Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Do you think they have stood the test of time? Do you think they are getting more praise and consideration over time, or are becomming more obscure?  Rolling Stone, in the new album guide gives UYI 1 five stars (out of five) and UYI 2 4 stars. Not to shabby.

UYI are one of the greates album of all time, I think thay have inspirate a lot of bands, I hope it still goes that way  : ok:

The Use Your Illusion albums are great.  The variety of the songs on both discs are amazing.  I think time will only help these albums.  The thing that hurt them was everybody compared them to Appetite and expected a raw pure hard rock follow up to Appetite.  They didn't accept them forthe separate entity that they are.  They took a lot of risks on the album and I think it was great.

In a historical perspective, the UYI's are generally portrayed as a footnote to the indelible imprint of AFD, I don't see that perception ever changing.

They are/will be used to show how bloated rn'r had become before Nirvava came along and changed the whole scene & rightfully so. It's pretty much exactly what AFD had done only 4 years before to the hair metal bands of LA. ironic.

One major difference though Botax, many of the LA bands still thrived after AFD. ?It actually magnified an already active Sunset Strip scene, most bands from that era really didn't see their demise til the fall of 91.

This sums it up accurately.

gnr didnt thrive after AFD?

Sure they did, along with the already established bands of that ilk.  AFD actually enhanced that whole scene, they didn't put anybody out of business buy any means.

I still hear often YUI II (after 3 years) as it was a new record.

It certainly made LA the place to be (which was still on a high from Motley Crue and Van Halen) as Nirvana did with Seattle later on.  There was a change in the tone of LA bands though, no more devil worshipping, the street look and sound became de rigeur.  Some of that was obvious posing of course. 

Its just too bad they werent masterpieces. They were close, but there are those misteps, that just give them too much negative inertia to be considered true classics. Its like, they have all this potential with some really cool ass songs, but then you get hit with this fuck up...that fucks up whatever groove you just got into.

Like with UY1. Im kickin some ass through the first 3 tracks, then Don't cry (and Im like yea this is pretty and all...), then it picks back, and then the country ho down track, and ok that was kinda funny I guess). Then some more ass kicking, then NR (yea that is pretty and all), then during the rain I can get some good puffs in for the Garden, then more ass kicking, then 2 kinda whatever ho hum tracks, then badass Coma step up to the plate.

UYI2. Kind starts cool, political, got something to say about fresh bread and war. Then a cool track, and yesterday is (sweet and wholesome), then a really cheeseball rendition of KOTD (that apparantely some 40 year olds who only own one GNR CD and that is the Greatest Hits, seem to like), then it further down the spiral of cheesy lameness, until Breakdown. This track plain fucks me up. Its like a dude who is getting it on with a super fine hot bitch, and right after foreplay she takes her pants off, and pulls out this dick, and slaps him in the face with it. Damn, that shit falls apart. Then some more RN'R, then this funky cool sounding shit (locomotive), then this bigtime pussy song. But then Estranged its, and yea that shit is cool, and almost makes you forget the shit you just stepped in. Then another badass rocker, then home another version of one of their other pretty songs. But the album does go out with a bang. Hehe...I know you think Im bein sarcastic, but I actually love My World. Yea Im in the minority, but what else is new.


Any UYI's don't have a real good Legacy. And they do IMO, represent a lot of what was wrong with the band at the time. Its bittersweet in the truest sense. Mixed fucking bag, that to me, is impossible to listen to straight through. My finger on the skip buttun works too much considering its a GNR album. And that always made me feel bad.

The most fucked up review for an album i have ver heard man, even though its not but c'mon dude :no:,   thats just sad.

Only credit i give you here is that you like My World, is one of my fav. : ok: : ok:

Your review is pretty spot on with my thoughts on both records. UYI 1 just never grew on me as much as UYI2 however. There just is something about what I think is an abundance of filler on the first record. Sure Coma is pretty fucking epic but after that, even the glossy overproduction really irritates me about that one record.

The twin albums were in some regards a musical progression is sound and influences from the bluesy-rock of Appetite, but to me, the "tossed salad" of music styles just seemed lacking in areas and as Botaxl said, represented in someways what was in a mater of time going to be the downfall of the band's legacy.

I really think GN'R's best work is on UYI--Estranged, Breakdown, Coma, Locomotive. Even if AFD is a more even album, UYI is my personal favorite album.

