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what's your idea of the ideal gn'r comeback situation?
meaning if you could pick the way things were to be, when they came back.. how would it be?
mine, axl would ditch the braids and the sports jerserys, bring back the long hair, part old school rock star, but with something new, something to show for the last ten years (aesthetically) but that isn't the braids or sports jerseys...... they just.... don't.. work...

buckethead would rejoin (haha i know) and robin would get a haircut that doesn't involve him looking bald on the top of his head, they release a kick ass song that makes the teenybopper shit music that plays everywhere look like the crap it is. gn'r is subsequently everywhere, they make a kick ass video, it's released by november. a lot of fantasy is involved here i know... and of course everything shoots to #1 and kills VR's numbers. (by the way come on come in is an awful song.. and every time i hear it come on i think it's slither and then get dissapointed, but then realize it's VR by the lyrics about how dangerous they are.) annnnnnnnyway, and most importantly, they put out a fuckin crazy shit awesome cd that kicks all kinds of ass and was worth the wait.

and then... the worst case scenario.... damn, i can't even bring myself to realistically contemplate it. i think regardless of what's released it will be #1 and everything, but my worst case scenario is that the cd is bad. even though i'm quite  certain it's going to be brilliant.


so, thoughts?

I know this is totally unrealistic but who cares. Axl and the other guys settle there differences and VR and GnR announce a co headlining tour. Yeah i know, never will happen but hey it is wishful thinking  :peace:

To me the ideal GNR comeback would be to release a single, release a video, release the album, do a tour and make us all happy. : ok:

I think they should turn up at a live event say VMA's or something again, the braids and sports Jerseys dropped, back to old school axl, but they should turn up at a live show that VR are at and really piss them off. Then do a 15 performance of New Songs that blows the critics, the fans and VR away, and then at the end Axl announces to the world that CD will be rerleased in November. But they should not be on the lineup and make it one BIG SURPRISE. they release a single, the album and a video that makes VR look like a wannabe and totally take over the world once again GnR Style. Then Axl can get with a Supermodel again and get married have kids and be happy.  :peace:

the ideal would be a press release announcing a firm date

A-FUCKING-MEN!!!

I could do without the biker shorts if Axl reverts back to his old look.

The ideal comeback situation was the 2002 VMA's. There was a huge buzz about GNR, and the album should have been released after this performance. The GNR planets will never align in the same way again. But he should try something similar again, but really have CD ready this time.

the ideal comeback would be... (loose the braids and jerseys -obviously)

to do a club tour,

show up in some town/city local advertise one day, next day play in a club/pub/bar (just like the stones did in Toronto) and move on to the next place. (can be a different country, just spend a couple of months doing this, nobody will know where they will be next, so everybody can get excited)
This way they could warm up get used to the fans, realise how much they are appreaciated, they would get into the groove, just like back when they were struggling to get the fame.

(oh yeah, and web cast these gigs aswell)

the supermodel thing with the kids sounds like a good plan.maybe axl's kids will accually show up for gigs lol.talent is being waisted away.without axl on stage.or in the studio maybe.

Axl releases "Chinese Democracy" = Ideal Comeback

Noooo way.  That's one of the best parts!!! :-* :drool: :love:

the ultimate comeback is RELEASE THE FUCKING ALBUM ALREADY!

Well I noticed, that alot of comments, were about, How GNR return is going to piss off, Velvet Revolver, and how it is going to make them look as GNR wannabes, well I think Slash and the dudes care but, I dont think they are gonna get angry about it, maybe they wont even care or bother to buy the album... lets wait and see? by the way, Izzy's album "like a dog" is less expected and more underrated than Chinese Democracy, and I think its a big mistake from Gnr fans... because he has demostrated to be a huge talent, and he never cared about the " money, popularity and anything else" since the beggining, when they were the hottest band, I think Axl, took that attitude, when GNR meant nothing in the business, anyway I respect both musicians, but Izzy is definitely the "man" and Axl seems to be following his steps, by the way, Velvet Revolver Rocks, and it is band of friends and professionals....

