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The dj on 94.1 here in Madison, WI just said there's a strong rumor out there that Sorum is not coming back even when his wrist heals due to his relationship, or lack thereof, with Weiland. I luv rock n' roll rumors!

I think that would be awesome lol....Matt is a tool bag.....

I wouldnt be that disappointed if they dropped Sorum to be honest
Ive never been a huge fan of his drumming, Id prefer someone with a bit more groove -

Matt's worked with 2 of the most whacky front men in the business in Ian Astbury and Axl Rose,
I'd think Weiland would be a picnic in comparison..

As Botaxl said, gotta "luv rock n' roll rumors!"...

you really think they'd make up some wrist injury if he was really leaving the band

A radio station made an announcment last year before I saw them that Scott and Slash cancelled the show here in Columbus due to the two not getting along.
So I highly doubt this is true.

although I could care less who is drumming. I always thought Matt was just the same as any other drummer.

Matt is a great drummer but imo opinion he's always held back the slash and duff. The groove they had during Appetite was long gone after they started playing with MAtt. Therefore the chances of having another album as successful as appetite were gone too. Adler's style was simple but it fit in the puzzle

agreed.

I think people are reading too much into the Entertainment Weekly article where Scott and Matt didn't seem to be getting along-

He was a downfall with GNR considering the man is what drummers call ham-fisted.  He doesn't have any control in my opinion.  He hits the drums hard and doesn't let his kit breathe.  Imagine November Rain if another drummer was behind the kit accenting when and when-not to pulverize the kit.  And He seems like a grade-a prick.  I'm glad Axl called him a former "employee".  I think VR could be a much better band if they had a more"experimental" drummer.  A better drummer makes everyone sound better.

I don't think there is any special about Matt.

Other drummers that made an impact:

Neil Pert
Bonzo
Keith Moon
Jim Fox
Ginger Baker

To bad they are either A: dead or B: already busy or old.

I know this won't happen, but my favorite drummer is Eric Kratz from STP.  His work on "Purple" was nothing short of Phenominal.  He would bring out the best in Slash and Duff.

Yeah, Scott doesn't like to have groupies hanging out backstage.

I guess one of things VR will look for in the replacement is the marital status :hihi:

thats a great way to put it. he doesn't let his kit breathe! take you could be mine & set me free for example. you could be mine should fit right in Appetote but it doesn't because its matt not steven. He needs to let is hit hat swish more. You get a groove that way

This is a band of friends, and most important, of professionals, Matt wouldn't leave the band just because he can't get along with Scott,  that is just another rumour...


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How is Adler's playing these days? I'd love Adler to join VR (if he can play that is). Otherwise, maybe Tommy Lee? At anyrate, I think this rumor is BS.

Matt is one of the main reasons, that i listen to VR.... :peace:

I love his work on the Illiusions... 8) :)

Matt is a great drummer, just not the right one for GnR in my opinion. It would be sort of like John Bonham drumming for the Beatles. Ringo Starr wasn't much of a technical drummer (kind of like Adler), but he had a swing that made the Beatles backbeat. Sourm was a Bonham-type, more on the beat than behind it slightly (a swing groove). Not a good or bad thing, just the way some drummers are. Some lay back, some or right on the beat, and others a hair ahead.

That said I wouldn't mind if they kept Brian Tichy on for awhile, he's a great drummer.

Adler was great for slash & duff, 'cause they couldve played practically anything over adlers classic r&r drumming style.
now with matt, they have to like have the same groov and sometimes slow down a bit...
man, listen to Duff & Steven on Nightrain, perfect.

exactly! my fav gnr rocker! man I love that song! Stevens simple but effective drumming gives slash, duff & Izzy space to do what they do best

Appetite and the Illusions were two completely different things IMO. And so its hard to say, I will agree about the hi hat being more open in one instance, Rocket Queen at tokyo but thats rather irrelavent. I would be gutted if matt left VR, he obviously isnt but needless to say they have such a strong chemistry if it ever did happen it would never be the same.

Like Dayle1066 said , The Illusions and Appetite were two completely different things. I loved Adler's playing on Appetite. Matt does sound robotic at times, but he is a good drummer. Illegal I has some fine playing on it. I think the production on Contraband doesnt do the bass and drums any justice. Come On, Come In sounds much better, especially the bass.

I don't think Matt is going anywhere, i think they would dissolve the band before they ever changed a member, those guys are tight. Yeah they have there arguments i am sure but what band doesn't. :peace:

I remember another great band from days past that I felt the same way about. Now if I could only remember their name....  :hihi:

That'd be 100% sad - Although I don't really believe it.  Because although most people don't think too much of the drummer - they play a big part of the role in the band!  and Matt is very good! Just look at the UYI2 dvd from Tokyo!! I love him!!  :love:

yeap matt is cool...

 

Matt Sorum is an excellent drumer!
Kind of guy you could never compare Brain,  Steven or some other scum bag to.
Sorum,  Grohl,  Bonham all fantastic drumers with excellent techniques.
Slash and Matt hold VR,   by far the best two band members.
Plus,   the guy who takes most time for the fans.
Never seen such fan friendly and down to earth person like Matt and Gilby!

He came out and sang back up vocals in Dallas on 8.25.05, so it is unlikely that he is leaving the band. Another rumor that is bullshit.

I don't see why they'd ever get rid of Matt.  But if they were to there'd only be one guy in the world I'd rather see on drums.  Popcorn anyone?

STEVEN A. ?

oh yes Popcorn would perfedtly fit the shoes...

I love steven adler but at this point in life I think someone reliable is what the guys of vr are looking for in their fellow mates.. Matt does a damn good job and he was part of the project so lets not hope vr becomes gnr..Lets get izzy too :D

OK, everyone has different taste... But c'mon!
How can you compare Adler or anyone else to Matt!?
Adler and all the other drummers suggested aren't 50% of Matt!
Also Adler is annoying.
As to people who mention Matt and Illusions..
Illusions are (apart from My World),  legendary albums.
All the songs there were played by Matt Sorum,  therefore,  don't talk crap.
You think anyone else could do Coma,  Dead Horse,  Nov.  Rain,  You could be mine,  Pretty tied up or Locomotive better?
Well sorry,  Matt spend 2 and a half years on the UYI tour prooving you wrong!
I still say,  not only is Matt holding VR with Slash,  but he did that back in GNR.

I disagree Croatia.  I always enjoyed Steven's drumming more.  It seems to me he's doing more.  Matt's drumming seems much more methodical...almost mechanical.  Steven's style is much more loose and free.  Plus Steve's just a cooler guy.  That comment Matt made in the Behind The Music, "What's with the piano?"  What a stupid comment that was.  What's wrong with a rock band using piano in their songs?  Plenty of badass rock bands have used piano...GN'R, Aerosmith, Black Sabbath, and many more.  I'd much rather have Steven...as long as he's somewhat sober.

i think he was kinda joking about the piano thingie.. but anywho at that time GNR wasnt the kinda band usin a piano, so he was probbably taken off guard...

as for steven a cooler guy?
have you heard camp freddy radio with matt++? he fuckin' rocks there! they are shit ass funny  : ok:

matt rocks!

Steven plays classic rock, Matt plays modern rock.
end of story.

I am sorry,  but I definatelly don't share your oppinion!
Anyone who has ever seen any Matt interviews or has meet him in person knows how cool Matt is!
He is one of the coolest guys in rock world.
He is infact the only guy who would come down from the stage and have a beer or juice with any fan in almost any place he plays.
He'd answer any question anyone might have without 'gloves'.
He would never leave without signing autographs or taking pictures with the fans no matter if there are 20 or 250!
I have meet him in Slovenia and he was the only VR who took time for the fans (he took as long as needed),   I also asked him over confused slovenians if we could take a picture since we came from Croatia and he was really glad to do so.
He took more than half a minute till my girlfriend has set a camera a talked to us about Croatia and a bunch of GNR and Cult fans he heard about from there.
Only a weeklater while all the VR were in the changing room guarded by security gorrilas,  I saw him in Budapest after the concert sitting with his girlfriend right in the bar of the venue where they just played.
Despite all thoose 5000 potential fans asking for pics and autographs.
Therefore,  please don't  talk about Matt' coolness.
He is the coolest GNR along with Gilby.
Don't forget that Matt came in and gave GNR a whole bigger dimension at the point in time where Steven has let them down!

When VR played Sayreville, NJ last summer there were only a few people waiting outside to get some autographs and nobody came outside...not Matt not anyone.  In fact one of the security guys said they weren't coming out until everyone was gone.

That's what security tends to do sometime so that everyone goes home and they don't have any work.
I remember once my mom and I saw Page and Plant here in Zagreb too and they are her generation so we figured out we could try get their autographs.
Once they came out,  the security tried moving away all 10 people standing there,though,  Page and Plant asked them to hold on a minute.
Everyone was kind and patient and there is no reason why they won't stop for a while.
Eveyrone was happy - apart from security.
When VR played Ljubljana,  slovenian security began pushing people towards the exit and kicked the people sitting on the floor who waited till 4000 people were leaving through 1 (ONE!) exit 5 minutes after VR left the stage.
One guy complained why they kicked him,  the security pushed him away and told him he'll call his friends who will kick his teeth out if he'll ask one more question!   The girlfriend of the guy told them they haven't done anything when the security replied she'llget her portion too.
Nothing against slovenians,  but I have never seen bigger gestapo methods.
I think bands should interact more with the organizers cause it is usually their fans getting hurt by idiots.
I know their job is to keep bands save,  but if there are bands who want to make contact with fans - let it be.
If not - OK.  But nobody needs to get hurt.
To come back to the post,  maybe it is true,  maybe security wanted you away.
There are very strange guys doing that job.

Unlikely. Matt is tight with Slash and Duff. He will be back,  for better or for worse. He is not a bad drummer. Maybe a sleaze in real life, but not a bad drummer.

Why on earth would Matt be a sleaze in the real life, you know him!?
Or because he doesn't act like a rock primadona?

He does act like a primadona and he always comes off as sleazy in interviews.

Just like I mentioned.
I still think he is the nicest and most down to earth rock star I met.
Primadonas aren't are usually people who hang around with fans taking pictures and giving autographs while their band mates run from bus to stage,  from changing room to bus and then back to plane.
They are also not kind of people who have a beer and chat with fans at the venue' bar 10 minutes after 2 hour gig while the rest of the band is sitting in the changing room behind 50 security guys till their bus varrives 2 hours later..
However,  perhaps you had a bad experience with him when he had a bad day or something,  I don't know.
Nevertheless,  my oppinion of him and Gilby is extremly high as far as their character is considered. 

Matt has a history of freaking out over nontrival things.

"What's with the piano?"

cool words...

MAtt was actually told by Axl what to play on November Rain, go shove your theory in your snare drum.

My mention was Matt PULVERIZING THE KIT.? Not what he played.? ?Watch how Brain plays the tune.? ?::)

A piano that takes up more space on stage than a drum kit ain't 'nontrivial'. :peace:

People,  I think this is going the wrong direction.
It started with Matt Sorum and wheather or not he is leaving the band.
It is now to people saying they don't like him due to his style.
Firstly,  style is what one does or doesn't like,  you can't say someone is good or bad cause you do or don't like his style.
I must say GNR were definition of the word rock n roll just like Led Zeppelin.
Therefore,  GNR needed a drummer like Matt Sorum who is very close to John Bonham.
Now when you say shit about Matt and his style,  you are running very close to say shit about John Bonham as well.
Which considering Bonham is known to be the biggest drumming icon ever is very - FUNNY!
You can't compare some Brain dude or any other such drummer cause they will never reach Matt,  Binham or Dave Grohl.
To start off,  unlike the three mentioned,  Brain has never played in a major rock act
Secondly,  Brain is not a rock n roll drummer and he is playing in nu metal band which has nothing to due with rock n roll.
Its basically like saying,  Kenny Rogers is better than Slash or Page or Hendrix.
Ridiculous.

Don't you guys see whats happening!? Whos the first one to leave GN'R? Adler, the drummer. Whos gonna be the first one to leave VR? Sorum, the drummer! Eveything that happened to GN'R is playing out the same way in VR! Dun dun daaaaaa...

Coming soon: VR with keyboards and backround singers.. a double album.. a controlling frontman.. a new rythm guitarist...

Coming eventually: Slash and Duff get kicked out. Weiland begins work on Japanese Republic.

 :hihi:

And on the Matt VS. Steven debate.. Steven is way better for GN'R. Im not sure what Croatia is thinking when he says "You think anyone else could do Coma,  Dead Horse,  Nov.  Rain,  You could be mine,  Pretty tied up or Locomotive better?"

Yeah I do. A drum machine could pull it off better. Personally for me the lowlight of the UYI's have been the drumming. Really boring stuff. The track that I always wish Adler played on was "Garden Of Eden"... cuz Matt's drumming kills that song. And Matt's "amazing" drum solos during the UYI tour?  :hihi:

Izzy summed it up in a great sentence...

"Adler's drumming made the band; he made a big musical difference. His sense of swing was the push and pull that gave those songs their feel, afterwards, nothing worked."

     - Izzy Stradlin

And im not trying to bash Sorum as a player in VR (cuz hes good for that band) or as a person. Im just judging him purely as a GNR drummer.

And my opinion on the actual thread topic? I think if Matt left VR would be done. Slash and Duff would rather find a new singer then have Matt leave.

    -jack

hehe I enjoyed reading the first lines man,... but remember Steven was fired.... he didnt leave it  :crying:

O yeah.. fired.. lol. My bad.  ;D

In response to the guy that said Sorum hit the drums real hard in November Rain, I agree with ckgent that Sorum was told exactlly what to play.  He has said this several times.  Axl wanted the drums to sound like Elton John's Bennie and the Jets, and it does.....a lot.  Sorum actually said VR is like his first real band because he helps wright the songs and can play what he wants.  I like his drumming a lot on the VR album.  On UYI he played like a puh c.

Exactly my point. Sorum deserves respect. But not for anything he did with the guns.  :peace:

I agree that Matt's drums are pretty cool in VR.. I dodb't care for him in Gn'R though....

well  in those "amazing" drum solos from 92 he could also play what he wanted or am i wrong??

I don't think I ever liked or disliked a band or listened to them for that matter because of the drummer.
Wait, that's not true, an old buddy from mine in high school plays drums and a initiallly liked them b/c of him, but thier actually real good, TLV.

If this rumor were to be true, I want Steven Adler as the new VR drummer.  Anyone else would be a disapointment!

Are you on drugs? Sorum as good as Bonham? You're out of your tree mate.

I can't belive you even said that? :no:

Since you can't belive,  I'll say it again.
Matt Sorum + John Bonahm = same style and great drummers.
Happy now?

 ::)

Give me even one way in which they're the same

"Matt Sorum + John Bonahm = same style and great drummers."

Over the years I have heard some really stupid things on this board, stupid to the point of being funny.  This one ranks in the top 10. 

Matt is a solid drummer, Bonahm was a god behind the kit.  I am willing to bet any Matt would agree he can't be compared to Bonahm.

No offence to anyone,  though,  one should read what others say.
It doesn't say anywhere Matt Sorum is better than John Bonham,  but 'Matt and Bonham are have same style'.
I can't tell you what Matt thinks of Bonham nor what would Bonham think of Matt if he were alive,  nor would I bother to do so cause I don't give a damn.
I can only tell you what everyone having ears can hear - they do have same style.
If you bother typing,  please bother reading before quoting. : ok:

Check out the pictures.  THEY ARE NOT THE SAME

Has the live DVD now officially gone Chinese Democracy?? >:( rumours say nov. 23rd, pretty lame advertisement if thats true eh? maybe they should wait 'til next album and more songs?