And I think most of those songs still hold up well today.

The band progressed, and most people (fans AND critics) couldn't keep up with that - so they bashed it. But if those people would take their heads out of their asses for a minute, they would realise UYI I & II as what it is - one of the best rock albums ever made.

In 2001, BMG music magazine advertised the UYI albums as "tenth anniversary of two rock classics".   8)

I think Buddha is right, for every incredible song on the UYI albums, there were missteps, such as "You Ain't the First" and the alternate lyrics version of "Don't Cry".  If they had whittled it down a bit, the albums would've been tighter and ultimately more revered.  But they were still successful and produced some of GNR's greatest songs such as "Estranged" and "November Rain".  I still hear "Rain" getting played on radio sometimes.

Don't forget that classic: "My World".

the 2 UYI albums are a masterpiece.

I love "My World." It's Axl in a nutshell. It's only about a minute long anyway, a cool am memorable closer.

They are superb albums and i'm with those who say that with time people will go back to them and appriciate them a bit more.

As a fan thankfully we got such big albums because we have had nothing since lol.  But yeah i can see where they missed the mark on those albums.  I know some people hate the covers but they were massive singles which you can't deny  they helped them sell more records  to a wider audience.

A couple of songs on those albums which are nearly great, but the lyrics let them down a bit. I think songs like Breakdown , Bad Apples, Back of bitch, Shotgun Blues. Me as a fan i think they are great songs i can really enjoy them.   But I can see from a different perspective, they just lack the maturity or depth that the great GN'R songs have.  They so worked better as a co-operative writing team imo.  If UYI's had been one album, I think it would have helped. 

You have to take a look back at when the UYIs were first released.
Look at how huge they were.
Not a failure or even anything close to it.

The thing that bothers me about the album is the drum sound. The drums sound more 80's than AFD, which was put out in the 80s.

I love those CDs though. And I consider UYI2 to be better than Appetite. Sure it has a "bad" song or two, but I can't handle Anything Goes or the electric version of You're Crazy either.

One of the reasons I think Appetite has outlived the UYIs is because of up and coming musicians.
Pretty much anyone learning guitar can play most of Appetite. Like... how cool does it sound when you can play Welcome To The Jungle or Rocket Queen to your friends. They'd think you're the best player ever.

I know a lot of Guns N Roses cover bands (including Axls band) only play AFD songs with a few UYI songs. The reason for this is that the UYI songs are way too complex to pull off properly for the most part.

This is one of the reasons I think Metallica are so big. Memorable guitar riffs that impress people.

I hear ya! Also one similar point where Guns "loses" in exposeure to Metallica when looking from the cover/karaoke perspective is that while any band can play a GNR tune well, it isn't often you hear someone singing it equally well. Afterall, they are supposed to somewhat resemble Axl's performance (well, ok, there's also Duff & Izzy tunes to pick...) which is rather tough. Unlike resembling Hetfield or anyone else with a nice sound but a limited vocal range. That leads to less GNR songs being played. Kind of sucks.

The Illusion albums! Fuck me mindblowing! Appetite lured me into the world of Guns and then Illusions just blew the fucking roof off! In my opinion they changed music. Appetite in itself is fucking wicked and I love it, but Illusions went that whole lot further and a lot deeper!! Hence why I am chomping at the bit for the next installment of Axls songwriting!! I for one dont miss the old band now however cool they were, cos they decided to leave and didnt want the band to evolve, but it is a shame that Izzys songwriting wont be on Chinese Democracy!!

I said it in the IRS discussions thread I resurrected, but I will reiterate here. IRS is leaps and bounds better then any track off the UYI's. Yea that's right. If the quality off the rest of Chinese Democracy stacks up well alongside IRS, this will be what a GNR album should be. I just hope their won't be UYI misteps. These misteps keep the UYI's from being masterpieces, and anyone calling them that are seriously um, using their illusion to paint the albums a different shade then what they actually are. Remember, I dig them, but I can't deny their are tracks that as a fan, bother me. Its silly to call them masterpieces, when their are true masterpieces in rock music. I would think Axl would be the first to agree, that their are glaring mistakes on those two albums.


GNR's true legacy will be sealed with the arrival of Chinese Democracy, if the other tracks on it are on the same caliber (not necessarily hard rockers) as I.R.S.

two excellent albums but gnr in the minds of most is a one album (afd) band.... A few known songs like nr off the illusions but the mark is nothing like afd..

Hey I actually really like "You Aint The First". It may have been misplaced for the worse during the mixing of the album but to me it still sounds like vintage Izzy and has a great vibe to it.

Axl always said the UYIs were not finished to his liking but the label and rest of the band pushed him into releasing it. Axl said after that he would never let that happen again. This is one of the main reasons CD is  being delayed because Axl wants it to be perfect. 

Yeah man, hes always said that...

"Everything on that record is exactly the f*cking way we wanted it. I can find a couple of points where a note wasn't quite in time, and a couple of things like that, but everything came out the way we wanted it." - Axl (Metallix, 1992)

" (On the Illusions) Slash and I were talking about that this morning. We're very proud of what we've done for ourselves. We planned it out since before we released the first album. We didn't know it was going to be quite so many songs, but we still feel it's the best thing we could have done." - Axl (RAW, 1993)
         
So either youre lying, or hes lying... :hihi:

By the way, when did he blame the rest of the band for pushing him into releasing it?

The Illusions seem too much in-depth or artistic, IMO. Great songs that were sometimes overdone or over-produced. Great guiter riffs from Slash and Axl does well on the vocal melodies. But a number of Illusion songs would have been better finished as rough copies, and less work in the studio. In a way those records seem to have been the death of heavy metal, or the last artistic statement attempted by all great rocks bands of the 70's and 80's. Some say it worked, others say it did not.

I think the covers would have been better kept of the Illusions and released as singles.

? ? 1st Guns album was UYI 1, though that was closely followed by AFD, which will always be the best (or will it......: )

 So, if they HAD been just the 1 album what tracks would be on it? 14 favourite are...

1) Live and let die
2)Coma
3)You could be mine
4)Dust and bones
5)Civil war
6)The Garden
7)Garden of Eden
8)14 years
9)Knocking on heavens door
10)Estranged
11)Double talkin jive
12)Perfect Crime
13)November Rain
14)Dont cry(Alt lyrics) - (Lyrics are great I think, just dodgy mixing.....)

Oh and  Im aware of the previous 1998 amalgamation so dont bother pointing that out!

Take KOHD right the fuck off that list. This version is very disrespectful to the Dylan Original (the one from 2002 is infinitely better), and add locomotive and Don't Damn me...then we would have a potential GNR masterpiece.

Only problem is I think the running time is a bit too long

Can see why you might dislike KOHD, but fuck it, its my list! To call it disrespectful may be overdoing it - covering a song only implies great respect for the artist and his work. Sure there may be less dangerous Dylan tracks to try, or perhaps a more conservative cover, but I dont consider it to be any more controversial than the clip at the start of Civil War or the ML King? speech in Madagascar.
? ? ?Dont Damn Me, great song, lyrically one of the strongest on either album, first alternate on my list just cos I dont? ?think its the strongest instrumentally.? :peace:

Dude there isnt anything controversal about GNR covering KOHD. Shit its been covered countless times before GNR ever touched it. But the version on UYI2 and the one performed duing the get in the ring tour is disrespectful, as it cheeses up something special.

The use of Martin Luther King Jr, is a complitely seperate issue, and Im surprised you would even draw an example from that. Madagascar and the use of MLK's words, to me at least, are very powerful, and treated with the highest level of respect. Again this is a different thing that I am talking about with KOHD, which is an embarrassement with that lame ass phone dialing and speech (or on tour when they do the cough...reggae(fuckin lame)...goddamn that kills me. So fucking goofy.

He said both things you two wrote. But, the statement he wasn't happy with illusions is more realistic because the statements you wrote were done during the Illusion dominance. I don't know if there's a group or singer that bashes his work when it's in the spotlights.

That's true... Seems like whenever a band have a new album out they always say "This is our best work yet."
Then you hear them bashing it a few years later in retrospect.

Everyone always say that the Use Your Illusions were overproduced? How is that?
There are some cool things going on, but I definitely wouldn't call it overproduced.

For the most part its your basic 2 guitars, drums, bass and vocals.
If that's overproduced then I'd hate to see your take on The Downward Spiral or something...

true, But that doesn't really matter.  fact is, he still said he loved it and then contradicted himself.  I think that is the point Booker is making.


And Booker, I believe Axl said in that speech Dave mentioned that he caved into pressure internally in GNR and externally in the press when he didn't believe the albums were ready.

I remember Axl saying that the only thing he wasnt 100% on Illusions was the spoken word part of Breakdown. As it is, he took a ridiculous amount of time to finish those albums as well (although in comparison to CD it's nothing i guess)

Both albums kick ass. It's amazing how critical some people can be of something so great. The point of both UYI was that it was not centered on appealing to just one audience, no matter who you are there has to be one song you like from the two albums... even if it is the Ho-Down song... that I personal think rocks... I mean, Slash is playing the goddamn dobro... that kicks ass. If someone is a true GNR fan, they have to like nearly all the songs on these two UYI albums. In my opinion, they kick ass.....


And CIVIL WAR is one of the best fucking songs of all time..... : ok:

NDB

What a load of shit. Seriously, if someone is gonna say Im not a true Axl/GN'R fan because I have complaints about some of their decisions, than that person can suck it. What a fuck hole thing to say. I don't think there has ever been a band in the history of music, that didnt at least make some mistakes, and if you are going to have this kind of blind love, then you are a sick fuck.

But saying that...I still respect you : ok:

The main complaints im hearing are that it was over produced or u didnt like all the songs. 
Well if u put 50 gnr fans in one room n asked them to pick their favourite 5 songs, or better yet their least fav songs ud get 49 dif answers.  IMO i dont really like the garden, breakdown or my world, but apparently theres a huge amount of fans who do, n i respect that.  That was the major problem in choosing the tracks for the album cuz some fans n critics say they hate one song n wouldnt mind if it had never been put on uyi, while others say those songs r their favs. 

To respond to the complaint that it was overproduced, all of the big namr bands at that time overproduced, n had they underproduced it u would all still be complaining about the fact that its poorly made n thus sux.  Wouldnt u rather have more than less?

I think that as more time goes by n especially if CD isnt the best album ever, the uyi twins will slowly leap ahead of afd.  They have grown on me n each time i listen to them i notice something dif. which enhances the experience. 

Ur complaints about filler r dumb, cuz if u wanna c real filler tracks check out any 80s glam rock album or most of the music out now, thats filler.

AFD will be remembered as the better album. This does not make it true. UYI has more filler, but its best tracks absolutely destroy a lot of the generic rock found on AFD. The more epic songs like November Rain, Civil War, Locomotive, Coma, 14 years, and Estranged are much better than nearely everything on AFD. Rockers like You Could Be Mine, Right Next Door To Hell, and Doulbe Talkin' Jive are as least as good, if not better, than their AFD counterparts.

People generally have a bad taste in music. The reality is, the UYI albums have more merit. All of GnR's albums, except TSI, have great strengths and weaknesses. When the filler is pushed aside, the UYI albums are the best.

Haha, thats a laugh.  Basically what you're saying is that people generally don't agree with you, so you must assert your own isolated taste by calling theirs bad.

Hardly any UYI song that you cited (while good songs) are better than what is offered on AFD.  "Coma"?  Give me a break, it's an overlong, overproduced epic.  If you cut the length in half, and got rid of all those ridiculous abstract sounds like heartbeating and girls ranting, it might hold its own.

I will grant that some of the UYI songs are indeed better, such as "Estranged" and "November Rain", but aside from that you have hardly anything that parallels AFD.

No. People do have a bad taste in music. I look at music objectively.


AFD has more energy, but a lot of the songs are technically inferior. SCOM, WTTJ, and Rocket Queen are great, of course, but there are lesser songs like Mr. Brownstone, It's So Easy, and Anything Goes. YCBM and RNDTH are much more refined and sharper than these.

The rockers come out close, but the UYIs' lasting strength are their more complex songs.

Mr. Brownstone and It's So Easy are lesser songs? Get a clue. It's So Easy is easily one of the greatest head-banging, ball breaking rock songs around. Especially the ending. The only one with a bad taste in music here is YOU.  :P

"Estranged" is an orgasm to the ears.

Estranged and Coma are absolutely mind blowing.

"Estranged" is beautiful.  "Coma" could've been.  it's kind of a mixed bag to me.  Slash's riffs kick ass and Axl's got some great lyrics going on, but the song is WAY too long.  "Estranged" had enough great changes and different melodies to sustain its length.  "Coma" resorted to those heartbeat and ER noises.  A song can be powerful without adding abstract sounds like that.  And having those girls on there with those inane rants was just silly.

