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ban me if you like, people have a right to know. fucking powertrip mods.

People have the right to know what?

That the album might be out in 2005?


You've gotta be fucking kidding me.





/jarmo

dude who cares...u made 2 threads about 2 of the worst gnr forums.

pieces of shit.

ever read mygnr? its a joke

Fuck that site....

The mygnr homepage is the most pathetic webpage I have ever seen. There is no order what so ever. With all the money they are making off of GNR, they could at least invest in a little php.

Oh and that lil scrolling marquee; THAT is supposed to be eye catching for news? Too bad seach engines dont have the "lame filter" yet. ::)

i know some of it is recycled, but if you deny your readers this information you're principles are just wrong. so make or break, here it is in it's entirity:

The release of 'Chinese Democracy', the much vaunted new album by Guns n'roses, is drawing ever closer, and could see a release as early as November/December of 2005.
July of 2005 should see Caram Costanzo and Merck Mercuriadis meet up to decide the final credits on the completed 'Chinese Democracy' album. And because the album was mostly recorded over the past two to three years, it does look as though that many producers and musicians alike will miss out despite devoting much time to the new Guns album. It is said though that a small amount of 'old' work does still remain on 'Chinese Democracy'. So musicians such as Brian May could still feature on CD, even though the chances are slim.

Brain Mantia, the drummer of Guns n'roses, is extremely confident that he will feature on all of the tracks on the new Guns n'roses album and gives us an idea as to what tracks will feature on the album.

'Prostitute' is likely to feature as one of the strongest tracks on the new Guns n'roses album. Although the roots of the song go back to the late 1990's, the meat of the song was actually only recorded in the last two-three years. Paul Buckmaster who did orchestration for the song told us "Prostitute is a mid-up, kind of biting, aggressive rhythm section; the way I wrote for the string section (32-piece, consisting of ten 1st Violins, eight 2nd Violins, six violas, and eight cellos) gives the song another dimension of, ice and fire, kind of powerful". Buckmaster also told us that 'Prostitute' was a 3-5 minute song

Already aired tracks 'Madagascar' and 'The Blues' will also feature on the new album, according to members of Guns n'roses, as will the title track 'Chinese Democracy'. Members were not so sure about 'Rhiad and the Bedouins' though. However, elsewhere understands that the song has been A-listed and is therefore a strong candidate for the new album.

Leaked track, 'IRS', is also a definite for the new album, although Merck Mercuriadis has stated that there are at least ten tracks on the new album which he considers stronger tracks than IRS.

'TWAT' and 'Catcher in the Rye' are also expected to strongly feature on the new album. 'TWAT', an acronym for 'There Was a Time', was not regarded as a memorable song by Paul Buckmaster, but it is a song that is personal to Axl, so is likely to feature on the new album. The song itself features orchestration by Paul Buckmaster. 'Catcher in the Rye' has long been regarded as one of the 'big guns' on the new album, and Axl is alleged to have bigged up the song quite a few times to fans and friends alike. Dizzy Reed describes both songs as 'good rock songs'.

'Leave Me Alone', 'Seven', and 'The General' could also feature on the new album. These three A listed songs were worked on by Marco Beltrami, especially 'Seven', which Marco deems as the best of the three songs. It has also been reported that Marco worked on a fourth track, 'Thyme'. However, this song was not worked on subsequent to Marco's work in October 2002.

'This I Love', a song originally destined for the soundtrack of 'What Dreams May Come', is also likely to feature on the new album, and is regarded as another of Axl's personal favourites. The piano-led ballad Axl has historically been described by Axl as the heaviest song he has ever written (emotionally speaking). The song, which was originally penned during the 1990's, is described by Dave Dominguez as a "very heartfelt' love song of about 5 minutes or more in length.

Other weak contenders for the new Guns n'roses album are 'Quick Song', a rock song with a riff reminiscent of Nirvana's 'Smells Like Teen Spirit', 'Zodiac', an electronic industrial song and Atlas Shrugged, which is somewhere between 70's glam rock and 'November Rain'. As these three songs date back to 2000, some of the titles may have changed.

All other rumoured titles that have circulated the airwaves over recent years are very unlikely to appear on Chinese Democracy, and it will probably be the case that a few new unheard of tracks could find their way onto the new album. Dizzy Reed has told elsewhere though that no cover songs will feature on the new Guns n'roses album, which will be good news to some fans.

As of today, sp1/at understands that band members will find out at the end of August/start of September whether they can continue their solo exploits until the end of the year, so it will be at this point when we, the fans, find out whether Chinese Democracy will see a 2005 release. So until then, let's keep our fingers crossed.

its funny how that article says




yet none of what is later mentioned comes from Brain....its all old news pasted together, mostly said by the producers, not Brain

It should be commom knowledge that the producers and management of GNr are meeting together every 3-6 months to discuss the release of the album. Welcome to the land of GNR

Nothing new, splat  just took all the rumors from the last few  years and put it on one post WOW  : ok:
If they really wanted to give us so info, they should have found out if BHs parts were redone or not.

Yeah, but many of us actually like the "principle" of not spreading too many bullshit rumors around the Internet.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.




/jarmo

What a dumbass.? The people, like myself who post on HTGTH, do go to other boards like the ones you mentioned.? The people who "have the right to know" do know.? You think this is the only GNR site people go too?? August, don't be an ass and respect the OWNER of this sites rules. 

i'm not much of a rumour fan myself, but when strong rumours are emerging people have a right to know, especially with the lack of other information sources. remember that very strong rumour that gn'r would appear on the 2002 VMA's? hmmm, i guess all rumours are plain wrong then. let people judge for themselves, and we'll see what happens soon enough.

i'm sorry but i have principles too. one of them is not to begin a discussion with someone who starts conversations the way Butthead does. bye now.

this isnt a strong rumor!....

dude when the time comes we will know. It will come directly from the band and management. No second rate journalist. Everytime GNr are about to do something a press release follows.

Those rumors came from other sources such as Allstar (back when it existed).

The VMA/Billboard/Superbowl/etc. rumors haven't been true ever since.



/jarmo

But damn! This is not even a rumour! This is just some words set together by someone! Why should we belive that Big Boss know so much more then any other? Anyway, the late 2005 rumour has existed since early 2005.

i agree to an extent, and i used to think like you. then the VMA's happened, and i didn't really buy those strong rumours but decided to check in anyway. like i said, even in the title, this is a rumour, like any other, but it's been around for a while now. take it for what it is, and don't shoot the messanger.

hey thanx man : ok: : ok: : ok:

i dont think its very cool of some of you guys baggin' out other GNR sites....i mean.......who cares.......we all listen n' await the same thing.............so give abit of respect will ya's??

n' give August some bloody credit, he's only helping isnt he....hes not here to piss you's off!!
N' it should be posted here, what the fuck els r' we gonna argue over...

Hopefully it means something but we've been disappointed before.

The reason splat said that about jarmos site is because they know we are too smart for their stupid so called rumors/gossip.

no problem. listen, all i want is for the album to come out like all of us do, and i came across this and wanted to share it, take it for what it is, like i said it's a rumour. some of you need to stop getting your panties in a bunch. currently all we have is rumours, but any one of them could turn out to be true. who knows, right? oh and thanx jarmo for not locking this, i know pandora would've locked it in a second. :P

well, yeah! But there is no reason to Bash the Mods on this anyway!

No, Dave.

The reason it was written to "not post this on other boards such as heretodaygonetohell.com" is out of respect for Jarmo, Pandora and everyone else here and their wishes.  No one is expecting anyone to take it as anything more than gossip served with a mountain of salt.  It's merely about respecting the wishes of this board.

Obviously, someone chose to ignore the italicized text at the bottom of the original post.

Ali

I wasn't even gonna post in this thread, but fuck it, I'll bite. This article is lame. Like on of you guys said, its pieces of different articles put together. Most of the album hasn't been recorded in the past 2 years. If it was real, and we're being told what songs are on CD, they would tell us the status of Buckethead. Also, Quick Song is CD. I highly doubt there's room on the album for the same song twice. Awhile back, didn't someone say that 'Atlas Shrugged' was the working title for Madagascar? This article is 100% pure bullshit.

Exactly, I post here as well as Sp1at.  I enjoy both sites.  If HTGTH doesn't want Sp1ats info, thats cool.  Look at all the sites, and base your own opinion.  No need to start a fuckin war over it.

The only thing I ever heard was that some of the song titles Jeff Leeds from the NY Times heard about during the work on his big article in March, were "Atlas Shrugged", "Quick Song", and "Zodiac".

Ali

I wouldn't discredit the notion that CD will primarily be comprised of material recorded 2002-onwards.
I think it's unlikely that much material prior to this will be included

what the hell? and you know this because..? i thought i had been following this entire process pretty closely but damn what have i been missing? :confused:

c'mon, all gnr sites are pathetic.
Jarmo and Will are cool; the other mods act like 13 year old kids sometimes though.

I thinl i will add my 2 cents. I just regestered over at mygnr and that message board sucks. The whole board is unorganzied and all that crap as far as the rumor if it makes your day better to belive it then do so but try and respect people's wishes next time dude.

So the "strong rumour" is that we may or may not see CD in 2005?

Anyone who cares what's on mygnr.com can go to mygnr.com.

"Quick Song" is probably Chinese Democracy

why do people think that? the intro riff? I guess I can see a similarity between that and Teen Spirit.
where did that particular info come from? (that it resembles Teen Spirit)

yeah! I remember there was some rumours about that! But i hope its not, then we have a new song :D

yawn... ::),deja vu.

it certainly sounds more a working title rather than an official title

yeah, thats true. But why havent this title come up, before now lately? The song CD has been known for some years no, but the first time i heard the Quick song title was a couple of Months ago.

I say that because when CD was first originally described, it was described as a grungy song. QS was probably the working title for CD. Could be wrong but that would be my guess for the time being. The other titles such as Atlas SHrug and the ones that came from that are beyond me. I doubt they are real. But as the saying goes...time will tell

The titles Atlas shrugged and Quick song first appeared here in this thread :
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=19624.0

Apparently they're titles of songs Jeff Leeds "encountered" during his investigation. But since I doubt he has actually "heard" any new songs we haven't, god knows what we should make of those titles.  Probably not much.

right guys,lets look at it this way.the heading says RUMOURS.August isnt doing any harm coz we have nothing else to talk about apart from VR.everything else POSSIBLE has been talked about from axls socks to whos actually in the band.personlly id rather hear rumours than shit like "HAS AXL GOT SPLIT ENDS".dont get me wrong coz ive started threads about my collection off GNR clothing but i really am tired of hearing about shit that dont matter.every rumour has an element of truth un less it was started to harm the person in question which in this case i DONT think it was..its up to you wether you take it seriously or not but lets take what we can from every little source including SPLAT and make our own minds up about the outcome.GOD IM PISSED.AND TOTALLY CONFUSED!!!!!!!AND FRUSTRATED!!!!!!!!!!!id like to take this opertunity to say THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU to all you GNR fans who have stuck with the band over the years.now you may ridicule me but personelly i dont care coz i know something that nobody knows about GNR and i aint in the posistion to tell this secret.I came across this info by mistake but if i do open my mouth i know i will regret it for the rest of my life.if anyone who is in contact with the GNR camp is reading this they WILL know what im talking about.laugh all you like at me but when CHINESE DEMOCRACY is delivered to you then you will understand why i keep it in my head.if this info is leaked then i think CD would be rush realeased which like most of you i dont want.as the guiness adverts says"GOOD THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO WAIT".....

Learn to use paragraphs, they are  your friend.

paragraphs my arse.i said im PISSED.although i couldnt even do em if i were sober  :beer:

so, anyone "in the know" have any idea what he's talking about?  :peace:

it dont matter what i know.

Just thought I'd straighten out some misinformation.
This "rumor" did not come from mygnrforum.? Somebody from Sp1at posted it there.
We at mygnr have asked them repeatedly not to post unsubstantiated and unsupported rumors on our forum.
We go to a great deal of time and effort to ensure the news that we post is accurate and trustworthy for our members. We move quickly to shoot down false rumors that are circulating.

Unfortunately, some members of Sp1at have ignored our requests and continue to post their rumors which are based on speculation and opinion - not fact.? We delete or move the threads when we find they've been posted - just as this one has now.

Who's to say that Big Boss at sp1at doesnt have a source?

Theyve managed to arrange interviews with members (albiet via email) so that adds some validity to their claims surely?

I don't understand why some of you are so down on sp1at

it aint just SPLAT its anyone who comes up with anything to do with new GNR but i cant blame anyone coz theres been that much tripe written about GNR since 1996 that if an official date was released by SANCTUARY i wouldnt believe it until i had the album in my hands.

True, but they do respect other sites wishes and they continue to get slammed and disrespected

There is something new in todays update in that he is saying the finalised master has been handed over - anyone notice that?

do you have a link to that  :beer:

Seems like they are all pieced together and written in such a way to make people keep coming back to their site for updates.

That is it.

like ive said in previous topics,believe what u want but when the day comes and you have the album in your hands and youve listened to it,come back to htgth and look through all the topics and laugh at the bullshit and say WOW to all the rumours that were true (actually ive never said that before but do it anyway).

splat has never been right with any rumor. They keep throwing stuff against the wall hoping it will stick, eventually they will get lucky and get one right then they can say SEE WE TOLD YOU FIRST.

Fuck splat. They claimed the albumwould be out by this summer like 6 months ago, we still have not even heard from Axl. So dont even post stuff from that site.

a million poeple have claimed the album would be out soon but there BULLSHIT still gets posted and believed.

thenewguns.com have just arranged an interview with Richard as well, and I'm pretty sure chineblues will be the first to tell you you don't need a whole lot of contacts to do that.


The rumour that Axl handed 15 tracks to the record company has been circulating for months. Looks like it's essentially the same thing. 

This is absurd.

sp1at posted the most informative, concise article I've seen about Chinese Democracy to date.? All relevant info is sourced and given accurately.

The fact of the matter is, the goal of Axl & Co is release Chinese Democracy later this year.? It may not happen, they've had goals in the past, and they haven't worked out, but that's the plan.? As a Gn'R fan, I don't mind knowing that, and I can handle knowing that without freaking out and blaming people.

Sp1at provides info on this possibility, and we put faith in Merck, and some of you just bitch about it.? ?Is it jealously?? Is it personal issues?? I honestly don't know what is wrong with some of you, but sp1at is quite clearly not the problem, for those of you that fall into that category.

Can anyone point out a single article that gives as much info about Chinese Democracy as BigBoss's latest article did?? ? Can you refute anything he's posted?? Do you argue that anything is false?? Release date issues aside, come on, get a grip.

Edit: I mean, seriously, what is going through some of your heads?? Do you not believe that Merck said 2005 would be the year for Gn'R?? Do you think his whole letter to the NY Times was fake?? Do you think he just pulled it out of his ass?? What the hell?? I can't even comprehend the slightest bit of logic that you might have used to come to your conclusions.  Yeah, there is a possibility that it might not come out this year, but it's quite obvious that that is the plan of Sanctuary and Gn'R, and I don't need to read anything on sp1at to realize that.?

The fact that it was posted as gossip on sp1at tells me not to take it as nothing more than an article about a possible scenario. That goes for most news articles about GN'R as well, but this was actually labeled gossip and not news by the author.

Merck said 2005 was supposed to be the year months ago. It's not news to most people here.

I don't agree with the poster that these are "strong rumors" since the band (or at least parts of the band) still seems to hope that 2005 still is the year.

The article was a nice collection of all recent rumors though, all in one place. So for people who've never seen them before, they might be new.




/jarmo

thanx for taking it that way, and no it's not really news, but strong rumours about a 2005 release are still circulating and this adds some new information to that and fuels the fire a bit, which alot of people need to help make the wait a little easier. personally i'm glad that chinese democracy hasn't come out yet, although i have been waiting for it for excactly 6 years now. i want the timing to be just right, both for guns n' roses and my own life, and if that happens this fall or in 2006/2007 it would make my life complete. or, well, it would add a nice piece to the puzzle to say the least. : ok: the waiting game for a new guns n' roses record and one of the greatest records of all time can soon be over. GOD, i need this. :drool:

Since I'm one of the "other" mods, I'd like to thank you for that comment...

so whats new? and where's the source?

c'mon man, splat is B fucking S and they even used to call them self "the rumour board", could one get it any clearer???

but hey, if reading bull shit no sourced rumors that never happens makes your wait easier, keep on reading! : ok:

Same rumor, just a different year. I'm tired and I don't care anymore.

Exactly, you just have to email him and be VERY nice about it. He's a very cool dude who will answer your questions, but it could take some time for him to answer as he is very busy.

Richard is a very cool guy who takes the time out of his busy schedule to reply to the e-mails he has received.  He's very kind and gracious like that.

Ali

Well, I know release rumors are a controversial topic here. I have done my share of angry posts regarding false rumors. But at this point, rumors are a lot more fun and more interesting that anything else going on. It's like living on hope.

yes, but same shit in new wrapping is always a fucking rip off, especially when people make it out to be new and strong, while it's really old and weak. it's bull shit ok, and there's nothing fun about that, unless you might happen to a bullshit fan. : ok:

I take the spirit of what you are saying, but how are we ripped off? There's no money changing hands. We invest a little time reading the rumor, but only if we want to. Other than that, what is really lost for it to be called a rip off? And the thing is, the lamest rumors are easy to spot. It's exciting when a rumor survives to become truth, such as the VMAs of 2002. The Lionel Richie rumor never got that far because people sensed the b.s.-ness of it. The fun is in figuring out which ones are coming from liars and which ones might be coming from the GNR camp.

Anyone could have gathered all the old info over the past 5 years about CD and made it into one article and called it new info. But we have class unlike splat. If you think this is great, then good for you but its just more bullshit from that shitty site. What is new in that article they posted? NOTHING is new, everything said we already knew.
Big boss didnt give us any NEW INFO, he just took 10 different articles we have gotten and put it into one. What is so great about that? Its like taking AFD, Lies and the UYIs and putting them on three CDs and calling it hey look a new gnr album. Give me a break.

The only funny thing is, didnt axl say they ditched a lot of the old songs for new ones? I bet most of the songs that will make the album we have never even heard the titles of.

Dave, I usually really enjoy your posts, but I think this time you're way off.

1) The News from this article is, that Constanzo and Merck will have a meeting about the VERY final steps of Chinese Democracy. The other info is just to sum it all up again, cause I think it's sometimes complicated to remember everything, so I enjoyed it.

2) Everybody seems to forget that this article was NOT supposed to be put on other messageboards so you can't really blame the Sp1at-gang... If you need someone to blame then take August 18th.

3) Jarmo already said it was titled GOSSIP not NEWS...

4) You said earlier said Sp1at hadn't one rumour right... That's indeed totally wrong, they gave us many info which turned out to be true, like the Buckmaster-thing and many more. Also here, about all the false release dates you can't blame Sp1at, they just passing the info what the GNR-camp is considering as the right time to release it. Here is no-one the blame than Axl himself.

5) I don't really understand that you are crying that Big Boss gave you nothing new, because of 1) and because he and Gigger are the ones that made every little info available for us.

I just don't understand why everybody is so mean with Sp1at, I think they do a good job and I'm actually afraid that they might not continue the way they do because of the shit they got from others.
I think Gigger already said that he thinks now twice before he posts something and I think I noticed that he didn't post as much as he did anymore and I can't blame him. In my opinion the problem is really, that someones are just jealous because they can contribute nothing by themselves...

The thing that could make a release possible this year is if Sanctuary had written in contract with Axl to release it this year or the value of they're deal goes down.

I think thats the only thing to help push out a release at this point.

Everyone here is ignoring the fact that if Axl n Co. gave a rat's ass they could stop ALL OF THIS BULLSHIT with ONE PRESS RELEASE. He knows this too, he is not stupid.


If you want to direct your anger over the fact someone is trying to provide info on CD to the fans and it is RUMORS, direct it at Axl. If the dude would say something, we would have no need for rumors.


 :beer:

I've been saying that for years. It's really funny how every rumoured tracklist put so many old titles. Before Beltrami talks about those songs (General, Thyme, Seven...), all the fake tracklists didn't have them. Now, of course, every single one have it. ::)

Yeah. So why don't put only this info? Why put togheter an article with so many old quotes and rumours? It's not that complicated to remember everything, but you can also put a LINK to the old articles. It's that simple.

The thing about Prostitute being the stronger track is just a bet IMO. It's an old track (since 1999, at least) and just because someone said "its a strong song" to Splat, now they claim that it will be one of the high points of the album.

And what about saying Brain talks about the tracks? There's NO Brain comments about any track on the article.

I really enjoy some Splat tidbits, rumours and interviews. But this one is obviously trying to overpraising all the old rumours, trying to make everything more credible. Even posted on the gossip section, even if it was not allowed to being here, Splat guys knows that once something like that is on the main Splat page, a LOT of other sites/forums will be reading and posting everywhere. A few later, it will be on some rock sites like blabbermouth and the snow ball will be bigger.

now thats a good call! Although it's not news, it's only a new fake rumour with no source....

I can't believe that real human beings actually put hours into making fake bullshit rumour gossip articles. :rofl:

Smells like rumour board? ;D

I appreciate their interviews with GN'R members and think the idea to investigate the matter in cooperation with fellow fans is great. But The way they present articles (n themselves) is often a bit off. IMO.

1) We already knew that from before. Splat has a way off dressing things up to pass them off as new. ITs funny that splat claimed a month or so ago that Axl passed CD to the label, so i guess they were mistaken about that?

2) It does not matter where this was posted, it matters that they are doing it. Its lame.

3) Again, call it what ?you want, like I said, all splat did was take what we already know it put it in one article, big deal. CD is no closer to coming today then it was 6 months ago with the info that we currently know.

4) Like I said they throw stuff against the wall and hope it sticks. The bucketmaster thing ?they got right? All they did is report what was in another article from something not associated with a gnr site. ?How did they get this rumor right? They just reported what they found on bucketmasters site. They didnt claim anything before that article broke. So like I said, splat has not gotten anything right when it comes to chinese democracy. They are jus? another pure, danny, or those other clowns.

5) You have to be kidding me they gave us ever little info? What have they done? NOTHING. Sure they email band members but they dont give us anything good just general stuff. I have asked them for months when they talk to a band membe ask if BH is still on the album. They have not. That is a really simple question and they cant get that info. Splat are a bunch of frauds. I shake my head at people that think t hey give us real info.

6) The reason people are mean with splat is because like I said they are frauds. If they want to give us something new like I said, find out if BH is still going to be on the album, find out if CD will be a double or single album. Find out if they are still looking for a new guitar player All splat does is spectulate and call it gossip.

This is what splat goes. Ill do a splat. I am just going to put together 15 or so tracks we have heard over the past 6 years and put them as one track listing.

This is gossip but this could  be the track listing to CD.

chinese Democracy
The Blues
Madagascar
I.R.S.
Prostitute ?
This I Love
Oklahoma
Catcher In The Rye
TWAT (There Was A Time)
Seven
Leave Me Alone
General
Thyme
Ides Of March

Then they pass that off as gossip and people believe it.

I for one enjoy reading BOTH Sp1at and HTGH. Big Boss, Ali, and Gigger just try to tell us whats going on and what they are told.
They post it under Rumors or gossip but over here nobody has heard about "taking things with a grain of salt"
There is nothing else to talk about so why not, if you want to, enjoy some rumors'?

I thank the guys over at splat for their good job, and I thank Jarmo, Pandora, Christos, Will and the other moderators here for their effort. Good job guys :peace: :beer:
Lets enjoy both sites!



and Nyntuz for the norwegian GnR board :hihi:

 
Actually, that isn't true.  No one said anything at Splat about Axl passing along the CD to the label.  I read that on BP's forum, which may or may not have been where it originated.  That's just where I remember seeing it.

O.k., you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
I would agree with you except for the tidbit about Merck and Caram having a meeting about working out the  production credits for the album.  That's something that isn't recording/mixing/mastering related that needs to be worked out before you can release anthing, right?
No, it was not from another article.  BigBoss found Buckmaster's CV through Google, and then contacted him to get information on the song "Prostitute" and his work with GN'R.  None of those quotes were on Buckmaster's site, only that he had worked with GN'R, and the names of the tracks he had worked on.  No specific details.
First off, there is a limit as to what info can be obtained from people who worked on the album because of the confidentiality agreements signed.  What info?  The description of "Prostitute" from Buckmaster, Youth's opinion that "Prostitute" is going to be a very strong track and Brain's agreement with Youth's opinion.  Sure, it's not all that much.  But, it isn't nothing.  There's a limit to what you can find out anyway, because all the final decisions are made by Axl Rose, and NO ONE has gotten an interview with him in the last two and a half years. 

How would any of the band members know if Bucket's parts are going to be on the final mixes of the album's tracks?  They don't decide what will be the final mix of the song, Axl does.  It's his call, so what good would it do to ask them anyway? 

No, that's not accurate.  How can getting Youth's and Brain's opinions on "Prostitute" be speculation?  The bit about Merck and Caram Constanzo meeting was not just pulled out of thin air, no matter what you chose to believe.

Ali

I do feel that Sp1at has given us the most info this year to read and talk about at least.  It's in the gossip section so obivously it's take it for what it's worth.  I read the article and didn't realize that is was old bits strung together but it was actually cool to read something about the album and not just a blurb here and there from band members.   But I see the frustration in it all.   Haven't read anything substantial since the NYT's article months ago.

so why can't you tell us about that meeting, i personaly think that that part is made up in one of your three brains...... and fuck you for posting it without any source, it makes you look like some wannabe insides... are you? :hihi:

*I wanna start a rumour board and get people all excited about nothing, just for the laugh, and the 200 hits on my own rumour  home page... c'mon, atleast wrap it thouroughly.... :beer:*

Wow, erose.  There's a real mature response  :hihi:

I can't tell you about the meeting because I'm not the one that found out about it.  I just happen to trust the person that found out about it, and don't believe they lied.

Ali

yeah man, you're totaly right. i tend to sink to lower levels and loose the maturity contest because i lack the lower level experience. But i will get better i promise. ;)

What is up with that meeting, can someone please explain this to fuckers like me so we won't run around slamming innocent people, c'mon people, what did i miss??? ???

isn't it against the board rules to post shit like that without a source? did you get any proof Jarmo, am i seeing this all wrong or what???

HTGTH asks its members to not post info from sp1at, and sp1at asks people to not post their info on HTGTH. It doesn't matter though, because people always do and then the thread turns to a sp1at bashing contest.

I don't get though why an intelligent person can't understand the reason they don't always name their sources. I really don't.

In all fairness, there was italicized text at the end of the original post at splat asking to not post this at other boards without first having the approval of the board's moderators.  Honestly, no one over at splat wants to disrespect any other board or the rules of any other board.  That's why we've repeatedly asked not to re-post anything in the gossip section. 

In the case, those requests were ignored and the post was re-posted here and at MyGN'R.

As far as Jarmo getting any proof, I didn't even get any cold hard proof, erose.  However, it's my choice to believe the person at splat who got this info because I believe him to be an honorable person.

Ali

I dont see anything honorable in plagiarizing a bunch of old articles and mingling it into one. Sp1at should be sued instead of being praised.

I say things like this absolutely get posted here at HTGTH. For the most part, this is the only board I check for GNR news, and THERE IS NEVER ANY GNR NEWS. So at least give me the rumours to mull over... it's better than another thread comparing GNR to Velvet Revolver.

I do agree, however, that this looks like a pastiche of old news, but what the hell else is there to talk about? As people have said, there is one person who could easily take 10 minutes to write up a 5-sentence update, but he just won't do it, will he?

 

you dumb bastard....this is that lame gossip story that splat released a few days ago....splat is a worthless, turd-of-a site...over the last year they've incorrectly predicted the chinese democracy release at least 3 times....this is not a valid rumor at all...sure, CD might actually come out around christmas, but you can't believe anything that comes from splat.

James, before you question someone's integrity, you should make an effort to get your facts straight.  It was BigBoss who talked to Buckmaster about "Prostitute" and got the quotes included in the article.  It was BigBoss who found out about Merck and Caram Costanzo meeting to work out the producing credits for the album.  It was BigBoss who asked Dave Dominguez about "This I Love" and got the quote from him regarding the song.  The same holds true for asking Dizzy Reed whether or not there will be any covers on the album, asking Brain if he thinks he will be on the final versions of all the albums tracks, and what song titles Jeff Leeds (NY Times) heard about during his investigation for his article.

It's not plagiarism when you are the one who obtained the quotes used in the article, and when you paraphrase information that you did not obtain personally, as opposed to quoting directly.

Ali

call me a dumb bastard again and i'll run over your mom with a truck you deranged, desperate and naive homo.

There's more than just BigBoss shit in this article. The majority of this article is years old. Ive seen some of this crap in other places besides Sp1at, word for word. As far as I'm concerned, Sp1at has reached a new low point. First, they ask irrelevant questions. Second, they create crappy rumors that don't come true. Finally, they do this blatant rehash article and pass it off as new. Fuck Sp1at. Jarmo and Pandora should not only start deleting this shit, but also start banning people who post articles from Sp1at. All Sp1at offers is false hope. We need less of that, not more. Ali, I have no problems with questioning Sp1at's integrity. When CD is announced, or we get some other new info, we don't need Sp1at to be able to find out about it.

James

The rumours on our site are normally reaped from sites like this;

The last few rumours we have killed are;

Official Guns n'roses on Myspace - From Myspace
Guns n'roses at WSOP - From Mygnr
Axl Rose has cancer - From Mygnr
Axl in 'Be Cool' Movie - From HTGTH
Site to preview new gnr tracks - from matchstickcats.com
New song titles on melodic rock - from velvetrope.com
Guns at Rock am ring x 2 - from HTGTH
Guns to play rio de janeiro - from Mygnr
A post from Colette Brown, publicist for Deborah - from HTGTH
Gnr announcement from Dangerous Danny davis - From mygnr
Gnr cartersville concert - from mygnr

Effectively, a large majority of our rumours come from here or mygnr, so I would suggest if you have any problems with rumours in general, please deal with them at their source.

As for your comments regarding our site, why don't you visit the site, review it for a while and then post your comments there, instead of boring people here with your banal opinions. Or, even better, why don't you email me direct. This is a Guns n'roses message board, not a James Lofton bitch board. And from what I understand, you are not particurlarly popular here anyway, so it may be a good idea to look at how you conduct yourself and how you express yourself. This is a good board with a good name and there are some good people here. Don't spoil it, just because you have some childish gripe against our board.

As for Jarmo etc, he has visited and posted useful posts at our site, as have most webmasters, so asking for people to be banned will fall on deaf ears.  We work under the assumption that the average adult gnr fan will always be cautious with any gnr info that isn't official, so I therefore see no harm offering insight from band members or producers or whoever, beit silly or not.

That is all I have to say

(Forgive me Jarmo if I appeared to be uncourteous in this post. I felt the need to address these posts which keep plagueing your board.)

I'll just call you fucking banned! How about that!?!

You've been wanting this ever since the day you registered.



/jarmo

A few things:  This was not passed off as a new "news" story.  Yes, there was summation of past information, but there was no attempt to pass it off as a new, hence it was not put in the news section.  It was put into the gossip section with the title of "Chinese Democracy-July Update".  Second, most of it is info BigBoss found out on his own.  Whether or not you've seen it other places is irrelevant because a lot of it was what he found out.  Third, there is no "creating" of rumors.  There is distinct difference between passing along gossip you've heard and creating it. 

As far as asking irrelevant questions go, what in the world makes you think that anyone would be able to find out whether or not Buckethead's parts will remain on the record, or the like, when the only person who can answer that question is Axl Rose, and he isn't talking?

Offering false hope?  Why don't you take some responsibility for getting your hopes up without having any official word on a release date?  Why don't you wait until there is official word as to the album's release and then get your hopes up?  By your logic, we should say that the other band members, such as Dizzy Reed and Tommy Stinson have offered "false hope" because they've said that the album's release is imminent.  Should we say "Fuck Dizzy and Tommy"?  No, because it was never up to them, nor will it ever be up to them, as far as when the record will come out!

Ali

finally...  : ok:  ;)

Im sorry you guys, although since we are talking about rumours, what happens August 18 ???  ::)

btw, I think rumors is the only thing that make me come here every day, i just know a few words in english so "friendship" to me is kinda hard... talking... you know what i ment
if wasn?t the rumors and the "few news", i think i would prefer wait to hear something on the radio or mtv

Get this guy outta here that guy GONE!!!!!!!!!!

are u listening MR security Man? That guy Gone!

Give me that shirt, give me that shirt

Thank u!

Some of us are not taking our medication. Remember those intellectual discussions we used to have around here before ripping another fellow GNR fan a new asshole was less fashonable?

Right now all we have is rumors regarding GNR.  Let the fun continue......................

yo, The rumor I posted about the trilogy or whatever I didnt make, dont think I did cus I wouldve made it better than that lol. I got it over at chinesedemocracy.com. It looked interesting and was worth the read aside from definatly/probably not being true.

Wow you did all that for us? How nice. How bout you do 1 more thing...kill ur site...and while ur at take mygnr with you.

I like this guy! :D

Sp1at, you think my opinions are banal, but you want me to post at the Sp1at forum? That's funny. My opinions aren't banal, and you know it. You just want me to go liven up Sp1at's dead forum. I dont think so. I'll just stay with my comrades here in hell. You say people don't like me here? I disagree. Not everyone agrees with what I have to say, but I think they respect my opinions. I dont insult people on a personal level, I try to debate in a mature fashion. Sure, the debates get heated sometimes, but that doesn't mean that people here hate me. Sp1at, instead of insulting me and trying to get me to go to Sp1at's forum, head over to mygnr and try your recruiting tactics on them. It might work over there.

He's simply inviting you so that maybe you'll stop making baseless comments such as:

You call my comment baseless? Go read the article again.

All I am asking you is, stick to the rules of this site. This thread is about the information posted on the thread. If you feel the need to comment on our site, there is a category here where you can mention our site, or you can email me

It is about respect, James. Nothing more.

Sp1at, I do respect the rules here. I was discussing the topic. The topic of this thread is the bullshit Sp1at article. I'm not the only person who feels this way about it. But I dont need to see this thread get hijacked by you starting to bash me. So I'll stop posting in this thread. I made my point. By the way, hell will freeze over before I start frequenting your Sp1at forum.

It seems that the debate about Sp1at occurs here around twice a month. ?Nothings been solved but a bunch of people getting hot under the collar about Sp1at. ?I think it's simple, everyone follow the rules and we won't have these issues. ?Sp1at firmly states not to have their info posted here, and Jarmo does not want Sp1ats info on his board. ?It's simple, just follow the rules. : ok:

For future reference, if you want to comment on our site, go to the 'Buy Product' section of this site. That is what the rules indicate.

Otherwise, I didn't mean to bash and am happy you are now at peace with everything. Remember this is about GN'R, not about us.

Thank you

The thing with Sp1at is that they claim they have Good Sources. Atleast BigBoss does, and for all i know, maybe he has. But they havent proved it for us yet! Untill then i take everything that they say, with a clype of salt!

People are NOT gonna follow that rule, all the moderators here have to do is close the thread. This one is still going btw.

why don't you back up your shit instead of taking the high ? horse?

This "rumour" has made it quite well in this section so i think it's safe for you to start backing it up... why do you even post in this topic if you have nothing to say? i checked the BUY section and i can't see the thread where you defend this shit...

sweet...i got that dude banned (i'm the one who called him a dumb bastard)....good to know jarmo is on my side

dont listen to the stuff over at MYGNR.... thier site is completly wrong.. at least here we talk about important shit. thier threads about GNR suck... Rumors spread so quickly over the intenet, so dont believe everything you hear...
MY GNR site is totally un organised, half of them proberbly dont know what the fuk they are talking about.

It's not simple as that.

They do have stuff that I think is cool, for example the interview with Paul Stenning.



What I object to is the fact that people go over to sp1at and then post their rumor stories as news over here. All of a sudden something they posted as a rumor is made more credible because somebody forgot to mention how it was originally posted as a rumor.

Same thing happens when Blabbermouth posts a rumor from radio, sp1at or whatever. Suddenly people forget where the rumor originated from since it was on Blabbermouth.



You wish.




/jarmo

Getting banned over a fucking rumour...  ::)

That's one way of seeing it. Another way of seeing it, is that he was being an idiot by breaking the rules even after being told not to several times.


/jarmo

the thing everyone fails to recognise about sp1at is that they are generally positive - they respect other boards to a fault (even tagging disclaimers about not posting on other sites.)

they form part of the whole wait in the dark and regardless of what anyone says, they have uncovered the odd tidbit that turns out to be true

it reeks of jealousy actually, when rumours get posted on other boards it's not their fault - they do all in their capability of respecting others wishes.

I dont understand why some get so bent out of shape about them

Happily

The release of 'Chinese Democracy', the much vaunted new album by Guns n'roses, is drawing ever closer, and could see a release as early as November/December of 2005.

Source - Merck "2005 will be the year for Guns n'roses". This info was reconfirmed to us and people here. The November/December bit doesn't take a geniun to work out

July of 2005 should see Caram Costanzo and Merck Mercuriadis meet up to decide the final credits on the completed 'Chinese Democracy' album.

It's new info so I am not saying at present. Again though, it doesn't take a genius to round it down to two suspects

And because the album was mostly recorded over the past two to three years, it does look as though that many producers and musicians alike will miss out despite devoting much time to the new Guns album. It is said though that a small amount of 'old' work does still remain on 'Chinese Democracy'. So musicians such as Brian May could still feature on CD, even though the chances are slim.

Source - Merck

Brain Mantia, the drummer of Guns n'roses, is extremely confident that he will feature on all of the tracks on the new Guns n'roses album and gives us an idea as to what tracks will feature on the album.

The tracks below have been noted to us by Brain Mantia. All other tracks will not appear on CD

'Prostitute' is likely to feature as one of the strongest tracks on the new Guns n'roses album. Although the roots of the song go back to the late 1990's, the meat of the song was actually only recorded in the last two-three years. Paul Buckmaster who did orchestration for the song told us "Prostitute is a mid-up, kind of biting, aggressive rhythm section; the way I wrote for the string section (32-piece, consisting of ten 1st Violins, eight 2nd Violins, six violas, and eight cellos) gives the song another dimension of, ice and fire, kind of powerful". Buckmaster also told us that 'Prostitute' was a 3-5 minute song

Source - Strongest track info comes from many includung Josh Freese, Youth and Buckmaster himself. The rest of the info comes from Buckmaster, through us

Already aired tracks 'Madagascar' and 'The Blues' will also feature on the new album, according to members of Guns n'roses, as will the title track 'Chinese Democracy'. Members were not so sure about 'Rhiad and the Bedouins' though. However, elsewhere understands that the song has been A-listed and is therefore a strong candidate for the new album.

Source - A mixture of Brain and Dizzy. Merck also added some info

Leaked track, 'IRS', is also a definite for the new album, although Merck Mercuriadis has stated that there are at least ten tracks on the new album which he considers stronger tracks than IRS.

Source - Merck

'TWAT' and 'Catcher in the Rye' are also expected to strongly feature on the new album. 'TWAT', an acronym for 'There Was a Time', was not regarded as a memorable song by Paul Buckmaster, but it is a song that is personal to Axl, so is likely to feature on the new album. The song itself features orchestration by Paul Buckmaster. 'Catcher in the Rye' has long been regarded as one of the 'big guns' on the new album, and Axl is alleged to have bigged up the song quite a few times to fans and friends alike. Dizzy Reed describes both songs as 'good rock songs'.

Sources - Buckmaster, Dizzy, David Wild, Stinson

'Leave Me Alone', 'Seven', and 'The General' could also feature on the new album. These three A listed songs were worked on by Marco Beltrami, especially 'Seven', which Marco deems as the best of the three songs. It has also been reported that Marco worked on a fourth track, 'Thyme'. However, this song was not worked on subsequent to Marco's work in October 2002.

Source - Beltrami

'This I Love', a song originally destined for the soundtrack of 'What Dreams May Come', is also likely to feature on the new album, and is regarded as another of Axl's personal favourites. The piano-led ballad Axl has historically been described by Axl as the heaviest song he has ever written (emotionally speaking). The song, which was originally penned during the 1990's, is described by Dave Dominguez as a "very heartfelt' love song of about 5 minutes or more in length.

Sources - Some lady who worked on 'What Dreams May Come' film. This I Love info from Dominguez, and some old story from the 90's

Other weak contenders for the new Guns n'roses album are 'Quick Song', a rock song with a riff reminiscent of Nirvana's 'Smells Like Teen Spirit', 'Zodiac', an electronic industrial song and Atlas Shrugged, which is somewhere between 70's glam rock and 'November Rain'. As these three songs date back to 2000, some of the titles may have changed.

Source - Jeff Leeds

All other rumoured titles that have circulated the airwaves over recent years are very unlikely to appear on Chinese Democracy, and it will probably be the case that a few new unheard of tracks could find their way onto the new album. Dizzy Reed has told elsewhere though that no cover songs will feature on the new Guns n'roses album, which will be good news to some fans.

Sources - Brain and Dizzy

As of today, sp1/at understands that band members will find out at the end of August/start of September whether they can continue their solo exploits until the end of the year, so it will be at this point when we, the fans, find out whether Chinese Democracy will see a 2005 release. So until then, let's keep our fingers crossed.

Sources - Fortus, Brain

Why isn't anyone responding? He cited sources. Some info is old, but some is new. I think the info about IRS not being in the top ten and the fact that they are mainly using material from 2002 onward is very significant and not something you normally get from a random rumor. Now, my only question is when did they actually record all this new stuff? The end of 2002 was the tour.....then they entered the studio in Jan 2003 and Feb 2003. Axl claimed the baby needed to be wrapped up in Aug 02-thus, the majority of recording was done before then but these sessions in early 2003 may have been very productive as the band had gelled on the 2002 tour. Tommy claims he was recording his solo album in March 03. Thus, the last time the band was in the studio was early 2003. After that, there are well documented solo tours and interviews where all band members outside of Robin alleged they were done with their parts and were off "waiting for the call." Now, we know Axl has continued to do vocals and whatever over the last 2 1/2 years. Also, certain members such as Dizzy and Brain were called back in the studio as late as fall of 04. So, in conclusion, it appears that this newly recorded material is mainly Axl's work, possibly the early 2003 sessions and probably remixing work done by Costanzo. As far as Axl's Mar 04 Bucket statement where he said they would take recording to another level, I 'm guessing it was just Axl and Caram continuing to tinker. :peace:

If I had a quid for every time I've read this...

Nothing personal 18th August, but this is cobbled together cobblers.  We've seen it time and time again, most of us lost our faith long ago.  Without quotes this article severly lacks credability.  It sounds very recycled and 'impersonal' if that's a word (?!!).  The main man is the Axl and his words cout - we all know the rest of the band know shit.  It's admitted in the quote where Brain isn't even sure if he's on all the tracks - what sort of talk is that for a band member?

I assume you can't read because Brain says he IS extremely confident that he is on all the tracks......of course, it is cobbled together. Some info is old, some new. He is getting the info from bandmembers and Merck. Outside of Axl and Costanzo, that is as legit as we are ever going to get. Why is it so questionable?

it's questionable because, the way it was written, it made the info look all new news from one source, not several thousand interviews over a period of 6 years. and it's been proven time and time again that the "band members" don't really have a clue as far as info on the band is concerned.

Why wouldn't brain be on all the tracks? he's been the drummer since october 2000. that's a no brainer IMO.

OK....whatever..the fuckin article was meant to be an all inclusive summary and best guess as to what is going on now. Nothing more, nothing less. This board is really stooping to new lows. The endless bickering and nitpicking  over thread after thread is simply immature, pointless, and boring.   

better, much better...
 ;) : ok:

holy crap dude, chill out!! no need to fly off the handle, geez you asked 2 times what was so questionable about the article and I told you what my opinion was. I wasn't even posting on this thread because I didn't see the point in resopnding to "yesterday's news", but like I said you asked twice for a response, so i responded.

Most of us here are looking for NEW news. so when old news comes up people get annoyed. I would wager that most people on this board have already read all the info from that article over the past few years. we are hungry for new info, not recycled news.

Wow, I haven't been here in a few days and look at all I missed.. :o