Here Today... Gone To Hell!

does anybody know what time of the year rock in rio 5 is arranged? i only know that it is in 2006, and knowing axl's love for this festival i'm sure he wouldn't want to miss this opportunity, especially after he missed the 2004 one. i remember him saying in the press release that "I sincerely do not enjoy being robbed by one of our own of the opportunity to be the first artist to play it for the third time". if anything this will be a great setting for returning to the rock scene and convincing critics, maybe even debut some new material. i doubt chinese democracy will come out anytime before that, and i know it's a longshot, but releasing it close to this festival or creating a big buzz for it by debuting new material here would be a huge opportunity for axl to show that he is the right man to bring rock and roll back to where it should be. :smoking:

as far as I know, the next rock in rio will be in 2007, not 2006...

really? where did you read that? i have a link saying otherwise, but i'm not sure myself. ???

Good post, August. As this year winds down, and CD isn't released, there is gonna be ALOT of talk about Axl doing this show. If CD really doesn't come out this year, Rio is gonna be the 'make or break' point for GNR. If Axl doesn't do Rio, alot of people are going to come to the conclusion that GNR has nothing new to offer, have become irrelevant, and people will give up in droves. As I stated in another thread, the next year/year and a half are going to be very interesting times in the GNR world. 2005-06, people are gonna find out if CD is for real or not. Rio is the perfect place for Axl to showcase his new material. Since Axl loves Rio so much, I cant even imagine an excuse for him not to do it. If it has to do with Buckethead, surely he can find a replacement by then.

i agree about 2005/2006 probably being important in terms of guns n' roses, but i'm not so sure about the "make or break" part. axl has proved critics wrong before, and surely there will still be a huge demand for his music even if CD isn't released by 2007. the world, and especially the rock scene, will still be hungry and curious for axl to return to the stage with new music and reclaim his vacant throne as the greatest frontman that ever lived.

in the official site it says 2006

Yeah, people will always be hungry for some new GNR, but by 2007, CD will have been in the making for about 9 years. People will start satisfying that hunger elsewhere by then. This forum is still going pretty strong, but over at mygnr, there is alot of people thinking about just giving up on CD. It was quite depressing. And if 2007 rolls around with no CD, the group of people still waiting for this will be small indeed. Axl debuting new material at Rio( Catcher in the Rye, This I Love,full version of IRS, TWAT) would sustain alot of people, maybe for a few more years.

May 27 - Jun 04 2004
Lisboa

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please stop writing in every fifth post of you that people at mygnr.com want to give up on CD. i guess it interests most here not in the slightest if anyone at my gnr gives up on CD or not.

If it doesn't come out before the next rock in rio there will be no interest anymore.

i've noticed him mentioning that constantly too. if such negativism, why post on a fan forum at all?

I do think if he waits too long ppl will lose interest, and be less eager to see GnR. However, regardless of how long they wait hordcore GnR fans will still be enthused. But I dont there will be this big rush to go out and buy it.  :peace:

yes there will. once people see and hear the promotion of this mythic new guns n' roses album, ten years in the making, people will go nuts to buy it, even if it's just out of curiousity. that's how they drew such large crowds at the 2002 tour, with no new material released in a decade. curiousity.

War Rose and August, I've made those comments about faith being lost at mygnr about 2 or 3 times. I wouldn't say that is "constantly". According to your definition of the word, Axl releases press statements "constantly". The reason I mentioned it is because it appears that alot of people are starting to lose faith, and it seems to be occuring over there in a much higher degree than it is over here. No reason for you to say people at HTGTH dont care about mygnr. At least half the people here also go to that forum.

Really?!? I thought that the next rock in rio would be in 2007...looks like 2007 will be the next-next rock in rio...

I read somewhere that in 2007 we will gonna have a rock in rio at 3 cities at the same time...Rio, Lisboa and Sidney(I think)...I don't know how it'll goin' to happen...Medina could do it like Live 8...

There were large crowds at the 2002 tour of chinese democracy starts ummmmmm, now----no wait not yet maybe in the next decade?

