to far off from the GNR sound. Its like he was attempting baby steps.

Man, I don't know if you people even know what Im talking about so I'll stop here.

Excellent point, Saul.  Mr. DaveGnr2k66 is comparing apples and oranges.  If you, me, and 3 nobodies off the street recorded 60 songs and took the best 15, they would still be lame.  Just because you're selecting the best songs in your vaults doesn't make them any good.  I'd rather have 15 songs from a great band then the best 15 out of 60 from a mediocre band.  The original GnR had one of rock's best guitarists, a top bass player, and a fantastic rhythm guitarist that wrote many of the songs.   The lead singer was raw, young, vibrant, and had a whiny, shrill, powerful voice.  The band was young and hungry and a product of the streets.  The nu GnR has gone through plenty of musicians, lacks a top lead guitarist, lacks any other song writers, and has an aging lead singer whose best vocal days are behind him.The band is not youong, is clearly not hungry, and is the product of a multi-millionaire recluse.

wow, there goes my happy day ... :(

AGAIN since you dont know how to read. This is not a new gnr vs old gnr thread. Why do people like you and saul always? try and turn postive new gnr threads into new vs old? Just get a life and stop spamming these threads. It gets very tiredsome. So get back on topic.? We already have a thread for gnr vs vr members so go post in that if you dont wnat to talk about CD in this therad. You and saul should? really stop being so immature and trying to be witty and instead just talk about the topic at hand.

thats a load of rubbish

lets just say the old band took 6 years toi make an album, be real dude, thats just pure speculation

It still doesnt tell us ANYTHING about the "quality" of democracy dave. Your logic is very very flawed. This isnt about old gnr VS new GNR ... all I'm saying is that the new band could take another couple decades recording music but that doesnt guarantee that the music will be good. Why would it?! It's dumb to think that way.

I honestly laughed when I read the original post cause I half thought it was a joke , then I realized you were serious and all I can do is roll my eyes to be honest.

Tom Sholz released "boston" 's debut ... it soared up the charts .. he took two years for the followup then almost 7 for the third album. Did he ever write another "more then a feeling" again ... gee , why not? he had YEARS to do it though right?

Fact is , it will be the talent that the "new" band possses that will cement how good or bad the album will be , not how many "years" they've sat around writing and recording it.

Fact is , a TON of the best songs ever recorded were written in minutes. Written and recorded the very same day. Time isnt a huge factor in how good a song is , never was and never will be.

p.s. , old band vs new band and mentioning the gnr bar here? Pretty damn lame man. Drop it allready.

Saul you just keep proving your ignorance when you cannot understand the underlying and simple point of my post. But it?s ok since we have come to expect that from you over the years.? My point is a very valid once, you can claim what ever you want but the point is CD is pretty much a greatest hits of this new band if they were to have released an album in 2000, 2002 and 2004.? I am sorry if you can?t comprehend that. Also the songs on the album how do  you know how long they worked on each track? That just proves you totally missed the point of the thread. I am sorry you cant undestand this simple concept.

hmm ....i can kind of see what you're trying to say. But for a band to make an album with that standard of songs......the worry is that they seem (to wider opinion) like hired members and it all depends, if the reality is different from perception, ?of that it's all Axl's work and what he says goes. ?Or if those guys feel like it's their album or if they are frustrated ect... it's a strange one. ?The ability is obviously there, but it takes more than that to make a great band and songs of that kind of calibre which you used as an example.


From what we have heard over the years, it sounds like Axl has been gathering bits and pieces over the years. ?From different musicians and producers, there must be loads to work from and it seems like he is collecting and cutting things together. ?Get's bored, changes the track some more, changes his mind again. ?It sounds very chaotic. ? Of course let's not forget that the original band were chaotic, but they were young and they had a more organic bond.

 And i imagine he has tried many styles during that time. ?I guess that when the old guys left he was very much into Industrial Tech stuff. ?But kind of missed the timing boat for that and i'm guessing he has gone full circle to a more (in Axl's way)basic sound. ?

The Time factor (and money) has added so much un-needed pressure- ?to just release a GOOD album. ?I hope he has the balls to ?release the more daring stuff though. ?SO far, his position and power has been at his advantage, so he could take his time. But if the album for whatever reason failed to match it's expectation (for the wider world, not so much fans) ?then that could change things very much so. ?And in 5 years he's going to be knocking on 50 and ?no matter how good his work is from now, people will just think why did he waste all that time and talent? ?

But hey he is one magnetic genius, I look forward to hearing some music instead of rumours and lawsuits. Let's hope he delivers soon ?and starts blowing our minds with fantastic music.

So what if it is the greatest hits of the new band david? They havent had one yet. By your logic I could sit around for 10 years and record 100 songs , then pick the best 10 and release them and they would be as good as the old gnr?!

You my friend are the guy who made the comparison to the old band in your original post. It's just an absurd way of looking at the situation if you ask me.

Of course it'll be lame, one of you happens to be Axl Rose or a great musicians ?

I don't think you can say it's gonna be amazing based on the fact that they've spent a certain amount of time on perfecting the best songs they've written.

I think it'll be amazing based on the fact that the band has some talented people in it.




/jarmo

Usually, I would tend to agree with you Jarmo, but Contraband was far from amazing in my opinion. Even having such talent as Slash and Duff.

Good point Drew, I totally agree with you. I think it will be amazing, because it can't be otherwise... ;D

I dont think that the years of recording or the talent of the players will make democracy a "sure thing" ... I've always been a believer in band chemistry and no matter if you took the top 20 musicians in the world and shoved them in a room , if they cant learn to gel and if they dont have the right chemistry it wont work.

But with that said , it seems the new band might have chemistry .. they seemed to show it onstage in 2002 , however that translating over into writing and recording new material is a whole different thing. I'm steadfast in my belief that time alone wont make democracy a sure thing when in fact taking all this time to sit on songs , change them and maybe even scrap some stuff could even be worse for the final product.

Whatever it is , I just wanna hear it. I'm confident it will be a very strong album.

dude your not making a point, your saying what if the old band took 6 years to make a record, but they didnt take 6 years so i dont get our point

Dave is so focussed on the new band, he thinks it's standard procedure for everybody to take 6-10 years to make an album.  :hihi:

Yep, that is a very valid reason... ?;D

Good point saul, another SMALL detail is that the old band was actually WORKING on a cd!

 Well, i agree a bit with you bouth. But remember, there is not "only one fact/reason" which will make the album amazing.
To make a perfect album, after a history beeing "one of the greatest bands on the planet" is not easy. I agree with Jarmo whan he says that the band have talented people. That is very important. But that wont necessery make the album amazing. To use your time on the album is also very important. But it means NOTHING, if you cant get anyway with it. One of the most important process in making the record great is communication trough each band members. So everyone in the band have the same goal/and insight on how this record shall be. If you put 7 great players in a band to make a record, the album can be really great, but it can also be a fiasco if they dont have the right goal with how the record shall be.

