Here Today... Gone To Hell!

"Merck also told me the news that the Guns 'n Roses cd is done and it rocks (not his exact words)... Well, he did say it has four rockers like Appetite For Destruction - the rest of the tracks are "challenging and epic", Meaning they're boring or Axl thinks he's joined Rush... Got to thank Merck as he did send me the T Rex Born To Boogie soundtrack, not forgetting the Led Zeppelin, sorry, I mean ELP dvd..."

Source: http://www.rosshalfin.co.uk/diary/august-2005/diary-august-2005.html#

wow, that sounds alot more positive - I wonder if we will see it this year? surely an announcement surrounding a release date at the very least? ???

To be honest, this is pretty decent source this time... so who knows :)

So Dickie said its not yet done but some kid claims Merk said its done.,
Words to live by.
Dont believe anything until you hear it from axl and he says its finally done.

BTW who is this Ross kid?

If Merck is a man of his word, he would let some of his good friends hear these tracks. If for nothing else, good publicity. Chinese Democracy needs to get a buzz started in the industry about it.

Ross is a rock and roll photographer whose been around for decades. He shot early GNR and alot of 70's bands. He also followed a couple VR tours shooting the band. VR are his current favorite to shoot in the music scene right now.

2 days ago richard said it wasn't. It's amazing how great they are in comunication. ?:hihi:
The GN'R camp should never work for secret services. They would start a 3rd world war with all their communication mistakes.
I've never seen that in my life. Ron Thal, save us ;D

The plot thickens my friends. : ok:?  I hope Ross shoots the band pics when they get together.? He's by far the best photographer in rock.

wow another day another rumour! one minute its not coming out the next it is - its great being a gnr fan.

keep 'em coming!

This is so awesome, I mean 2012 is right around the corner. God damn im excited :)

With regard to Merck/Fortus, and the album being done/not done:

Perhaps all the music has been recorded, but now it needs to be mixed/mastered.

come on...it's been 2 years we hear they are mixing the songs. It's becoming really comic! :hihi:

If CD really is 100% done with no fine tuning or any other crap needing to be done then we'll start to hear more people talking about it. ?Even if it's only people making jokes about the length of time that Axl has been working on it.

I won't get too excited until I hear someone like Merck or Axl actually saying it publicly. ?All they have to do is call a friendly journalist and let the word out. ?Within people who are interested in rock music there is going to be a buzz building amoung the people who can't wait to see Axl fall flat on his face and the people who want it to be great.

I'm starting to think that this could all be some type of smoke-screen as to what is really going on. ?With Richards site showing tours in November, saying the albums not done, toRoss Halfin, who I consider an inside source, mentioning Merck saying the albums done. ? ?

That's the spirit.  : ok:

Wow, what do you know about this sudden rumour fes!

Once you start, You can't stop being a GN'R fan.



Chinese Democracy starts any day.


I second that Thorazine Shuffle. (was sorta expected)

This one's got a source or two, Ross' web site and Merck.

Unlike all those e-mails that can't be traced to a source....




/jarmo

"So much for ever taking any more pictures of Guns N' Roses in the future. Now go stick to your pathetic website diaries before you criticise music you haven't even heard yet."

This and nothing else should be GN'R's manager's response to this. Well, only in a perfect world maybe...

As for that "the album is done I've heard it from Merck" thing - Haflin doesn't know jackshit, because his mouth is as big as the grand canyon. Unfortunately, some people's asses are not, so it's very questionable if they'd share any sensitive information with this average photographer who'd much rather like to be a rockstar himself. Oh I forgot he IS a rockstar because he took a picture of Led Zeppelin - thirty years ago...

So the album is done? Great, we've heard that two years ago.

Also what does Ross have to gain by saying this in passing in his blog? What gnr fan reads his blog. Its not some plant or conspiracy.

Also just because Gnr might not tour in 2005 does not mean they cant still release CD in Nov and Dec. For all we know they could release the album at the end of Nov then do another NYE show then start a world tour in Jan.

Sounds like Merck is digging a deeper hole. Why would other people be saying its not done, and merck tells this guy its done? Is the GNR camp trying to confuse us?

Let's say the album is actually done. That doesn't mean it has to be released in 2005....



/jarmo

Jarmo, that is definitely a positive way of looking at it. I guess its possible. But why would Merck tell this guy its finished but not tell anyone else? If the album is done, and gets released next year, that lets Merck off the hook with his 2005 being the year comment. Damn, doesn't it seem like these guys are politicians sometimes? :D

Yes it does..

