Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Found this over at Mygnr. A newbie name TheViper posted it. it desn't sound live either. What do you think? Is it bullshit?

First part is OMG, second part is The Blues (is this live or studio?) third part is Giant Robot by Buckethead.

http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=26AGNKEFD5HSF06DCMZGBN98RK

The blues sounds live just very cleaned up.

Sounds like just a loose, guitar demo.
Whether it's legit or not, it doesn't really do much for me.

Its the pitt version just cleaned up.

Yep, sounds like a cleaned-up live version to me too. The guitars have been put forward and the drums are wayyy too inaudible.

I thought it may be live too but I hear no crowd at all. Can you delete the crowd by cleaning up sound clips?

It does sound pretty rough though

You know its not studio because listen to the real clips from the promo, they sound totally different. Also, you can tell its not really studio since the person picked a part where Axl was not singing.

Should I change the title of the thread then?

Yes you can

http://www.silence-isnt-golden.com/theblues-remix.mp3

Listen to this after the beginning. You cant heard the crowd at all pretty much.
Skip to the middle and lisiten to the solo in this version, it sounds studio but its not.
He could have used this since the mix is much better and sounds better.

Yeah, I see I already had this on my computer. And I thought I recognized the clip but I wasn't sure. oh well. Wishful thinking I guess. : ok: I changed the title of the thread too.

some of you have listened to so many sound boards you are like pros.. :o

I'm just in to reading latley I forgot what it sounds like to hear Axls VOICE but if theres anymore down loads they should at least have some Axl singing along w/it. Sounds like a live  version just cleaned up. I'm not impressed at all, the studio versions will sound so much fuller than this crap your head will spin. I CAN'T WAIT!!!! 

Sounds alittle slow but better Dave, thanks

definately soundboards

Robin fucked up his solo ----> Soundboard
I've always wondered what the hell he has with his guitar tone. I'm really not a fan of his guitar sound. It sounds really..."special".

Special means "Retarded!"  :rofl: :rofl:

I don't care to much for his "sound" either but, whatever, I don't have a say in who the GnR guitarist is.

I think you didn't understand what I meant, because there was nothing funny out there. The guitar sound (tone) is extremely important for a guitarist and more generally for a band. It's as important as the voice for a singer.

I understand it's important. and I understand that Finck is an average guitarist at best, but at this point I just wanna hear some new music with Axl singing. And I have no say in whether Finck stays or not so I guess I'm gonna have to deal with his special "tone" or "sound" or whatever you wanna call it. (seriously though, lighten up I was just having some fun. you said he has a "special" sound and I my reply was supposed to be a joke)

And for all you finck lovers, If the album comes out and his solos are amazing I'll be the first to apologize for saying he sucks, but I thought he was brutal on the 2002 tour.

I was the one who originally posted the clip in the first place, and directly stated it was live clips right from the get-go. I made it for my college friends and uploaded it in a MyGN'R string because I thought other Gunners would find it amusing. "The Blues" section is from the Pittsburgh soundboard. It sounds studio (but again, IS NOT) because I band extrapolated the audio and then sped up the tempo to correspond with the guitar solos in the Vegas and Rio performances. I thought that it would be safe to do this if I directly said exactly what it was, but I should have known some dipshit would reupload while adding a bunch of lies. Sorry for any confusion.

Finck doesn't suck. None of new GN'R members "suck". and you know, it's a very critical (rather EXIGENT) guy who tells you that: me, nesquick.
I think the right view is when you say "I thought he was brutal on the 2002 tour". That's right. That's the right analyse in my opinion. I agree. In my opinion, his sound was "brutal" in the way it was in total opposition with how GN'R sounded back in the days (this "classic-rock" sound, both bluesy and row). I think it was "brutal" because Robin's style is so different from what GN'R has always been that...sometimes you wonder if he is really the right guy, considering his style and approach (same for BH, Fortus is perfect though). It doesn't mean he sucks, I have too much respect for Robin to say he sucks, it wouldn't be nice, but it's pretty clear for me that Robin is a step back of talent compared to Slash. I am fair, and I like to be fair, He doesn't do justice to the "former" lead GN'R guitarist. :-\

I hope you aren't referring to me as a dipshit. Cause I didn't hear it when you originally posted it and some guy uploaded it from a different site and I thought I would see what the deal was, if anyone knew what was up with it. Dave pointed out that it was a cleaned up live version like 10mins after I posted it and I changed the title of the thread after I knew it wasn't studio.

Well NIN songs are far from difficult to play and he sucked in 2002 and that's all I've heard from him so until I'm proven otherwise I don't hold his guitar skills in very high regard. He may be a great person but being cool doesn't mean you are a good guitarist.

No, the dipshit is the guy who reuploaded it to MyGN'R. You did the right thing and asked for clarification, rather than drawing your own assumptions.  :peace:

Cool then, cause I thought that you were being mean to me and I was gonna have to do an axl rant on your ass. :rofl: : ok:


Besides, nesquick, I can play the Patience solo better than him and I SUCK at guitar. Robin works for GnR!!! What else does he have to do other than play guitar and learn old tunes? He's supposed to be a professional guitar player and he can't play a simple solo? That's why I say he sucks.  I know, he wanted it to sound like that, right? Well then he's tone-deaf, cause it sounded like shit, don't fuck with a good thing is what I say.

Fink is a cool guitarist, he's allowed to improvise if he wants

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

Yeah but you should know what you are doing before you improvise. :hihi:

Anyone who claims Finck  sucks doesnt know the first thing about guitar.

I dunno, there was a poster here who nailed the problems that finck has; his solos are sloppy and off tempo, he bends his notes far too long and lags behind the rest of the song, his notes are far from smooth, rather very choppy.  Buckethead nailed every piece of music he attempted, whereas time and time again, Finck has butchered his fair share of old songs, hear LALD from the Asian tour, Blues from Pitt, Patience from Detroit, November Rain from the entire 2002 tour.....I was not impressed by Finck. Frankly, I don't believe Axl can go forward with Finck and Fortus on leads.

Thanks for helping me out killingvector :beer:

I don't know, he just doesn't do it for me, and I like alot of really good guitar players from different genres, Dimebag, Zakk Wylde, Pepper Keenan, Dave Mustaine, Slash, Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, Jerry Cantrell, Jimmy Page, Buckethead, Kid Rock, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Kirk Hammett, James Hetfeild, Mick Mars, CC Devill, John Lennon, Randy Rhodes, Prince, Joe Perry, Joe Satrianni, Jeff Beck, Jeff Martin, Tom Petty, Wes Borland, Peter Frampton, just to name some.

Anyway, what I'm gettin at is Finck doesn't really compare to these guys, first of all the only thing he has really done is play other peoples songs as a live musician, I haven't heard anything he has written for sure, (we don't know what the credits are on the "new" songs) and on the 2002 tour he butchered most of the old solos he played, even nesquick agreed to that. To me his track record ain't so hot. I don't see how people say he is so awesome. Just cause he plays for GnR and he is freinds with Axl? Come on! That doesn't mean he is good.  Show me something good he has written (and it can't be the blues or Maddy or CD or IRS or Rhyad cause we don't know who wrote them yet) or something really impressive that he has done live. I dare ya.

I'm pretty sure Robin wrote The Blues solo... At least that's what his webmaster told us once.

Finck is an awesome guitar player. I know what I'm talkin' about... Yeah, he fucked up this solo in Pittsburgh, so what? Slash fucked up some solos too. His work on the new songs are the best guitar work of them all, IMO. A lot better than anything current, including VR.

BTW, Wes Borland sucks big time.

Neemo, thats quite a list of guitar players you got there(only a couple sucked). But how could you forget Kim Thayil from Soundgarden? That guy is a fuckin genius!!

ok you named some guitar players, but you don`t know how they would sound if they had to play in gnr as robin does.....

i think robin is a great guitar player and i really appreciate that he`s the new lead player in gnr. i believe that we`ll hear some cool work from him on CD. at the moment we don`t know what he wrote for the new songs exactly, but i think it`s almost sure that he wrote the solo for CD for example and it`s great imo. the problem is that he doesn`t play in slash`s style like many people here want him to.

why is robin fink not fitting the gnr style?  cause he can bend a string and hit the correct pitch?

The opposite, my friend. Anyone who thinks that Finck doesn't suck doesn't know anything about guitar playing.

Let me get this straight, you like Cobain, Kid Rock,  and Borland (just to name a few on that list) yet you dont like finck? Finck is MUCH MUCH better than all three of them especially that hack Kurt Cobain.  As for Finck buthering the songs, its live and shit happens. That is just his style, and sometimes he bends notes too far.  Finck can play the songs perfect if he  wanted to just look at SCOM.  Also read the reviews, most said you could close your eyes and not tell the difference between the old and new band.   Slash played very sloppy a lot of the time on tour with gnr or did some of you forgot that?

The fallacy that a lot of you people that bash finck do its compare fincks live playing with the studio playing of slash or any other guitar player. 

As for what Finck wrote, we know he wrote the blues since his web master said that he did.

I'm pretty sure I know something about guitar AND I think Finck rocks. I've recorded The Blues (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=20457.0) and I was even more excited about Finck's work. You know, he's not a cliche factory...
I think you don't like the guy because his style is too far from Slash. But I think that's why Axl wanted Robin... And you guys underestimate Axl's point here. He wouldn't call Robin to join GNR TWO times if he just sucks, as you (and the ones who thinks that you need to understand something about guitar to like/dislike some player) like to claim. :P

But Slash also played brilliantly. Since this band is new, the fans need to hear the same brilliance that was once offered to them; frankly Finck hasn't demonstrated that he is a consistantly above average player. I understand that he is playing the old stuff, songs he didn't write, but often times when listening to selected boots and SBs from the 2002 tour, I cringed. SBs expose alot of problems; Finck even fell behind the tempo on songs whose solos he wrote. I just don't understand why he does this. After all, he is a professional.

I haven't heard enough from anyone to from opinions on their talents involving writing something memorable.. I do know rio 3 was one of the worst shows muscially I had ever heard but then again they were just starting out..

I think you mean "can't" bend a string or hit the correct pitch.

improvise is one thing.... out of key is totally different.

Whatever, I really love his floppy effect in combination with BH's solidness on GN'R.

a cliche factory.. :rofl:
You tell'em. Voodoochild. A talented one can tell about the talent. :yes:

Trent would difinitely nod yes to you too. :yes:

Thanks ppbebe.. I'm not that good, but I do like what you said. :hihi:

Oh, BTW: listen to some of Robin's work in the Ghost Of Mars soundtrack. Buckethead worked with him int the track Love Siege along with the guys from Anthrax... Really great guitar sounds - and it's not annoying like some instrumental tracks out there! : ok:

Thats the best fuckin version of the blues Ive ever heard, I wish I knew where to find the whole thing.? :peace:

I've just discovered something there: Brain drums playing is absolutely monstruous :o
There is some John Bonham in that guy...?

I told you so! :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Nes, Try the RIR version of Oh My God. it may change your opinion on the song.

The rhythm section is helluva important!

the fact that Brain may be great on "oh my god" at RIR (and I'm sure he is) doesn't change the fact? that the song itself is bad (for me). This is not with songs in the style of? "oh my god" that Axl will be successfull again and will sell records. I prefer to be fair in my judgment. Hoppefully it seems the album will be more "conventional" thanks to Roy Thomas Backer production (epic/classic-rock producer- the guy works with Queen).  It means "Chinese Democracy" could be a more Classic-Rock oriented record than we think (with some modern touch). But obviously, as soon as I haven't heard the record, I don't want to speak too much about it because...I just don't know anything. Like all of us.
 :)

Actually I never really cared for Soundgarden, I don't like Corn-hole. but they do have some ok tunes.

I forgot a few guitarists, Eddie Van Halen for Instance. I can't believe he isn't on the list.

I didn't know that he wrote the blues since I don't EVER go to his website. cudos to him, he is partially forgiven :)

As far as I recall I said that Mr. Brownstone was magnificent and I could close my eyes and it was like listening to the record. I didn't ge back to check but I think that's what I said :nervous:. Besides the 2002 show I saw was the best show I've ever seen. More for the fact of Axl's brilliance than anything else.

Robin hasn't done much but live playing that's the problem. And how fucked up was slash when he screwed up? I've never heeard him mess up a song live, but I'm not saying it hasn't happened. And there is no way you can say Finck is in Slash's league. Slash is far superior.

again against kid rock, borland and cobain. those guy have wrote some pretty cool stuff, Cobain helped change the face of rock, he had a hand in dethroning GnR from the top of the rock'n'roll hill how can you say he sucked? Borland writes some pretty funky cool stuff and Kid Rock's guitar is a throwback to southern rock.  What has Finck done? he was a live musician for NIN, Hurt is a pretty complicated song on guitar I guess  :rofl: [read with way to much sarcasm btw] and he played some music written by Slash and Izzy in 2002, oh yeah he was in Cirque du Soleil. Not very Impressive record compared to the three guys I was just talkin' about. of course music is always subjective, I'm just giving my POV. :beer:

He fucked up Patience at every 2001-2002 show I've heard. Vegas 2000, RIR3, Ohio, NY, London-canada (My buddy went to this one), Ont, Pittsburgh, Albany, and the one I went to Toronto.

I happen to think he is very talented, some of his stuff is very new and different, his style is his own though, that's for sure, you either like him or hate him I guess

If you CAN'T bend a string or hit the correct pitch you shouldn't try! Do you know what I mean? that is a sign that you aren't that good ;D

Sorry for all the posts btw, I'm just getting back from a long weekend trip to see my parents


Maybe Robin does just what Axl says and thats why Axl likes him :hihi:

Just cause Axl likes him doesn't mean I have to.  :P You are right maybe he just isn't my type of guitar player.

I will check out the Ghost of Mars ST. any suggestions in particular?

IF you never heard slash fuck up playing live then you must not have heard a lot of bootlegs from gnr. Because slash fucked up a lot and he wrote the songs.
 
Robin plays fine live, but people like you are still pissed that slash is in the  band and will never give robin credit.
Like I said robin is better than kid rock, cobain and borland just to name a few, yet you love those guys.

And cobain didnt dethrone gnr from the top of the rock world, that is just mtv rewriting history. Nirvana at no point was ever bigger than gnr. Just look at 1992 when people say nirvana was bigger. Who headlined the mtv music awards? It was gnr. Who sold more albums? Gnr did. Who played in front of more people? Gnr.

Also if Finck sucked do you really think that two genuis's like Axl and Trent would want and fight over Robin being in their band?  Also what has slash done since leaving gnr? Nothing really. His solo stuff was poor and his guitar work with VR is not very good either, its rather boring. Id take robins blues solo over any solo slash did in VR.

Actually, I haven't heard much bootlegs from the "OLD" GnR you are right. I watched the Pais PPV live, I've seen Ritz, I've seen CBGB's, I have a 3CD bootleg from the UYI tour and the Unplugged bootleg, and miscellaneous stuff here and there and Award shows and special appearances on TV. And again I said I am not saying Slash never fucked up, I've just never heard him fuck up.? (besides as fucked up on drugs and booze as he was back then I'm surprised he could stand up let alone play guitar, ever try to play guitar when you are drunk? It's fucking hard man, I tried once and I couldn't do shit)

If you think that Robin is better than the guys I mentioned then good for you, music is subjective, but I never said I love those guys, I, myself, just think they are better than Robin. But you still haven't told me something fantastic and incredible Robin has done ;) And if Robin is sooooo awesome why all the rumors about a new guitarist? Why bring Bucket in in the first place if Robin kicks so much ass?

With the birth of grunge we saw the fall of the Hair bands. whether or not MTV brought it about it doesn't change the fact that after '93 you don't see that kind of band in the limelight anymore. hence Nirvana HELPED dethrone bands like GnR.

And don't presume to know too much about me, I am not pissed that Slash is gone, I remember the day when heard he left, it was a long fucking time ago, do you think that I would worry about something that happened a dozen years ago to people I don't know? I'm not that obsessed, I do however think the first Snakepit album is pretty good (Not the best album ever, but worthi listening to once in a while). I also enjoy VR, I used to like STP and think that Scott has stepped into a new band very well, as for Slash and Duff, it's good to see them in the spotlight again. And they are Awesome live dude (not as good as GnR when I saw them, but good)

Ya know it's really hard to get my point across I guess.? GnR was incredible in 2002, OK, but, to me Robin seemed kinda lost up there,the old tunes just aren't for him maybe I don't know but I didn't think he was that good when he played solos (his rhythm was alright but he just seemed...sloppy, i guess, like he was fighting his guitar to play solos, ya know, did you see them in 2002? Where and what did you think of his playing? was it spotless?

And as far as taking his ONE solo over anything VR, whatever turns your crank man, I like listen to more than one song (and I stopped listening to the new songs with any regularity like 3 years ago). If and when GnR decide to release anything then I'll listen to it for a while. or maybe I'll get in the mood to listen to GnR for a week or two, but, for me the same songs over and over and over and over again is fucking boring.

Now I have a question for you:

Are you just pissed that Slash doesn't play with Axl anymore and that's why you don't like anything new that he does?