 Just to use some exc. Tool is one of few bands, who have made better, and better albums, based on the fans point of view. They have alway had verry good communication in the band. And never had any kind of pressure on themself to make a record because of theyr recordcompanys contract or anything. They have sideprosjects with other band after they have done a release and tour with Tool, to make them focus on something else. And then they find more inspiration for Tool again when they get together, and they have also grown as musicans, and come up with new ideas to make the next record grown from the last, but still sounds like have the tradisional Tool sound.
 
 Well, im not gonna get of Topic. But i belive Axl knows how to do this, but he wont walk to near the edge. GNR rerecorded Appetite, to make the band sound like the old guns. In one way that is really important for the oldtime fans out there. The new Record got to sound like Guns N Roses. If not, its gonna be a failure. But with new elements, and modifictions. There is where the new GNR members means alot!! To make it a bit newsounding and speciall, updated!
It seams like the new members have some Good communication, and know where they are going with this. Maybe that also is a reason why Buckethead is no longer in the band. Because he dident get that much along wiht the others, like Tommy f.eks. And thats the reason why the OLD GNR breakup, becouse they lost theyr longtime communication which they had in the Appetite, and illusion era. Axl was the onlyone who whanted to modyfy the music, and move on, and dont get stuck with something they had already done. Duff, Slash dident understand that. They just whanted to play outdated rock n roll who just had been buryed by the Grunge music, and other new styles on the mid 90s... Axl understood this. And he still does, thats why i belive, and have faith on the new Guns N`Roses album. But yes, they can also fail, if (like i said earlyer) they walk to near the edge, and is loosing theyr identity from the GNR sond. Thats what Metallica did in the mid 90! Axl wont do that!

 - Nytunz -

DaveGnr2k112903, why must you stoop to insults in every thread? YOu tell me I can't read. You tell Saul he is ignorant.  You take things so personally when someone has any type of criticism for nu GnR. Are you in the band?

But, back to the topic that YOU started ---

Taking a long time to record an album doesn't make it good and doesn't make it a greatest hits CD.  To assume it would assumes that the more songs you write, the better chance you have to get 15 great ones.  This is flawed logic.  You may only write 8 and they could be gems. Or you could put out a double album and still only have 8 good ones on it.  It's quality, not quantity.  And with rotating musicians, and most of all, an obvious lack of any spontaneity, why should we assume there are so many gems in there? We've all heard Rhiad, Silkworms, Oh My God, and CD. Many people say those are great b/c they like anything by Axl but be realistic.  None of those are even remotely gems and none of them hold a candle to the tracks we've all grown up on from AFD, Lies, or UYI. 

This thread is not in any way relevant to how CD is going to be.  Nothing is for that matter.

If I remember correctly Duff actually was on Axl's "team", it was Slash and Matt who wanted to continue the AFD road.

I think that CD is going to be amazing because some how I feel that Axl is also tormented by the fear of not succeed in. I just hope he hasn't ditched all the industrial elements.. but I'm sure we're going to get some great stuff.

There is no evidence  whatsoever that CD is, or will be, a greatest hits compilation of the new band. Just because you (Dave) say  it will be, does not mean it will be. There  is absolutely nothing to support this claim-no supporting statements from management, from  the band, or most  importantly, from Axl. So, really, it is an empty assertion.

Yep, nytunz. Nowadays they don't have to hang out with each other all the time to communicate.
Look at us!?!

Also Same to you, Buddha, n others I don't want to hear a mere extension of those old sounds. I want   fresh sounds of today's GN'R.

The band has the members not only talented but also patient as job and a dedicated leader who can  brings out musicians latent abilities.

And yep, haste makes massive wastes while Axl makes CD.  :yes:

I agree that a bunch of good musicians doesn't mean a good band.
By contraries Slashead and the 3 nobodies off the street Band might make a great band. Who knows.

I am A fan of band works. The critical element in music is harmony and in rock music the musical chemistry of a band. that's what it's all about.

And some of the new songs prove that they have it.
At least I hear it. that's why I'm here.

Interesting dave.. Anything is possible.. I just think people try to justify the wait by? trying some out there logic.. Would this work for any band who kept their lead singer??? ?They have talented players beside that it's all guess work.. I can only go by what I have heard so far.

Just to add when gnr did their amazing music they were living off the streets writing about real life matters hungry to make it... No it doesn't mean you need to be broke living together in some roach infested room... They had hunger and music was the only thing in their lives back then.. Now it's a rich man with other things to do in life besides make a big record..

It's like the longer the wait the better album we get and it doesn't matter that the band finished the music in 2003. CD's like a great wine... keep it in a dark and dry place, and lock the doors. Work on it and then bury the whole thing. It'll perfect.

How did

11. breakdown
12.? locomotive

get into your best 14 songs of the GNR catalogue?? I wouldn't even put them on a reworked single cd of the illusion albums.? I mean they are interesting songs, but really they were album filler as far as the rest of the songs on UYI in my opinion.? ? Anyways I digress from your topic...

There is no evidence that Axl has completed any songs other than the ones played in the 2001-2002 tours, oh and I wouldn't count IRS either.? ?The 6 years in the making of CD doesn't have any correlation to the number of songs written by the orignal members of GNR in the '87-93 period, especially as some songs were written earlier than '87 and all the orignals were released by '91 and would have been released a year earlier if not for Axl relaying the vocals.? ?Also, why has the words of this A&R guy been written in stone as the truth as to what's coming out on the new album?

ppbebe, is there a way i can get a translator for your posts? ???? I have no idea what your point is .... ever.

And Dave, please try not to confuse your crazy dreams of what CD is going to be with actual reality.? I can only imagine with the logic and intelligence you're using that you must be the mayor of Boston

I think Madagascar and Blues are gems. OMG is a fan's song and it definately grows on you, much like IRS. So what's your point by pointing out 3 songs (Rhiad, Silkworms, OMG) which most likely won't even be on CD?

GIS how did? I insult you? You really need a clue and i am sorry if you cant understand my simple point. Like I said? you and saul tried to turn this into a new vs old thread and that is fine its what you both do.? ?I am sorry if you were not smart enough to understand my simple point.

Also you are very immature esp since  you claim I insulted you yet you keep mocking my user name. You should really try and grow up you dont make yourself look good when do keep doing that. What are  you 5 or something?

To me, IRS, Rhiad, Chinese Democracy, OMG are the gems.
It will take time till the blues and maddy grow on me.

noizzynofuture, what parts you mean? it would be helpful if you could point them out.

You need to come back to reality, please. I know that the VR album was really terrible but come back to earth. I can bet you this much that CD is going to be better than anything Contraband has put out. I know you, saul, sig and KK are all saddened that slash cant write a good song with out Axl and it even pains you guys even more that Axl is just as good with out slash and duff.  You are just bitter and that is ok, we all feel your pain.