Though I find Merck's general "company line" stance to be less than forthcoming, I realize his job is to protect the interest of his company and client foremost..

aaaah ! a GOOD news !!

thx merck and thx ross to share the information !
now we're sure the music is done.
i suppose artworks and other little things are in their way too...
just four rock titles ? well, so the LP will maybe sounds more like estranged, november rain,
madagascar & the blues ? with orchestral things, strange guitar solos, long screams with electronical ambiances...
hmmm sounds good to me...Axl wanted to build his Wall maybe...can't wait to hear it.

november !!! ;)

well this guy, Ross Halfin, is a reputable source and he's an "insider" like someone said before.

It was mentioned in an obscure blog, very offhand - whats he kgot to gain by bullshitting? My guess is that we may see CD this year, but a tour wont start till next year, hence Richard booking more dates - does the band need to be present when CD is released?

i don't see how merck could be lying, i mean axl would drop his ass in a sec if he said something like that and it wasn't true no?..

interesting...

i would be nice to finally hear this epic record... :D

Jimmy, the band does have to be present for the release, or at least a couple weeks before the release. GNR will need to do SNL, The Tonight Show,etc. If people dont believe the rumours about it not coming out, they should just look at the fact that Richard is going off to tour in November. Or maybe Axl doesn't plan on promoting it. This isn't the year. A huge favor was done by telling everyone that. Now everyone can stop their champagne wishes and caviar dreams for 2005. But like I said earlier, maybe this new info coming out is just disinformation. As usual, only time will tell.

I can tell you that those emails people got from Richard are real..... Also didnt a few weeks ago Ross slam Axl saying he was a useless ol bugger (or something along those lines)?

Only 4 rockers! ?:crying:

This is my biggest fear about CD is that Axl has spent so much time on it that it is way too "challenging". ?This is aweful news if it is true. ?I would prefer he take another year and fill the album with rockers without orchestration than release some experiemental album. ?Why doesn't he realize he needs to do what he does best and kick ass?

I hope I havne't waited 11 years for an album of boring orchestrated self-indulged nonesense like November Rain. >:(

Well it still means little really- until we here a date. ?

Some of you Like myself, will remember Moby saying the albums worth of stuff he worked on with GN'R was ready and sounding fantastic - should have been released back then. ?

Suppose it's good ?to have any bit of news we can get though eh? lol

Blasphemy!! lol

I Just hope someday we get a box set of the song that were scrapped for this huge project. Also is what Ross said is  true, it gives us another tid bit that CD will just be a single album.

We've all pretty much known that CD would likely be ballad heavy. I'm not shocked by the 4 rockers statememnt. I dont care what ratio of ballads/rockers that there is. All I want is Axl's best. If his best is 4 rockers and 5 or 6 epic ballads, then I will be pleased.

He said 4 appetite style rockers. There could be civil war type rockers or COMA type rockers. Those dont sound like appetite....

a good rumour! I dont se why this shouldent be true!
Remember that if CD will be released before Christmas, it doesent mean that the tour should be at the same time! I guess a Winter/Spring tour then could be a good time to kick of the tour

Good point, was just about to wright it.  : ok:

Yeah, Poison's "Crack A Smile" was finished in 1994 and didn't come out until 2000. :hihi:

Yeah definatly,  Moby himself has said that stuff was hot, should have just been released there and then . My personal feeling is maybe that stuff was too avant-garde, too electronic and either the Record company or Axl had second thoughts?   

So add on the material written since then and there must be loads of tracks we are not likely to hear. Unless like you suggest, and i'm guessing they are going to want to make the most out of 'Chinese  Democracy' as a project. So either we'll get as Axl has suggested 3 albums out fairly quickly after each other.  Or a box set and a shorter album for CD? Let's hope we get some action at least.

A thread of great news. Oh how glorious.

Please, we need a release date, even if it is next year.

To not get one, means the Slash and Duff suit is pushing this back.

It's called humor you retard, and Halfin has probably forgotten more important people in the record industry than you could ever pretend to know.

there are more ups and downs on this board than a roller coaster, one minute the album isn't finished and will never be released the next, it's done and will be out soon. ?:rofl:

The same people that slam GnR one minute are happier than pigs in shit the next, I'll be glad when this album is finally released. I have a feeling some people will be really let down while others will claim it's the best album ever created. ?This site will be pure panimonium (sp?) when the release day is announced.

Hopefully Merk was right (2005 will be GnR's year)

thats true if you believe the promotional campaign is going to be big.

Personally (as ive said before), I reckon a low-key, word of mouth promotional campaign is whats needed here

Neemo's right, this roller-coaster ride is crazy. ?

Personally, I'm thrilled to have 4 "Appetite rockers," with 8 "others," which could include songs like Nov. Rain, estranged, Don't Cry, Patience, One in a Million (yeah, that's right, just cause it aint a rocker doesn't mean it can't have bite.),...dammit, I just want something new! ?Hell, it could be Axl singing Christmas carols!!
 :beer: ?

PS  Jimmy the Gent, I just saw your post as I tried to post this...are you serious???  ???
A low-key, word-of-mouth promotional campaign???  I don't want to sound like an a-hole by stating the obvious...but people don't even know Axl is alive! much less heading a new incarnation of the band.  Please explain how that strategy could work.  Also, explain why it would work better than *Rolling Stone interview with print ads  *tv ads  *radio buzz  *Super Bowl half-time performance, etc.

Axl4Prez, a low key word of mouth promotion is the only thing that could make 2005 a remote possibility. With Richard touring towards year's end, then there cant be a media blitz, unless he is being replaced. But as its been said before, 2005 is over. But with it being over, they should just go ahead and announce to the world their tentative release date.

I say most of my reasons here http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=21863.msg380959#msg380959

although theres many reasons of which Ive stated heaps of times here

oversaturation will put people off, a measured cautious approach is the way to go especially given the damage Axl has done to his reputation over the years

Awesome, Im so glad its done. 2012 here we come and Im gonna be the first motherfucker to buy this. Fucken sweet!!!!!!!!!!!! :beer:

blasphemer, where are you getting this 2012 shit? I've heard from a couple people in regards to a release date, and they mentioned nothing as ridiculous as 2012.

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Thats not right around the corner!! I'll be dead by then knowing me!!!

I say most of my reasons here http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=21863.msg380959#msg380959

although theres many reasons of which Ive stated heaps of times here

oversaturation will put people off, a measured cautious approach is the way to go especially given the damage Axl has done to his reputation over the years


Jimmy The Gent,
  You make some good points.  It will all come down to the quality of the product.   :-\

I've said it in other threads the last few days and I'll repeat it here again , GNR's Chinese democracy will be out in 2005.  :peace:

I dunno -I want to believe you so badly!!!!

care to say why you believe that?

I just do.  :peace:  This will be the year , IMHO.  :beer:

Saul believes in wishful thinking. :D :beer:

Do you have any possible information that you are basing this on? (Because with the facts that are out there right now the chance for an album this year is slim to none).

Leave him alone.... he is just being optimistic!!!

He cant have any info in regards to this year, because all info points to next year. He's just hoping that Axl changes his mind and gives us our most wished for Christmas present ever. :D

hmmm yeah.

I believe him too. :beer:

And then there was three!!!

Well , I will admit I like optimism far more then pessimissim  : ok:

Anyways , I stand behind what I say.  :beer:

btw , in no way do I want anyone to think I'm saying I have inside info and sources etc etc etc .. fact is , if anyone "did" have "sources" they wouldnt tell a public forum I dont think. But I dont know.  :rofl:

GUYS GUYS GUYS!

He said it was done, not finished. Sheesh, get a clue!!

~KYI

Theres a difference??!  ???

Was I the only one who never really believe the whole email from Richard was legit?  Merck is Axl's right hand man in all of this and if he says 2005 is the goal, we should believe him.  Richard is touring in November right?  Thanksgiving is at the end of November and the relase could go even into mid-December.  That's plenty of times for the guys to regroup for the interviews and promotions, no matter how small they may be.  Axl and Merck are going to be handling the arrangements.  All the rest of the band needs to know is when and where to show up.  Chinese Democracy is coming and "Soon" is finally the word.  : ok:

Is anyone gonna email Merck?

I just gotta put a halt to the hating of the only 4 appetite rockers.  Hell, UYI II only had one (YCBM).  Pretty tied up is kind of too, so maybe 2 at most.  If you take away shotgun blues, get in the ring and my world and add in two appetite rockers to UYI II then that album is a perfect 10.  So, any album with 4 appetite rockers gets love from me.

And yes, somebody please email Merck.

make it four. and personally i think '4  apppetite style rockers' and challenging epics... god, that's beautiful  :love: :love: :love:  :peace:

can't wait. and hopefully it won't be much longer.

if anyone knows merck's email, i send him a message about it. does anyone know how i can contact him?

is merck said that chinese democracy boring?
GNR=CIA

I don't think it will happen:


Unless Axl appreciates that kind of remarks about the music he has been working for ten years...lol

My money is on George Chin.

What is going on here... ???

Merck!! Axl!! Say something.....

Yeh but there is always that thing about whether that e-mail from Richard was even legit! Even if it was legit didnt the person say that he sent his message to Richard 2 months ago? So maybe Richard wrote that e-mail then and its only just come through! It just all seemed a little vague Richards e-mail. This comment by Ross Haflin at least seems real!! In my opinion something at long last is about to happen!! Too much seems to have happened this week for it all to go dead again!

Imagine music that actually challenges a listener

what great band ever thought of doing that? ::)

If fans dont like being challenged, they should stick to the shit that is out today

i for one am ready for a change in music and I think Axl is bringing just that.

Great Words D, that is exactly what I am hoping for and I believe that Axl will bring that to everyone!

Conny I'm sorry but you're dead wrong about Ross Halfin. The guy is a legend when it comes to photography.

For me this is the ONLY reliable source.

However I don't see Ross shooting any new GNR pics as he hates Axl. The same with Metallica.

Clearly you know nothing about Ross. Read some more of his diary, he always throws in jokes but doesnt mean anything by them. I think this is getting out of hand though, I dont think Ross is as bothered as any of you people. He didnt realise it would cause such a stir, Merck probably just told him that in confidence or general conversation.

There is no "insiders" or stupid conspiracy theories, you guys crack me up.

And you would be right  :beer:

This is great news. So when do we get CD? - I'm guessing as soon as all the legal stuff is sorted and Slash and Duff get out of the picture. I mean, all this fuss over lack of payment, just because of an error, it's no big deal, not unless you are Slash and Duff and need the cash these days  ;)

I know! ;D

(for those who didn't know, he took lots of pictures of the band during Rio 2001 and the 2002 US tour, you can see some of them on Robin's site and George put up some a while ago on his site but he had to take them down)

This one is by the great George Chin, for instance:

http://www.gnrfrance.net/GNR/Photos/Concerts/Japon-08-02/axlbigpic.jpg

'Nuff said.

"August 5 (http://www.rosshalfin.co.uk/diary/august-2005/diary-august-2005.html#)

Nice and hot. Studio session today with Kirk Hammett of Metallica - it's been so long since I photographed them, it's actually quite strange."


Agree with the rest you said about Halfin, tho.

I've actually met Ross a couple of times.? He's a warm, friendly, genuinely nice guy with a WICKED sense of humor.

He's also one of the most talented photogs on the planet, especially in his subject matter.

If Ross says Merck told him CD is done....then Merck told Ross CD is done.? No question.? So, if you question the validity of the "item", you'd need to be questioning Merck's truthfulness, not Ross' (and I don't think Merck would lie, either...he must think it's done if he told Ross so).

First off, Ross wouldn't lie about anything like that.? The guys reputation and integrity is what helps earn his living.? He's not going to risk that by telling a fib on his blog about something he views as so inconsequential.? It just wouldn't be worth it.

Second, he has no earthly idea about our "corner" of the net and the stir his words will cause.? It was a passing comment and I doubt he knows (or much cares) about the shitstorm it will light off.

This is, without a doubt, the single best "source" of info we've had in quite awhile.? It's not Axl.....but it's the closest thing we've gotten to Axl since the cancelled Rio show.

Oh, and Will...I think George Chin being the "official" GnR photog is pretty much a foregone conclusion....

i think it was cool if mystereon would say something on this topic....



somehow this week has made me positive again....  but i don`t believe it`s coming out 2005

@chinese blues  do you remember that we shoud mark your words that chinese democracy is coming out in 05?
well... i`m not sure if you were even the guy saving that anyone can kick y?u in your balls if it`s not.... :hihi:

A. If Pilferk says it, its true - just vouching for his validity, if anyone doubts his words.

B. CD, more than likely, is 'done'. From what I understand, the current lawsuits don't apply to it or its material as they are all back catalog oriented.

C. We'll either see a Holiday 2K5 release or we'll be waiting until at least Spring of 2K6.  It would be financial suicide (in my opinion) to release in Jan-Mar. 

D. My 'source' who directly works with guys from Interscope hasn't heard of this little tidbit - well at least he hadn't until I emailed him about an hour ago.  If / when he gets back to me with any feedback from that side of the net, I will let you guys know.  I dont expect much, though.  Last he heard was everyone was basically tight-lipped ever since the legal mumbo jumbo began to go down.

E. Sanctuary could really, really use both the PR and the monetary boost from a CD release right now.  I know its still being released (as of last check, anyway) on the Geffen / Interscope label.. but Sanctuary would definitely benefit financially from the release.  It would also, more than likely, make them much more attractive to a potential buyer..as I think GNR is the biggest 'name' they have under their management umbrella. 

F. If / when we get some sort of official word, all hell is going to break loose - so just prepare for that wondeful eventuality.. personally I'm hoping sometime mid-November, to kind of blend in with all the XBox 360 pandemonium

G. I'm currently in St. Louis and I took some pictures of the venue from where the famous riot went down.  I think when I'm back in this exciting town next week I'll go hang out there with a GNR shirt on, if for no other reason than to irk the locals.  At least it makes the week move along.  If anyone actually wants to see the pictures, just PM me or something, I'll offload them to my main PC when I get back to Fort Lauderdale this evening (well, provided my flight doesnt get cancelled / rescheduled thanks to wonderful Hurricane Katrina)


Peace out,

-darknemus

I know who he is, but I can't help it - I just don't like the guy, never did, never will. I don't care about his reputation and all. To me he is just a prick.

Okay, are we going to believe heresay from Merck or a direct quote from Richard?  I don't see if it even matters.  The bottom line is there has been to eveidence that CD is going to be released anytime soon, finished or not.

doesn't comments like this make RH into a fucking asshole?? i mean, if merck told him such a thing in a private conversation it's not nice to pass it on to the world like a little rat... it's not like gn'r and merck are using RH as a channel for CD info... ???

It was probably something Merck mentioned in passing, rather than "in confidence". I doubt Ross has any idea (as I said before) that the information is such a "newsworthy" tidbit.  Though I rather suspect his inbox is now getting flooded asking for more info....

Why the bitterness, eh?

Well,

until recently he had only shitty comments about Metallica... That's why "it's been so long since he photographed them".

I guess he changed his mind somehow... Maybe the money was too much. Besides he IS one of the best photographers out there today...

If Merck says it's done, then I'm sure he has a reason for thinking it's done.

As pilferk mentioned earlier, I'm sure Ross has no idea how big news his little diary entry is for the GN'R fans who read the boards.

Maybe they were just talking abiut stuff and Merck mentioned how the album's been finished. Who knows.

You'd think that they get something finished at some point: Whether they'll release it this year, the next or whenever is a different issue. ?;)



/jarmo

I don't believe he will answer all those emails. Just a post on his diary...

He will contact (or will be contacted by) Merck...

I suspect you're spot on right about that.  But I think he's going to be shocked out of his gourd by the sheer volume of email that little blog blurb is gonna generate.  :)

Poor guy...

In regards to GNR promotion. ?DOnt you think that management and the company already have all the promo stuff figured out by now? I am very sure they are just waiting on 1 small tiny disc to kick things into gear.

And yes, promotion, good, solid promotion, can be done still this yr if it were to be released. How many months do you think the band needs? The biggets promotion will be a single anyways.

If the release is in DEc. Then they can start doing promo in late October/November. Drop the single either in Oct or November. All the band memebers have to do is some interviews in some magizines and stuff. Its not that hard and its not rocket science.

Theres only 1 thing that needs to be done.....the handing over of Cd from Axl

and then the world gets rocked because a legendary lead singer, a fresh new band, and some lyrics that actually mean somehting are on the way to save rock n roll

You're right.  They could still release this year, easily.  Heck, they could still release in late November with an announcement as far off as late September...with an accompanying single.

It's not completely out of the question.  I would say it's unlikely (to my mind) but not outlandish.

but it's like they guard this project with everything they got and they hardly comment on anything, yet gn'rs old photografer writes this in his journal. people check his site because they are fans of sertain bands and not because he's such a great shooter so one should believe that there are certain unwritten rules about passing shit like this on, and it's not like he doesn't know that at least some gn'r fans are actually waiting for this already epic disc and would basically kill for info like this... it would have been fine or harmless if he wrote it in his personal handwritten journal, but in an internet journal???

don't get me wrong tho, i love his pics and it's very cool to hear this from a guy who's actually in the right enviroment, but it wouldn't surprice me a bit if merck would be really pissed about this, and it wouldn't surprice me if axl got pissed at merck for leaking info like this to guy who basically are on the wrong foot with axl.... it ?was a preatty sheap shot he put in there along with some awsome news of course...

Actually, he probably DOESN'T know the effect the tidbit will have.? I doubt he has any real knowledge about the rabidity of the GnR fanbase, nor does he really care.? Merck, in a conversation, mentioned, in passing, that CD was done.? So Ross mentioned it.? To Ross' way of thinking, it was probably as simple as that.? He mentioned it as casually as I would mention my wife taking my dog for a walk.

This is akin to me telling you that my wife told me she took my dog for a walk and the dog took a steaming dump in the shape of Nixon's nose on my lawn.? You, however, unbeknownst to me, are a member of a secret society that believes that when MY dog takes a dump on MY lawn and it's in the shape of Nixon's nose that the world is going to end.? Now, having told you something in a very casual conversation, I certainly don't expect the shitstorm (almost literally) that is about to ensue when the other thousands of members of your secret society show up on my lawn asking to see the "Nixon's nose" dump.? Pretty much the same thing here...

Merck told Ross that Axl's finished CD. Ross told us.? Merck = my wife.? Ross = me.? Axl = the dog. See where I'm going with this?

Yes, Pilferk, I do.

So can you use some of your well renowned prowess with your "wife" to convince "her" to give us some solid info?  I mean, come on.

Oh, and tell her the dog needs to get out a bit more - you know.. to keep his coat healthy or something.

 :P  :P

Off to the airport with me - peace out, all

-darknemus

LOL!

I was strictly pointing out the equivalencies in the analogy.  Trust me when I tell you that you have NO desire to actually get the product that is "dropped" when my wife takes the dog out for a walk!

Ross is a pretty reputable source, he has worked with IRON MAIDEN for years so i'm sure he has a close relationship with Merck.

i see what you're saying and i hope you're dead on, i want to believe the same.

i do find it a little strange tho the way he kind of attacks axl at the same time as giving out some great news, it's just not right in anyway. i just don't see how anyone that high up in the business wouldn't know at least some of the "trouble" with CD and the whole gn'r spectackle thsese days..

i mean, it's his journal and he doesn't write just anything in it, it's kind of obvious that he does care a little about gn'r and or axl in some way, if not he wouldn't mentioned it at all i would think.

anyway, it's a good rumour and i believe merck actually told him that cd is finished which is worth a big fucking YAY! : ok:

August 26

I have taken down my diary entry on GNR as I've had at least fifty emails from people who call themselves the GNR community, and who seem to think I'm a link to Axl Rose - which I'm not - so stop writing to me. I have no idea when the cd will come out, if it ever does. If you really want to read about GNR Q magazine has a big feature on them in the new issue.

---

There you go.... People e-mailed him thinking he'd have news.

http://www.rosshalfin.co.uk/diary/august-2005/diary-august-2005.html



/jarmo

So...what about the Q Magazine and the new issue? :P

some nice person isl posting it.
Im waiting ;D

Yeah I am sure all of splat and mygnr.com emailed him, poor guy.

No one from Sp1at emailed him. In my opinion he got lucky if only 50 people emailed him.  :rofl:

I agree he got off easy if only 50 people e-mailed him. I say we flood his e-mail till his computer crashes!!

People chill out.

DO NOT FLOOD HIS EMAIL.

You should be thankfull you got this info from Ross...

No wonder no one fucking talks lol.  They all get flooded with sad obsessed fans.  Which always ends up looking a bit sad.

 I love Gn'R but I would not e-mail any of them or people around them.  If everyone was just chilled i'm sure we would hear more.

Heh...

Told ya.

:)

If Saul says he thinks its coming out in '05 I have some hope.. hes my favorite member of the board! haha. Funny guy.

But.. im bummed out that '06 seems closer and closer and yet no CD news.

I knew that after Jarmo mentioned Ross Halfin that someone would resurrect this thread.

 :hihi:   same here....

I still think the album will be out in 2005!

Oh , wait.  :-[