Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I really hope Axl does a song about 9/11. Since its the biggest news story in a generation, its a possibility. But I dont want a song about the attack itself, or a dedication to the victims. I want Axl to sing about how on that fateful day, some people in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East were cheering when the Towers fell. I think Axl would be the perfect person to convey the anger that was felt in the United States when this occured. Since this album will have a very high profile in the weeks before and after its release, there might be songs dealing with controversial issues. Whether it be 9/11, abortion,affirmative action,etc. And as we all know, Axl doesn't shy away from controversy. So one of these topics, or a different one, will more than likely be dealt with on CD.

IMO there wont be a song about 9/11 since that would really date the album ,and Axl would take a lot of shit for that by the media and reviews.

Well, after what happened with "One In A Million", I hope not!

I don't think Axl would like to "give" the rightwing nuts more songs to wave their flags to.


If there is a song about it, I hope it's more tasteful than a song about the "anger felt in America against the people who cheered in Europe, Asia and the Middle East".


Some of you Americans seem to forget that 9/11 was felt all over the world. It was on tv over here as well!




/jarmo

wow jarmo lets not turn this into a america vs. the world thread stay on topic plz i wouldnt want to lock this thread. ;)

I really hope Axl dont wright a song about Septermber 11th! I would rather like a song about how Americans have killed innocent people in the middle east the past 30 years. I think that we have heard enough of September 11. And that is history now! People killed by americans in the middle east aint
history! So, fokus on what happens! Dont get me wrong, the 11 September attack in NY was awfull! But its not the bigget tragedy in history!




 This i think is stupid! Okay, maybe some people in the middle east was cheering, not because they are bad humans, but because the dont know better, and im sure everybody knows someone who have been killed by an american soldier. And the BIG majority of people around the world was damn sad when this happend! So dont strike everybody in one quote!

- Nytunz -

Well said Nytunz!

Besides, some people from Europe, Asia, and the Middle East were in the Towers and got killed on that day.

Ignorance begets Tragedy.  >:(

They can leave that to U2.

Various lawsuits!

If Axl did that, that would definitely be the end of his career

well,for me there will be 5-6 love songs,2-3 melanholic songs and 2-3 political songs

Going by what we've heard so far, lyrically, Axl has a much more mature point of view than on the previous albums. Its not sex, drugs, and rock n roll anymore. I think some serious topics will be brought up on the album. I will be disappointed if he only deals with generic terms. Too much has went on during the past 12 years for him to sidestep serious issues.

I agree with you,axl lyrics are brilliant and very different than 1987.
But Axl's lyrics on uyi albums were very very deep and part of art!!!
I think that new album in lyricaly view will be soething very very huge!!!

 I also hope this album isn't some sort of concept album about Stephanie Seymour and the fallout that ensued over the relationship. The Blues is most likely about her, hopefully only one or two more songs deals with this issue. Alot of UYI was based on relationships. I want this album to go in the opposite direction. Axl, you've obviously been pissed at society in general for the past decade. Tell us why.

I would be a little more worried about those on stage rants if I was some of you--lol  Too late to delete it now.

 ;)

Think for yourself
Question authority


Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening,
terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in
this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities, the political, the
religious, the educational authorities who attempted to comfort us by
giving us order, rules, regulations, informing, forming in our minds their
view of reality. To think for yourself you must question authority and
learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable, open-mindedness;
chaotic, confused, vulnerability to inform yourself.

Music and Politic are 2 different things.

I'd rather not hear about politics via GN'R.

I`m agree with Jarmo. The point is that USA always start first war in all over the world. Not american people - american goverment. You get what u deserve. You`ll never know what is means war. I`m from the Balkans - thanks to your government we have a war once. About 9/11 i think this is inside job. Blame yourself.  :'(

thanks for the insight dENIS!!!!  I love how compassionate you are towards the thousands who lost lives in that tragedy.  Yeah, they got what they deserve by trying to improve the world economy.  How dare they try and make the world a more prosperous place to live in where you could have an opportunity at getting a job and enjoying life!

Death to all capitalists!!  Bring back communism!  Why can't we all live under a dictatorship?!  Thanks you dENIS for showing me the way.... I have now found a warmth in the cold that we call life.

So..... is this thread going to be locked soon??

D'you wear a black armband
When they shot the man
Who said "Peace could last forever"
And in my first memories
They shot Kennedy
I went numb when I learned to see
So I never fell for Vietnam
We got the wall of D.C. to remind us all
That you can't trust freedom
When it's not in your hands
When everybody's fightin'
For their promised land

Sounds familiar?
Strange .. i never mention something about  comunism or democracy in my topic. I`m sorry  if i hurt you feelings man. But i think you don`t know what it`s like  when bombs drop on your oun head right? and when on the bombs is written - MADE IN USA.

That should be the case but it isn't.  Also Civil War was very political. 

dENIS, I did not come to this board to discuss politics.  I was mocking you for being a moron and bringing up this topic when the only basic rule of this forum is to stay on the topic of Guns N Roses.  You, however, have turned this into a political thread along with some others....

Can this thread now officially be locked and done away with?  I have no problem if people want to discuss whether or not the September 11, 2001 tragedy or other tragedies should be on the new album, but when some little finger pointing pussy decides to start taking potshots at the people of an ENTIRE country for their problems then something should be done.

BACK ON TOPIC.... no, I dont think Axl should have songs with political stances/meanings on the new album.  If he does, oh well, I am not going to cry about it.  Just seems like so many bands today all of a sudden have a voice on how our government is run and how things shoudl be handled (see Pearl Jam) and I am getting tired of it. 

I`m agree with Jarmo. The point is that USA always start first war in all over the world. Not american people - american goverment. You get what u deserve. You`ll never know what is means war. I`m from the Balkans - thanks to your government we have a war once. About 9/11 i think this is inside job. Blame yourself.? :'(

That's an incredibly rude offensive comment, and an incredibly general one at that.  And that is exactly the reason why Axl, or any other musical artist in general needs to stay away from that highly sensitive topic.

No, but any off-topic post will be deleted if you insist on making this an "America vs the rest of the world' thread.

First af all i never wanted to turn this topic in political discuss. Accept my apologies. You have your CNN, NBC and etc. etc etc and if you enjoy to believe what they say - believe it. But people not an animals or morons. We live here and we now what happens lately. I think if Axl want to talk about 9/11 he must talk. Bono from U2 once says - I ever believe that the only purpose of Rock n` Roll is to change the world! I`m agree with that. Thats all. ?:peace: PEACE!

Chinese Democracy
The Blues
Madagascar
I.R.S.
Prostitute ?
This I Love
Oklahoma
Catcher In The Rye
TWAT (There Was A Time)
Seven
Leave Me Alone
General
Thyme
Ides Of March

You posted that on mygnr too. Do you know something the rest of us don't?

Nope. Those are just the songs that were mentioned by eningeers and producers over the last few years of titles that they have worked out. So its just my assumption of what the track listing could be like.

Id like about 4 songs dealing with love relationships, 2 or 3 songs dealing with the old band but in a metaphorical way like Madagascar

there will be a couple political songs on there id say


and another couple about life and the struggles of living etc.

ok, I will take note of that pandora, thanks.....  even though I dont feel like I was the one who started the 'America vs the rest of the world' thread I will accept responsibility for it.

i would like songs about: Life in general. Spiritual lifestyle, the ancient seacret of life, Songs who dig deep in to the human mystory! Songs about spirits and goasts in the afterlife, meditation, metaphysical scinece. SACRED PLACES - PYRAMIDS - TEACHINGS, and one song about the little dog named Poppy...

 - Nytunz -

NO FUCKING 9/11 SONGS PLEASE, IM AN AMERICAN I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN NEW YORK AND I SAW THE TOWERS FALL FROM THE WINDOW OF MY US HISTORY CLASSROOM!!!! That was four fucking years ago, songs about tragedies are js stupid ploys put on by half assed musicians who js pretend to care while putting it on for the cameras to either make themselves look like caring compassionate individuals so maybe they'll sell a few more records, or they js put out a dedication album with other marginally talented artists which mean nothing and have absolutely no sincerety in them AT ALL. They are js meaningless pieces of recycled tripe put out to cash in on other ppls misery.
And Axl Rose is far too fucking talented and has way too much respect for himself and for his band to ever take part in the neverending quest to cash in on others misfortunes. Give him some credit, and to the person who began this thread I have no intentions on offending u. I know that u think that maybe making a song about 9-11 is a good idea, but believe me put some thought into it. It will make him look like the biggest douchebag in the music business. I can hear it now, AXL ROSE RETURNS AND GOES FROM ROCKSTAR TO LEE GREENWOOD IMATATOR (In case u dont know hes some dickhead who makes all patriotic songs, not that theres anything wrong with that but theres nothing right with it either). Patriotic music falls under the same category as christian rock. So put some thought into it, and ull see that after all these yrs all this New Guns N' Roses has to offer its loyal fans is a cheesy dedication track about something that happened in 2001. Come on, he might as well to a track about Clinton getting a blow job in the white house.

This post went on for way too long and Im rambling, so Im js gonna close it off here. ?:peace:
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I always thought Axl missed a golden opportunity during the 2002 VMA's. Madagascar is a perfect parallism to Sep 11th and he could of used the song as a 1 year remeberance of the event.

In my opinion as long as the music is good and the lyrics are meaningfull it doesn't really matter what the songs are about, if Axl makes the lyrics non specific the songs can be about anything. Lyrics and songs can mean different things to different people?

Just out of curiousity is that Myu from Saint Seiya in your avatar

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

I think the song Chinese Democracy will be as political as Axl gets on CD.  And I love that songs message.  So many artists complain about countries like the US, Britain, or Germany, etc.  How about a song that has to deal with REAL oppression.  And I applaud Axl for writing a song like CD.