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Title: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Cold Heartbreaker on October 27, 2004, 08:54:28 PM
hi, im lookin for a clear picture of the whole tattoo axl has on his left arm. the yellow with a diagonal red line on a shield. you guys know what im talkin about? i really need that....im gettin tattooed :) heheh

oh btw, hi :) some of you might remember me ;) ive been busy....trainin for deployment :) thats why i need it ;)



Cold Heartbreaker


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: SOH on October 27, 2004, 08:58:02 PM
(http://www.mygnr.com/images/axls_tatoos/axl_tatoo_2.jpg)


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Cold Heartbreaker on October 27, 2004, 09:02:24 PM
sweet dude! thanks a whole bunch....thats clearer.


not to sound ungrateful or anything but if there is one that shows the whole tat that would be fuckin cool.

that reminds me, how come i have more than one picture that shows all the other tattoos completely except this one. heheh :) :P

thanks though i appreciate it. ill try to work with it


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: SOH on October 27, 2004, 09:26:20 PM
I'm not sure of it existing in a better format, on the Internet anyway.


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: mega_music on October 27, 2004, 10:08:07 PM
Anyone have a clear up close pic of the Rocket Queen Tat?? I would love to get it on my shoulder.


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Will on October 27, 2004, 11:37:46 PM
Try my site man... ;) http://www.gnrfrance.net/GNR/Photos/axl/gchin/07.jpg [reply to original request]

Since I'm extremely nice, ;D, I'm also posting a cropped version of the original scan I just uploaded:

(http://gnrfrance.net/Divers/tatooaxl.jpg)


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Will on October 27, 2004, 11:47:55 PM
The Rocket Queen tat is very hard to find on a clear shot. Here's the best I could find (check the same pic as in my post above for the entire shot):

(http://gnrfrance.net/Divers/tatooaxl2.jpg)

(http://gnrfrance.net/Divers/tatooaxl3.jpg)



Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: mega_music on October 28, 2004, 05:58:13 PM
Will, Kick Ass!! Thanks I appreciate it


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Cold Heartbreaker on October 28, 2004, 10:43:10 PM
well after some extensive research, i found the site that the tattoo comes from with all the history behind it.

go here for the picture and history: http://www.3ad.org/32ar/

(http://www.3ad.org/32ar/images/32ar.gif)

VICTORY OR DEATH

32nd Armored Reg, 3rd Armored Div US Army ;)

Cold Heartbreaker


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Will on October 29, 2004, 09:50:44 AM
That's cool, I actually learned something today! ;) Thanks!


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Will on October 29, 2004, 09:59:51 AM
The Rocket Queen tat is very hard to find on a clear shot.

And I just found out it doesn't say Rocket Queen, but Rocker, like that Hollywood Rose song!


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Cold Heartbreaker on October 29, 2004, 10:17:45 AM
The Rocket Queen tat is very hard to find on a clear shot.

And I just found out it doesn't say Rocket Queen, but Rocker, like that Hollywood Rose song!

hey thats a kick ass song :) hehhe

you know who we are, we know who u are.....rocker...lol :P


Cold Heartbreaker


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Will on October 29, 2004, 11:18:46 AM
WTF?

Axel Rose - well-known rock and roll artist with the group "Guns and Roses". Axel Rose is believed to have served in the 2-32 Armor at Ayers Kaserne, Kirchgoens, Germany in the early 1980's.  Mr. Rose has a prominent tattoo on his forearm of the 32d Armor Regiment Crest which is highly noticeable in photos of the entertainer. We have only been able acquire a few second hand accounts of Axel's service, anyone who would have more information, we would appreciate it being passed on.

http://www.3ad.org/32ar/notable.htm#Axel%20Rose

We know Axl was in L.A from 1982 (according to Tracii's story)...has anyone heard about this before??


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: discobiscuit1 on October 29, 2004, 12:15:42 PM
considering they cant even spell his name correctly I doubt they know shit. Chances are a bored GNR trainspotter with too much time on there hands (99% of this board :) has fed these guys some false info.


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Justis on October 29, 2004, 12:33:15 PM
WTF?

Axel Rose - well-known rock and roll artist with the group "Guns and Roses". Axel Rose is believed to have served in the 2-32 Armor at Ayers Kaserne, Kirchgoens, Germany in the early 1980's.  Mr. Rose has a prominent tattoo on his forearm of the 32d Armor Regiment Crest which is highly noticeable in photos of the entertainer. We have only been able acquire a few second hand accounts of Axel's service, anyone who would have more information, we would appreciate it being passed on.

http://www.3ad.org/32ar/notable.htm#Axel%20Rose

We know Axl was in L.A from 1982 (according to Tracii's story)...has anyone heard about this before??

Yes in an off hand way. This is a question Duff, Slash, Steve, or Izzy COULD answer, how about you MYSTERON want to take a crack at it, I would be very interested in where this trail leads us.


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Eugene Klein on October 29, 2004, 01:34:19 PM
Cool info about the tatoo. I highly doubt the rumour about Axl serving for the armored divisions is true.


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Guns N RockMusic on June 11, 2005, 01:43:18 AM
This is going to appear to a dumb question to most of you, but I have to inquire about it.  Last year I was talking to a Captain in my Army unit and he said that he gave Slash a ride around 1987-88 after he was left behind at a small gig.  He says that Slash told him that Axl was in the Army as a Mechanic and stationed somewhere in Germany.  This story became even more confusing when a Sergeant of mine said he met people who were mechanics with Bill Bailey in the early 80s.  I've been looking for a year now tring to find any information to suggest this, but everything I've read says that he dropped out of high school, dicked around for a while and went to LA to hook up with Izzy.  Izzy did graduate from High School but Axl didn't and they both would have been around 20 when Hollywood Rose was formed in 1982.  This does leave about a 2 year window where Axl could have been in the Army and Axl does have an Army Unit tattoo on his left shoulder that is a unit based in Germany.  If anyone has ever heard anything similar or has evidence to the contrary, please provide it. 


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Dust N Rose on June 11, 2005, 07:13:39 AM
Guns ...  :yes:

Good hypothesis. Although, the press would know it first. He could be 18-22 then. Isn't the army consisted of mercenaries in America? I mean America doesn't have an obliging  national service, right?


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: IndiannaRose on June 11, 2005, 07:53:20 AM
Although, we have seen a few pictures of Axl from 1983 (Rapidfire shots) and he has pretty long hair. Wouldn't he have to shave it in order to join the army? How could his hair grow that fast so quickly?

Hmm......


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on June 11, 2005, 08:25:29 AM
Guns ...? :yes:

Good hypothesis. Although, the press would know it first. He could be 18-22 then. Isn't the army consisted of mercenaries in America? I mean America doesn't have an obliging? national service, right?


   Sorry to disappoint you, but to join any branch of the United States' military is completely voluntary.  Yes, recruitment's a little tougher right now, but post-9/11 it spiked up.  Personally, I have to think the polls are showing waning support for the Iraq war here in the U.S.  Mercenaries, I think not.   :rofl:  They're probably too expensive.  :)

  I like this topic.  I didn't know Axl had a military tattoo.  I'd love to learn the real story behind his 18th to 20th year...I don't think there's any possible way Axl was in the military.  He probably just liked the tattoo.


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Guns N RockMusic on June 11, 2005, 10:00:37 AM
Granted Axl does have long hair in photos from 1983, but let's just say hypothetically, Axl enlisted in the Army when he was 17 (the minimum age in the USA).  He could have done a two or maybe 3 year enlistement which would have put him out of the service in either 1981 or early 1982.  If the photos we have are from 1983, then Axl would have had over a year to grow his hair out.  Since I've never had long hair I don't know how long it would take to get to that length, but I'm sure if he got out of the Army in 1981 he would have had plenty of time to really let it grow out.
 
The US military is not a mercenary system, although there is a valid correlation.  Mercenaries are soldiers for hire and as America has a volunteer Army, people do join for a paycheck.  However, this paycheck is between 16,000 - 20,000 a year for all privates and corporals (which make up the greatest portion of the Army).  Hardly can someone argue that people join the military for the awesome pay and benefits they receive.  People join the Army for two reasons, to serve and protect America or to obtain college money.  I reserve the term mercenary for truly dangerous and well trained combatants, not some guy changing tank treads.


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on June 11, 2005, 05:00:12 PM
Guns n Rock Music is right, but I think there's a 3rd reason (in addition to the patriotism and money for college) young adults join the military...discipline.  Alot of these kids come from broken or dysfunctional homes and need order and discipline.   :peace:

Again, I also find it hard to believe that Axl was in the military, just my 2 cents.


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Izzy on June 11, 2005, 05:03:11 PM
Lol - just when i thought i'd read it all

If Axl had been in the army don't u think we'd have heard about it by now - hell, he'd have talked about and/or written a song on it?


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: jameslofton29 on June 11, 2005, 05:22:51 PM
I dont really believe this army story either. But its possible. Maybe he was in some Special Forces Unit. Maybe he had some sort of skill that they needed. If you're in Special Ops, you can grow your hair long. If he was in some special unit, maybe thats why we haven't heard about it all these years. Classified information. Maybe thats why we have to keep waiting for CD. Axl was severely traumatized by some secret military operation. LMAO!!


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: gabble on June 11, 2005, 07:35:00 PM
I do believe Axl stated the tattoo was a tribute to some adventure he had undertaken--skydiving, free-falling, rock-climbing, or something of a similar nature.


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Justis on June 12, 2005, 02:25:33 PM
Personally I do not think this is anymore ridiculous than the rest of the silence. If it were definitely not true plenty of people would have let you know.


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: *Izzy* on June 12, 2005, 02:55:57 PM
(http://www.tattoos-by-design.co.uk/Celebrities/images/axl2.jpg)

I think this army business is BS

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Saul on June 12, 2005, 03:19:58 PM
axl had no tats prior to moving to LA. He only got tats at the start to , in his own words "stop looking so much like a fucking chick!" ... I'm guessing he got the victory tat because it not only looks cool but is kinda a "male" type tat.

That said , the rocker tat IMHO is fugly , I never liked that tat. The rest are cool , especially the AFD cross and "woman" and also his new bracelet of skulls!!

And , does anyone else remember when slash got his D.T.U.D tat done .. man , the pics of that tatoo session were in every rock mag going back in the day. Slash looks so sloshed in those pics. lol

Moreover , since we are talking tat's .. I was reading an old article just the other day written while GNR were touring the new UYI songs but before UYI were released (even their PR person couldnt name the 1st song they played that night the writer observed.) anyways , describing "new" member Dizzy Reed the guy says "Dizzy looks very out of place and alone on the stage with his keyboard and conga drums and one must wonder if he jumped the gun with his new gnr tatoo , as you have to wonder just how long he will be in the band"

Hahahah , little did that guy know that dizzy would outlast slash , izzy , duff and matt and now is the longest serving member behind axl!!! I thought that was kinda funny.


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Butch Français on June 12, 2005, 03:51:43 PM
Izzy moved out to LA around 1980, when he graduated from high school.
but Axl didn't move out there til December 1982.
the army thing might explain why he didn't move when Izzy did.
he dropped out of high school when he was about 17 (I think), so that leaves 3+ years that we don't know anything about.
about him not having any tattoos before moving to LA, maybe he got this one later on..
the reasons he hasn't mentioned it can be many...he could have gotten kicked out, and doesn't wanna talk about it because of that, or several other things.
and I don't think you have to shave your head to be in the army, it can't go over the collar of the shirt though (that's how it was when I was in the army here).

it's not a big deal if he was in the army or not, it would explain a couple of things though! : ok:


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: C0ma on June 12, 2005, 05:10:08 PM
they shave your head first day of basic training...........

they get less strict once your are out of basic and your different specialized schooling but there isnt a branch of the US Militay that allows for hair anywhere near the collar.......... it's high and tight till you are out.


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: gabble on June 12, 2005, 06:43:19 PM
I can't find the quote about the VOD tattoo.? At any rate, I found another rumor about Axl supposedly being in the Army.

Quote
I had heard a rumor about Axl Rose from Guns and Roses being in 1-32 is this true? He does have a tattoo of the unit crest on his left arm. Thanks

Axel was with 2/32 in the early to mid 80's. Rumor has it that his real name was Bailey and that he achieved the rank of SGT. He was supposivly booted out of the service by his battalion commander. I have been told that Guns and Roses later offered to do a free concert at the Rock, but his old Battalion Commander was then the Brigade Commander and he did not feel Axel was the kind of role model he wanted to display in front of his men. I would love to know more of the story if any of you can tell it. What I have just stated has been told to me by 3 different people from that period. And yes, Axel does have a Victory or Death Crest tattooed on his arm.

http://www.3ad.org/guestbook/2001_guestbook_entries/guest_3ad_10_12_2001.htm


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Litti10 on June 13, 2005, 04:05:19 AM
I highly doubt that he was in the army let alone in germans army but hwo knows .ask him


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Butch Français on June 13, 2005, 05:22:38 AM
I highly doubt that he was in the army let alone in germans army but hwo knows .ask him

nobody's saying he was with the German army. but people speculate about him being stationed in Germany, but with the US army of course.


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: C0ma on June 13, 2005, 10:29:17 AM
I highly doubt that he was in the army let alone in germans army but hwo knows .ask him
After World War 2 the United States made Germany one of their largest foriegn outposts (maybe the largest) in the world.


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: Kitano on June 13, 2005, 01:28:24 PM
Every aspect of Axl's life has been disected by the media and fans at extreme length.? It's almost bordering on delusional to think that he could have been in the army for two years and no one knows about it.? His criminal record and issues with authority make this story even more unrealistic.


Title: Re: Axl's "Victory Or Death" Tattoo / Was Axl in the Army?
Post by: patience26 on June 13, 2005, 01:44:52 PM
Every aspect of Axl's life has been disected by the media and fans at extreme length.? It's almost bordering on delusional to think that he could have been in the army for two years and no one knows about it.? His criminal record and issues with authority make this story even more unrealistic.

You got a point!

Rock on  : ok: