Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I notice before this past election , people were really getting into arguements about politics a lot. Republicans got very angry if you didn't agree with Bush, especially rednecks and bible-bangers.They believed deeply that we had to be at war. The republicans claimed that the arabs or afganistans(whatever the fuck you call them!) hated america for no reason and wanted to takeover us.

But with Democracy's side , they believe the Republican party only cares about the rich not the poor. They look at war now like Bush is invading Iraq like he's a jock picking on nerds for no reason. Democrats think the invasion is for oil problems or something like that.

So my question is why did Bush choose to invade Iraq?

Bush invaded Iraq because he thinks he's the only person in the world who's allowed have WMD's despite the fact that Iraq doesn't even have them.

It's all about the oil and setting up a regime friendly to the US to keep oil prices down.  Bush doesn't give a shit about the Iraqi people, frreedom, Democracy, etc.  War makes money and Bush's buddies are rolling in it as we speak....

oil. hes using the WMD as a crutch.

Bush (and his administration) wanted to use the war to strike fear in the heart of Americans.  It's a method of control.  It worked.  It continues to work as bush still has support, although it is wavering.

We started a war with a country that was not responsible for 9/11 (something that bush snowed us with) and did not have the weapons bush claimed, and was not the threat that bush claimed.  We essentially IGNORED the country that was harboring the enemy that WAS responsible for the atrocities of 9/11.

         

Yea, I always figured that Osama would be first in line to vote for Bush on re-election. He knew Bush wasn't going to be coming after him.

Bush and Bin Laden have several similarities.  The major one is that they both send the poor off to fight their battles for them. 

i thought it was because of janet jacksons boob. after all thats whats gonna ruin this planet

The poor have been fighting wars for the rich for centuries.......

Reminds me of that line from the Gn'R song Civil War,"It feeds the rich while it buries the poor."

Original Cause: WMD's

Then W told us we were there to "free" the Iraqis and promote democracy

Now W says were there to fight the terrorists in Iraq so we don't fight them on the homefront

Cleary, this war wasn't worth it.

Yes. Halliburton STILL HAVE NOT been held accountable for their gouging of the American tax payers (to the tune of billions), but yet they were awarded even MORE CONTRACTS equaling billions of more dollars for them.

Amazing isn't it? It was on C-span, but that was about it. I was glad to see it packed with reporters, but I guess the corporate powers that be, didn't want the story told too much.

Halliburton which, of course, Chenney still has financial gain(s) from. This is utter crap, complete fraud, approved by the our leaders Bush and Chenney. Fraud, I might add, that is taken out on the American tax payer for corporate interest and profits, that directly fattens Chenney's wallet!

Too late, it's already bombs away London style.

I totally agree.  Although I'm American, I consider London part of the homefront.  I'm also waiting on W's next justification for "staying the course."  I could totally see withdrawing all troops from Iraq and declaring victory based on W's 2nd cause for war (freeing the Iraqis and creating democracy).  You know Fox News would spin it that we won the war. 

just research old quotes from all the democrats that voted for the war - i'm sure you'll find their reasons. leading up to the election last year, kerry even said he would have gone to war knowing what he knows today.

here's a list.....

29 Democrats joined 48 Republicans to pass a Senate resolution on October 11 authorizing President Bush to use military force, if necessary, to disarm Iraq:

Max Baucus (Mont.)
Evan Bayh (Ind.)
Joe Biden (Del.)
John Breaux (La.)
Maria Cantwell (Wash.)
Jean Carnahan (Mo.)
Tom Carper (Del.)
Max Cleland (Ga.)
Hillary Clinton (N.Y.)
Tom Daschle (S.D.)
Christopher Dodd (Conn.)
Byron Dorgan (N.D.)
John Edwards (N.C.)
Dianne Feinstein (Calif.)
Tom Harkin (Iowa)
Fritz Hollings (S.C.)
Tim Johnson (S.D.)
John Kerry (Mass.)
Herb Kohl (Wis.)
Mary Landrieu (La.)
Joe Lieberman (Conn.)
Blanche Lincoln (Ark.)
Zell Miller (Ga.)
Ben Nelson (Neb.)
Bill Nelson (Fla.)
Harry Reid (Nev.)
John Rockefeller (W.Va.)
Charles Schumer (N.Y.)
Bob Torricelli (N.J.)

What stands out about that is the "if necessary" portion.? They voted to give the president use of force if necessary.? How many of these senators would change their vote?? Several prominent republicans would've definitely changed their votes; including a certain Carolina republican who changed French Fries to Freedom Fries.

"Several prominent republicans would've definitely changed their votes; including a certain Carolina republican who changed French Fries to Freedom Fries."

Yea, you took the words right out of my mouth.

I read about that the other day and laughed out loud.

King of the Hill syndrome:

What is the ultimate human competition? Is it war? When you've made it to the top of the competitive hierarchy the only challenge left is war. When all the business competitions have been won, and when all the political competitions have been won, and all the personal competitions have been won, the only worthy competitive challenge left is war. It's the last way left to win. And in a competitive belief structure winning is always the ultimate goal. But you can't win unless there's a loser. That's the nature of competition.

 "Living in Joy"- White Feather, 2004


Why is the war still going?? Does anybody remember why Bush & co. started it all?? On the heels of 9/11?? Am I remembering correctly?? It's been so long and so much bullshit has been placed on our plates....I forget.

Wasn't it because we had the Afghans fight our war for us against Russia, then we abandoned Afghanistan in all its rubble?  The the terrorist attacks began..........????

Or was it the Weapons of Mass Destruction that are not actually there?

Is it because a small band of humans portraying our government will not admit being wrong?

Are the stakes too high to make such an admission?

If we did not attack Iraq, would they have eventually attacked us?? Do we invade a country just because we are afraid?

Is it really about oil?? If you were out of oil and the only way to get some was to kill your neighbor....would you do it?

What would make you kill another human?? For food....water.....for any "object"?

I would only kill to defend against an immediate life threatening attack on me, my family, my friends and even an innocent person being attacked in my presence.

But what if somebody threatened to attack you?? Could you defend yourself against threats?? I think that would get you into trouble.

You felt that John Doe was going to kill you so you went over his house and attacked him.  Do you think you would be in trouble?

I'd have to say that war just does not make any sense.

That's my take anyway.

Can anybody really give war credibility?

so you're falling for the dems BS that they didn't actually vote for the war. come on, you're smarter than that.

i mean really think about the whole situation and put yourself in their shoes at that time....

1. bush is your president.
2. we're trying to get saddam to disarm.
3. even bill clinton had bombed iraq.
4. saddam had disobeyed 10+ UN resolutions already.
5. bush asked for the vote.

why the hell would bush ask for the vote if military action was not a very real possibility? ?::)

they knew by voting yes, that military action was likely. they also knew they were putting the full decision of when it was "necessary" into bush's hands. i was surprised it took bush 6 more months to start it, cause the plans were already in place.

Yes.

Bush, Cheney, et.al. are blinded by their ideology and are absolutely convinced they are correct and will never admit otherwise.  They thrive on this in fighting because it allows them to grab up more power.  I bet even Nixon is thinking in hell that" damn the guys are good. I should have thought of that!"  It's just such a shame that so many ill-informed and idiotic people re-elected these fools who are leading us to the fall of the US.

to most it is a shame, but Kerry's platform was complete shit compared to Bush's.

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there it is again....the old snobbish, i'm better than you, liberal attitude.

i really thought liberals would wise up and start to see that just because someone has a different opinion, does NOT mean they are "ill-informed".

but you keep telling yourself that, and sadly, the democratic party will never turn itself around. why would they? their followers are not forcing them to be accountable.

instead of looking at how badly kerry fucked up his election that was basically handed to him on a silver platter, just keep taking cheap shots at people like myself.  :rofl:

"The relations with, uhh -- Europe are important relations, and they've, uhh -- because, we do share values. And, they're universal values, they're not American values or, you know -- European values, they're universal values. And those values -- uhh -- being universal, ought to be applied everywhere." George Dubya Bush last month

i doubt liberals think they are better than others...but when you look at what Bush says half the time it doesnt make sense...understandably not just liberals feel superior to Bush :hihi:

By ill-informed I mean the people who continue to believe this administration and what they are saying.  They have not been honest with us.  It's not an insult, it can be corrected by pulling one's head out of one's ass and start thinking.  I am not some blazing liberal or democrat, I'm just a person that is sick of the way this administration handles itself.  Clinton was a liar too but tens of thousands didn't die for his lies.

you're right....you're a thinker and anyone that supports bush is just blindly following bush and fox news.  :rofl:

what exactly has bush lied about...WMDs? we've been over this before.

i can appreciate an argument that it was a mistake to go to war, but i don't think bush has lied about anything.

i for one do not think it was a mistake to go to war, but obviously some major mistakes have been made in iraq.

The downing street memos show that bush lied about the wmd and had to find a way to get public backing to declare war (read: wmd). 

Cheney's Iraq assessment that the insurgency is in its last throes, yeah, that's an HONEST evaluation of what's going on. 

Officially, Bush led the US Army to war because Hussein didn't accept to meet with UN Resolutions about WMDs. Yes, Hussein was a shady character, a dictator and made lots of people killed - but Iraqis should have overcome him if they really wanted to, no one came to "help" (ie: kill civilians and capture the dictator) the French, the Russians, the Polish when they decided to overcome State authority by Revolution; yes, Iraq probably had WMDs about ten-fifteen years ago (Gulf War I anyone??), but Iraq was NOT a direct threat to America or the West. Hardcore terrorism was. Innocent people were killed in Spain and Britain because their government decided to go to war - even though the people didn't want to.

Terrorism doesn't come from one country. It comes from many countries and even feeds within Western countries (America, Britain, France, Germany, Spain, etc.)...we can't just blow up countries where terrorists live because we'd have to blow up the Earth. We all know terrorism is a naughty thing and we have to fight it, but bombs aren't always the solution. I'm not saying I know what the "good" solution is...unfortunately I even wonder if there's a solution to terrorism. Not a simple one, that's for sure.

USA is @ war for oil and George Bush is an ass hu cheated in the elections (both). Britian scared of USA KILing dem so BLAIR KISSIN BUSH'S ASS

The fought an entirely different battle, like ones of the past.

That was the first mistake, among many.

Haha, yea, he said that, then a while later and said we could be there another 8-10 yrs!

Uh huh...........

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