No evidence? Really? I guess you should really learn to read. Brain May said he had 2 or 3 albums of completed materal done and that was a few years ago, plus pretty much everyone in the band and merk have said the album is pretty much done cept for axl touching up vocals.  You really need a reality check like your little click, that think Axl only has 2 songs done.

As for the A and R guy, he just passed Axl in the hall, yet  he knows what is going on with CD? That is funny, that is a great source dont you think? Maybe if your little world but we live in the real world. Nice try though.

  BuddhaMaster,  I've never indulged in the wacky weed, never have never will...but I'll tell you this, we are on the same page when it comes to your post.  Very good post.  BTW, if they did legalize it, we'd have less violent crime.  ;)

  Also, Davegnfnr2k, I like your post too.  There is alot of potential with the time it's taken.  However, there will always be a couple of songs someone's not crazy about.  Like for me (My World, Bad Apples, Get in the Ring, So Fine, etc.)   It's inevitable.  Axl's chase for perfection will leave him disappointed in the end.  If he's just searching for a kick-ass fuckin' album, we'll be sitting pretty.   : ok: 

Btw Im just waiting for bookers two cents.

Totally agree with you there...

 I jus want them to stay origonal.... GNR are legends, and i hope to god that they dont bring any of this new Rock shit out ... i swear to god i would jus die if that ever happened...

Buckethead and Tommy Stinson are excellent songwriters. To say that this new band doesnt have any other songw riters is being ignorant and dumb. The jury is out on Finck. The jury is also out on how Bucket, Tommy, Robin and the rest of the band can make a song together. All we have are a handful of songs and by the sound of it thus far they sure can.

What does age have to do with anything? You guys dont think Axl is hungry? You dont think he wants to make the best possible album he can make? Isnt that hunger? Just because hes not living in the gutter doesnt mean he doesnt have goals. If Axl didnt have any hunger and was just fukin around with his millions he would have put out a few albums by now. For any1 to say Axl is not hungry to make music is being pretty dumb.
He may not be hungry enough to care whether you like him or not but he sure as hell is hungry to make the music he wants to make.

As for this thread. I mean time really isnt a factor in regards to a great album. It could take a few days or it could take years. For all we know the "hits" made by this band could have been mad ein 2 days. Other things could be holding up the album not just songs.  What should matter is that when that particular album comes out...its great. How it got to be great or how long it took will be irrelevant as long as its music to your ears.

In a perfect world we all want this new band to be out there tearin it up showin these wangsta bands how its done. But we are in Axsl world. We are in GNrs world. And that world isnt perfect boys and girls.

So you just have to deal with it or move on. But in the end no matter what world it is as long as the album is great then thats all thats gonna matter for your lifetime and all the lil boys and girls lifetimes who discover old and or new gnr. The drama and frusterations will be long gone. All that will be left is an album. And the music that comes from that album will ultimately decide whether its a great album or not.

IRS blows away any rocker that VR did.  VR could only dream of making a song as great or as catchy as IRS and IRS that we heard was just a demo.  I think slash forgot how to make good songs, its too bad he does not have Axl to pull the best out of him, its obvious that Scott cant do that and lets slash just have ass his songs like slash always wanted to do but Axl would never let him.

Dave is absolutely right on the mark here, IRS kicks ass.  However, the "Slash half-assing" comment, I can't go along with that.  Yes, Axl and Slash had great chemistry...maybe Scott and Slash just need some time to get there, because obviously they don't have it yet.  I don't think Slash, and definitely not Axl, would half-ass his work.   :peace: 

Slash has not done anything as memorable in VR as he did with gnr. That is what I was saying. And I dont see how I am wrong. It was sad that slash even had to rip off gnr riffs and put them in VR songs. Axl didnt take anything from old gnr and make it into the new gnr. He pretty much reinvented the band. The blues is UYI-ish but he still didnt rip off old lyrics or old riffs like slash did with Vr.

Oh yeah, Axls really moved on. Apart from keeping the name GNR and touring in 2002 playing a majority of songs that the old band wrote, he's right on the cutting edge alright.

You are so full of it Dave. These last couple of posts of yours, even by your standards are pitiful.

IRS sounds like an Appetite rocker, so how is this any different from Contraband having some similar sounds? Slash was the guitarist in GNR, of course some of his riffs are going to sound similar. What you fail to recognise is that Slash wrote those GNR riffs, not Axl. Those overwraught epics you hold so dear (NR, Estranged etc..) wouldnt be half the songs  they are without Slashs soaring, aching solos.

All you can hark back to is the brilliance of Madagascar, The Blues etc..
Ive said it before and I'll say it again, at this point in time, Axls new material post 93 has been a chequered affair at best.
The Blues sounds like it could be a classic (although hardly a progession which nullifies your argument), Madagascar is an overwrought and frankly mediocre song that sounds neither here nor there, CD sounds promising as does IRS (although again, no huge leaps really) while OMG sounds half baked and a mess basically while the rest such as Rhiad and Silkworms are an absolute disgrace.

It's particularly hilarious how you always go on about Axl bringing the best from Slash etc..
How about we reverse this and suggest that Slash and Izzy got the best from Axl. Do the math, when Axl was coupled with Slash and Izzy, he was in the most popular rock band on the planet with a slew of the most powerful rock songs that remain to this day. Without them, what? A couple of reasonable songs, 1 standout and a bunch of duds in 11 years?

Sometimes I wonder if your posts are a joke, that perhaps you are playing the devils advocate and just like to stir things up and infact you really are a GNR fan in diguise as an Axl zealot.

Either way, there are some issues that require urgent attention Dave.

I feel the need again to put this IRS issue in perspective. IRS isn't just better then anything VR ever did. Its better then any Rock song in over 15 years. Yea that even includes the UYI's. You can tell me otherwise...


...but you'd be wrong.

haha, youre such a joker dude

umm. I can name countless rockers that are better than IRS in the last 15 years, there are too many to list here, but hey, everyones entitled to an opinion

dont get me wrong, I think IRS could be an awesome rocker, but lets get some perspective here

oh.... my .... fucking ... GOD !

Alright crackers...

So what are they? From your POV, what Rock tracks are as fucking cool as IRS? What I said might seem bold to you, buts its real.

...can't wait to hear what you funboys think is cooler then the demo of IRS.

Jimmy if anyone is pitiful its you. I did not want it to come to this but it did so here goes.

#1 About Axl not moving here. First off, he has moved on, yes he kept the name but he was in gnr before slash and duff, and he was the only orginal member to not quit the band. Also, why wouldnt he play the old songs, the fans want to hear them when they go to a guns n roses show, so he gave us what we wanted.  Axl even said the reason for the tour was to blow off some steam since they were in the studio for so long.  So how didnt axl move on again?

#2 IRS sounds NOTHING like anything off of AFD and NOTHING like contraband. What songs on either of those albums does IRS sound like?

#3 Slash blatenered sampled the SCOM riff and a few other classic gnr riffs and put them on contraband, and why? Because he could not come up with anything fresh, new and good. So he had to do  retread of the stuff he wrote before. That is pathetic.

#4 About slash and izzy getting the best of Axl, that is true in part but Axl doesnt need them like they need axl. Slash and duff need axl more than they need him and  contraband proves that.  Axl still works his butt off and writes amazing lyrics while Slash cant write anything close to what he did in GNR because just plays something and think its fine even tho it can be better. The blues, IRS and madagascar are all up there with some of the best songs ever for gnr, while VR songs are not even close.   As for nov rain and estranged not  being as good without slashs riffs, that is just not true. If they were just piano based they would still be amazing. Much like an Elton John or Billy Joel song.

#5 Your comments about the blues, irs and madagascar and what you say about contraband is just laughable. But since its your opinion to each his own, but like I said madagascar is one of the best gnr songs ever written.

#6 As for my posts being jokes. People like you crack me up. You can hail how amazing the medorice contraband album is yet when someone thinks that a new gnr song is amazing you just cant understand it.  When its all said and done CD will be released something people like you, booker, SIG and the other nay sayers are hoping never comes because its going to prove that Axl was the genious in guns n roses and prove that Slash just does not have it anymore. So have your fun now while it lasts, the true fans that have stood by guns n roses through think and thin will have the last laugh.

#7 I just wonder what will happen if God forbid  CD is better than AFD. I know people like you and the ususal suspects would never admit, but if that day ever comes, I bet most of you would never show your face on the board again.

I am too tired and am not doing to bother spell checking this, so dont bother talking shit about my spelling since I am sure  you will since you just got owned.

Going back to the original post... I have to agree with the many people who said "Your logic is flawed Dave"

It just doesn't make sense.. If the old GN'R waited 6 years to make their first album, then the freaking UYI album songs wouldnt be there! You think November Rain woulda came out on GN'R's first record!? If GN'R spent 6 years.. then all the songs would sound roughly like Appetite. Cuz thats what their mindset was. Its doubtful that a bunch of guys from the streets,  living in poverty would create NR, Estranged, or Coma.

If the new GN'R put out Chinese Democracy in 2002 the songs they'd create in 2004 would be WAYYY different then the songs they created in 2004 with out Chinese Democracy. Do you understand?

Its hard to explain.. but what your saying doesnt make sense. Just try and read what i wrote throughly.

   -jack

"I am too tired and am not doing to bother spell checking this, so dont bother talking shit about my spelling since I am sure? you will since you just got owned."

This part cracked me up the most? :rofl: Dave, I dont need to be so petty as to pick on your spelling - theres a wealth of factual inaccuaracies, misquotes, vague assertions, and downright lies I can focus on.

"So how didnt axl move on again?"

Um, how about in 12 years not releasing an album hes promised his fans years ago, clinging on to the GNR name, failed tours, little to no communication with fans, slandering his former colleagues in the press etc.. etc.. . But no, its Slash and Duff with their multi platinum new band, grammy wins, hit singles, and sold out tours, not to mention wives and families, that havent moved on.

#2 IRS sounds NOTHING like anything off of AFD and NOTHING like contraband. What songs on either of those albums does IRS sound like?

Thats my opinion that it sounds like something off AFD Dave - I might add that several other people here have thought the same thing. Nowhere have I compared it to anything on Contraband Dave, nice try though. How about you describe to me what it sounds like? Id be interested to hear why it's so groundbreaking and unique.


3 Slash blatenered sampled the SCOM riff and a few other classic gnr riffs and put them on contraband, and why?

Again, like I said in my last post, Slash wrote those riffs and no one else. They are as much his signature as Axls raspy scream. So by that logic if Axl has any raspy screams on CD, he is rehashing old ideas? Haha - lets see how you can justify that one Dave?? :hihi:

Axl still works his butt off

haha this one really takes the cake. Yeah, no album in 12 years and failed tours /riots. Yeah Axls dilligance has really benefited his fans right?

As for nov rain and estranged not? being as good without slashs riffs, that is just not true. If they were just piano based they would still be amazing. Much like an Elton John or Billy Joel song.

I for one, will listen to Elton John and Billy Joel if I want to hear that type of music, not GNR. Slash took those songs somewhere else, otherwise they would have been just good piano ballads, not the classic songs they are.

5 Your comments about the blues, irs and madagascar and what you say about contraband is just laughable.

People like you crack me up. You can hail how amazing the medorice contraband album

Again, where I have I stated that contraband is a brilliant album? Quote me, I never have. More bullshit Dave. You saying this is missing the point entirely.

have your fun now while it lasts, the true fans that have stood by guns n roses through think and thin will have the last laugh.

Rubbish. I want CD to be brilliant and a success. You can look over several posts where Ive stated as much. The difference is Im not prepared to rewrite GNR history by claiming that Axl was solely responsible for their success/brilliance. Thats the difference between a GNR fan and a blind Axl zealot. A true fan will also call Axl out when he treats his fans like shit.

#7 I just wonder what will happen if God forbid? CD is better than AFD. I know people like you and the ususal suspects would never admit, but if that day ever comes, I bet most of you would never show your face on the board again.

If its an amazing album Ill be more than happy to say so and share ideas with other fans. People like you will never realise that AFD was a moment in time that can never be repeated, no matter how good CD is. a) its an entirely different band and b) a different time and circumstance. Comparing the two will be futile and is the kind of puerile comparison that Ive come to expect of you Dave.

So now I await you to resort to personal attacks, name calling and childish insults.
the response of someone who really got owned? :hihi: :hihi:

umm, most of Soubndgardens Superunknown and Badmotorfinger
several tracks of Angel Dust by Faith no More
several Janes Addiction tracks
several off Green Days latest
several off Elephant by White Stripes
Nirvana?
AIC?
Pearl Jam?

Take your pick dude, theres too many to get into

your the fuckin' man : ok: : ok:

Awsome thinkin'

spot on dude, but SAUL is right ya know, they r' totally different bands, the origenal would have OD and died by the time Chi-Dem came out.    :hihi: :hihi: :rofl: :rofl: :o


CHINESE FUCKIN' DEMOCRACY :beer: :beer:

You know dude, I don't want to come off as slagging off on some of these bands. With the exception of Soundgarden and JA, IRS is the least paint by numbers of any on this little safe tickle me Elmo list of yours. Beyond that, IRS is the sum of its parts, and has a freshness to it, that is undeniable. It kicks your ass, in a very deliberate and focused way. Its got this Axl swagger, I thought was long gone. It has been way too long since a Rock track kicks you in the face but has new innovations in its structure that everytime you listen to it, you can pick up on something new.

And dude, depending on your state of mind, this shit can effect you moreso then any "rocker" has any right to.

Listen man, I am not into faith no more, and I never was. Same with Green Day. But all the others I am more then familiar with. I can't think of any that are even remotely comparable. And this is all based off a fucking demo which further cements its greatness.

IRS is that fucking crazy thing where (baring any final production misteps) is the capturing the magic in a bottle variety. I know you think I am being outrageous. But one day, I promise you, you will be listening to it when all the shit is right around you, and you will understand.

Why does something have to be frozen in tine aka memorable to be something good.. I really like contraband and I think there are some really good songs on the album..  Just because it won't be remembered for the next 25 years doesn't make something crap. A lot of artists after moving on from the band that made them a world sucess still do good music but they are no longer on that mainstream wave that made anything they did memorable so nothing seems memorable..

I loved 90 percent of the old gnr tunes, but nothing newer to me is anything memorable.. Memorable can be viewed in so many different ways.. Something memorable to us may not be memorable to the rock world..

I'm sure some would say the stuff greenday is releasing now is " memorable" yet I think it's just the same crap and tone he has been doing for years...
As for irs being better then anything vr did, that is strictly opinion.. There's nothing to validate that statemement.. You can say slash needs axl or he hasn't done anything "memorable" (never knew all music must be memorable) but I don't care because he's out there being a musician and doing what he likes.. He has the ability to do longer solos or make them more complicated but he chose not to (even though I enjoy the cb solos)

then again the same people hates snakepit which had some great guitar work.. :rofl:

I thought you didn't wanna make this about Axl vs Slash or Old vs New....   ::)




/jarmo

IRS came up on my Winamp, and i was brushing my teeth in the bathroom, i wasn't sure if the *sound* came from my computer speakers or that my sink was about to explodes ...



comparing IRS to a VR song .... i mean ....come on.

I'm so glad somebody pointed that out!  : ok:

haha thats funny reight there, you should be a comedian dude

Don't see anything funny about that quote dude. And if you knew a thing about it, you would know that that is the truth. Shit fool, Slash had to create Slash's Snakepit, that was basically an album full of music that Axl regected for GN'R. Slash was the first to admit it. Wise up lady.

dave-gnfnr2k your posts always crack me up :rofl:, Whenever you give your opinion about something you make it sound like it's a fact that's just fucking ridiculous man! :-\

geez guys, I can't believe you are still posting on this board!!!  I mean, from what dave has told me in the past, if you say anything negative about Axl Rose then you aren't a fan of the band and that equates to you not being allowed to post here. 

By the way, what was that brilliant statement he made?  Axl busts his ass for his fans?  One of you hit the nail on the head with that one.... haha no album, a shitty single on a soundtrack, a failed tour featuring 2 riots and a slew of cancelled appearances.  Get that man some Kool-Aid, he has been working tooooo hard lately!!!!

When wasn't there turbulence with GNR and Axl? How riots did GNR have, but now you want to talk shit about Axl? What a hypocrite. Shit, you remember the kid that died at one of GNR's shows. Axl is what Axl does, and any shit can go down with GNR from the past and the GNR of now.

"One of you hit the nail on the head with that one.... haha no album, a shitty single on a soundtrack, a failed tour featuring 2 riots and a slew of cancelled appearances.  Get that man some Kool-Aid, he has been working tooooo hard lately!!!!"

This dumbass quote could have easily have been written in 1989

my point is that the guy has never worked hard before and never will.  He does what he wants at his pace and if you don't like it its too bad.  Not saying its a bad thing, but big dave feels that he is an extremely hard worker.  Credit should not be given if it is not deserved.

And I guess I know how young Buddha feels about Axl.   :love:

How young I feel about Axl? Is that some queer pickup line?

Your goin off about what your point is, but what the hell are you goin off about? You are in a GNR message board dude, and you want to talk shit about a fan of Axl's? That is some Dee Dee Dee retarded shit. Shit I wonder if this goes on with other groups? where people take there time to sign up and register, then talk shit about the fans being fans. You must be one board mother effer to be be wasting your time like that.

Read my disclaimer on my sig. You really should learn to read.  It was for booker but it can be for simpletons like you too.

I didnt but Saul and Co did and you allowed it, so I went with it. Not my fault.

What songs? And why are you going to the 90s for a lot of the songs. Name the songs not bands.

Again taking what I said out of context. Dont put words in my mouth because you are not smart enough for that.  Like I said, I find it funny that is always ok to talk bad about Axl yet when someone talks bad about Slash oh no that is blasphomy.  What I also said was, if  you are just going to come here to rag on Axl then no you should not post here. Why would you post on a board that you hate or dislike the singer. It would be like someone going to a BSB board and talking bad about the band. So if you are going to claim something I said, atleast get it correct.

i named the albums because my whole point was there are too many songs to name.
the 90's? come on Dave, sharpen up boy
It was in response to Buddha claiming IRS is the best rock song of the last 15 years? so the 90's is pretty much relevant here.

My personal opinion of the best song of the last 15yrs?
The Day I tried to live - Soundgarden

My point was since IRS is new why not pick a song atleast from the last few years? You had to go back to the 90s just to find bands songs that can come close.? I love greendays album but not one song on that album comes close to IRS.? I know the 90s was in the 15 year spectrem but come on now, try and name something current since IRS is current to the new gnr. My point was you named pretty much every band that was around in the 90s. Why not anything newer? Its because you know that IRS is better than anything out there right now.

How does slash get into each conversation that says soemthing negative about axl? Fuck if slash was fucking us over and lying about albums or taking forever on something he drew my attention on I would be like he's slacking too..

Most of the bullshit isn't about axl's talent it's about the wasted time and the fans sitting around with their thumbs up their asses waiting..

many people turn negative feeling towards axl into well contraband isn't as good as gnr tunes or slash needs axl to get him to work harder..

For forum's sake I would love to see the arguments people would have if there wasn't an ex member album to cry about and say how it doesn't live up to what axl does or what he is capable of doing..

if I didn't fall in love with irs it doesn't mean someone needs to say well it's better then anything off contraband.. Everyone is free to like or dislike the album but my feelings towards IRS personally has nothing to do with vr, slash's capablitites or contraband..

excellent post dave, that's an interesting way to look at it.

Mike here is what starting the whole contraband and slash stuff.


I tried to get people to steer clear of that but everyone joined in so I did also. Just look at my posts before that one. I didnt want this thread to go down that road, but the usual suspects made it.

I dont understand how my post about, bascailly the CD is going to be new gnrs greatest hits since they were supposted to have had three albums out by now if they started putting out the first album in 1999, and the quality could be something like the orginal bands GHs which i listed if they took that long. And that turned into a new vs old thread .

Wow, just Wow.

dave don't try and act like I brought new gnr vs vr into this conversation.. I quoted you so please.. I simply said if a person that if a person says something negative about your post or irs it doesn't mean hey lets say contraband isn't as good or bring in slash's lack of playing on it or however else you feel..

If people don't see your point in how afd /illusions in 5-6 years shows me how the new album with different players can be similar you jump into how it's better then contraband..

I said they have potential but was much more impressed by the original gnr's work over the new one.. That is why I am unsure of your theory.. : ok:

all this vr new gnr why axl is going to make a great album or why it's cool it's taking so long is getting so fucking boring already.. God these forums need music n shows to talk a bout.. :yes: :'(

I never said  you did, where did you get that from?  And like I said I joined in since that was where the thread started to go. Like I pointed out in drews post that mentioned contraband.

I had saw the mike here is what starting the whole contraband and slash stuff.. I thought you were pointing me out for some reason..

So what if Axl cancels a few appearances, he donated proceeds from a song towards saving dolphins dude!! :D

OH I almosted missed your reply jim.


Again you have not explained how Axl has not moved on. Him taking since 1999 to release an album has nothing to do with him not moving on. ?Moving on has to do with putting the old band behind him, something he has done yet slash and duff have not, just look at the lawsuits as one example. You dont understand what moving on is do ?you? Also Grammys dont mean shit since just look at who wins them, its a bunch of old guys who vote. AFD never won any grammys so by your logic contraband is better than AFD right?

If IRS sounds like something off of AFD then what songs on of AFD does it sound like? Name one. Because IRS sounds nothing like an AFD type song.

About you comparing Slash ripping off riffs from AFD to Axls screams being the same thing is a joke right? If you really think that then all hope is lost for you. How are Axls singing style and slash taking a riff he made for AFD and using it again on contraband the same thing? ?Nice logic there.

I guess you did not read what people said about axl being in the studio for like 12 hours at a time working on this album and fine tuning it to make it pefect. How is that not working your butt off? As for it benifiting the fans, we wont know until the album is released but juding from IRS, the blues and madagascar if those are really the fillers of the album like Axl and merk claim then CD is going to be well worth the wait.

As for Axl ?being soley resposible for the sucess of gnr. That is pretty much a fact. ?Axl was the one with a vision, and the one who drove the band to be the biggest band in the word in the 90s since the beatles. Slash, duff and Izzy were conent with being a club band but Axl wanted the band to the great. ?Axl is the main reason for gnrs sucess, as for the band and their songs, Axls songs over the others have stood the test of time. Just look at izzys and duffs songs most of them cept for a few gems have not while axls are still great. ?yes they all had a hand in making gnr great, but Axl was the main driving force of the band. Just look at Contraband, slash and duffs solo stuff, that proves my point right there.

As for AFD never being repeated, of coarse its going to, they say that about every huge album but alas it always happens. Can Axl strike gold again only time will tell but another band will come along and strike fire again like gnr did with AFD.

The End.

"The Day I tried to live - Soundgarden"

Man no, just no. Listen, I am a big Soundgarden fan, and this is a great song. But it is NOT IRS great. I understand this is your opinion though. The Day I tried to live is not even as memorable, innovative, or has the replayability of IRS. Man, you are just proving me right if that is your pic over IRS. I repeat:

IRS is the greatest Rocker of the last 15 years. And I am not even asking for a current song. You guys pick any from the 90's on. This all hit me one night, and as a music fan, I couldn't think of any that hit me in this immediate and gratifying way as IRS does.

You like "I.R.S.," we get it, but stick to speaking for yourself.  : ok:

I like IRS beyond comparison and I share Buddha's feeling.

I don't know there's something in this "early demo" song and that touches the right chord.

Bad day at the office old man? I always speak for myself. I will encourage my kid to do the same to. You try it sometime. 

Listen dude, I have been on here a long time. I have never came out about a song the way I am with IRS. The song hits me hard. If that for some reason is giving you a problem, then that is yours alone.  : ok:
Everything is going to be alright man. Take a walk around the block and get some fresh air.

 ::)  Well thats a lame response.

But whats even more lame is pretending that your opinion is so worthy and objective that you feel compelled to challenge others to give their own so that you can answer, "Man, no, just no."  Again, you really like "I.R.S.," youve made it abundantly clear.  Turning your overzealousness into a competition is just silly.

No evidence? Really? I guess you should really learn to read. Brain May said he had 2 or 3 albums of completed materal done and that was a few years ago, plus pretty much everyone in the band and merk have said the album is pretty much done cept for axl touching up vocals.? You really need a reality check like your little click, that think Axl only has 2 songs done.

As for the A and R guy, he just passed Axl in the hall, yet? he knows what is going on with CD? That is funny, that is a great source dont you think? Maybe if your little world but we live in the real world. Nice try though.

I read every news article posted on this site and in the wider press.? What the band, the A&R guy and Brian May said is still all hearsay, not tangible evidence.

Is there another copy of this out there other than the scratchy radio edit that was almost unlistenable?  I must have missed this, please tell me if I am wrong!

Here we go again ::), when someone criticizes you somehow you always feel the need to bash them, and you say I'm a simpleton pff

Dude I didnt bring up IRS, but felt compelled to contribute to the discussion. You felt compelled to jump on my dick because I somehow offended you. You precious delicate little flower. Turning something into a competition is a game dude. I made a bold statement, and knowing that I proposed a challenge. Anyone reading it, can take it or leave it. I won't lose sleep over it either way.

So, instead of contributing, you threw a tantrum, acting like I took your baby bottle away. The only thing lame here, is you trying to sound superior.

Gonna make it a federal case
Gonna win and knock it outta your face

That is funny? I was replying to poor attempt at wit.? Its not really hard to undestand that when ever anyone talks about a song its always an OPINION so why done people always claim others are stating it as a fact? If it was fact, it would either? be quoted with? a source or I would have said its a FACT that....

Is that really too hard to understand? I even put a disclaimer in my sig and people still claim I am saying my opinion on songs as a fact. If some one is going to crititze me for something that is wrong I am going to call them on it. And I hardly see how calling someone a simpleton is attacking them. Maybe if certain people would actually know what they are talking about they could do that, but its obvious this person has no clue what he/she is talking about since like I said I even have a disclaimer in my sig.

Its called discussion, you should try it some time instead of ignoring his post and just going off topic like  you love to do so much.

Well lets say this theory is true and Axl and Co. have between 40-60 songs done or completed how do we know the 12-15 songs that they decide to put on CD are the best songs how do we know taht several years down the road when a follow up album too CD that contains music from these sessions and we say Wow this is even better then what was on CD are problem is because its been so long we are putting all are chips on this one album i think we need to wait out and see how much music in the long run that we get from these sessions to really say ok CD was the best or whatever comes beyond that. But i have no doubt that whatever does come out on CD will be great music.

Just to add to my previous post how do we even know that it will be just 12-15 songs what if managment and maybe even axl feels lets try to get as much of this material out now what if it were a double album similar to UYI or something really creative as we all know in the world of GnR u never know what to expect i honestly think its almost impossible to speculate what we will get no matter what you hear from whoever.

IRS the best song of the last 15 years? That's fucking hilarious! Jimmy gave some good examples. That not good enough? How about 'Seasons In The Abyss' by Slayer.

Because IMO Sact wants to make  their money  back and would want all the best songs on the first album. What if they decided not to put out another album? Then what? Also why wouldnt they put the best 12-15 songs they have on CD? You really think they would want to hold back a few songs when this album cost $15m  to make?

No one knows but axl and merk have always said there will be around 18 songs.  Id love for a double album but only time wil tell.

Im not disagreeing with you dave im just talking from our stand point we may love CD but can we say at the same time that hypothetically speaking if we do see more albums from these sessions that we say wow these songs were better then the ones on CD i mean i do believe axl said way back when in 2002 that there were atleast 3 albums worth of material in the end it will be up to us as to whether or not what they put out on CD is the best.

I think there is only one way to end this thread.... dave vs. buddha in a game of who can drink what is under the kitchen sink faster!!!  My money is on dave!   : ok:

(I eagerly await a witty response!)

Oh yeah, and I.R.S. is pretty solid for a demo, can't wait for the album version.

I would hope that the band would not hold any songs back and they would put out the 15 or so best they made over the past 6 years.

Ok Dave, enough already with your "sig." And by the way, the correct  spelling is "sentence," not sentance. We all get drunk/stoned/fucked up now and then, or always, but nonetheless spelling is a reflection of who you are and your level of intelligence. So while  your poor grammar and spelling may be dismissed in your posts--owing to the heat of the moment  undoubtedly--the  fact is that you should take the time and care to at least  make sure the words in your signature are spelled correctly.

Oh, and by the way, you never responded to my post that there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER about your claim that CD will be a 'greatest hits'. Just thought I would remind  you. Perhaps inconvenient to you?

The fact of the matter is, logically speaking, we  have 5-6 new songs, half of which are good and half are horrible. On that basis, it would be presumptuous to anyone, even the great Dave, to predict  that CD will be a greatest hits. I am sure that the album  will be above average, but I agree with the previous posts that Axl alone as a songwriter has yet to prove himself, whereas Axl with  Izzy, Duff, and Slash the combo was absolutely brilliant.

KK typical you picking up on a spelling error since you have no leg to stand on. Great work Colombo: ok:
I would not have to keep pointing toward my sig if certain people would just read it and stop claiming when ever I talk about what song I think its better is stated as a fact when in fact it's s not.? As for spelling, its a message board its not school so who cares about grammar or a few spelling mistakes. People just pick on spelling or grammar when they have no leg to stand on they have to go to that.

I already answered your question in another post but of coarse you always miss the important things and just read what you want. So typical. I really get tired of repeating myself for people like you and then others wonder why I call people like you simpletons. That is also why I ignore you repeated questions for things I already answered.

Just look in my original post, and while you are at it look up the word COULD. Thank you. I did know that I needed evidence when I used the word COULD BE. Go figure.

Ps I fixed my sig just for you
 :love:

Theres no wondering why youre called unwittingly ironic.? ;D

But really, insults arent necessary.? : ok:

I can kick any other dad that's in here's ass.  :smoking:

Thank you Dave, now I am able to sleep. I love  you too. :rofl:

Now my life will be complete if  you will please  consult a dictionary in order  to discern the difference  between the word "course" and "coarse." FYI: it is "of course," not "of coarse." You are from America, you should know better. Wow, how  old are you and did you graduate from grade school? Or do you even go to school?

Further, when posing a question, one  does not need "a leg to stand  on," as I posed to you. You, on the other hand, by positing a hypothesis, do in fact need evidence. Of which you have none.
Dave, have a really nice day, as you ponder  these vexing issues in life.  :peace:

Wow. It kinda seems like your backing off with the "15 years" thing eh people  :hihi:? What is it now? The best song in 5 years? 3 years? Hmm..? I think its funny that now your trying to ignore the fact that you were wrong and act all tough with your "Ok ok... the 90's dont count anymore, name something NEW cause I KNOW you cant!"

The whole reason people were pissed is cause of the damn ignorance of the original statment. If you said "the best rock song in awhile" no one woulda been pissed, in fact many would have agreed. Don't take focus off the AMAZING 15 YEAR UNCHALLENGED RULE OF THE MIGHTY IRS. You were practically asking for a aurgument...

    -jack

Once again KK you just keep proving my point by knocking someone?s spelling or grammar instead of sticking to the topic at hand.? Also this topic is all about speculation and talking about what the album could be like, its too bad once again your failure at being amusing or trying to be witty you missed the point of the topic. It?s really sad in your little rant you could not even say one thing about the topic at hand. But thank you Mr. Grammar police, I guess I get a few demerits for my grammatical/spelling error. How great do you feel that you caught it? That is some life you have there, looking for a spelling or grammar error and calling someone on it instead or replying to what I actually said about this topic at hand.

I'm not backing off shit homie. IRS is the best Hard Rocker in 15 + years (yea notice the bold on the plus sign). It isn't igorance. Believe it. Ignorance is the belief in things like demons, devils, and angels. Making my claim (though bold), isn't ignorant. Its reality, based on how hard the song kicks ass. Its based on something real and tangible because I can hear it, and the song exists.

So if the song exists and it does indeed kick ass, then how is that ignorant? I bet you so want to give the cliched "opinions are like assholes" right? I am sticking by my statement. Listen. In the end all a man has, is his family and his word. I don't fuck around with that shit, and treat things like that lightly dog.

I never said the 90's don't count. If you want to get technical about it, Dave said that. I made the initial claim that IRS is the best hard rocker in the last 15 years (now adding a plus sign to that). So what now? You just got yourself all mixed up and shit creating this bizarro world history. But you think you are in a position to call someone else ignorant.

I bet you are tripping now. Is this crazy, or is it so sane it is blowing your mind?

So tell me, what track under my rules is a better track then IRS? One day you will find yourself saying "fuck me....Buddha was right...Buddha was right." this will be followed by an uncontrollable urge to break down and cry. You may not come back here and apologize for your ignorance...but I will know. And I will laugh at you, with the hookah hanging out of my mouth while I recite the abc's...believe it.

Oh Buddha, got to love a good Seinfeld moment.

Well fucking done.  : ok:

I just made a point for him to name something more recent since that is what IRS would be going up against not songs that were released back in the 90s

O man Buddah, you got me. I laughed while reading that. I won't be lame on this forum, I'll admit a fault. Alot of what you said was right, and I was wrong to take your statement and call it ignorant. So while I don't agree with you, I was wrong about diminishing your point of view.

Peace brother :love:

    - Jack

Hybrid Theory from LP and Load from metallica have at least 5 songs each that are better than IRS.
IRS is still a good demo though


just my 0.02

I really hope you kidding with that one. Sure its your opinion but  you really cannot be serious, both of those albums are terrible and dont have one good song on them, let alone a song that even comes close to IRS.

Boy did I laugh  when reading this thread after I abandoned it after the first few pages. People are claiming IRS is the best hard rock song in the last 15 years? Is that actually serious? It isn't even the best Hard Rock song in the last 12 months.  I didn't even think IRS was that good; pretty generic sounding so far although it is a demo.  I've heard better tracks from The Darkness, VR, Avenged Sevenfold, heck I even liked the new Crue song better.  Of course that can be debated but - the best of the last 15 years! - that's just silly.

*SQUARE ALERT*

A square has entered the building

:nervous:
I don't think that can be debated...Dabate doesn't help your hearing. Ops, your taste....No I mean tastes differ.
I know many people like Avril

I don't wanna turn it into another Nu-GN'R vs. VR thing, but I could name some songs from 2004 that IMO are much better than IRS. And a lot from other bands.

Like I said when IRS first appeared online. Its just a demo and its still better than 90% of the stuff on the radio  right now. There are not many songs that are better than it, and even if its not the best, its still up there with the  best and its not even a finished song yet.

Dave, it's a correct summary of the thread. The song really has potential. : ok:

IMO  these 2 albums are masterpieces and if CD is half as good as them it will have surpassed my wildest expectations.
As ppbebe stated tastes differ.
for example  robin's solo in IRS sounds completely  out of tune to me but others have characterized it as spaced out,jazzy,trippy etc.


just my 0.02

not quite sure who or what this is in reference to.  Pretty witty, stuff though. Do you wrote your own materia?

Maybe we should all agree to disagree with anyone who disagrees with Buddha.

Did it again last night. Just tripping you know? Atmosphere perfect, and everything was smooth and in check. Mind wide open. Danced to the shit jack, and I did it while I went up in through the minds eye tunnel. There has been no song in the last 15 + years to do that.

This fact isn't even debatable. The fact is if you disagree with me, you just aren't experienced. That is a personal flaw but you can change.

...and when you get there, you will see, that IRS owns everything that has been released in a decade and a half.

...and I will forgive you

Uh, right. Whatever you say. Remember, it's "Puff Puff Give", not "Puff Puff Puff".

What a pointless post.....

If you don't have anything to add tot he discussion, don't even bother posting.




/jarmo

No One Knows
You Think I Ain't Worth A Dollar, But I Feel Like A Millionaire
Hanging  Tree
A Song For the Deaf

These 4 songs from QOTSA's "Songs For The Deaf" destroy IRS, especially the 1st 2 songs. I think No One Knows is the best hard rock song of the last 5 years.

Oh yea, "Fuel" from load(or is it reload?) owns,OWNS that is, IRS. The Jets used that song for 3 years when they entered the playing field at the Meadowlands, it always got the crowd really fucking pumped up.

Agreed.  Songs for the Deaf rocks! 

Heh, Buddah I like you bro, I really do. But, to say it isn't debatable? That's your opinion. And I have mine.

Maybe studio I.R.S. will change my mind, but for now I still don't think it's the best song in 15 + years. And its ok that you didn't accept my apology... I cried a bit :'( .. bu-u-ut... im ok. Heh.

    -jack

IRS is a graet demo, may not be the greatest rocker of last 15 years but it has lots of potential. And to the guy who said that on 2004 there were great rockers, I think you just jump to the wagon of the hype. Nowadays there's these albums that are always promoted like with the group with its new cd which contains ....bah blah tracks..... I mean it's like they have a radio hit and that's all. And if you keep insisting that that cd that was released on 2004 has great rockers, I remember when I bought the darknes'c cd it has a sticker which said: "The best rock album on the last 20 years", even I had read a review like that and remember they're experts on music so they know. Of course I tink that to be utterly crap. And to close it If ignorance is bliss, Then knock the smile out of my face  :peace:

Jesus this is nuts, 15 years?  Smashing Pumpkins released Siamese Dream in 1991 and every song on that album is better than IRS.  RHCPs released Blood Sugar Sex Magic  in 1991 too.  Rage Against the Machine was released by RATM in 1992, and please don't tell me there aren't any rockers on that album!  And that's just a few albums in the first couple of years in your 15 yeras span.  I am going to have to go listen to IRS right now!

IRS rocks, but it wouldn't even be the best rocker on the Illusions.  YCBM and Back off Bitch are better.

Change it to the best rocker of the 00's, and you have a bangwagon.

That was my major point. I think its better than any rocker on UYI but putting IRS against most modern rock songs of today, IRS is by far better.  Am I the only person that thinks that IRS had a great hook and is very catchy.

Sorry, homie, not only do you not know how to spell, apparently you can't read either. I challenged  you directly by saying you have no  evidence whatsoever for you original claim. That was exactly on topic. Got it? :confused:

Apology accepted Vas. You are alright homie.

providman...your picks are at least inspiring.

Dave dude "Am I the only person that thinks that IRS had a great hook and is very catchy."

Why ask questions you already know the answers to? IRS is the type of song that bitch slaps those critics who will ask the question "Was this really worth the 10 year wait?" IRS's pimp hand is strong. Chuch nephew.

sheet...I think its time to get down with the p funk.

Bm, the first thing I thought about after hearing IRS was what you siad earlier in this thread....

that Axl SWAGGER.  You can hear it and more importantly FEEL it.
"theres not anymore that I can do" line and the way he sings it gives me chills.

well  i`m the next person agreeing with you buddha( perhaps i did allready earlier in this topic)

when i first heard the demo  it wasn`t the "complete" version and i thought it lacked the concept of a whole song and was just a bunch of good ideas thrown together, but when i heard the 3:35 min version i was really impressed, whereas the beginning is still missing and the quality REALLY SUCKS.

recapitulatory i can say it took me a bit to get into the song, but now i LOVE it and a studio version will kick REALLY ASS. axl`s voice alone would make it the best rock songs of the past 15 years!! :peace:

Can anyone email me the 3:35 version? My version is a bunch shorter..

jacktopia@aol.com

Thanks.
 
    - Jack

Rather host the 3:35 version, so we all can have it.  ;)

3:35 version? The one I have is 3:41

The opening is cut and the quality sucks...

Oh, I made this for those that pm'ed me and asked for it. If this is what some of you would like, be my guest. If there is a better one out there, well... (hook a brother up).

http://s22.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2HJJAI9EPG5MU0LYW3LFRYGMK3

The IRS-haters make no sense to me.  We are listening to 3 1/2 minutes of a poor quality demo.  This song kicks ass.  CD's gonna open your eyes...Buddha's right.  : ok:

It's ok to host and post the IRS demo nowadays?  ???

You ratting on me homie? Damn that is some shit. Real f'n classy.

If its a problem I'll remove it. Don't wanna be thrown in the heretodaygonetohell jail. Axl cops are probably some scary mother fuckers.

"t's ok to host and post the IRS demo nowadays?"

Fucking funny shit.

Fucking classic...  :rofl: