Here Today... Gone To Hell!

This is old news (Jan 05) but I don't remember ever reading it before, sorry if it has been posted. From NIN.com, Trent Reznor answers a fans question:

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Trent was always  bitter that Robin left NIN to join guns n roses. But it was really a no brainer for Robin. It was either write songs in guns n roses with axl and co or just play the songs that trent writes in NIN. Also, the last nin album really was not that great.  I love their earlier work but I dont know what he was thinking with this last album.

nyd,

  Thanks for the post, but yeah, it was posted earlier. 

  Rock n' roll and breakups kinda go hand in hand.

Trent is fucking mental.  Jeez, he needs to grow up a bit... it's been a while and little pot shots like that are a tad unneccessary... Robin was only a live guitarist... not exactly someone who held the band together.  Maybe some other shit went on personally between them.

But everyone knows I don't like Robin's

If only Mr Reznor came with commendable maturity level and social skills of Axl.

Robin left one basket case for another. But at least Axl appreciates Robin for his talent by letting him contribute his ideas to CD.

Cant say i heard the new NIN album...

But I can tell you I think the singles are really lame. Hahaha. REALLY lame. Good for Finck gettin out of there. And Trent comes off as pretty immature with the "pissed on his shoes" comment.

   -jack

Looks like Im alone here...but I aint lonely. NIN has been one of the most consistant musical entities out there. You don't like their new album, then you are in the minority. Not that that means you are right or wrong, but don't throw that shit around like it is fact that the album sucks. With Teeth is among the most critically acclaimed albums this year. And as a NIN fan, I dig this album hard. It hasn't let me down in the slightest. In the slightest. Every NIN album has a different feel, but it isn't inferior to any product they have ever released. You don't like it, you don't like NIN music. The album is as deep and layered as anything he has released. But, I don't have to convince you. You don't pay my bills. But if Reznor felt burned by Finck, it doesnt mean NIN suck. That was his homie, so maybe there is deeper shit at work then the basic level you guys are comfortable with. "Trent hates Ficnk cause he joined GNR." Thats real clean isn't it. That must be the only reason right. Couldn't be for other shit right?

You guys ever have a friend that fucked you? That feeling sucks. You guys don't like NIN music and are using that to justify your opinion, when it is really a seperate issue. As a fan of NIN too, I find you guys lame for that.

.....well tell em' to fuck off


With Teeth is brillent, people who shrug it off straight up really cant hear it, the amount of work that goes into NIN is unbelievable man, Trent is a musical genius!! :yes:

I agree here 100 percent, I use to talk shit about Reznor only cause I was ignorant, I bought "With Teeth" to see what the fuss was about and I still listen to it very very regularly and love every single song on it.

"The Fragile" is ok, I bought it and it still hasnt grown on me like Id hoped but With Teeth makes up for it.

With Teeth is some of Trent Reznor's finest work.  I'm a huge NIN fan and think that the album is awesome (it took a while to get into it).  Buddha_Master, I agree... the fragile was a bit of a letdown.

As for Reznor's comments, he must have a pretty good reason to be pissed.  No one here knows what went on behind closed doors so it's hard to judge.  I know I'm looking forward to hearing the current NIN line-up live.

Finck is a good guitarist better suited for NIN but that's only my opinion...

Man, The Fragile is my fav all the way, Trent describes it as a soundtrack album which pretty much sums it up. The opening track is a fuckin' hype up song n' a half!!!! :yes: i love it.

The fragile is indeed the best cd i think. best sound i'd say.

and robin going from NIN to GNR. that guy will never be in teh spotlight. it was either helping a one-man-band, or being on vacation :)

Off topic, but since we're on the issue of the new NIN album--I think it's great. My favorite album of 2005.

As for Trent's comments on Finck--we weren't there, so who knows what the deal is...

well, i think the downward spiral is the best NIN album! I think its good Robin choose GNR. That shows that he have some respect on what hes doing there. And for him to give up a big band like NIN gives me alot of trust on the new GNR!

Yeah, can you imagine the reaction from fans if C.C. Deville had joined GN'R instead of Finck?

C.C.'s alright (better than Finck anyway) but he's a HUGE showboat. When I saw poison in 2002 it seemed he was always trying to one up Bret Michaels, Axl is the show I doubt he would want someone like that to be in GnR.

besides didn't GnR and Poison have a bit of a Feud back in the day?

And poison's guitar sound is nothing like GnR's anyway, Axl is trying to make GnR new, he's not trying to rehash the 90's glam scene.

I was disappointed with the new album. NIN lost its edge

i think with teths fucking brilliant, one of the best albums of the year

and at the minute it seems as if robin made the wrong choice, sure he inputs his ideas to CD, just too bad no ones ever goona get to hear them

Oh please man. Weve allready heard some of the stuff and we will hear the rest when the album comes out.

As for the Trent comment, He wasn't saying that stuff last year when he tried to get Robin to go back to NIN, or when he tried to get Richard in NIN. He also wasn't saying that stuff when he tried to pit both Richard and Robin against each other  ::)

Yea, the Fragile was described as a soundtrack to a movie that hasn't been made yet. That was until a year or two ago, when a movie called Man On Fire, with Denzel Washington, came out. If you see the movie, much of the Fragile is used as a score to the picture. And there, the genius of that music is front and center. It can be used in many different ways, in many different types of film. Cool shit, but not a tyical album with just songs and shit.

But fuckinanyway, good to see i am not alone here. In my world, NIN and GNR co exist just fine. Just keep any mention of poison the fuck out of here. Wait to go guys, gaying up another gnr thread talking about those pirates. Next thing you know, someone is going to say something about backstreet boys.

well why wouldnt he want them in the band, robin and richard have already proved they can play someone elses music, thats all they did when they toured with guns so theyr perfect for NIN

The Fragile is my favorite album of late of 90`s. For me this is the best NIN work so far. With teeth is ok - but can`t compare with The Fragile. The Fragile is monster album.

You know, all this NIN talk has a place (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=20849.0) on this board.




/jarmo

Jarmo,

The problem is that this is a tricky situation that you yourself can see is unavoidable.

You have longtime NIN guitarist, Robin Finck,  joining GN'R. You have bad blood between Finck and Reznor for whatever the entire reason. But that is not even the biggest factor joining these to groups by the hips. Most importantly, you have Axl Rose, who fell head over heals in love with NIN before mainstream ever got hold of them. You have stories in the past, I can clearly recall one from Sorum, where he retold the story of Axl playing NIN for the band. Sorum said he didnt like it and didnt understand why Axl was freaking so hard on NIN music. Axl was obviously insprired by this very different music direction that Reznor was creating. Whether that led to anything is anyone's guest, but the fact remains.

It is interesting that from a certain point of view, Axl stole something from a great admirer of his. Its kind of interesting when you think about Finck actually being a member of GN'R now.

The one thing I don't get, is why you are cool with people brining up gay shit like poision in a GNR board when there is nothing about them that pertains to GNR or the thread that it is often found in. That is embarrasing, to even have them in the same sentence with GNR. If you want to stop a band being talked about in you forums, I think stopping that is a better thing. That perception of them being linked with GNR is a horrible horrible thing.

The perception probably isn't quite fair, buts it's a definate reality.?

Generally speaking, GNR probably do have more in common with Poison than they ever did with NIN.? Emerging from the same scene aound the same time tends to cause stereotypes that still exist to this day, even though GNR was obviously a cut above everything that came of the Strip during that time period.

With Teeth is an awesome CD. It's just a nice organic CD. Well, as organic as NIN are going to get. Much more of a live CD than Trent fiddling with buttons. Although, I DO love the buttons.

Anyway... about Robin...
Let's just try to imagine if Axl was out in the public eye all the time right now... How many nice things would he have to say about Velvet Revolver? All musicians who left by choice...

And just look at the Buckethead departure a few years back.
Everything thought Axl and Bucket were really close, then all of a sudden when Buckethead left, Axl put out that press release. And he seemed PRETTY bitter, and had a lot of shit to say about Buckethead.

Poison's, or any other band's, music/career/image/whatever shouldn't be discussed in the GN'R section period. It's that simple.

Every time somebody posts "X said Y about Axl/GN'R/AFD/etc", we get a thread about "X sucks", "X's last record is great", "X is hair metal"....

We don't need that.

If you want to talk about other bands, we have a special section for that. Use it.



/jarmo

Seriously, what is Reznor supposed to say, "We can't go on without Robin, this new guy can't hold a candle to him.  Please Robin, comeback!"  He has to show support for the new guy, Axl will do the same if we ever see the album and another tour.  Axl will say how much better whoever is than Slash and so on.

Neemo, are you on crack?  CC better than Robin?  CC is just some hack who if he didn't get lucky he would be bussin' tables and playing in some nasty local bar. 

agree with, jarmo here... If Robin actually PLAYED on the bands (NIN) record, it and that was the discussion, it would be relevant, but Robin were just a touring member of Nine Inch Nails... On another case i think its good to discuss GNR role in the music today, and compare them with relevant artists... i guess that can be done under the Guns N`Roses thread, is that right?

What i wonder, is what kind of musical genere you can put GNR anno 2005 under... Will it they be in there with Big ProgRock/metalbands like; Tool, Tomahawk, A Perfect Circle, NIN, Opeth, Isis, Dream Theatre...? What kind of band wil they mingle with? ?i guess we dont know untill they start beeing a band..

I must have missed something. When did Trent Reznor try to get Fortus in NIN, and when did Reznor "pit both Richard and Robin against each other?"

What if Trent got a hold of Bucketheads's services?

That would be interesting!

It was at the end of last year/the begenning of this year....

Do you have a link to that thread/article? Very curious to read about it.

there is no thread/article, infact its not even really public knowledge. But it did happen.....

So why not just have Trent join Guns N Roses, call it Nine Inch Roses?

Here's a question:

Axl Rose is a huge NIN fan....you think he's seen them on this tour?

Or have Trent join GN'R, all it GN'R?
Naa I don't think so.
Unlike Axl, Trent can't collaborete with 7~8 other guys in writing, can he? Some people are like that.


I don't think he meant this but here's a link to the thread on a false rumour about Richard n Trent.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=c7d5d6eedea29fb5345a145f40393b57&topic=18162.20

Heh.. American Idiot and Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge (My Chemical Romance :P) are also some of the most critically acclaimed albums of the year too..  :hihi:

Jk bro. I understand what your trying to say.. but just because alot of people like somethign doesnt mean its good.

Dude, you are just reiterating what I already said, and throwing it back at me as if I didnt say it. I included a little disclaimer, so wtf?
 
"then you are in the minority. Not that that means you are right or wrong, but don't throw that shit around like it is fact that the album sucks." Hence why I felt the need to include "Not that that means you are right or wrong."

Yea I wrote that little diddy.

And you wrote, "but just because alot of people like somethign doesnt mean its good."

Fucking genius homie. Recognize.

if they like it, it means its good for them, and theyr happy with it, end of story

al theyr worried about is that theyr fans enjoy it, they dont care bout ppl like you who dont like it

With Teeth is a really great record and I have seen the new NIN line up live and it was awesome! Ive seen them with Robin as well but I was to stoned to comment on that one

kind of sounds like axl to me... Yeah I mean why not stay with the active band that tours and has a good time and releases music instead of being with the guy who can't get his shit together ever and the band is clueless about what is next.. I am not a NIN's fan really, like a few songs but as a musician I would think one would like to get out there and be active with his band of choice

trents new record is really good,  he records everything himself,  he does not need robin for the studio.
he just needs guys to act like they are playing live.  it is well known that he uses nearly ALL tape for live purpose.
most of the parts are Trent playing!   the truth!

That is bullshit. The band is absolutely playing their shit live. You are insane. Apple even ran an article on this (when Trent partnered himself with them for the recording of the live DVD that is all digital and recorded in 5.1 (not remixed to be Surround), and stated how the instruments being played live were being fed through macs so their sound could be manipulated beyond what tools guitarists generally use (like Slash's Voice box for instance). The sound like what Slash uses, is manipluating sound but it is Slash playing it. What NIN does is take this a step further, but it is the band playing.

You know the dude, that GNR used during the 2002 tour. The guy who dressed like the biker from the Village People? NIN does similar things as that dude (shit they probably started it) when during the live performance having samples and effects being layered over the band playing. Anyway, its crazy for you to say what you said, so now you can stand corrected and talk about the things you know best...like maybe Oprah for instance.

buddha boy,   i guess you have never been around their soundboard live, when 24 tracks of digital is being played back with the
band.  ask any engineer who has worked with them live.     Also the Apple piece about Trents Live DVD should not be considered
live, because it was MIXED well after the fact, and no doubtedly most parts rerecorded.  that is standard practice by nearly all
'Live' recordings being released.      but go ahead and keep dreamin that your superheros are doing it blindfolded!
That is the illusion! :love:

It's obvious Reznor was a little bitter about Robins choice not to hook-up and tour with NIN. ?It's also cool that trent found North from Icarus Line. ?(? didn't incarus line open for gnr in tokyo 2k2 ?)

It would have been cool to see Finck tour with NiN beause it would have given both camps (nin/gnr) a chance to see him perform live. ?I not even come across much of robins stuff out side of either camp. ?If anyone out there knows where to pick-up his material please let me know, thanx in advance.

I've never seen NIN live in concert and I look forward to doing just that. ?I'd hope that the band is actually playing the music. ?I recall seeing gnr in 2k2 and the music did sound a if it was being played by the musicians. ?There were songs that did utilize sampled tracks (mostly voice clips & strange sound bites).

As far as chriss pittman (the biker lookin guy - he's the dude that plays the clips & bites i think)

Overall, I've always thought of Reznor as being this one-man-band kind of dude. ?And he's got alot of creativity so I'm not too surprised to hear that hear may use an extra dose of sampling at his gigs. ? : ok:

Listen princess, no band has ever recorded a Live show the way NIN did for their Fragile tour. Apple was new to this too, and both them and Trent had to learn a lot together because this was never done in this way before.

And when would you have ever been near their soundboard anyway? Yea you know engineers though and you have engineer friends who work for NIN...

Its funny when a little girl talks like she is a player who knows whats going on. The only illusion I have, is you in the kitchen baking me some cookies. ?:smoking:

keep on dreamin buddha boy,  youve been sold a digitally synced fantasy and it eats you up!    yes, it is nice to hang out
with the sound guys,  they always enjoy girls in the booths and they ALWAYS have some great stories.   i wonder who the
sound guys are for GNR?   it would be great to hear their secrets right from the horses mouth!  (i just wish they weren't so
ugly though!) :rofl:

I have a digitally synced fantasy of you washing my socks. So you bang sound guys? You are doing a great job, something every parent would be proud of. And how do you know GNR sound guys are ugly anyway? The only fantasy here is you, the common Oprah housefraus acting like are an L.A. 10. Maybe a red flag should have gone off if you are only able to nail a sound guy anyway.

The Icarus Line just played some of the same festivals as GNR in 2001. I think Weezer opened in Tokyo.

Hey-zues! some people on this board are edgy. My posts are made in good fun. Im not trying to offend anyone.  Lighten up . I never insulted you Buddah_Master, dont insult me. Punk...

Hahahahaha. Wha? Lol

dude, I don't even know who you are? Dude, I what, said something that one day, made you feel bad? I said something in reaction to you saying something, and you can't deal. So the frustration has been building inside you, until you jsut exploded and lost it. So you wrote something about me, because the memory of me is clear because of the demons, and your fear.

Listen brother, I understand that for you this was one of the most important days of your life...

But to me...it was tuesday.

Advice:
First you must learn to let go, of the things you fear to lose.