Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I just get a few albums of Buckethead and i was so fucking shocked when i start to listen. It` samazing. Buckethead is really amazing guitar player. His best album is Monsters & Robots from 1999 for me. Killing guitars, good drums from Brain - just can`t compare with trade guitar sound of Slash and VR. I`m really very sorry that Bucket left. Hope Axl keeps his solos in CD.

For everyone who didn`t listen Buckethead album i recommend Jump Man single from the same album.

Axl lead me to believe by his last statement that Buckethead used GNR to promote his solo career.  That being said, I can't see myself checking out his work.  I do like his Star Wars solos from the 2002 bootlegs, but seeing how he and Axl are on the outs, I am going to "keep it real" for Axl.

Buckethead has had a very long career in which he met numerous people who (almost) without exception, talk very highly of him (Then there?s Axl). They appreciate him as an artist and even more as a person (it's all there in writing to prove it). They describe him as being very loyal and mild-mannered and wouldn't doubt a second to work on another project. Not only because of the musician, but also because of the person.Then all of the sudden he meets Axl.

Who has a reputation (since the early 90's) of scaring practically everybody away (the list is endless) who steps into his life. Unsurprisingly, now Axl talks about Buckethead like most people talk about Axl. Knowing that Buckethead has no such relationship with any of the dozens of artists he worked with in the past, I really can't see how he should have used Axl. He shared the stage with GNR so little times that the general public didn't even had time to notice him. He never gave Axl the same treatment in the media, Axl chose to give him. Especially when Axl better could have invested some time in finding a solution for the RIR-fiasco, instead of dropping the ball 4 months in advance, blaming it on Buck. Especially when even two months before that (the press-release), Bill Laswell told me that Buckethead wouldn?t join GNR in RIR. The post I wrote at that time should be on this forum somewhere (when all sources around GNR were still denying everything). That?s 6 months my friend, for Axl to do something else than bitch about Buckethead in the media. Just face it, Axl wasn't ready for it.? All the proof you need for this fact, is the fact that CD isn't spinning in your CD-player as we speak. In the past GNR never had more then two guitar players at their disposal, so finding a quick short term solution for RiR really wouldn't have been that difficult. If I knew Buck was gone, Axl sure as hell did as well. Remember how Axl said that Buck's departure would speed up the process? Well I ask you again....where's the CD?

Axl should try to figure out the significance of the fact that every situation and every relation in his life (during the past decade and a half) goes down the drain with only himself as a constant factor in each and every one of those situations and relationships. Before you keep it real for Axl make sure that Axl is keeping it real himself. Love the guy, but he's full of it. Love the performer, but not the person.

-PEACE-

Jump Man is a classic yes. It's dedicated to Michael Jordan, you know? If you like Monsters & Robots then there is a whole world of his music you really should explore.

Enjoy!

-PEACE-

Certainly Buckethead is an excellent guitar player, anyway it doesnt come to Skill its about soul and only Slash can play the old songs with "feeling" now guys you wanna talk about losses, well.....  go ahead...

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I'm affraid your in the wrong section here buddy, To start another Buckethead vs. Slash thread you need to be in the deadhorse section.


Can't help it, whenever I see somebody make a complete fool of themselves I just need to respond.

Complete nonsense, if you gonna say something that stupid at least fake a stroke. Due to his ambient albums Buckethead is regarded as one of the most emotional and soulful guitarplayers around. Ever heard Electric Tears and Population Override? Slash only wishes he could play that soulful. Slash is nothing special, his subpar playing in VR and every other band he has been in since GNR is all the evidence I need.

-PEACE-

man, I dont care if buckethead is the best guitar player in his fucking world... I mean about the soul, when he plays GNR tunes.... I dont feel the songs as they should be...

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I agree with Slipdisc.. Don't understand when some GNR fans say BH doesn't play with soul. They haven't heard BH solo work. No soul in GNR old tunes ? He didn't write them  ::) On another note I think BH nightrain solo is far better than Slash one.

It aint about Speed, its about soul, and BH played perfectly the gnr songs, but, the soul of the songs got lost with the new members...


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I have a few Buckethead solo albums but really wasn't impressed by them, certainly nothing special. I really didn't like seeing him live with GNR, he had absolutely no stage presence. Wearing a bucket and yellow jacket does not give you stage presence  :-\

Now Tommy Stinson, thats another story. Fine solo album, nice back catalog of records, and a bouncy stage presence. Keep this man in GNR (unless Westerberg wants him back then I want him to leave :p)

slipdisc, that post about Axl and Buckethead is one of the best posts I've read. I agree 100%. Axl's excuses have reached the point of absurdity. I think if BH's parts are taken off, this album is never coming out. How can losing the most innovative guitarist of our generation be taking things to the next level? So far this next level Axl speaks of has been zero accomplishment. Nothing has been done since BH left. I'm one of the people who thinks this album has been done since 1999/2000. This wait has been meaningless. He could have released it at any time, but chose not to. These "finishing touches" that Axl speaks of is nothing but procrastination.

Slipdisc:

about Your large post here

I think it's very hard to make an opinion based on opinions. We don't actually knows what happened there and why. But there's a true You can't deny - Buckethead has probably trippeled his albums salesment.
If people say he was so loyal it doesn't change the fact, that he could got pissed off and quit using the time for his solo work. His decision made consequences.
I remember that some member were saying that it won't make things slower(and it wasn't Axl), so it's not only Axl's opinion.

We all know, the Axl is perfectionist, so I'm not suprosied that he didn't find the replacemnt. Maybe there will be two guitars Guns N' Roses like it was before? Who knows?


Cheers
MoonMax

What's so stupid about saying Slash is the only one who knows the stories and the emotions in hes notes? and, it was about GN'R songs, not about how soulful hes now in VR or anything, about the OLD GN'R SONGS. maybe some people dont' see the emotion behind Slash's blues based playing, i understand, i don't see the emotion behind running scales as fast as you can. (this was the case in newgn'r, haven't listened bh's solo albums)

Slipdisc is saying BH can play them with "feeling" too. what's the problem there?

If you want to hear Slash go listen VR. Or his solos. No? you want it on GN'R? you got 3 great albums already plus videos and hell lots of boots.
If you want to hear BH's soulful guitar, you can have his albums. No you want to hear him on GN'R?
So do I. Lets Wait and see.

Well certainly the soul BH, put when he played the old gnr songs, back in the days,.... its only a matter of opinion, but for me and a lot of Guys, only SLASH, deserves to play them and  he is the only one who can play them with soul and emotion....  the artist himself playing his solos such a sweet child o mine a classic....

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Hey

i just thought i'd give my input on the 'Bucket V Slash' thing.

I think that most people BELIEVE that Slash is inititally better as he is the person that they associate the songs with when they hear them, and feel kinda 'xenophobic' towards anyone trying to become part of how it used to be, but upon closer inspection, i think you'll find that
1) Buckethead plays the songs AMAZINGLY
2) His solo records show he has amazing depth and emotion in what he plays

How many times can we have this debate of Bucket VS Slash? Guess a lot since nothing is happening with GNR and we need something to talk about.

I agree, Bucket is a great guitarist. But...he never really fit in with the other guys. But you have to admit choosing between Axl & Bucket on who needs the visit most to the psychiatrist is anyones guess.

How about a joint session with a psychiatrist? Now THAT would be interesting! :D

That would be some wild shit. I think it would be a career project for that Doc.

mmm, I would like to see slash performing with Buckethead, some day, that would be wild...


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Is that the only way you can sum up Buck's efforts in GNR????

I think that?s very untrue, it only applies partially to his solo spot during the show. The songs he played in weren?t hung up on speed at all. Furthermore, speed can be used as an element to add a dramatic edge to a song. It?s just as much of a way to express emotion as bending notes would be, or playing slow for that matter. The thing with speed however is, that most guitar players are too limited by their technique to do it tastefully. The general consensus on this board (fuelled by Mr. Slash?s blues background and the unwillingness of people to think outside the box) to claim that speed and emotion can?t go hand in hand is therefore utter BS in my honest opinion.

Outside the GNR-world of meandering pentatonic scales and endless bends, people seem to be able to grasp that concept. Just look at classical music, where people would never dare to complain to a violin player about how his speed is killing the emotion. Speed here, is just as important and elementary as everything else. Buckethead?s most famous and praised work however is the slower more ambient stuff. It?s nice of you to mention you haven?t heard his solo stuff. However it shows how little you know about the man and the potential he had for GNR regarding slower music (which most of the gunners seem to like), making the speed-criticism a little unfounded (cause speed isn?t what he is about).

