Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I'm talking about the part at the very end of the song when Axl yells and he starts soloing...I am assuming that is Buckethead (due to the shredding? : ok:)?

My main question, if that is Buckethead, is can the other GnR guitarists play that part? Would they have to change the song if they can't pull it off? I don't know much about them, and I certainly don't doubt them...But I know of Buckethead's skills and that part is extremely fast.

That was an old demo we heard.  Buckets part could have been erased by now.

Since the first time I heard IRS, I've always though the same thing: the song kicks-ass, but I see one weak point in it (and just one): the Buckethead "without heart and soul" shredd guitar solo at the end. No feeling, boring, too fast and not melodious. My friend would have made a better guitar solo. Buckethead is the weakest point on that song. the rest of the band is amazing, the rythm section is  :o and Axl is phenomenal.
the Robin's short guitar solo (first one) is really cool, I like it.

yeah that's definately Bucket.
I love that solo!
and no, I really really doubt Richard or Robin can pull of solos like that.
they have probably been erased. and if they stay on the record, Robin or Richard will probably improvise on them in live situations.
they might have put new solos over Buckets stuff though, I doubt Richard has done it, since it seems like it's been long since he was in the studio with GN'R. Robin on the other hand..who knows what he's been up to.

I hope Bucketheads stuff stay on the record! :yes:

that solo could've had more feeling to it, yes. shredding isn't always good.

oh yeah last thing: Tommy is an amazing bassist. Everytime I heard a new GN'R song (IRS and the blues) I notice how great his bass lines are.
That guy is fucking great!! : ok:

I for once didnt like BHs solo in a song. It felt out of place.

I didn't mind it too much. I should have contained more variation on the main melody of the song, but since this is a demo, it is possible that this was just a temporary solo to fill in the gap. Who knows. The scream leading in to the solo though is impeccable.

The solo fit the song perfectly. : ok:

I like Robins solo part better than BHs in IRS

I agree with you...

I really don't know why some people have this problem with fast solos...This solo HAVE FELLING...just because this solo is a fast one, doesn't mean that it can't have felling...

The solo is great, at least I like it...I just don't know how it'll gonna work live, without BH who get to do this solo? I don't think that Robin or Richard can do it...I don't know, it just don't seems like their way to play...

 Someone said Buckethead's parts cant really be replicated. I think you're wrong. Remember that guitarist of the band Living Colour? That guy could kick some ass!! Remember that solo from 'Cult of Personality'? One of the most memorable solos of the 80's. Although I remember an interview where Slash commented on it and he said the solo is pure studio, it cant sound like that live. Although I never heard Living Colour live to know if Slash was right or not.

That would be Vernon Reid, and yes, hes an incredible player
Highly unlikely he'd come on board given the two bands histories however

Jimmy, highly unlikely?? Damn! You mean that guy still hasn't gotten over the 'One in a Million' fiasco? LMAO! He needs to get over it, cause if he would, an interesting opportunity might present itself.

I like Bucket's solo, really don't have a problem with that.
I guess we could hear Richard doing this solo live, I really think he's able to play it.

yes he is, but Richard is a much more bluesier guitarist than buckethead. Listen to his stuff ('dead again, dead man), it sounds very Classic-Rock and even Western sometimes. Richard makes me think to a melting pot between jeff beck, slash, and ZZ Top, with a touch of hanz zimmer.

Surprisingly Richard had a very difficult time with the Slash's NR solo; Buckethead, though, completely nailed the outro. People here can label Bucket whatever they want, but the difference in talent level between Bucket and the Richard/Robin combo outweighs any of the differences in style.

this song is so great, even though it's just a shitty demo it's a small sample of what's to come. we're witnessing something huge here, that's for sure. :smoking: only axl can make songs like this, beats the hell out of everything in rock today. :smoking:

This solo is so amazing... Yeah GN'R musicians are (were? :crying:) great. Buckethead plays with his soul don't believe BH haters? ;) :drool:


Yeah come on I will speak to Axl about your friend.
Don't quote "without heart and soul": you try to make this sentence a common saying but you create it, they are your own words. Perhaps some jackass share this opinion yeah  :hihi:

so august 15th and dave-gnfr2k are also "jasckass" I guess for you too...as well as plenty of others non BH fans.
Continue to insult other boardmembers, and maybe a day or another you'll be banned? : ok:

oh yeah and for my friend listen to what he is capable of: http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0WDSEESC7VOD22X87AFV6I15UL
You see, it's not that difficult to find a guitar player with more "soul and heart" in his guitar playing than BH, even a 20 years old teenager amateur can do better. Well at least that's what I think and I am intelligent enough not to treat other boardmembers of "jackass" if they don't agree with me. unfortunately, "intelligent" is a word you don't know...because you are not. :peace:

Bucket is phenominal....But ....... It doesn`t fit the rest of the song.

I must be a jackass too!  I don't have a problem with Bucket at all, but the solo just doesn't fit the song that great.  It's not a bad solo, it's just not a great solo.  And when you put an okay solo in a great song, it stands out like a soar thumb! 

yeah man, it seems we are all jackass. Next time don't pay attention to what pingouirose says. this guy is ridiculous. Believe my experience with him on other boards...hope he will be ban soon if he continues. He likes to disrespect everybody.
To come back to the subject, I said many many times that BH is a phenomenal guitar player, but even a phenomenal guitar player can write and play bad solos, or rather solos wich are out of context with a specific song, it happens. And that's the case , in my opinion, for IRS. A shredd guitar solo sounds out of context. That solo may fit in a metallica or iron maiden song, but for a GN'R song and especially that one, it sounds like something apart. But that's just a demo, and Axl has 2 other very talented guitarists to make a new and better solo instead.
apart that solo, IRS absolutely rocks 8)

So, can we just confirm here, the copy of IRS that everybody heard was the version that was (rumoured) to have been played on the radio? Because if it was I still find it strange that a demo copy would have been 'leaked' to the radio. If you ask me, it doesn't sound like a finished song.  To be fair to Buckethead I think other parts of the song also need some work on them.

I don't think the solo fits well into the song, but its not really to do with the speed, more the structure, timing and flow. I can't really hear whats going on when Axl is screaming, although I like the idea of him screaming over a fast solo. It kind of hangs after Axl finishes his scream before building up again very quickly and dying again. He also does that v. cliched thing where the guitatirist will start low and work up the scales (sorry for the lack of technical terms I don't play guitar). Zakk is a shredder and I've seen him do some more interesting solos.

Lead guitarists usually spend a lot of time on perfecting solos and I'm pretty sure this would have been work in progress. I remember watching a Metallica video once and Kirk Hammett was really struggling with the solo to the Unforgiven, but in the end it turned out just fine!

yes. It was said to be a demo CD thrunk received. When IRS surfaced, that was madness on mygnrforum.com?. I've never ever seen that in my life on the internet. The board exploded several times. When the album will be released, I think the internet will explode :hihi:

nesquick you made me laugh  ;D
Your old nickname was rockstar and you were the laughing stock of Hardware.fr, Oasisfr and GNRFrance boards. So don't say I disrespect other boardmembers because it's false. Yes I disagree with you but you make so many "propaganda" against BH in every post on every board...

About your MP3: I don't post links of Buckethead songs (yeah also because it's forbidden) but if you want to listen to huge guitar parts, check Phantom lights, Unrestrained Growth, etc.. So so many good songs. But I think you don't like Buckethead cause he doesn't have the "rocker" vibe as Fortus. It's your opinion...  : ok:

you speak about things that happened years ago. some of them happened in 2001! get your head out of my ass. get a life.
You are the person who gave me IRS by e-mail when I had to beboot my computer, and I thank you for that, and you know it, everything was fine with you, but once you knew I were nesquick you totally changed your behaviour in a second, like day and night, and you started to bash me there and then. Now to tell you the truth I absolutely don't care about people who say shit about me on the internet, I don't care. My passion is music and I'm here because i've been waiting CD for 10 years and I want it to be a success. i worked in studio, i met incredible talented people and I'm valid to speak about music. I don't give a sh** about personal attacks. I think I'm a pretty intelligent guy with who you can discuss by PM if there is a problem. So next time, if you have a problem dude, just use the PM and things will be fine? : ok:
I don't like conflicts. I have almost 1500 messages here and absolutely no problem with any boardmembers. everything is fine. So why do you provoc? you have everything to loose, because one day or another you may be banned. But I guess according to you, we are all jackass...aren't we? ;)

I didn't say 'all' ;)
Yeah don't like conflicts too.. You distort all.

End of story  ::)

I reckon his part in this tasty even though it's a demo, I think a mapped out type solo for the one that will appear on CD should be awesome  : ok:

i tell you right now, i dont mined Bucketheads solo in IRS, it rocks : ok:? ? but........

from watchin' my limited selection of bootlegs, i notice Buckethead gets away with his solo's on the spot to almost all the songs they play live in 2002, he has afew things he plays here n' there (Nightrain :drool:) he adds in that are awsome everytime. But im sayin' the solo in IRS was probebly made up on the spot.

Bucketheads solo to Chinese Democracy is different everytime, MSG rocks the best :drool:, but afew i heard suck (well...one in particular) ......we really cant judge this demo other then its a fucken demo, so just chill guys....Axl would'nt let it happen.......... :no:
he'll drag it down to the fucken pavemant :beer:

buckethead's solos fit exactly in I.R.S. and Chinese Democracy!!!!!!!!

The Irs Solo and the solo he added to CD is incredible. Axl better atleast keep most of Buckets parts on the album. NA dhopefully try to reel him back in when hes ready to release the album.