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VELVET REVOLVER Drummer: 'We Need A Real Break' From Touring - June 10, 2005

VELVET REVOLVER drummer Matt Sorum has denied reports that the band has broken up following the announcent that they had scrapped the final five shows of their ongoing European tour.

The trek began June 3 in Germany and was scheduled to run through July 10, but will now close July 2 at the London edition of the Live 8 benefit, according to Billboard.com.

A spokesperson told the Associated Press the route was being changed to accommodate ''family obligations'' and ''pre-production work'' on the group's sophomore RCA album. She added that oft-troubled frontman Scott Weiland ''is not back on drugs.''

In an e-mail sent to Sp1at.com, Sorum said of the cancellation, "We did knock a week off the end [of the tour]. Everyone is tired. We never planned on touring Europe more than five weeks but management and the agents kept adding dates and before we know it, it was up to seven weeks and after completing an eight-week run in the States with only a three-day break, we need a real break. So that's the story, other than that all is good, just need a break and some rest."

Source: Blabbermouth.net

I was expecting one of the members to say this soon.

I can't really blame them though they have been going since before Contraband come out so no big suprise here.

I think they deserve a good break!

Remember Axl saying there was a tour planned without him knowing about it and it was laughed at?


Isn't this similar? VR cancels shows they never wanted to do, it was booked anyway and look what happens. The dates were cancelled....



/jarmo

Maybe I am the only one who gets the difference between vr pulling out after a 13 month tour in europe.. I see it this way new gnr has neevr gotten off the ground so any cancelled shows were a true disappointment, but with vr they have been to europe several times already ,they have played the states several times already so at least each person has pretty much had the chance to see them... But if you aren't aware you arem't aware.... See with axl it's just like you are awaiting his retunr and each time he seems ready something stupid happens so you sit there and sayyet another excuse... If things happened for new gnr consistently then a cancelation after over a year of touring wouldn't be a huge deal because you know they are going to play again... Something like rio 3 you know this is the first show since dec 2002, that was may 2003, it's now june 2005 so any missed show or tour is a real disappointment because axl might vanish for another 2 years..
To sum up my rant if vr pulls out IO know there is more to come, when new gnr pulls out you never know if you'll see them again....
People get mad with axl because he is very inconsistent and everything seems to fall through, vr keep you up to date on all matters, each band member speaks freely the way new gnr doesn't..

Is this the dangerous rock 'n' roll band??? Rock 'n' Fucking Roll... Yeah, 5 shows will make the difference... that's for sure.  ::) They should play them and then start working on the new album! No ozz-fest and so...

Have you actually been in a band and toured?  It can be hard fucking work - real fun but travelling around and having to turn it on every night.   Especially those with families being away from their kids -  it can be hard at times. 

They just need a recharge that's all, they deserve it.

Maybe you are because you want to.


Both bands cancelled shows because, as certain band members said, the shows were booked and they didn't know about them.


The number of shows they have played in Europe has no significance. What I'm talking about is the fact that the shows were booked and the band wasn't asked about it in advance. At least that's how Matt's comment makes it seem.



/jarmo

I said it sucked adnit was wrong but I don't know their situation, and I also said that at least they had been back n forth a few times to europe already on this current tour so it wasn't like they enevr played at all there.. I used your new gnr example because with new gnr if they don't make it you may not see them for years and years, at least with vr you know you will see them again..

I don't understand this if scott has a problem with the media, and he says something to them. Now matt is saying things for him. Ok who is running this band him or scott. How come matt didn't say anything to the media when there were rumors of him having sex with groupies. ::)

who cares.. geez you people pick apart every little detail.. Scott duff matt dave scott who the fuck cares as long as someone addresses the situation. Scott has addressed the breaking up issue several times saying it's false

god some of you people are insane.

jarmo, your analogy between the gnr/vr cancellation is like trying to compare a rose and blood by saying that both are red. While it is true that both are red, there is more information that you need to look at for your comparison to have any meaning at all.

in other words, your comparison is pretty pointless.

i won't go into all the details, as i'm sure you won't admit you're wrong anyway, as evidenced by your response to mikegiuliana's valid points.

all i have to say is: maybe there's a similarity to you because you want to see one.

These guys are in their 40's, they are not kids.

They have families back at home who probably have more call for them than some of us Europeans.

Yes, it does suck when you want to see a band and they cancel. But hey, you may be out of pocket, but you're still alive, and they may return. And if they don't, you have the rest of your life to look out for.

Why are they playing 'Wish You Were Here' at their shows now? Firstly, it is a great song, and secondly, as at Glasgow, they are dedicating it to their families who can't travel with them.

I think it's human for them to ask for a break. They are humans, not machines.
Matt is right. I totally agree ith him there.

I didn't know that... guess they really want to go home badly... i don't blame them, it's been a long tour.

Yeah, the album has been out a year, and they've been touring pretty much all the way through it. And they've still got a good few shows before they are done; a few in Europe and then some on the Ozzfest.

Tell me, how can an opinion be wrong?

The fact that VR has played shows in Europe in 2004 doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that some people booked shows without asking the band if it was ok to do so.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Sure, they cancelled because they need a break, but if those people wouldn't have booked the shows without asking the band first, they wouldn't have to cancel them.



Maybe the band thought that they didn't need to play in Switzerland, Iceland, Norway and Finland on this tour because they've played three of those four countries in 2004. But the fact remains, somebody booked the dates without mentioning it to the band. That's if you believe what Matt said.


Some of you also seem to think Europe is one big country. The band played a festival in Norway and Switzerland in 2004 and a headlining show in Finland during August 2004. It's not like they've been playing Norway, Switzerland and Finland three times this year.....


At least Axl cancelled in advance, after he found out about it on the Internet.  ;D VR decided to cancel after the tour had started. Did somebody hand them an itenary when they landed in Germany and they found out?  ;)

So please enlighten me on how my opinion, that this thing reminds me of the time when Axl claimed shows were booked without the band's approval, is wrong?



/jarmo

i always thought botaxl had to cancel that tour cause his hairplugs didn't take, not because he was uninformed about the tour. seriously, that's what howard stern was saying anyway. i mean, it's obvious he's gotten hairplugs so i assumed that reason was legit.


it's funny u actually believe he wouldn't know about a GNR tour until reading about it on the net, i thought ol' whaxl WAS gnr. someone justed booked tours without botaxl saying he wanted to tour? i assume axl had to then press lawsuits against those people then right? that then probably caused CD to be pushed back another 5 years, right? cause if someone was booking tours (selling the GNR name) without axl's permission that would be illegal right? so did axl fire the people who were doing this and find new management?

yeah man 40 average age, they aren't single anymore (well matt) the partying is less.. They just have to take a break and spend time with their loved ones.. Great they need to create to fix up the setlist... I would really like to hear come on come in live ( i need good speaker :rant:)

it does without a doubt suck they aren't playing those shows.. Hopefully they will go back and play them later

OK, to elaborate on what I wrote, how about this: "I'm sure you won't admit when someone makes a valid point that contradicts your point, or even lessens the value of whatever point it was you made or were trying to make."

This is what you initially wrote:

"Remember Axl saying there was a tour planned without him knowing about it and it was laughed at? Isn't this similar?"

First of all, are you stating an opinion or asking a question? It looks like you are asking a question, but also implying that the answer was yes, they are similar. Well, I guess the simple answer IS yes, the two examples are similar.

But, if you don't want a simple answer, and instead a more nuanced- and perhaps meaningful one- then the answer is that while the two events are similar, they are absolutely not the same. (i'll concede this to you though: you probably weren't looking for a nuanced or meaningful answer to your question.)

Here's what happened to VR: their booking agents and management were given the responsibility of booking tour dates for a european tour. they booked too many and vr decided they wanted to end early.

gnr: axl's management was never given permission to book any tour, nor did axl even know that they were doing such things.

So where is the difference? Simply, axl never knew anyone was booking a european tour. vr WAS aware that people were booking a tour, and they approved of it. However, they dissapproved of the length of the tour that was booked.

In other words: Axl dissapproved of ANY and ALL dates booked, while vr APPROVED of the booking of tour dates in principle, but dissapproved of how MANY dates were booked. Hence, a subtle but very important difference in your analogy that for some reason you don't seem to care about.

Like I said before, if you want to say that "blood" and "roses" are similar because they are both red, then fine, you can say that... but the comparison is ultimately meaningless because you can't use it as evidence that the two are the same.

Similar doesn't equal the same. ;)


I'm just pointing out the similarities, not saying it's the exact same thing. I even mentioned the fact that VR's tour had started and they only cancelled the last shows in Switzerland, Iceland, Norway, and Finland.

The fact still remains, Axl was laughed at because he said he didn't know about it, while it's "poor VR, they need a break" and nobody questions what Matt said.

Everybody cancels shows, that's common knowledge. That's not the issue, just the difference in attitudes. Personally I don't care, they cancelled and that's that. It happens.



/jarmo

Alright... now we're getting somewhere. This is the point you seemed to allude to in your first post that you didn't seem like you really wanted to elaborate on until now (which i'm glad you finally did, because it's the main reason i took issue with what you wrote).

Here is what it seems the point of your little 'comparison' was (based on what you wrote): Axl gets treated much differently than VR does, especially by people on this board. You seem to think it's unfair that people will quickly laugh at axl, question what he says, and generally try to criticize everything he seems to do. This is unfair to axl, because they are only looking at it from a negative point of view. Meanwhile, people don't look at VR this way, and for the most part tend to accept everything they say at face value. hence why you wrote "nobody questions what Matt said" and about "the difference in attitudes" versus when they laughed at axl. you are trying to point out the similarities in the 2 situations to show how people are being hypocrites.

WELL... that is precisely why I wrote that the 2 situations are not the same- in fact, you agreed that similar doesn't equal same. While there is a similarity, your comparison is ultimately COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS precisely BECAUSE the two examples are not the same. People had different reactions to the two events because of the many differences that you fail to mention. For one, Axl was laughed at because what happened (which was that his first tour in years was booked in europe, only to be cancelled because he claimed he didnt know about it) was (sadly)very typical of the state of this new-gnr, which has repeatedly dissappointed its fan base and left them hungry for anything.

What happened to VR was not the same by any stretch of the imagination. They have been touring for a year now, and would have performed the remaining dates- even though they hadn't intended for them to be made- but for the fact that they miss their families and need a break after so long. Velvet Revolver has EARNED THE TRUST OF THE FANS. Axl, clearly, has not done this.

Also, think about it- clearly the band's management was booking all of the dates, which means that VR wasn't "aware" of most of them until after they were booked- yet VR still played them because they had an understanding that their managers were planning tour dates. Axl did not even have this understanding with his booking people, which is testament to the sorry state of affairs in the gnr camp in recent years (aside from a brief tour that was awesome but ultimately disheartening).
 

I was only trying to point out the idea we have to wait forever to see new gnr so any type of cancelation is very annoying, iwht vr you know they will be back and they actually have a reason you can belive why they are not going to play.. Three week tour, one shot at rio missed, no album.. With new gnr you know you might get nothing, but with vr you know you will probably get something later and be kept very informed on the situations.

A cancelation is a cancelation and as you said it happens, but when you have new gnr that never performs it sucks worse..

Do you honestly buy the "we didn't know about the dates" excuse? You trust everything VR tells you?

It's amusing that Matt says something like this considering Axl used a similar excuse years ago.

People were saying things like "oh how can Axl not know about it?", well how can VR not have known about it until last week?

I guess it's possible? If it can happen to VR, it can happen to all bands. I mean, VR can be trusted....


I see these things my way, you might not agree but that doesn't mean you're right and I'm wrong.




Sure they have a reason, that wasn't the point. I was talking about the "we didn't know these shows were booked" part.


Don't forget, they added the Live 8 date after the cancelled dates. So they're not tired enough to miss the biggest show they might ever be part of.




/jarmo

Didn't Axl Rose cancel the rescheduled shows, too? Jarmo, I know you are having joy when 'try' to convince us that VR and Nu-GN'R work on the same way and make some people angry or make them type long posts, but these paralels are not true. Nu-GN'R's history is a total failure, but VR's story is a solid success.

oh ok... well i didnt know the whole point of that was to prove that VR may have lied when they said they didnt know about the dates. To be fair, they never said they didn't know about them, just that management went out of control and booked too many. It's not as if management booked A WHOLE TOUR that they didn't approve of (just think of how ridiculous that sounds). I think it's a somewhat likely scenario that they didn't approve management adding those dates, seeing as how on the whole they seem to get tooled into doing things they don't want to do (such as release dirty little thing as a single instead of suckertrain blues, record a censored version of CB, and release 1,000 versions of CB.)

However, even if you're right, and they knew about the dates when they were booked but still cancelled, well, i think people are willing to cut them more slack because a) they have a valid excuse (we miss our families) and b) they have already been touring for a whole year!! those are 2 trump cards that axl did not have.

jarmo ,

man I am telling you even if mat is lying it still doesn't bother me because of the reasons I mentioned above.. They toured for 13 months went back n forth to europe several times did the states several times.. If new gnr toured for a really long time and cancelled a few dates in europe but had motre ahead I wouldn't say "another excuse or BS".. It's like axl's a drunk and ?he misses work the day after payday he might be sick, but most would say oh he's hungover from payday.. When someone else is sick you just believe they were sick .. Axl reputation has made him seem like a douche bag at times and fans tend to lose respect for his word when he isn't able to make it..

Yes GN'R cancelled the tour twice.

Parallels are not true?

Axl: I read I had a tour on the Internet.
Matt: We didn't know those shows were booked.

Looks kinda similar to me. You can argue all you want that GN'R never plays shows etc, that was never the issue.




I'm saying all bands cancel shows, but the reaction is different when GN'R does it. I don't buy the "but it's because they never play shows" excuse. GN'R could cancel one show on a two-year tour and we'd still see people going on about how Axl's an asshole for cancelling without a good reason. ?:P

 :hihi:


/jarmo

If I had bought a festival ticket and the show was cancelled but the band was still playing a show they added after the festival date, I'd be more disappointed.

Axl wanted to go home to work on the album. He missed his studio. ;)



/jarmo

gnr do a 2 year tour... My heart, elizabeth this is the big one I'm coming to join you.. Little fred saford refrence.. The only people that should bitch is the people who expected to see them.. As long as there is notice and not philly 2 then it's all good by me..

Jarmo I had read axl saying they were going to do a spring tour after the fall/winter NA tour in 2002, was that fucked because of the philly gig? He said tour on adn off for the next 2-3 years, what happened with that?

Axl: I never intended to book a tour.
Matt: We didn't intend for our tour to be so long.

How similar are those?


Are you saying fans should have reacted to gnr cancelling all their shit the same way they reacted to vr? well they didn't. nor did the media. oops- maybe instead of trying to desperately look for ways in which everyone is wrong, you should try to figure out exactly why they reacted differently- maybe there's some insight to be learned?


Are you saying that people's opinions and reactions are wrong? I'm sorry, please explain to me how someone's feelings can be wrong? ;)

Do you really think there's no difference between? a band that ends up cancelling 90% of their shows over a 8 year period, versus a band that cancels only 5%?? (ok maybe 90% is too high... how about 70%? does someone want to do the actual math as to the total dates planned vs. actually played?)


Please man, at this point you're just trying to be a complete douche about it (you know the wink is just patronizing), obviously to get people annoyed/riled up. way to be a respectable admin who sets examples for other users to follow. let me follow your lead and go around the gnr section drawing comparisons to how VR does everything better than GNR and start pissing axl-diehards, i'm sure you'll find that as amusing. regardless, the point is, maybe if a) axl actually said that, or b) axl released the fucking album within a decade of ending the tour, then i'd cut him some slack. Until that happens, i'm the man in black.

(uh sorry, that song popped into my head? ;))

It was a fucking joke. Maybe one day you can understand that even "a respectable admin" can joke now and then?


You still argue about something I never even said was the "amusing" part. Yes, there's a difference between cancelling a few shows at the end and cancelling a whole tour.

Let me say it again: I find the excuses of them not knowing about the shows similar. Not the length of the tour, not the amount of shows played, not the countries played, not the color of the vocalists' hair. Only the fact that both bands claimed thay had no idea there were shows booked are similar. How many times do I have to point it out?


Both bands decided they didn't want to play the shows they hadn't agreed on playing. Again, yes one band cancelled the whole tour while the other band had actually agreed to do a bunch of shows and only ended up cancelling a few at the end. You twist the words, but the meaning is still the same. They both cancelled shows they claim they had no idea were booked.

That's the only similarity I see. You don't see it, fine.





/jarmo

no dude... i've said all along that there is a similarity- i haven't disagreed with you on that point. but don't act like that's all you were saying. these were the points you made in your initial posts: a) both bands cancelled shows and made the same excuse, b) people laughed at gnr when they did it, but for some reason they trust vr, c) nothing else matters. The logical conclusion that follows from an argument that consists SOLELY of these three points is d) people are hypocrites for treating the two bands differently. Come on man, just because you don't openly say part d doesn't mean that it's not your intended thesis. I've gotten into enough discussions with you to know that you always beat around the bush and don't get caught saying something that will directly 100% incriminate you as supporting one side or another. it's very clever, as you try hard to remain neutral, but you're clearly biased. my roommate argues the same way about politics (he's a republican but refuses to admit it, so he always poses questionsor states facts without offering an opinion on them or stating his actual point of view).

Anway, your basic argument was "isn't it odd that axl and vr did the same thing, except people laughed at axl and support vr?"

can you please explain what your purpose was for posting that in the vr section, other than to get people to defend either why they laughed at axl or why they support vr? Because the only answers you could have to a question like that are either: 1) "yes, it is odd that there is a different reaction, people should not have been so quick to jump on axl"; 2) "yes, it is odd that there is a different reaction, people should be more skeptical of vr"; or 3) "no, it's not odd , people reacted appropriately".

So, since you brought up the issue, do you mind sharing which of those answers you agree with (or if you can come up with a 4th)? I side with 3. My bet is that most people here will side with 3. The other two options are clearly designed to put alot of people on the defensive.

Axl's reputation with the touring issue is very poor, I really dont expect anyone to react the same way to an Axl cancelation than to any other band for that matter.
You can fantasize all you want but Axl has a lot of work to do before even thinking about getting a good reputation to actually be able to cancel a show and not be flamed.

Agreed.

The perception of Axl and his ability to make shows and complete tours is vastly different than that of his former bandmates.

Unfortunately, his reputation preceeds him...

He never said that in the email.  Thats what you got out of it.  What he said:

"We did knock a week off the end [of the tour]. Everyone is tired. We never planned on touring Europe more than five weeks but management and the agents kept adding dates and before we know it, it was up to seven weeks and after completing an eight-week run in the States with only a three-day break, we need a real break. So that's the story, other than that all is good, just need a break and some rest."

To maybe have somebody think the way I did when I read it: "Funny how they used a similar excuse as Axl did years ago".


It's also kinda funny how Scott is currently talking about how the press sucks. Where have we heard something similar before?

Please, go on and post about how Axl and Scott were complaining about the press for different reasons. ?That's a joke by the way.


Some things that VR are going through remind me of similar things that have happened to GN'R in the past. If you don't agree, I don't care.



He was flamed for giving a bad excuse like not knowing the dates were booked. Which is funny in itself. Now, Matt says almost the same thing and it's just fine. I still think it's funny/interesting. That's my opinion.

If Matt had said "We're tired, we need to go home. Sorry guys, we'll be back" it'd be a different situation. But he sort of blamed it on the agents etc (just like Axl). That's the little interesting twist to the story in my opinion. ?: ok:




/jarmo

perhaps the most sucinct rebuttle possible. ?:)

here's how it probably happened: management adds a date, vr says ok. management adds another date, vr says ok. management adds another date, vr says ok. after this happens a whole lot, vr finally realize- hey wait this has really turned out longer than we initially had planned. we're starting to get tired and want to go back to our original plan of just 5 weeks, so let's cancel the last couple shows.

that scenario is perfectly plausible based on what matt said. also more likely than it being interpreted to mean "we didn't know those shows were even booked", because quite clearly they knew they were booked, it just didn't hit them that the last couple weeks that they hadn't originally intended would be so tough on them. ?

maybe they did like you do when you are starving and go to a diner.. You order a lot of food then you  realise your eyes were bigger then your stomach and you food left over.. :hihi:

"after completing an eight-week run in the States with only a three-day break, we need a real break. So that's the story, other than that all is good, just need a break and some rest."

so it would've been completely different if he said "we'll be back"? i think with vr, we KNOW they'll be back- they don't need to reassure us; this isn't gnr.

Also, as already stated just before, "management and the agents kept adding dates and before we know it, it was up to seven weeks" doesn't imply "we didn't know they were adding dates". ?the phrase "before we know it" is an expression that shouldn't be taken literally- it is usually used to mean something like "before we actually had a chance to sit back and think about what happened".

WOW! You people really need a hobby. Or possibly a new soap opera. General Hospital, anyone?

isn't a gnr message board a hobby?  ;D

or should i be building model airplanes?

who am i kidding... of course this is lame. but i'm at work, looking for something to distract me.  :'(

No, it was an example of a possible quote without the agents/management part. :)




That's one way to see it.

But then you could say "what kind of band books shows without knowing it's too many for them to handle?". ?:hihi:

That's also a "joke"!



There were some issues with the US tour and certain dates being announced/cancelled so obviously things aren't as smooth as they could for some reason.




/jarmo

I love VR and GNR and, well, I guess this is sorta a hobby. But you know where I'm coming from here. I've read some 'interesting' threads here, but you all sound like a bunch of speculating, bickering hens that really have no clue as to what's going on with either band. One thing being a GNR fan taught me, just be happy with what you get, cuz it might be the last.

I agree with you man. Despite how it may seem, i'm as big an axl fan as a vr fan. i thoroughly enjoy both their music.

i just don't know why jarmo is trying so hard to seemingly criticize the band.

"But then you could say "what kind of band books shows without knowing it's too many for them to handle?".  "

who is "you"? why does this need to be picked apart? shit happens, bands cancel dates, bands book too many shows, whatever. it's their first biiig tour in many years for these guys, they probably aren't used to doing it with a family. you also say "things aren't as smooth as they could be for some reason"... well, you also said in another post that all bands cancel dates, it happens. so what's the problem? are you going to make fun of every band too? i think bringing up gnr touring and comparing it to vr was trouble from the beginning, only because the two situations are 180 degrees apart from one another. gnr is the exception to the rule, in just about every category.

k i'm done.

That was a joke. I even pointed it out for you!

I don't criticize the band, I'm just pointing out things I find interesting or amusing. Instead of talking about Axl's hair, I'd rather question certain statements made recently or talk about recent events.



Yeah, another observation about them announcing shows that didn't happen.

This is the VR section, I thought we could talk about things that has happened to that band here.


But I remember Dave Kushner (I think) apologizing for the tour date mess at that point. So obviously there was an issue in the past if even a band member mentions it.



/jarmo

yes you said 'its a joke'. but that doesn't mean you didn't at least partly mean it as a counterargument.

perhaps your humor is too subtle for me. or i just don't get it.

oh wait- here's a point that i want to make that goes against what you said, but i don't want people to think i'm actually supporting it, so... um... it's all a joke!

anyway... i've officially lost track of what you were trying to say in the first place.

maybe you just see certain comparisons because you want to see them. oh well.

here's my change of subject: congrats vr on a successful album and touring for a year, can't wait for the next go around (should we call it "the round 2 tour"?  maybe the redhead can take notes! :hihi:  ... a joke, people! (phew, that'll get me off the hook)).

I just think it's funny that Jarmo has to come to a VR board cause there's absolutely nothing to talk about on his fake gnr luvfest board. HAHA. u all know when these pansies show up trying to cause rifts it means that VR is doing very well, or else why would anyone care? Can't wait for the 2nd album, u know it's gonna be dominant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BTW, everyone knows botaxl had to cancel those tours cause his hairplugs wouldn't take! Like he didn't know they were booked, as if!  :hihi:

agh who cares about this cancelling shit, Pink Floyd got back together  and VR are actually playing in the same venue in Live 8!!
Did VR wish Pink Floyd was here and they got what they asked for???  :o

Since the topic was brought up earlier, I figured I'd ask something different. What IS the deal with Axl's hair? I mean, I associate the botox look with his weight gain (I saw an interview pre-Illusion albums where he referenced eating too much, he needs to run around on stage again), but what IS the deal with his hair? Did it really go? Or did he just do that braided weave thing to look trendy?

i believe this belongs in another thread/section  ;D

VR are tired and feel unable to complete those dates.
Nobody had to show up, sit through a DJ and a bad backing band and then be told to go home.
Nobody rioted and nobody smashed anything.
Nobody got arrested.
Nobody got beaten by police or injured by flying debris.
Everybody knows why these dates were cancelled.
No apologies were felt to to be deserving to fans of particular cities.

VR run their business like adults, Matt pointed out that they are tired and need a rest.
They knew the dates were booked but underestimated how tired they would be after the US jaunt
Axl is supposed to be the epicentre of GNR and somebody books an entire tour behind his back...
Trying to tie one to the other is just a tired attempt to either drag VR down or bring some activity back to the GNR farce which quite frankly, is exhibiting nothing worth mentioning right now.
Just callin' it as I see it.
peace,
Intercourse.