Im pretty sure what he means is, musically speaking the songs are less "complex" than their UYI conterparts. Im not saying thats how I feel, but I don't think he's saying the songs are actually "worse."

And about the female bitching part in Coma... I like it. It adds to the sense of insanity and hopelessness. I just wish they bitched about more than sex, and that it had voices from both sexes... woulda came off stronger. I dunno.. for Coma.. I like almost every aspect of the song. I feel like.. it coulda been less cheesy... the "at the crossroads waiting for youuuuuu" part is super over the top... and not all the parts mix well... but in the end, I think Coma is still one of gn'r's greatest. If Axl can deliver songs simular to it, and focus it a biiiiiitttttt more I'll be happy. (Long as theres some rockers too)

    -jack

RNDTH is more complex than Brownstone? RNDTH doesn't even have a guitar solo to speak of. With the exception of maybe 'Don't Damn Me', there aren't any UYI songs more 'complex' than  AFD songs.

RNDTH is more complex than Brownstone? RNDTH doesn't even have a guitar solo to speak of. With the exception of maybe 'Don't Damn Me', there aren't any UYI songs more 'complex' than? AFD songs.

ummm RNDTH does have a guitar solo.... around when axl says "Fuck u...bitch"

but anyway, i dunno its really hard to compare the Illusions with appetite, but the fact is...they could have easily made another appetite but they werent happy with that they wanted to go in another direction, and if u look at it that way then they totally succeeded.
in my opinion they are close to masterpiece status but fall short, i would say that they are excellant albums, but too flawed to be masterpieces.

I meant it doesn't compare to the solo in Brownstone.

HAHAHAH that's awesome... Stop making shit up Booker!!!

I have a version without all those noises. There is just one screw up in the song but its sounds great without that extra crap.

http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2Y0DAVHIIODNC34TSG6URNUL3K

I still think they are great albums but I am not so sure they stand the test of time that Appetite does or even the Acoustic side of LIES. ?I fucking loved every song on them when they came out but I was sooo into Gn'R then that they could have recorded Monkeys fucking and I would have liked it... If they came out today I my not have liked them as much, but they didn't and I still enjoy listening to them usually about once a year..I definately think Axl over did it on the vocals and stuff and wish that Izzy was louder. GnR sounds better raw and UYI's arent raw. ?I really don't listen to Gn'R alot because I have just heard it all so much. But every once in awhile I go on a kick... Here is what I think of the songs today.. I used to like them ALL at one point....

 

Right Next Door to Hell - ?Pretty good song still but it definately is filler. ?
 
Dust N' Bones - ? Still a pretty good rocker but a tad boring these days
 
Live and Let Die - ?Used to like it more but it still rocks.
 
Don't Cry (Original Version) - I like the music but I hate the cheesy lyrics, I could do without ever hearing it again ? ? ?
 actually.
 
Perfect Crime - ? I used to like it more, don't really like the sound of the vocals, again filler.
 
You Ain't the First- ?I guess I'll stop saying that I used to like the songs cause I already said I liked them all ?at one point. But this song is pretty boring to me now.
 
Bad Obsession - ?I still enjoy it but I think it would have been better with Izzy singing. ?
 
Double Talkin' Jive - Still a pretty good song ?
 
November Rain - ?A good song for what it was but I don't think it really stood the test of time and I could care less if I ever heard it again. ?
 
Garden - Classic, I still love this one... ? ?
 
Garden of Eden - ?Blah, vocals suck and it really isn't that greta of a song.. ?

Don't Damn Me - ?Still enjoy it ?
 
Bad Apples - Alwyas liked it but I still don't really like the vocals that much. ? I am starting to see a pattern, I definately liked the way Axl sounded better on Appetite and Lies..
 
Dead Horse - ?Still pretty cool ?
 
Coma - Fucking classic
 
Civil War - Another Fucking classic, perfect song
 
14 Years - Pretty good, better than Dust N Bones..
 
Yesterdays - Still sounds good
 
Knockin On Heavens Door - trash, from Axl's 15 vocals tracks to the stupid sample in the middle and teh chorus... I hate thisversion
 
Get In The Ring - Still sounds pretty good
 
Shotgun Blues - I used to like it alot more, again with the vocals
 
Breakdown - Still a great song

Pretty Tied Up - Bored
 
Locomotive- Fucking classic
 
So Fine - Used to like it more
 
Estranged - Still like it
 
You Could Be Mine - Great song and will never get old... I wish alot of teh other songs had the same production because they could have been alot better.
 
Don't Cry (Alt - Lyrics) - Blahhhhh
 
My World - I'm in the minority here but I like it still and always have..

I could still listen to the whole albums through on a long drive without skipping songs, but once a year is good enough for me and I just download some once in awhile...

all I can say as a fan is afd never leaves my rotation.. Best album ever.. As good as the illusions are there are songs I skip now..

Most of the weaker songs on the UYIs that people dont like that much anymore were either Duffs or Slashs babies. Most of Axls songs cept for the few have stood the test of time. 

Okay, that post is just lame, a blatant off-topic attempt to aggrandize Axl and to slam Slash and Duff.

...Meet dave-gnfnr2k

By the way Dave, no response to my earlier post?



"Everything on that record is exactly the f*cking way we wanted it. I can find a couple of points where a note wasn't quite in time, and a couple of things like that, but everything came out the way we wanted it." - Axl (Metallix, 1992)

Booker, just FYI, most artiststhink their latest album is the best one they've made and just perfect in every way.

It's later that they discover the things that are wrong....


So isn't it possible that Axl was happy about it in 1992 but ten years later he thought the albums weren't as good as he might've wanted them to be?




/jarmo

and looking back affter the dust has settled Im sure Axl is probably not satisfied with how some of the Illusion songs came out. Same with the rest of the band. Im suree you can find quotes of Slash and Duff talking how the Illusions was what they wanted when it was released. But years later commenting how it was too polished or produced or whatever for them....

Just some insight from having read some of the Booker/Dave debates......I think dave has pointed out many times of Slash's alleged "contradictions" from things he said way back when. ?I think this plays into Booker's mentioning of this issue. ?This is something Axl said way back when, and now he contradicts that.


Yeah and see this is what I meant.  im sure dave would call the two of them liars if he uncovered those quotes, and now Booker is showing how Axl has done the same thing.

Yeah...

But do you really want to make this thread a Axl vs Slash thing?




/jarmo

Yes, thats partially the reason. ?Another reason would be Daves own misinformed claims: "Axl always said the UYIs were not finished to his liking." ?The quote I used proves that to be untrue. ?

So anybody trying to discuss the content of that quote with me is missing the point. ?Im not the one contending Axls a liar based on some contradictory statements...

but then again, you just dont trash your own album once you release it... if they say it sucks and is overpolished people would have heard that and didnt buy it... so wheter they are lying or not, they said what they had to say  ;)

Booker um we all know Axl said later that he was not really? happy with the UYIs. So there is nothing more to say now is there? OH and sue me for semantics for saying always instead of axl later said the UYIs were not quite finished to his liking.

Again with the lying thing. I am really tired of trying to explain this to you. That is why I just ignore you when you bring it up. I am tired of spelling it out for you and you keep proving my point.

But Ill say it again since you are really slow at understanding things. Its one thing to change your mind about a subjective thing like a song or album. If someone says AFD is my fave album then later say UYI is my fave album are they lying? NO.

But if someone changes history and lies about things that happened in the past then its a lie. For example, Axl never wrote any of the music in guns n roses. That is a lie.  Where as the I was not really happy with the UYIs was more changing his mind that something could have been better.

Is it really that hard t o explain? I guess for you it is.

Wouldn't it be great if the UYI albums were remixed, remastered, and re-released? A sort of "Use Your Illusion...Naked." It could redeem the albums for those who believe that they are overproduced.

uck dude, I totally said that! I totally fucking had that thought minutes after I heard Let It Be...Naked.

So fuck yea that would be a dream. UYI...Naked

You know how infinitely better these would be then the orignial releases. It would be so fucking sweet.

You know what would be funny? If UYI...Naked did come out, and we discovered that My World is really an acoustic track? Anyfuckingways, if the powers that be want to truly release a quality product that would be a critical and commenrcial hit, they would release this. It would be embraced by the fans unlike the greatest hits. Make it so! Say it loud.

...say it loud.

Appetite was great and all but Use Your Illusion was by far supirior because it had all members working up to their full potential and contributing more. also, there's a wide variey of songs which bring out their musical influeneces more. Its a masterpiece probably one of the most underrated peices in rock n' roll.  :peace: