Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I got this from a friend who used to live in LA in the good times. I had sent it to John, don't know if he put it in the almanac yet.

Anyway, I believe it's the oldest GNR flyer and it's really cool that we found it after all these years...

(http://www.gunsnroses.gr/images/gnrflyer.jpg)

Thanks for posting that, that's really cool, but who's Ole?

AWSOME!!!

the origenal : ok:

Don't have a clue...  ???

Axl should bring Tracii back, that would shut up all the idiots who don't give the new band a chance because they think Slash was the original Gn'R guitarist, and won't except anyone else.

Well, Slash was the first guitarist that recorded songs with the band, so they're kinda right...

Tracii left for no serious reason. And don't forget that without Slash we wouldn't have many GNR songs like SCOM, Estranged and all the beautiful solos in other songs...

Ole was the bassist back then

Well, that's quite obvious...  ;D

But who was he? Real name... do you know him?

Ole Beich : bass

Rob Gardner : drums

I understand where you're comming from and I agreethat Slash is great, I just think it would blow some peoples minds to find out that there was a GnR before Slash.

I don't know him, no. I've just heard of him

yup hollywood rose :beer:

I knew about Rob but interesting about Ole.. where did you get the full name from? Or is this common knowledge?  ???

The flyer is post Hollywood Rose, is actually the first version of Guns N' Roses : ok:

sweet man  : ok:

i found it at Google, but its also in HTGH History

it is safe to say however that hollywood rose was the earliest incarnation of gnr that we know... oh and road crew, slash and stevens band. i hope im right :confused:

Ok This is what I know.

1. Raz Records (there's the logo in the flyer) was the first music label to sign L.A. Guns (in the flyer there is the old logo of L.A. Guns, used for the first EP released in 1984 on Raz Records)
2. In 1984-85 the L.A. Guns were: W.Axl Rose (then Michael Jagosz) Vocals, Ole Beach Bass, Tracii Guns Guitars, Rob Gardner Drums
3. I think this is one the first shows of GUNS n' ROSES, cause it says L.A. Guns and Hollywood Rose presents the new Band ...

Guns N' Roses was the union of L.A. Guns and Hollywood Rose: Ole, Tracii and Rob from Guns, and Izzy and Axl from Rose.

I think that after few days, Ole Beach was replaced by DUFF.

no. The band in the flyer was Guns N Roses, not Hollywood Rose. Tracii Guns had never been in Hollywood Rose.

The first GN'R Line-up was:

W. Axl Rose V
Tracii Guns G
Izzy Stradlin G
Ole Beach B
Rob Gardner D

then

W. Axl Rose V
Tracii Guns G
Izzy Stradlin G
Duff McKagan B
Rob Gardner D

then

W. Axl Rose V
Slash G
Izzy Stradlin G
Duff McKagan B
Steven Adler D

and i read an interview with Tracii, and he said that they recorded a couple of tracks (demos) for Raz Records as Guns N' Roses too.

and...?         your correct. #######applause ladies and gentlemen!!!########

Im new here man. its good to meet ppl who know theyre gnr history too.. :beer:

Guns N' Roses was at first a combination of Hollywood Rose and LA Guns, then the LA Guns part quit, they still decided to keep the Guns part in the name when members of Road Crew took the place of the LA Guns guys.
what if they changed the name to Crew N' Roses? then people could stop bitching about Tracii being the original guitarplayer.. ::)

maybe this flyer is for LA Guns? did anyone think of that?
both Axl and Izzy were in LA Guns for a period weren't they?

Edit: btw, Ole is a norwegian name, maybe he's from here?

true... slash auditioned for fuking poison at one point. however, if that shit didnt happen in the eighties, We wouldnt be here. Im glad we are, Gunners rule!!! :peace:

I don't know.... Ask to tracii!

www.traciiguns.com

The flyer says GUNS-N-ROSES... What more proof do you want?  ::)

That's a cool flyer. There's a picture of it in the "Hollywood Rose - Roots of Guns N' Roses" CD booklet.

and...?

Even though Guns was in before Slash, Slash's playing is a lot better he has a better image and wrote all the guitar parts for those tunes. It could of been very different.

yes?

No. It says GN'R.....




I think he was Danish. I think he died, but I might be wrong about that.




/jarmo

Really, I don't remember that...

I got it about 1 1/2 ago, from a Greek friend who was in LA back then. He saw GNR when they started...

Trust me, I just checked it out because I thought I had seen it somewhere, and it's in there alright ;)

Your friend is a lucky guy, goddamn  :drool:

So Guns n' Roses was founded by Axl and Izzy.

Among the third group, Axl and Izzy are the only guys entitled the original members.

I think Tracii started it and brought Axl and Izzy from Hollywood Rose, hence (LA) Guns and (Hollywood) Roses
I used to think the roses was because of Axl Rose and Duff "Rose" McKagan but I was wrong.

Tracii then left because (I think) he didn't like working with Axl and his "Vision of Fame", Duff knew Slash And Adler from another Band so he brought them in after Tracii And Rob left. (I think Poison turned down Slash's audition, weird Eh?)

BTW I seem to recall reading that Duff was a originally a guitarist but couldn't find work so he ended up playing Bass when he went to hollyood and it just stuck with him, can anyone confirm that?

But PPBEBE you got to remeber that Slash and Duff helped write alot of the songs which appear on AFD and subsequent albums. And all the solos are Slash.

It's funny. I was looking at the albums this morning and AFD and Lies say "All songs Written by Guns'n'Roses" then UYI's have different member's credited for different songs. I remember thinking in '91, "man, this is the beginning of the end, they are not sticking together like they used to." then 2 or 3 yearl later they were done. Bizarre  :no:

I'd love to hear Appetite without Slash and Duff, I'd say it would have been much more glam and less gritty with just Axl, Izzy and Steve

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

Neemo, I know.

My point is that it's not essential that you should be in the band from the beginning for being and becoming a real gun.

I'm just a bit pissed off with the reunionists bashing Axl for keeping the name and the current men for not being "the original guns".  It's clear that they can't argue over the "origin" of the band.

OK Gottcha sorry I misunderstood. :beer: good point

I have to say that when Gilby was here (about 3 months ago), it was me, him and Wayne of MC5 in my car, and Gilby was telling him the story (I trust Gilby more than anyone cause he's a good friend of Tracii) and he was telling Wayne that the name came from both names of Axl's and Tracii's.

He also told Wayne that Tracii left the band cause he simply didn't want to do that tour. Nothing similar to your story...

You know Gilby? Gilby Clarke? Tell him Pawnshops Guitars is an awesome record.

Maybe Hollywood Rose was named after Axl. So in a way I'm right.

and Why do I read in interviews with Tracii that he says "Axl is a dick"? What tour?

I'm pretty sure you can tell him yourself at gilbyclarke.com



hehehe, if you look at it this way yes you're right... ;)




The Hell Tour.


I wouldn't know about that...

I just thought I read that once on this site. could be wrong. probably am :)

Is Gilby ever gonna come to Canada?

How would I know my friend? I'm not his spokesperson... ;D

sorry :beer:

It's cool.

However, I think you could stand a chance if you'd send him an email at his site... Usually you get answers from his webmaster but all of those emails are forwarded to him too.

Do you know... where the guys Robe and Ole are, these days?

yeah..sorry about that first one, was a glitch in my system somewhere! ;D

I think you're right about Ole, come to think of it, Ive heard about him before.
and Im pretty sure I heard he was Danish and that he died sometime. : ok:

I dont recall hearing or reading Duff mentioning himself as a guitarist, but prior to playing bass in GnR, I know he played drums for something like 8 years.

Duff played most instruments on his solo albums and he was a guitarist in other bands before he joined Gn'R

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

that's what I thought.

Thanks  :smoking: Izzy :smoking:

you can listen to Tracii's story of leaving GN'R on the japanese bonus DVD from the "Hollywood Rose" cd release. Tracii is telling his version of leaving the band himself there.

Limulus

Okay no problem, it's spelt *Izzy* though

What does he say about it?

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking: