Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I wanted to ask is there any truth to the fact that axl called this his heaviest song he has written during an interview in the earlier 90''s, and if so if it's like 12-13 years old has anyone from the old lineup worked on any of it??\

If it didn't happen then just lock this.. thanks

I don't know about truth, but I read several stories in a few rock magazines around the time of the release of TSI and after (1993-1994) that Axl was quoted as saying that he'd written and recorded (on his own I assume) This I Love, which was the "heaviest thing he'd ever written". Of course whether or not it was made up remains to be seen.

thanks.. If so do you think he just wrote the song but had no music to it?? Maybe it was his next novemeber rain type song and didn't get anyone else involved, but would have eventually if they stayed together??

Isn't this the song often referred to as the Holy Grail??

Well I can't remember exactly what Axl was quoted as saying, and I don't have any of those magazines unfortunately, but I think it was implied as "heavy" as in an emotional sense like Estranged and November Rain are. And there was no mention of whether the rest of the band had worked on it.

Nevertheless, it'll be interesting to see if it turns up in some form or another, if even at all.

i don`t think it`ll appear on chinese democracy since it`s to old and was written at the time of the old band, but we`ll see (hopefully). It should appear on a soundtrack of some movie around 2000 i think, but the director or someone didn`t like it.  Someone who worked in the film crew described it as a simple piano track(only piano?).

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=18900.0

There's a post about the song

 Is anyone still looking forward to this song being on CD? After reading various threads at several different forums, I'm not too enthused about it. Although I haven't heard it, I hope it doesn't make the final cut. When you consider the fact that the song was rejected for a lame movie soundtrack, it must not have much potential.  Wouldn't the Producer/Director have wanted basically any new GNR song to bring attention to their movie? But they flat out rejected it! Think about it! Oh My God was put on a soundtrack, yet this song couldn't make it on to one. Do you really think this song has an epic "earth shattering" capability knowing its a soundtrack reject?

Maybe the song didnt fit the mood or scene of the movie, Oh My God is perfect for End Of Days : ok:

Clintron, you do have a point. But putting ANY Guns song on the soundtrack would have given the film major publicity. Droves of people would have watched the film and bought the soundtrack just for this one song. Considering that it was rejected for a crappy film, I do NOT have high hopes for this song. If Axl's "mindblowing" epic is a low grade Robin Williams film reject, I can see why years are being spent doing "finishing touches".

I'm sure if you look back then there will be scores of songs that were rejected by films that became huge hits. Just because this i love wasn't on the film doesnt mean anything whatsoever.

2nafish, SCORES of songs rejected by films that became huge hits! Please name one??

The Music Supervisor who put the soundtrack together included it on the soundtrack when she submitted it to the Director (Vincent Ward - I think). The director rejected it and the Music Supervisor (Dawn Soler) was very unhappy with him claiming that he just "didn't get it".

The song was rejected by a producer rather than someone who specialises in putting a soundtrack together. Dawn Soler still claims that it was a great track and should have made the soundtrack but that the director was "a pill".

So Gigger, in other words, I guess we should all form a lynch mob and track down Vincent Ward. LMAO!!

Nice try, but you're probably wrong. Considering that the soundtrack for What Dreams May Come is entirely instrumentals, the rejection likely had more to do with the appropriateness of including a rock song (even a November Rain type ballad) rather than the song being of shitty quality. I'll also point out that Wojciech Kilar, one of the most accomplished composers in classical music, wrote the original theme for What Dreams May Come but it was rejected for being too dramatic. I guess that must mean his work sucks too, right?

The reality of the situation is that you don't know what you're talking about - no one does except for the people directly involved. It does nothing but open up a can of worms to try and speculate. Lose your illusions.....

Believe it or not these things are not usually publicized.

Do you actually doubt that this has happened?

I suggested that a few months ago - no one listened.  ;D

2NaFish, I know a shitload of songs have been rejected for movies. Its only logical. I'm questioning your statement about those rejects becoming hits. I've tried thinking of one but I cant. So please tell me at least one of these 'film reject turned into radio hits'.

Not everyone makes a film for it to be huge.  Some people just make films that are nice and flow evenly.   If the song didn't fit the film, it obviously shouldn't have gone on just to attract hype.

It's called artistic integrity.

You got me. Off of the top of my head i can not name one song that was rejected for a movie and then went on to be a huge hit.

However, there are several artists who regularly put work forward for movies (the bee gees, queen etc). I'm absolutely certain they will have had songs turned down, which then went on to be hits. Not due to them being poor songs but because they didnt fit. The simple fact is we don't often find out what songs have been rejected from what movie.

Anyway, your point was that since it was turned down for a film it was going to be crap. Which is simply not true in any way whatsoever.

2naFish, you make some good points, but I still disagree. When a film is made, there is more people up the chain of command besides the Director. There's the Producer, the company behind the film, and all the various investors. Someone in this group should have seen the potential of having this song included. There is a specific reason for the song not being included, and it isn't just the fact that the director wasn't interested. Some of these other people could have talked him into it, especially since the song itself would have been an excellent marketing tool. So what if the song didnt fit with the film, play it when the credits roll! The logic behind not including it doesn't make sense. Only positive things could have happened by the song being used. The movie would've been hyped just for the inclusion of GNR. Instead, it wound up being a film that few people watched and hardly no one remembers it. In fact, it will only be remembered by hardcore Robin Williams fans and people who remember it for the fact that it passed up a chance to use an Axl song after years of silence. By the way, I'm also surprised that the song didn't leak.

heaviest does he mean like metal type heavy

or emotionally heavy?

When Axl used the term 'heavy', I think he was referring to the lyrics, not the music. The song is supposed to be a ballad. Have you noticed how most new songs mentioned are usually thought to be ballads? Isn't 'Catcher in the Rye' supposed to be a ballad? When the official tracklist comes out, we should all make bets on how many ballads it has.

Axl likes those tear-jerkers. They bring in the babes man.

Well, it's been a slow night on the board tonight, so I got reading this thread again and thought Id bring it back from the dead to see what people still predict will come of this song...

The whole situation is rather ironic when you think about it...

I mean "the heaviest song" Axl has written didn't even make the soundtrack cut for the movie "What Dreams May Come" which sucked beyond belief, while Oh My God found a home on the Arnold Schwarzeneger movie, "End of Days" which similarily sucked beyond belief...

If we could go back in time, and had this song made the soundtrack, the whole timeline of Gn'R up to this point would have been drawn into question.

Put it this way...if the song became a huge success, Oh My God never would have surfaced, but what would have in it's place?

Chinese Democracy? An EP?

What do you guys think the aftermath of this song could have been? :-\

if it was successfull i think CD wouldve come out.

off topic (stupid question really) what does LP and EP stand for?

EP stands for extended play. Basically too long to be a single and too short to be an album.

LP stands for long play I think, and refers to vinyl?

Great post, and a great question. I think things now would be entirely different had Oh My God never been released. There's a thread somewhere around here from like a year ago where me and Mikegiuliana were talking about that. Oh My God obviously was a few steps backward for the band. Two albums were mentioned that year, and after the horrible reception Oh My God received, we got nothing. If This I Love had came out(and was a good song), Axl would have been more comfortable releasing the album(or albums). Right now, we would probably be waiting for album number 3.

true a great song would have hlped their early success.... Who knows thought 1) the movie was awfull 2) the band has changed big time since oh my god came out 3) the time period for music was different (kind of limp kid rock manson shit) 4) Maybe that song wouldn't have fit end of days..

It's all guessing, either way after the vmas maddy should had been a single and he could have introduced it there

Despite how long ago this song was allegedly written, I think it would be awesome if it surfaced on one of Axl's new albums after all these years...

A few years ago when Tommy said he was back in the studio listening to some mixes, and he refered to a few of the tracks as "mindblowingly good" which lead me to instantly believe one of them could now be a reworked version of This I Love...

But then again, maybe this song is from a time in Axl's life from which he's now lost interest in writing about, and thus it's destined for nothing more than to rot in his vault of gems... :-\