Here Today... Gone To Hell!

 When Axl and Izzy performed with Tom Petty in the surprise finale at the 1989 VMA's, alot of people were blown away. Myself included. Alot of people were talking about it at my high school. Axl doing a song with Petty was a complete surprise. Petty's 'Full Moon Fever album had just been released. I called Payless Drug Store(they sold CDs) and asked if Axl appeared on this album. They said yes. I then called the Wherehouse and asked the same question. They also said yes. So I went an bought the album, and as we all know now, Axl wasn't on it. I was VERY pissed! I have a couple of questions about this. Did Axl do the VMA's with Tom Petty to boost his album sales? Free Fallin was not yet a single, so people wouldn't yet know that Axl wasn't on it. The single at that time was 'I wont back down'. Did the record company misinform music stores about Axl appearing on Full Moon Fever? Did anyone else here have a similar experience when inquiring about or actually buying the album?

I just thought Axl did it because GnR were big then, Tom had his album out, and the VMA's came a callin. I never inquired about the album, though. I remember it well, Arsenio Hall introduced them, and didn't seem too thrilled about it.I thought it was great, and the audience really cheered when Axl came out.

Fuck Arsenio,  he was prolly still pissed about 1 in a million.  Prolly the part when they ripped on fags cause well he is a fag.  lol

blasphemer, you can hate Arsenio all you want, but he isn't a fag. I remember on his talk show back in late 92/early 93 he had actress Halle Berry on his show. He told her she was the most beautiful woman that had ever walked the earth. Through the whole segment he just kept going on and on about how sexy she was. I kinda felt sorry for her. She couldn't talk about the movie she was doing because he kept discussing her looks. You should have seen the look on his face and the look in his eyes. Its like he wanted to rip her clothes off right then and there! Not only is he not a fag, he has great taste in women!!

omg wtf.  You cant take a joke for what its worth.   I know hes not gay, the song one in a million rips on black people and gays.  Im actually sure he was mad about the black rip cause hes black. So I said he was mad at the fag mention instead as a joke.  Next time read between the lines


Also when guys dont like certain other guys they sometimes call them fags even though there not.
So yes, Arsenio is the biggest fag of them all.

I still remember the priceless looks Tom gave Axl when Axl was singing a full 3 octave screech over the chorus. ?Frreeeeee Frreeee Fallliinnn!!! :hihi:

Yeah that was great because Axl made Tom look like a little bitch.

Yea it was funny.  I coulda have sworn that Axl was wasted.  Good times.

i always thought axl did it because he really loved the song. he performed it live with petty a few others times i think.

Doubting there was any record company conspiracy going on...

Then why were record stores implying that Axl appeared on the album? Did anyone else buy it thinking Axl was on it? When I heard Axl was gonna be on Don Henley's album i called the record store and asked them, and they said yes. He was on that album. So why would they give out disinformation about Axl/Tom Petty?

yeah it happened the same exact thing to me......but i wasn't really pissed because I liked the album it is a good record........yer so bad,free fallin,a face in the crowd attention kmart shoppers!!!!

what a fucking stupid ass comment, Tom Petty is a badass songwriter and is a legend, if anyone looked like a bitch, it was Axl, who was so blatant in his attempt to have his voice heard over Tom's. I personally loved it though, two of my fav artists singinga kick ass tune together, Axl in his prime baby!

in Paris Steven Tyler made Axl look like a bitch though, U couldnt make out a word he said before Steven.

snakepiter, you're right, its a damn good album. 'Face In The Crowd' is one of Tom's best songs. But I was pissed because I was told Axl was on the album by people who are supposed to know those types of things. Dont work in a record store if you dont know information about albums. Back then, you depended on information from people like that. We didnt have the internet back then, so you couldnt find the answer for yourself in 5 seconds.

I am about 99% certain that Axl did it because Erin loved the song. I think I read this in a Petty interview at the time. Axl called up Petty when he found out he was performing and ask him if he could join because his girlfriend/wife(?) really liked it. :peace: ps easily one of my favorite Axl performances of all time, when Petty points to Axl and? says "and all the bad boys  are standing in the shadows and the good girls are home with broken hearts" then Axl smiles, it was a classic moment for us Axlites.

Who knows, I just find it hard to believe that Tom's label would go to the trouble of having certain employees at selected music outlets go out of their way to misinform customers about a guest spot.  Being the letigious type Axl is, a safe bet would say we would of heard something if this was indeed the case.

Maybe we should call Oliver Stone again, a possible non-collaboration conspiracy abounds..

I never once heard that Axl was on that album. What are  you talking about?

If you mean Henley,
"I Will Not Go Quietly"
Is Don and Axl.

Splash

/Mike

You could have checked the liner notes when you bought the cd instead of listening to some minimum wage store clerk. ::)

 no body knew anything if axl sang or not...they just supposed...

Kitano, you're such a smartass. Of course I checked the notes when I bought it.

And todays lesson is, check before you buy.   ;D

Yeah man that was awesome when Axl made tom pity look like a total dumbass bitch that he is.

 Did anyone else here have a similar experience when inquiring about or actually buying the album?

Well I had a bad experience buying a Kid ROck album, is not similar but it was bad...

I thought the History of Rock (Kid Rocks album) had good metal on it... but it sucks... its a crap!!!

How many times do you check liner notes before you buy cd's? And how do you go about doing that anyway besides looking at someone else's copy...when you could just listen to it then.  Don't try to school people about things on the internet...it makes you look like an asshole.

I thought Axl performed with him live for the awards show performance, not that he was ever going to be on Tom Petty's album.  I never heard that back then.

Was that the same performance where afterward Vince Neil attacked Izzy Stradlin?

Yes because it was mtv's performance and there was only one...

But looking back on this performance, it was false advertising. 'I wont back down' was the single that Tom was using to promote the album. By having Axl perform Free Fallin, a song that wasn't a single yet, made people think that Axl was on the album. And I guarantee it helped album sales. Most people at awards shows perform a song that is a single/video. So Axl and Tom should have performed 'I wont back down'. But by singing a yet to be released single, people thought Axl was on the album. It was around this same time that Axl was on Don Henley's album, so it wasn't far fetched to think Axl would also be on this album as well. I'm not dissing Tom Petty. I love alot of his music. I just think it was a shitty marketing gimmick. Let's say there's an awards show tommorow. At this show Axl performs a duet with Mick Jagger. The Mick Jagger single is released the day after the duet is performed. But there's no info about who appears on it. Wouldn't you buy it out of curiosity?

If you're buying an album just because an artist you like appears on one song then you probably shouldn't be buying it.  If you're a Tom Petty fan then it doesn't matter cause you got a really good album for your money whether Axl appeared on it or not.  If you can't stand Tom Petty and you're just buying it cause Axl might be on one song then its probably not worth your investment.

Rob, you're missing the point entirely.

Fuck yeah that was amazing!

I didn't know Erin liked so much though. I've always thought they performed Free Falling because it suited Axl lyrically. "and I'm a bad boy...cause i don't even miss her...". Axl was the bad boy of rock then, that song just felt right. The performance, the Axl screams, the Axl-moves, the lyrics...

Then what's the point there, buddy?

Rob, read the whole thread, specifically, my posts. If you still dont get the point, then just move on to a different thread. Maybe something easily understood in Dead Horse. LMAO!

I can see what you are saying because Free Falling wasn't the single,  me myself never thought that but still considering Tom Petty did have Stevie Nicks with Stop Dragging my Heart around, I could see people thinking that about Axl performing with him.

yea i remember that i think i read it some rock magazine  was pissed when axl was not
on it . great album though

I cant believe this is still going on. There was no scam.

No, I've read this entire thread already...even your posts.  Doesn't seem like there was some big scam going on.  You get weird groupings of artists at those award shows all the time.  If you were unsure you should have done a better job checking if Axl was on it or not.  I'm sure the pairing probably helped album sales somewhat, but that's due more to the fact that people were seeing Axl perform with Tom Petty and Axl was pretty much god at that point.  It also probably got a lot of younger people who might not've know much about Tom Petty into his music.  But to think Axl was on the album is just jumping to a conclusion without any real evidence.  Maybe you're the one who should be looking for stuff that's easier to understand?

Yes, Rob, you see; the point is that jameslofton29 is some sort of paranoid lunatic, I believe. It seems that every time he's made a mistaken assumption or misunderstood a simple store-deposit policy it was actually not his fault, but the result of an industry-wide "scam" designed to dupe poor, misguided fools out of their hard earned cash. On top of which, he's being denied CD because Axl is waiting for him to figure out the magical release code. You, Rob, should really pay more attention to jameslofton29's posts, he's a real-time visionary fan, donchaknow.

Someone had to say it.

Hmmm.......Or, he's just another walking self-contra-dictionary.


I see a film for a soundtrack supposed to be on it and often can't hear it. Is this similar?

Why are some of you putting me down for this thread? I think I do a pretty damn god job at coming up with threads that have issues people like to discuss. I dont keep on bringing up the same shit over and over again like some people do. My threads very rarely get stomped by the Dead Horse. So just lighten up!!

corky from life goes on made this same mistake about axl rose and the tom petty cd.  he thought axl would be on.  then when he found out axl was not on it he ate the cd.