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If i could pick the way things were to be, they never would've fucking split.  ;)

I second that

newgnr?

axl with 2001 look, robin with NIN era look

My ideal comeback is Axl comes to his friggin' senses, swallows his pride, calls up Slash, Duff, Izzy, and Matt and tells them he's ready to make a fuckin rock album.  They get back together, do the album they all want to do, and then go on tour and go back to being the best band in the world.

Rob, sounds like a plan. I've always wanted a proper followup to Use Your Illusion, and Chinese Democracy isn't it.

I believe most thing spacebrain5000 said above will be realised. It's the name, Guns N' Roses.
2001 look was far better than 2002. Axl was very good (even with the belly  :-*) and still seemed very young. He doesn't need the braids. Now that buckethead left, there won't be any criticisms about freaks in the band. I also want Robin to let his hair be long like we've seen him in his site. Like a hippie  :beer:
I'd like to see stadium tours, but that's hard to be done. C.D. must be a huge success to become true. The time fits around end of 2005 and early 2006. After that it's not worth to wait  :(

The "ideal" GN'R come back will be when Slash comes back.

the ideal is they come back as they are,


nesquick, Never heard of VR? your ideal is there. : ok:

That is what I want too... but you must add,  Duff, Matt, Izzy to the band....

Only 6 guys rock n rolling.....       

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We'll get it one day.  That one post you had in another thread about Slash, Duff, Matt, and Izzy writing some really kickass songs together that they are saving in case they ever get back with Axl, stuff like that gets me so psyched that if Axl ever gets back with them we're gonna get one helluva album.

I think CD is going to take the world by storm.... I just hope it comes out soon, im itching to hear it..

but yeah they are going to have a wicked come back.

Rob, I hope you're right. Before these guys are too old, I hope the Illusion era band gets back together and accomplishes what should have been done in 1994. It still boggles the mind that they never did a followup to Illusions. Its a big stain on the band's legacy. With the grunge explosion of 1991-94, GNR couldn't do anything to counterract it. Pretty fucking sad. They were the only band with the power to kill it, and all they could come up with was a cover album? Every member of GNR is lucky their careers weren't flushed down the toilet.

they didnt need to "kill it". It was a great era of music. If anything, the market would have determined they embrace it which they clearly didnt.
And every member of GNR's career did go down the toilet IMO. Slash, Duff and Matt have obviously revitalised their stock after a nigh on 10 year lull, but Axls wont be out of the toilet until CD proves to be the masterpiece that its been touted as

Jimmy, I'm not saying everything in grunge sucked. Soundgarden was the best band during that movement, but I dont consider them grunge. That movement needed to be destroyed. It completely changed the scene with mediocre music, and caused rich kids to start shopping at thrift stores for flannel shirts. It was pathetic. This was when MTV noticed that they could easily sway pop culture in the direction they wanted. They started shoving low morality down everyone's throats, and right after the "success" of grunge, MTV started shoving hip hop gang banger shit down everyone's throats, and society still hasn't recovered. A monstrous GNR album in 1994 might have completely altered the musical landscape, and music wouldn't be in the toilet like it has been for the past 10 years. For some reason, people dont seem to link the absence of GNR with the downfall in quality of music, and the trends that downfall created.

I agree - I never really liked the grunge movement, it was ok 1 year or 2 but finally that was it because it was poor musically - for exemple, Nirvana didn't have the talent to write a song like "November rain" , "Estranged" or "Coma". They weren't enough talented for that, they were far too limited. I don't even think Kurt Cobain had enough talent to play 1/10? of Slash guitar solos. Nirvana wasn't that great, compare to GN'R, U2 and Queen, Nirvana were really less talented.? The only "grunge" band that I respect is Pearl Jam, but I don't even call them a grunge band, they moved on very quickly and didn't stay in grunge music.

Be posive and optimistic, for 2 years, rock has been back, Rock just needs another  BREAKTRHOUGH record, a worldwide Rock phenomenon record, only GN'R (because of the name) can do that: Chinese Democracy.

the point of Nirvana was never to write epics like Estranged etc.. they were essentially a different genre, closer to punk than to GNRs bombastic rock (UYI era)
do you want Snoop Dogg to write a song like Estranged? No, let him stick to rapping please

And regarding Kurt not playing 1/10th of Slashs solos? No, he was nowhere nere as technically skilled a guitar player as Slash. That wasnt the point, he played and wrote with soul and feeling (much like Slash in that sense). As we've discussed countless times before, technical ability/profiency doesnt automatically equate to good music. Countless times you've stated you prefer Slash's more basic soulful approach to Bucketheads shredding. This illustrates exactly what Im trying to say

So umm , now you want the old band back and not the new band?  ???

A change of opinion starts now!!

Saul, its not a change of opinion. I want Chinese Democracy just as much as everyone else. I really hope Axl succeeds on his own terms, and can prove he could do it without the old members. I meant they should do it after CD has run its course.

The thing about grunge and nirvana is that it was an outlet for teenage kids to let off some steam and anger, while gnr and the illusions were a little bit sappy in comparison, kids wanna "rock out with their cock out" and axl and the band seems to have let the fire in their hearts die (maybe due to $?), compare appetite and lies to the illusions, the raw energy was missing.
dont get me wrong, there were/are some good/great songs on the illusions but unless you were a fan, the lesser filler songs dont count for shit.

Axl is a great talented frontman, he was in a great band with an awesome- talented guitar player names Slash.
why axl felt the need to destroy the band is anyones guess, but he went in the wrong direction.

As much as the axl fans want axl to release his effort and have it succeed is great, im all for it, but he really shouldnt be calling it GNR and deep down you know it too.

At least VR is out there doing something and producing decent/good music so we have that to enjoy and look forward to the next record by VR which will probably be out before axl gets his self together.

It's like this .... say if it 'were' to actually happen , a reunion ... 1st off it would take a significant amount of time for all of the old members to work out what problems they have. Obviously Duff , Slash , matt and it looks like Izzy are on the same page but getting Axl to to agree with and enjoy being around and touring with these guys and vice versa for them towards axl would be a huge hurdle.

Secondly , when could this happen?! Right the now the old members are in a very good band , writing and touring and preparing to release a second album and promote the hell out of that. This was slash and duffs second chance .. do they throw all that away just to take a HUGE risk of a reunion tour (oh geez , you guys are actually talking bout writing and recording an album!) with Axl?

Third , do you expect axl to scrap all the work he's put into the new album(s) and the new band? By the time he releases , promotes , puts out every single thats on and tours behind chinese democracy and then say he wants to release the other album(s) he says are allready written you can fast forward atleast 5-10 years.

I just dont see how a GNR reunion is possible unless all those guys just scrap everything they think is important in their lives right now. I think it's impossible and I wish the "fans" would get over it allready and embrace and enjoy what we have.

i completely agree.
the original gn'r had its time
it's over now, time to move on... it's been over a long time.
"up my ass that's where slash is..."
axl's doing what he wants to do, and so are the rest of the guys
you can't expect people to do certain things just to make other people happy
especially when they're artists (err, axl is anyway)
really now,
personally i love the new band.. (liked it more when buckethead was around but still...)
and i think slash and duff and all of them were holding axl back from what he really wanted to do and experiment with..
anyone who thinks they're going to reunite and record another album is dreaming..
i love slash and the original band as much as anyone
but at least it ended before it could become stale and repetitive, and redundant
and at least now, while we do have gn'r still, and for that we are very lucky, it's something new and different.  with new artists involved and with new things to offer.
if the original gn'r's last album was an album of covers, how cohesive and creatively stimulated by each other could they really have been...

Saul and spacebrain, you're both right. I know a reunion is very unlikely. But it would be a good final chapter to GNR.

A reunion now is inane. Axl's efforts would be waisted and the credits would go to others as well (not officially but many people would not know that), and that would't be fair, right?

I didn't mean a reunion should happen right now. That would be Axl's worst decision yet. If a reunion happened before Chinese Democracy, it would prove Izzy was the main talent in the band, and destroy Axl's legacy. Obviously, Axl isn't gonna let that happen.

Yeah, all those albums and tours with the old band were holding Axl back from being able to voice characters in video games.  You people make me laugh.  We should be happy with what we have?  What exactly do we have?  One dissapointment of a band that completely wasted their talent on their first album, and another group of jobbers headed by Axl that haven't done jack shit.  You'd take that over the greatest band of all-time...which is what GN'R was in their heyday.  If the real GN'R got back together I would forget about CD in a matter of seconds, and so would all of you.

Rob, I agree with what you just said. But CD has to come out for there to be any chance of a reunion. No CD and a reunion proves Axl was not the major talent behind GNR. It was Izzy. CD and a reunion, lets say 2 years after CD, would prove that Axl has his own talent and is capable of succeeding on his own. Every former member of GNR has done something with their career, besides Axl. Without CD, he is a joke not only to his fans, the media and himself, but also to his ex band members. No CD, no reunion.

I hear you.  I admit I am a bit impatient for a reunion.  Axl never releasing CD would definitely tarnish his career big time.  But I think him never releasing CD or reuniting with the old band tarnishes it even more.  If he reunites without ever releasing CD, it'll make him look somewhat untalented, but if he never does anything again it'll make him not only look untalented, it'll cement everyone's view that he was friggin' insane too.  Eventually CD has to stop being taken into consideration, cause if this delay lasts too much longer, its never coming out.  I'd rather have everyone's memories of Axl be of someone who couldn't do it without his old band, than someone who couldn't do it at all.

Rob, I agree with that. But I would take your not coming out statement one step further. I think if it isnt out by year's end, its never coming out. I know that gets said every year, but this time its true. There's no logic behind another year of delays. Fan frustration is at an all time high. If we drift into 2006 and its the same old shit about 'Maybe in March, maybe in July,' then ' oh wait, its gonna be in November' and shit like 'He might do Rio' and ' surprise VMA performance, then Chinese Democracy is over. There's no reason to wait another year. He's been working on this since 97-98. If he needs an extra year of excuses, then it proves the album isn't loaded with "Big Guns" and it probably isn't even close to being a classic. Did Led Zeppelin sit on Physical Graffiti for 8 years? Did Pink Floyd sit on The Wall for 8 years? Absolutely not. You dont sit on masterpieces, you release them. Alot of people are going to walk away from this when January comes with no CD.

I realize you're just speculating/comparing for conversations sake, but does any rational fan even realistically expect anything remotely comparible to the above?

I mean c'mon, we're talking about a guy whose never been a solitary creative force whose surrounded himself with players (although talented) who've never exactly been known for their songwriting skills within the framework of their prior bands.

Hell, I'd be happy with a solid, focused album with a couple of good singles and a completed tour...

Didn't you mention once that you'd "be happy with a solid, focused album" in the veign of Nirvana's In Utero?

'cause I think both you and I know that ain't happening.

I'm sure I've mentioned something along the lines? "solid/focused" before,? not sure about any specific "In Utero" reference though.


Nope, don't think we'll be seeing any stripped down/low fi Steve Albini type of offering from an 8 piece..

Amen to that. One of the truest posts Ive read in a long time

we're lucky we have fucking anything, honestly. axl doesn't owe anyone shit. he doesn't have to release fucking anything if he doesn't want to.? the fact that he is spending so much time perfecting something he wants to unleash to the world is testament enough that he cares enough to deliver a quality product.? personally, i definitely wouldn't forget about CD if the original gn'r were reuniting.. why are people so fixated on that?? the original gn'r had their time. it's fucking over dude. there's so much bad blood and shit going around it would be impressive if they could have a civilised conversation let alone a bloody reunion. and for who? the fans?? you, nor i nor anyone has even heard cd, even if it has taken so bloody long, this is axl.. gn'r, and a lot of their songs and things were axl's brainchild. so what if it takes a long time? art takes as long as it needs to. axl's an artist, dude.. so you can't legitimately make any remarks about anyone forgetting about CD because no one has even bloody heard it. personally, there's a lot of songs that i love of the new gn'r (the blues, madagascar especially) and i think it's going to shape up to be something very beautiful. you can't rush this shit.

tell me i'm deluding myself all you like.. but i'm just as frustrated as anyone else about the wait, and everything... but seriously, some fans need to stop acting like spoiled brats... have patience, and it will be worth the wait.

and this reunion stuff, i wish all of that talk/ daydreaming would stop.
even if they did, it would never be what it once was.

brilliance doens't just materialize
and you can't just expect things because you feel entitled to it

The Ideal Gn'R comeback for would be VR finishing up their tour for their second album and taking a break.  Scott gets back with STP for a reunion tour and Axl, Slash, and Duff realize what they had.... Then they decide to do a small tour and see what happens. Then they call Izzy and try really hard to convince him to give it a shot.  If not they could use Kushner, Fortus or even Gilby.  I really do not give a crap who is on drums, but I would prefer it not be Matt. In a perfect world, or atleast my perfect world they Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven would all be there.  I really think Steven could handle it and if he couldn't they have guys who know the songs.....

True.

Spacebrain, no album should take this long.  The time for "patience" is over, buddy.  It can't possibly be worth the wait.  I can't believe some of you people don't see the absolute ridiculousness of this situation.  Just for comedic value, what do you think is gonna happen, Spacebrain?  How do you envision Axl going about releasing CD?

wellllllllllllll maybe you're right, and patience isn't the right word...
have faith i guess... at least for a little while longer..
if you want.
but feel free to be miserable about the state of gn'r and that cd is gonna suck and is never gonna come out, and everything of that nature, feel free.

and for your comedic entertainment
i think....
well i don't really know.
it's pretty bleak..
i can just hope really.
hope a lot.
that it will be released sometime in the next millenia.
i'll be around until the end of this year and if nothing happens, stop fixating on it and go abouts with my life...
i'm counting on november. if no album, then at least some news.
i'm a little iffy if it will happen... it seems hopeless right now i know.. i do believe eventually, it will come.
i want a cd as badly as anyone
but people here are going out of their minds waiting for it. out of their bloody minds...

i make art, i consider myself an artist of sorts, which is the only reason i give axl any credence really... but i really think that if an artist is given, as many materials as he likes, as much time as he likes, to do whatever he likes... we're in for something amazing. i truly believe this. axl wrote estranged and november rain single handedly.... i did mean what i said about not rushing anything. of course i didn't anticipate it would take this bloody long for an album either...

The ideal  comeback situation has  come and gone. If and when CD is  released  it  will be an uphill battle  to overcome all the bad press and vibes from the last  failed  tour.

Falcon, I don't think CD will come close to Physical Graffiti or The Wall. To be honest, years ago I actually thought it could be. But then reality set in. If Axl has to constantly tweek on a song, then that song has problems.  Another thing that proves it wont be a masterpiece is the songs we've already heard. I really like the song CD, but the only real highlight so far is The Blues. Axl's response to the lukewarm reviews to his new material was that he had a bunch of "Big Guns" saved up. Yeah right. I think CD can be an album we all love, but its not going to change the world like some people here believe. This "CD changing the world" attitude is one of the reasons we're still sitting here with no CD. So if CD cant be GNR's 'Physical Graffiti', maybe it can be their 'Led Zep III' or 'Houses of the Holy'. I would be happy with that.

I admire your faith, Spacebrain.  I gave up on CD a while ago.  I'd like to be optimistic about it, but I can't.

if you have no faith, why are you here? if it's gonna suck so bad, why waste your time, right?
are you concerned that it will suck or that it will just never come out?

morbid curiosity?

i think that when it does come.. it's gonna be good.. real good..
i love that axl does his own way about things.. you know, at least when it does come out, the bloody cd is gonna be monumental. one of the most anticipated albums of all time... not just some lame ass shit he crapped out one day.
this is the goods. it has to be....


though i don't know what axl gains from constantly waiting.. if that is what he's doing.. who knows..

to discuss GN'R with other people around the world. face it, many have lost faith in the CD, but they come here to deiscuss GN'R before they burned out. Theres nothing wrong with that.

Exactly NIB.  But to answer your question, Spacebrain, I think that if Axl were to release it it would be good.  I don't think it will be on the level of old GN'R stuff, and I don't think it will be some groundbreaking monumental masterpiece...but I do think it will be a good album.  I just don't think we're ever gonna hear it.

I've pretty much given up as well.  It has seemed that something was just about to happen for the past three years.  At some point you have to start asking the difficult questions and I honestly don't see any reason to be optimistic at all.  People say, "it has to happen soon" but we've been hearing that since the 2002 tour was announced and nothing has happened.  If the album ever does get released i'll buy it but i'm no longer waiting for or expecting its release.

That sounded me like Axl speaking.  :-X

sorry, believe me, i wish...

i make art and shit. i draw. i can link to some stuff if you want..

i'm definitely not axl. sorry.

well, it sounded cool that way, for a moment I thought it's Axl pretending he's a simple user that talks about GN'R.  ;D

Very, incredibaly true.  Ive already posted my two cents, how I love that Axl is doing this his way not the worlds way, that's never been totally done, that's why I know it's gonna be special and amazing.  The longer the wait the happier I am.  I know it's gonna come out 'one day', you know, let him do his thing.  Maybe people forget he's a human being, maybe he doesnt feel like it coming out now, so what if he wants to take it slow, maybe he is waiting for something before he does this, maybe he's working out personal issues before the release, and to not support and respect and hold off on selfish impatience over that is rude and disrespectful.  He knows his life, he knows what's best, he knows that the timing will be perfect, when it comes.

I also liked your post spacebrain before that one I quoted in, where you said "brilliance doens't just materialize and you can't just expect things because you feel entitled to it".  Very good.

thank you! wow, someone who agrees with me finally  :peace:  ;D

and i agree with everything you said also- honestly, the people pestering at him to release somethin'- leave him be to do his thing. it'll come when it's ready. until then.. you ain't doing anything productive with your time bitchin'.  :peace:

Your welcome :)

Yeah I totally agree with you, I read your other posts.? Im the biggest Axl  supporter/defender, I dont like posting or really even reading when I see people going back and forth between bashing and defending him cause it makes me mad, but sometimes I like to jump in, but then I end up writing so much haha.? Ive said what I have said about him in previous threads, sometimes you just cant change peoples minds or make them see why things are the way they are, so it's just running around a dead end by posting it over and over again.? I dunno, it just makes me mad, because people dont know why he's doing what he's doing, maybe if they did then they would understand a little better, but yet again people are so selfish and uncompassionate and non understanding that they probably wouldnt.? He has his reasons, just because he doesnt make them public doesnt mean they arent there.? Im kinda confused to why people are so angry and doubtful about the wait, in my oppinion I think it makes it more exciting and have faith that Axl is gonna create something beyond amazing.? If something is different, dont doubt it, go with it, because if it's different from the rest then you know it's special and you know it's from a mind who thinks like no other.? Axl knows what he's waiting for, and when he gets it, things will change.? Let him deal with it, he's in control, let him do his thing.

You can`t help but get a little frustrated when year after year goes by with rumored release dates that come and go and no word or explination on what is going on.

I`m still going to but CD the day it comes out whether it is in 2005 or 2015. A simple statement to the fans that have made Axl all his money over the years regarding the long wait and to hang in there at least would be cool.

My sentiments exactly!!!!  I am slowly losing interest as each year goes on, I hate to say it.  I love Axl, I love GNR but damn, how many times can the same thing be talked about year, after year, after year.