Ever thought about the possibility of Axl wanting to go into a direction (music-wise) where Buck?s style could have been very suiting (being the pioneer in music Axl always was)? Most people here just seem to assume that Axl was planning on making some sort of revisited AFD and use this assumption to look at Buck?s style and conclude that he can?t possibly be the man for the job. This certainty some people seem to have in knowing what this new band was about and where it was going, with no CD to support it, just astonishes me. The only thing I know for sure is that Axl always wanted to move on with GNR? (in new musical directions) and his choice to move on with the guitarplayer of the 21st century isn't that weird in my book...

(Not all of the above was directed specifically at you makane, some of it is in response to what others were saying... you weren't the only one using the style/speed-argument)


Is that so? The mere fact that you needed the word ?probably? in that so called ?truth? should tell you enough about how true it really is.

I really think that you?re overestimating the impact of those few performances he had with GNR. It?s not 1992, you know (GNR isn?t the biggest band in the world anymore)? Furthermore, you?re ignoring the fact that a big part of his long time fans saw his participation with GNR as selling out (to the point where they refused to buy any of his albums in the futur and still are doing so). The latter were the people that bought the albums. The gunners probably just downloaded his stuff, since it?s not really their kind of music (the criticism on this forum, supports that statement). So somewhere down the line I really think it didn?t do all that much for him. Even if so, what?s wrong with people wanting to move on? I strongly believe that Buck was promised a totally different GNR, then it turned out to be (releasing albums, touring). Once he came to this conclusion he decided to move on. I don?t see this as part of some big scam to raise the attention towards his solo material.


It was Tommy, Axl?s loyal hand puppet. The day Stinson will have an opinion that differs only slightly from Axl?s should be declared as a national day of celebration.

-PEACE-

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What large post? I have no large posts??? ;) :hihi: :rofl:

Slipdisc, when you answer orwrite something you really do it with your heart man   :smoking:

As long as BH is on CD ill be happy, I really dont care if he is with the live band.

Dave, I completely agree. The success and media acceptance of CD hinge on Buckethead's presence on the album. Sounds crazy I know, but I think the topic of 'should BH's parts stay or go' is one of the reasons for the delay since he left. Most here dont agree with me on this, but I think Buckethead's aura is going to cast a very dark shadow over CD. People will wonder if it could've been better if he had been on the album. People will also contradict that same statement with' if this is taking it to the next level, how low was the level with BH on it?'. You will also hear comments like ' Why get rid of his work when he's one of the best guitarists around?' and 'Were you worried about BH stealing the attention from you?'. The media will continue asking these types of questions, and Buckethead's name will be mentioned in every article and review of CD. It will not be a pretty sight to watch, and constant references to Buckethead while Axl is attempting a mainstream comeback could send him right back into seclusion. I think it would be wise for Axl to at least leave BH on a few songs. Erasing all of BH's parts is going to turn out to be a HUGE mistake. I'm sure you dont believe this could happen and you think I'm crazy. But just wait and see. The second its announced, the media(and some fans) will be all over this like flies on shit.

Thank you!! : ok:

It's the only way I know. I mean I'm not (and never will be) one of the most frequent posters, but when I do so, I'll try to let it count?.

Anyway, that?s a very nice thing to say and I respect you for that!! This kind of appreciation among people with different points of view is sadly enough a rarity on message boards these days...Cheers mate!

-PEACE-

PS:

BTW, here's a little something for those who still might think that Buckethead is all about shred;

http://s12.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=10F6G24L99R550ZPBBBKTW4A64

Needless to say, but I meant to say; that I have very much respect for the nice compliment, for the gesture. After I posted it, I thought that the ?for that? ?part looked a little arrogant.?Like if it would take that much kindness for me to respect people? Now, I?m not saying I?m not arrogant!!?:hihi:? I just wasn?t when I wrote it. (http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/dday/wink.gif) Believe it or not,
I respect you all....? :hihi: :rofl:

I?m not under the impression that anybody gives a flyin' fuck about the above.

It?s just me soothing my conscience?

-PEACE- ;)

Cool words slipdisc  : ok:

Slipdisc, your point about Axl needing him for the slower stuff is right on point. Even a song and solo like Machete is perfect for newgnr. It's a huge loss. Simple as that. Most posters on this board are literally too musically immature to appreciate someone like Bucket. I really think he was the perfect accomplice for Axl's chaotic musical visions-Bucket could do anything Axl wanted. Unfortunately, in the end, Bucket wasn't willing to wait around and even more importantly, I don't think Bucket really liked the whole three guitar thing. I am sure he thought all he needed was a rhythm player, and he should handle all the lead work. Three's a crowd. :(

I beg to differ.
I believe that BH vs Robin theory is total BS.
He can handle playing with the other lead.
Robin can't play like BH. BH can't play like Robin.
Sure he must have been unsure of his being in GN'R.
I guess he wanted to play the new stuff than the old songs other people wrote.


Slipdisc, great posts. I'd try another angle about his departure.

Do we have any information on this actually, Axl might have gotten a new Lead guitarist already, we just don't know it?

Ppbebe, if you have ever seen Bucket live outside of Gnr, either solo or with a band, you wouldn't ever say Robin can do things Bucket can't do. Bucket can do anything and EVERYTHING better than Robin on guitar-hands down, no questions ask. That doesn't mean Robin is bad, just that Bucket is on a completely higher level. I simply think Bucket got bored having to share so many parts. That is why you would see him standing around some noodling or simply doing nothing in the corner. Who knows? Just my opinion. Since Bucket will never discuss it, I doubt we'll ever know the truth on why he left. :-*

I'm not talking about their skills.

I don't think anyone can exhibit a wicked balance between an eerie flavour/the feel of languor and the sloppiness like Robin does. It's dangerous.  :-*

Couldbe you're right about BH being in boredom.
I'm sure he doesn't get bored when he plays the tunes he wrote with Robin and the other members.
Tommy has said that it's made democratically. Axl had tried to make Everyone in the band happy... :(

Slash is the biggest loss for Axl.

:D

BH was the best lead guitar player since Slash.  He's the only one who didn't butcher the solos... he was always bang on.

I don't see anything "dangerouse" about someone screwing NR or Don't Cry solos, it just makes me sad.
Good thing about Bucket was that he had the skill to go trough Slash's solos without problems.

It's also nice to know someone sees his guitar playing "safe" as house.  :yes:

Maybe the biggest flaw with BH is that he don't look like he's putting much emotion in songs, if you compare his stage charisma to other great lead guitarists.

But I can't imagine him running around wild around the stage either.

About the soul, maybe I should listen to some of his solo-material to have an opinnion about that.

All this pining for BH - lets wait to actually hear what he did (if anything) for GNR before we ''miss'' him to much.

Buckethead does everything with soul, hes an incredible human being, people think oh that mask gimmick doesnt work for me, that has nothing to do with his talent and guitar playing. Having said that I think hes HOT (yes BH hes a sexy mysterious loving man), he was the sexiest man in GNR to me ....and dont give me that hubba bubba oh Axl axl ,slash slash, in old old gnr pics axl was a hanoi rocks wanna be dressing up like a david bowie reject... and slash used to paint a purple glitter strip on his cheek (like a prince groupie)before he threw it out for the top hat and afro covering his eyes, everyone has a little gimmick but in the end its the sound and performance that bring a fan back. If axl didnt sing and perform well I wouldnt be waiting so very patiently for the release of this alleged CD. BH will be performing in my town next month YOWSER !!! I cant wait.

why dont you stop mention slash?
if you want slash in gnr... go watch some old dvds and cds

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you are fuckin crazy....
maybe in your mind... axl needs slash... but now to make music... axl is better without slash... why play with guy that that always wants to play the same kind of music?
now axl can play with really creative guyz like BH or mothergoose

BTW this is off topic..
so dont post anything if you dont wanna talk about the real topic

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hehe, sorry pEPE, I dont know if axl is better doing music now than before, because remember he hasnt released any album yet, but  its just my opinion man, you are from spain right?

and slash what have done?
3 shitty albums? that's a fuckin joke!
and no Im chilean..