Do u think that the fans who bought those `chinese democracy starts now` tour shirts could sue axl for false advertising?

and as for axls return in 2006, i dont think he will ever show his face in public again, his project failed, he killed one of the biggest bands in the world and the biggest thing thats so fucked up is that he failed the fans by telling untruths at every conceivable point that he had a microphone in his hands since duff slash matt left

phaseone, although I agree partially with your very critical analysis of the situation, I do think he will surface again. It might not be 'soon', but he will come back at some point. Even if you take into account a 'worst case scenario', the final chapter hasnt been written yet. As far as your statement about Axl 'killing' GNR, I disagree. He is definitely staining the legacy of the band, but he did not kill it. If anyone should be held responsible for destroying the band we once knew, it has to be Izzy. Nothing has been the same since his departure. As much as you like to do it, you cant blame every single thing on Axl. There were other people involved too.

his project failed? critics are already calling madagascar "epic", and there is a worldwide interest for his return and a sincere interest in this very very promising project throughout the world. i look very much forward to watching you eat your own words once chinese democracy drops. until then, i will kick back and keep my faith up. as for you, you will be seen as just another pathetic hypocrit.

rock in rio with GN'R aint gonna happen. i have my doubts.

well, there's a contradiction if i ever saw one.

You know with GNR its impossible to set concrete deadlines of when peopel are gonna give up on Axl, many peopl have, many people dont pay attention to it like us, and their intrest will be sparked whne  new of the album finally being realeased comes out.  Most of the people who check out the new GNR when CD comes out are gonna be the type of person who hasnt stood and waited  like us and there gonna be like "ohh yah GNR I loved that Band , I want to hear the new stuf" or something like that.  Most people dont visit message boards and while we are strong fans who are passionate about GNR, their general publics intrested will be sparked when news comes out, so i guess what i am saying is that it is possible for GNR to be succesful after rock in rio if they dont participate.  sorry if im rambling a lil in this post its 3AM here in Cali

Actually, some people have given up, but they will still buy the album when it comes out. In fact, when it comes out, every single person who was ever a GNR fan will buy the record. Whenever a thread comes up about how many copies it will sell, most people say it will sell 3 or 5 million copies here in the U.S., about the same in Europe. Bullshit!! In its first week of release, there wont even be enough copies available to satisfy the demand. They better produce between 10 to 15 million copies here in the U.S., because its gonna be huge. I also think there wont be many downloads of this album, most people are going to want the actual CD in their hands. I'm gonna go buy it the second its released, and buy 2 or 3 copies. Because in the world of GNR, anything can happen between release day and the day after.

what does being a gnr fan have to do with doubts with cd or it becoming late for a comeback if it takes a year or two more? You can be the biggest gnr supporter ever and their biggest fan and never even know about anything that happened from 99 to 2002.. I'm sure a few nutters say led zepplin is alive and well when rober plant does his solo tours...
I can't see the big deal with at least a few people in such a big comminuity being negative often.. be realistic most recluses don't just come back and contiunue where they left off, their is a reason they are so private and away from the public..

if he didn't copme back till rio 5 then there is serious problems

I can give up hope and still buy the damn thing, anyone without doubts is just lying to themselves and just because tons of money went into it doesn't mean you will see it

Mike, interesting point. Alot of people dont seem to realize that just because millions of dollars have been invested in this album, it does not guarantee its release. To shatter our dreams of this album, all Geffen/Interscope has to do is write off Chinese Democracy as a loss, and move on. Companies do this sort of thing on a daily basis. When it starts looking more like a liability than a real investment, they will do what I just described.

RIR will be in 2006. tv ads have already started in portugal. it''ll be next year in may

Some acts should confirm by november/december, huh?

i have no idea. but january seems more likely to me. i think that's when gn'r confirmed, and in march they canceled... i'm not that good with dates... :hihi:

yes it will, interscope has put such an incredible ammount of money into this project because they BELIEVE IN IT, and even if axl backs out i think they will somehow demand at least some of the material released. if not, axl would be in debt.

what's another lawsuit with axl rose...? Who wants a forced out album..? Nothing to back it that's half the fun the anitcipation and the touring the interviews the singles.. It's not that they have faith in axl rose, they have faith in the gnr name, the biggest marketable name in the past 15 years or so... Have axl trade in the gnr name and do a side project (kind of like this one) and see 13 million dollars :no: with endless time..

what's that got to do with anything? point is, interscope believes in axl and his group so much that they have spewed 13 million dollars plus into this project. he needs to prove himself to the record company for them to do that, interscope won't just hand out 13 million dollars just because he holds the name guns n' roses. they obviously believe in the music.

believe what you want man, he has endless time and funds because he has a very marketable name(guns n roses) that can sell millions of albums without new music... Believe that axl rounded up some random guys and that some record company is just like here's a blank check.. The point is if it wasn't a band called gnr it wouldn't get funded like this and there would be action taken sooner to make money back on the product.. The gnr name is a sure bet from it's track record..

i agree that it's a sure bet from it's track record but that doesn't mean interscope doesn't demand a certain standard in exhange for all of their money. but i get your point. i'm out.

edit: axl's decision to use the guns n' roses name has obviously bought him alot of time and money, and it was a very clever move. marketing and so on will be a cakewalk. so i agree with you on that. i think if slash and duff had used the guns n' roses name their audience would be even bigger.

August, you're going in a direction that you dont really want to go. This album does NOT have to come out, and I'm not talking from Axl's point of view, but from Geffen/Interscope. Yes, they invested alot of money in this project, and would like the investment to pay off. It hasn't. Yes, they could force Axl to release it. GUESS WHAT?? That will take years and millions of more dollars sucked down the CD drain. If it reaches that point, Geffen/Interscope will not be able to recoup their investment from the long wait and the lawsuit to force CD. At this point, CD becomes a liability and not an asset. They will then write the investment off as a loss, and void the contract they have with Axl/GNR. This move would make Axl very 'high risk', and other companies would avoid him like the plague. This would ensure that CD never sees the light of day. We have already seen the first step in this 'nightmare' scenario occur, and it went largely unnoticed. It was when Geffen/Interscope stopped funneling money into CD... I'm sorry if this post bums some of you guys out, I just wanted to explain to Mr. August that there is not a 100% chance that this album will be released.

i just don't understand why axl wouldn't want this great material which he has spent so many years of his life on, to be released. i'm gonna believe him when he says that it definately will. i don't see why he would want to keep all this material buried and risk becoming a joke within the music industry when he has the opportunity and the potential to become the king of it.

RISK becoming a joke?? He already is a joke. I have faith that he can redeem himself, and I know that you guys do too, but does Axl have the faith in himself?

Rock in Rio Lisboa 2006 will start the 26th of May!

Rock on  : ok:

damn straight. : ok:


i believe that axl has so much faith in himself and his new material that he has decided not to let other people, including the music industry and the fans, determine it for him. that's why he is taking his sweet time with this album, he wants to be able to look back on it and feel that he did this his way and never bowed down to pressure.

Because Axl never thinks it's good enough.   The proof is all the producers that have worked with thim, all say the same thing, the statements are very consistent.   They have all said the material is brilliant, amazing, great and yet they all left because Axl wasn't ready to release the material, he is still working on it, still tweaking it.   

Most of the reviews I read for the 2002 tour were pretty negative.  One reviewer referred to Madagascar as "durge like" and "self indulgent".  As for this supposed worldwide interest, how do you explain the half empty shows on the 2002 tour?
So far I have heard two pretty good songs and two average songs from CD.  Given the fact that we don't know for sure if any of these songs except for the title cut will make it onto CD it's highly speculative to say that this is a "promising project".
It's endearing that you are prepared to believe that Axl is going to come up with anything in the next year or two but some of us are looking at this dispassionately and not really seeing alot of hope that Axl can ever reach the same level of success that he once enjoyed.

Good post Kitano. I thought August was crazy for saying the new songs got great reviews, especially ones calling it 'epic'. Most reviews were shitty. I think the best review the live stuff got was from Rolling Stone. There was definitely worldwide interest following the VMA's. Axl just pissed it away. No album and a shitty setlist caused the disinterest in the tour. It was the absolute perfect time to release the album. If Axl's gonna wait for a better time than that to release the album, then we're in for an infinite wait.

"a shitty setlist"? man your negativism amazes me, especially since you claim to be a fan. the 2001/2002 setlists which we were fortunate enough to witness, were a very crowd pleasing set and more than most people had hoped for, as alot of guns n' roses fans feared that he would ignore the old classics. but he didn't, he gave the crowd and the fans what they wanted, and got slammed for it. it's ridicilous. and if you wanna look for the review that called madagascar "epic", look through the post-rio 2001 reviews. i think it was the rolling stone one, and in my opinion madagascar, though only heard as a live bootleg, is one of the best songs to ever surface. and make no mistake, i'm not blindly defending axl, i just believe in this project alot and i'm known to stand up for what i believe in.

August, it WAS a shitty setlist. And alot of hardcore fans will agree with me on this. It was a rehash of AFD with a few extras tossed in. You say everyone wanted the classics? Bullshit! Axl's major fanbase wanted new material, and he only tossed some minor bones at us. It pissed alot of people off. And thats why this tour failed. In 91, GNR did as far as I'm concerned, the greatest tour in history, and it will never be repeated again(by anybody). People were starving for new material, and half the songs played(sometimes more) were the songs nobody had heard. This was a big risk, but they did it and it blew the crowds minds. Alot of people expected Axl to do the same in 2002. He didn't. So he spent part of the tour playing to half empty arenas. My negativism?? I'm not negative, I'm being realistic. And as far as you saying I "claim" to be a fan. Thats way out of line!! Those types of comments should only be said to someone's face, not on an anonymous message board.

well i actually thougt of writing "seem to be a fan", but your posts as of late seem to be mostly negative. anyway, maybe it was out of line, i'm just sick of axl's own fans turning on him, it's the last thing he needs. but listen, you're a good poster, i apologize for that one. that being said, i didn't say that "everyone" wanted the old material, but hey, here's some news for you: most of axl's fans don't even follow his current carreer, so they wanted the old material played first and foremost, and were glad to see axl back on stage. that was the jist of it, and that is why the old songs received alot more response than the new ones. this isn't 1992 anymore, face it, most people come to see gn'r out of nostalgia and curiousity. axl knows this and considers it, that is why, with no new record out, he decided to please the fans of the old group, which is a majority, as well as give some hints of what's to come to the hardcore ones. again, sorry about my first comment, i should've typed "seem" and i promise you i even considered typing that. no hard feelings i hope, it was a miss on my part.

 Dude, u r such a joker. Just yesterday u told me i must not be a real fan, so why would u take offense to someone saying it to u? And once again u r making up shit & posting it as fact, like people being mad they played so much AFD material!!!!! Most people going to those shows didn't even know there was sum supposed album called CD in the works. If axl had gone out to the few shows he played & done 10 songs the audience had never heard before, his shortened tour would've been that much shorter.
 People were confused in '91 when they were playing never heard before songs, it's just GNR was so huge at that point they could've walked out on stage & played catch & the crowd still would've loved it. They were the Beatles with all the screaming girls drowning out the music at that point. The setlist had nothing to do with why that toured failed.
 Also, UYI's supposed to of already been released when those early '91 shows happened, but someone kept stalling. So it was definitely not part of the plan to be playing unreleased songs, but they could get away with it then. People were just happy to see the band at all.

The reason most people dont follow the band is because nothing ever happens. They still wanted to hear new material. Its only logical that fans since 87 would want to hear some new shit. I think the tour would've gotten a better response if he would've played about 9 or 10 new songs, with a few 'classics' thrown in. He made a major mistake by not doing this. As far as your comments about some of my recent posts being negative, maybe you're right. But I NEVER insult Axl or take personal shots at him. Never have, never will. I usually discuss the strangeness of this CD situation, and some negativity will come out as a result of discussing that topic. Did you finally read that NYT article? Did it make your heart skip a beat?

BotAxl, the reason I said that to you yesterday is because you mostly just post personal insults about Axl. But I actually considered sending you an apology by PM. I figured your personal insults of Axl is just your way of venting frustrations.

actually it was an eye-opener, but this is my take on the article, i posted this in the article thread:

i think, as the article somewhat points out, that axl has become so buried under all of his visions and all of his work that he doesn't know how to put it all together into one package, mixed with the fact that he doesn't want this album to come out unless it is perfect in his eyes. this is a somewhat sad personal situation for him, but it also tells me that axl truly wants to make the best damn guns record possible, and not only for himself, but to live up to the enormous expectations from the fans and the rest of the world, to live up to and again add new glory to the name guns n' roses. he wants this project to surpass his previous efforts, and this is obviously a task so big that he's crumbling under it, but not giving up, because he, as we do, knows what he is capable of. this to me is personally alot more satisfying than if he was to rush out some half-done, half-assed album under the guns n' roses name and ruin it's legacy. and i think in the end, most fans will end up thanking him for it.

You sure know how to put a positive spin on that article, dont you? LMAO! It was a pretty damning article concerning our hopes for CD. It was definitely a nail in the coffin for CD. Not the final nail, but a nail nonetheless.

i call it as i see it, and i know that axl has way too much talent and integrity not to make a joke of himself by not releasing chinese democracy. i don't know when it will happen, and to be honest with you, i don't really care anymore, as long as he relases it when he's ready. and when he does that, it will be, in his own words, "out of the ballpark".

I find it funny how GNR fans sit around and call the setlist for the 2002 tour "bad" or "shitty" .. same with people hating on the greatest hits tracklist .. what kind of GNR "fans" are ya?!

that's what i was wondering. and btw, james, your usage of the word "shitty" about the appetite set list was what made me raise that question, nothing else. just so you know.

Saul, we're the kind of fans who want to hear something new instead of the millionth rendition of 'Jungle',etc. If I want to hear the old stuff, I'll listen to the old albums or listen to a concert from the old days. And as far as your comments about the Hits album, the tracklist must have been picked by someone who is blind and deaf. GNR has too much great material for a 3rd of the album to be covers.

I guess thats all your opinion. I couldnt imagine a GNR concert with WTTJ , SCOM & PC?!  :nervous:

Moreover , with no album ready for release why on earth would axl go out and play all his new songs? So we could sit back and bootleg them and get kinda used to them as we have with most of the new material we have heard? What good would the album be if we allready had all the songs?

As for the greatest hits ... most of the songs on that album are the SINGLES GNR released , get it? Regardless , they are all songs recorded by GNR (read : recorded , not written) and they all fucking smoke! If you dont like that then fine .. but to be hating on GNR material is plain out hating on GNR. I bet that album got GNR a bunch of new fans who flocked out to by AFD , Lies and UYI's afterwards.

It's like dealing drugs , give em a taste , for free and get them on the comeback .. the comeback .. thats where the money is!  : ok:

especially if he gives his fans five years to digest any new tracks that he plays in concert.

i agree, i think this was all carefully orchestred by axl. he's a smart dude and a clever businessman, he knows what works.

There ya go. I mean it's gunna be cool to have a real studio version of madagascar .. but really , will it be THAT much better then versions I have now? Will there be much , if any difference in the actual musical notes? The beats? the lyrics?  ???

Well according some peeps on this board, Fortus and Finck are so much better suited for Guns than Bucket. Maybe the Finck will infinitely bend the Madagascar solo and suck himself into a black hole. Could be interesting to hear.

Yeah. Ever notice how when you pass a automobile accident scene you can help but slow down and look?  :nervous:

Back to Rio for a minute. If GNR performs at Rio, will you be happy with another rehash of AFD and the same 3 to 5 'new' songs being played? Or would you rather have a completely revamped setlist?

The whole give us a taste theory I would 100% believe if he ever does come back.  I mean, it's been 3 years and I would think that if he truly wanted do this thing right then that whole theory would make complete sense.  That fact that he hasn't returned and we have no clue as to when he will return, the whole entire tour as short lived as it was seemed pointless doesn't it.   He gave us taste and left us starving so to speak :hihi:  Look I am not trying to bash but I call it as I see it.

DTJ, if he tries another comeback(Rio), without CD, he has to deliver the goods. No more AFD rehash. Yeah, he can play the 'classics' from the album, but thats it. And if he wants to be taken seriously by possibly being the headlining act at Rio, he HAS to deliver some of these "Big Guns". No more Riyadh, Silkworms, Madagascar, The Blues, or CD. If he ends up playing those same five songs as his 'new' material at Rio, then he has absolutely nothing new to offer his fans. This is when a majority of people will really start to question the album's existence.

One can only hope James that he does come back.  If he plays the same songs, it will no doubt be extremely embarrasing not only for him but for his bandmates and the record co.  IMO, I don't think that we will see Axl and GNR again unless CD is released.  I can't see him doing this twice.  Playing Rio without an album released or slated for definite release by the record co, officially. 

i think you're wrong. i'm REALLY tired right now but i'll try to answer. axl doesn't have to do anything. as one of the most legendary performers still alive and one of the most interesting people out there, his mere presence there will have people buy tickets. he doesn't need to give us any new material at all, if he feels that it's not time yet and he simply wants the band to do a kick-ass performance. there will be plenty of time for us to hear the new material so why shouldn't he give people the classics they want if that's what he wants to do. that's what all great rock bands do, isn't it? tour behind their old classics. and face it, guns n' roses are now nostalgia and a up there with the legends, so people want what they know, first and foremost. apart from pehaps the hard core of fans. so, being one of those who don't give in to negativity, i believe that this album will come out, he will tour behind it, and all of this will just be looked back on and seen as pointless doubting. like "how could we ever doubt this immensely talented man? loooool" and soforth. i can just picture it. that's when i'll kick back, put my feet up, listen to chinese democracy with a great conscience and enjoyment and spraypaint "hypocrite" on the forehead of certain of his soon-to-be asskissers.

August, I am not a 'soon to be asskisser'. I stand by every statement I've ever made about CD. I do not post insults about Axl. I dont hate the guy on a personal level. CD is a very interesting story, and I will NOT back off from the statements I've made. If CD is released, it will disprove a couple of my theories I've brought up, but I will not apologize for the comments I've made regarding the situation. Some people here might, but I wont.

DTJ, I agree. Its not logical for him to come back without an album. I'm sure he realizes this. But if he does do Rio, he's got to show us something new. At least 2 or 3 new songs. It would ease alot of the frustration, and might buy him some more time, at least from the fans perspective.

He absolutley must have a new album to promote the next time he tours - no question

I hear what you are saying...and if Axl wants to comeback and just be a nostalgic band, more power to him, I love Axl don't get me wrong.  The fact that he started to promote Chinese D, that he said at the VMA's round 2, interviews he did at that time all the promoting for it,  that's why it would be embarrassing for him to comeback without new material or CD.   If he ever intends to do a major show or tour and have nothing new then he should release a statment before hand just so the impact isn't all that bad. 

yeah but i think it's clear to most of us that axl doesn't want to be a nostalgic artist just touring behind his classics with a new band, he wants to create new energy! that's what most of us are here for right now i suppose. but if he feels that the timing just ain't ready yet then so be it, i would rather have him back doing classics than not have him back at all.

I would rather not have him back at all, it's too embarrassing for him.  The music media and his peers will have a field day on him, not to mention his fans that have been so eagerly awaiting CD. 

I'd rather have him back as a nostalgia act than not have him back.  I've never had the pleasure of seeing him perform live.  Of course it would be much cooler if he was with Slash, Duff, and Izzy, but even without them its still probably pretty awesome watching Axl Rose perform live and I want to be able to see that at least once.

Rob, I feel sorry for the people who never got to see them live. I seen them in July 1991, a couple months before Izzy left. They were on top of the world, and you couldn't see a better show. The 2002 tour was cancelled before it came to my area. But I wasn't that pissed about it, although I did want to see them. No way in hell it could've been better than it was in 91.

i agree, i want a chance to see him live too, nostalgia act or not, though that would make me somewhat frustrated because i know what axl is still capable of.

I had a better time in Rock in Rio 3 than 2 as far as I can remember (not much  :hihi:).

If anyone thinks it would be embarrasing for Axl to do one gig with the old material before CD starts than I feel bad for them, cos as soon as he starts singing 'Welcome To The Jungle' the people watching will not think about that.

estranged, you dont remember much?? Damn, thats a shame. When I seen them, i wasn't drunk or on hard drugs. I was hella stoned on green bud. And believe me, nothing intensifies a weed high better than seeing live GNR.

lol damn i can imagine that. :smoking:

Yeah, bit I'm convinced I'm gonna see em at least once.  I came as close as one can get without seeing Axl.  I was at the Philly show in 2002 where the CD tour came to a crashing halt.  I can only imagine (and I have many times) what it would've been like to see the old band.  I envy anyone who ever was able to see them back in the day.  You got to see the greatest rock band of all time in their prime.

Rob, that really sucks!! Axl owes Philly big time!! Like, maybe a 4 hour show? LOL! The night I seen them in July 91 was one of the best moments of my life. I have been a fan since the beginning, and I was DYING to hear the new material, just like these newer fans are dying to hear CD. Axl did not let me down. Back then, GNR didnt have a setlist, they just decided onstage what they wanted to play. Axl must have read my mind, because the show was very Illusions heavy. GNR performed 'Jungle','Sweet Child', 'Paradise City', 'Brownstone', and 'Patience'. The rest of the show was the new songs. It was fucking incredible! The only thing that was disappointing was the fact that they didnt play 'Its so Easy'. They usually play that song, but didnt for some reason. I know i've mentioned this before, but they played a reggae version of 'Civil War' that I have not heard before or since then. My uncle went with me to that show, and he's not even a huge fan of GNR, and he still talks about that Civil War version to this very day. The show was absolutely magical. I went to the doctor a few months ago, wearing an Axl shirt of course, and the nurse started talking to me about GNR. She was at this same show I mentioned. It was really cool getting to discuss that experience with someone who was there. She also remembered the reggae Civil War. I always wondered why this version of the song was only played once.

Myabe not as the concert is going on but the backlash would be hardcore.

interesting - thought Id bump this thread as it turns out its very relevant  :)

Good bump, Jimmy. Great thread from last year. Even has one of the infamous August18th-Lofton debates. I'm sure speed_stone will be happy about this bump. :rofl: :rofl:


Only comment I made in this thread that I would revise is the 15 million sales I predicted. I dont think it can sell that much. I must have been having a drug induced flashback when I said that. :hihi:

I hate to use a "Wrestling Quote" on the Gn'R section of the board but.....

As Triple H would say....at Rock in Rio....the King of Kings goes back on his throne ;)

oh man feel free to quote triple H any time!!  : ok:

Rock in rio 2006 - Axl's return Part two ! : ok:

what are you talking about lol :hihi:

Why?? Triple Gay is the ONLY reason I have stopped watching wrestling... Every match is predictable(flair coming to help)... God forbid if he loses the title ::)

 :hihi:  Wow, dude, you haven't watched in a really long time.  Trips hasn't been champ for over a year now.  Also he hasn't been with Flair in quite a while either.  The Wrestling Thread is spreading, baby.  A lethal dose of poison has been injected into this thread.  Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

It's not all about Axl for me. I'd like to see A BAND now. Hope they will be more "a real band" and tigher than they were in 2002.

Round 2 The band is taking form now! Tight as a drum. then move to round 3  (chinese democracy)

What a good read!  It's good reading one of the classics again : ok:

best post ever.

*bump*

thing is,RIR isnt gonna be axls return now so this thread can dissapear back a few pages  :hihi:

officially yes, doubters said RIR wasn't even gonna happen so just shaddap :P :hihi:

You a psychic, james? Three out of four debuted this year, with quite possibly first ever live performances of them to be had in RIR5.

Thing is, it's his return on the BIG STAGE.  Little ol' Hammerstein as a warm-up doesn't quite count.

I wonder if Axl will reveal much at the warm up gigs or leave most of the talking to RIR  ???

he'll drop little bits and pieces and what he's been up to the last 4 years..but the rant will have to wait 'til Portugal :smoking:

excactly. :smoking:

everything counts my friend. first of all when axl hits the "small" stage next month in ny his adrenaline will be above or equal to anything hes done before. he will be playing the leaks and most likely a few more. believe me, everything counts. ever see the ritz show in 1991 ?

It might not count, but I'm still gonna do my damnest to make that show, warm-up or not...

oh, most definitely, you gotta go for it :beer:

oh it counts alright.its only GNR PLAYIN IN FUKIN NEW-YORK.doesnt count my arse.

just because the RIR crowd is gonna be bigger.which show will bring the first headlines to the daily papers accross the world???yes NEW-YORK so that to me is a return!

like i said,they will RETURN to the headlines when they play their first show (NEW YORK) wether its infront of 20 poeple or 200,000 poeple  : ok:

stop being so damn self-righteous, shut the fuck up and be happy they are even playing. good day.

his performances were pretty intense vocal wise but you are right on. he seemed very subdued or dare i say uninterested between songs. i guess i'm used to seeing axl wide eyed and using his tongue like a razor to get his point across when he felt the need to talk.

if axl want to come ner me to do a couple small show, ill be there. im going to do everything i can to be there for the 17th. the way i see it, it may very well be filmed also, so thats a plus. and, most everyone there is going to be a hardcore gnr fan.

yeah,i see where your coming from but by the time of the rio show,GNR will already be all over the papers.either kings of new-york or not.it doesnt matter anyway,as long as it all goes down well :peace:

id say axl did all the planning but i could be wrong.look what happened last time a GNR manager planned a tour  :rofl:

well and truly AXLED :hihi:.im thinking maybe merck finds the venues then clears it with axl for a go ahead.

it does come in handy in a buisness  :hihi:.

hell probebly get to lisbon around christmas  :hihi:.no seriously,hes got 10 days after the new-york shows so i hope he gets to portugal for at least a couple of days before the show so he can chill out and maybe hell be in a really good mood and give out more info.

That sounds good.  He can rest up and enjoy his time, take in the sights and recover from the jet lag, assuming he gets it.  And maybe practice some more and do a soundcheck.  Wait, they wouldn't be able to soundcheck would they?  They have bands playing on the stage continously.

Why did you ever doubt me?  :rofl:

nyc is axl's return now.. I wonder if he'll speak to the crowd about anything.. Hopefully something about CD, will kurt loder be there :D he'll be like in a week and a half we'll be hitting europe, then america whenever and hopefully tonight this is our new single ______

____ and the crowd goes wild!

a nice rant about mr weiland would be nice too

indeed it will.

i think that is a certainty.but i dont think axls rant will be as personal as scotts,i dont think axl will sink that low.

I hope there is a good one... Weiland is a piece of sh*t...

weiland is good at what he does but with the rant about axl,he went a bit too far.

weiland is a loser, please don't pollute this thread with his name.

A contradiction? You have polluted plenty of threads with Weiland is a fag,pussy,etc. posts. Dont tell other people they cant do the same. YG, why do you think that? Seems like you would want Axl to have matured some. In my opinion, the rants dont add anything to his performance. These rants just seem to piss him off even more, and a pissed off Axl is more likely to walk off stage or do something else similarly stupid. Hopefully, for the sake of fans, he takes a HOB approach to these shows.

I hope Axl does do a rant on that pussy Scott 'fraudboy' Weiland  :hihi:

the funny thing is that if axl does, scott can't do a damn thing about it and he has a snowball's chance in hell of speaking to an audience as big as axl's so he won't be able to get his "retaliation" across :rofl: