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Title: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Johnny Nightrain on May 31, 2005, 07:11:39 PM
According to my sources, this is his childhood home.
(http://img127.echo.cx/img127/1221/dsc020070ii.jpg)

bonus picture: The Brownstone Apartments, supposedly the inspiration for Mr. Brownstone.
(http://img127.echo.cx/img127/8587/dsc020095ke.jpg)


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: ClintroN on May 31, 2005, 07:14:03 PM
Should campare that house with his Mansion today!!!

cool 8)


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: jameslofton29 on May 31, 2005, 07:15:04 PM
Brownstone is a reference to heroin. It isn't about an apartment complex.


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: ClintroN on May 31, 2005, 07:17:35 PM
we gotta get ideas somewhere, Smells Like Teen Spirite's  taken from a deoderint can....isnt really about that is it!!!


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: the dirt on May 31, 2005, 07:44:01 PM
we gotta get ideas somewhere, Smells Like Teen Spirite's? taken from a deoderint can....isnt really about that is it!!!

True, but it's far more closely knit with the teen angst the song is pretty much about.

At least more than brown block buildings in relation to Mr. Brownstone...


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: ClintroN on May 31, 2005, 07:49:37 PM
we gotta get ideas somewhere, Smells Like Teen Spirite's  taken from a deoderint can....isnt really about that is it!!!

True, but it's far more closely knit with the teen angst the song is pretty much about.

At least more than brown block buildings in relation to Mr. Brownstone...

what i mean is, people get there titles from anywhere.


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: fieldsy on May 31, 2005, 08:04:34 PM
Izzy came up with the title.

Mr Brownstone could easily be a reference to their delaer who lived in that complex?


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: blasphemer on May 31, 2005, 09:50:08 PM
Man wtf,   Brownstone     herion is the color of brown which is packed tight which looks like a fucken stone.  JEEZ.     If u truly dont know what ur talkin about   just dont say anything;


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Johnny Nightrain on May 31, 2005, 10:17:30 PM
I said "supposed." It's just local legend that Izzy bought and/or dealt drugs there. It could even be a double meaning. Just thought it would be interesting to show.


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: StoneTempleRoses on May 31, 2005, 10:27:13 PM
Thanks man those pics are great  : ok:

StoneTempleRoses


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Eternal Flaming Sword of Death... on June 01, 2005, 12:23:35 AM
thanx for the pics..


who the fuck knows where the name brownstone comes from...?????

heroin?   crack?     these apartments?   a dealer here?

Izzy could have been referencing these buildings.
I just hate it when someone presumes to know everything about something that they know nothing about, just because it is known that Brownstone was a reference to heroin for the Gunners. 
who's to say where Izzy got the name from.

cool pics.

thanks



Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: fieldsy on June 01, 2005, 04:52:03 AM
Man wtf,? ?Brownstone? ? ?herion is the color of brown which is packed tight which looks like a fucken stone.? JEEZ.? ? ?If u truly dont know what ur talkin about? ?just dont say anything;

cute.

Dont you just think it is weird that there is a complex called 'Brownstone' in the town that Izzy and Axl grew up in and they have a song called 'Mr Brownstone'?  Im not saying the song is about fun times they had in the apartment but rather he got the name for the song from this place.  Its obvious the song is about fucking heroin.  Now do YOU know what im talking about?

Also when have you heard (apart from GNR) that another sland name for heroin is 'brownSTONE'?  I havent.  Axl said in court that Izzy came up with the name.


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: D on June 01, 2005, 05:18:42 AM
I like the double meaning, Brownstone for heroin being brown and like a stone and they bought the brownstone from an apt building called brownstone.

Axls house looks like the one I grew up in for a few years.


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Nytunz on June 01, 2005, 05:55:32 AM
it was damn smal


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: willow on June 01, 2005, 06:11:43 AM
You got it Johnny! Good job!


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Jamie on June 01, 2005, 06:16:42 AM
Man, I wish I was the guy who lives there now! Imagine how cool that would be!


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Butch Français on June 01, 2005, 06:59:56 AM
nice job Johnny, thanks for the pics!

the Brownstone buildings are probably the reason Izzy came up with that way of referring to heroin..
it's not like it was a trademark slang for heroin, at least not before GN'R got big (probably still isn't though ;D)!


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: badapple81 on June 01, 2005, 07:13:18 AM
In Robert John's book it shows Axl in front of the trees he planted when he was younger, certainly looks like similar surroundings.

And yes Mr Brownstone is about drugs and not an apartment block, but they had to get the name 'Brownstone' from somewhere, think about it before dismissing it.

Thanks for sharing  : ok:


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Johnny Nightrain on June 01, 2005, 07:42:47 AM
Are the pictures from that book online anywhere? I know what the other side of the house and the other houses look like. I took it from that angle as not to show off a street sign or an address or anything like that.

I was tempted to go up and ask if they knew they were living in his old house, but I didn't. I felt like a detective or something parked across the street taking the picture, which is why I only took one. 

Didn't Kurt Cobain's childhood home sell for a lot more than it was worth, just because it was his house?


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Jessica on June 01, 2005, 09:00:21 AM


Didn't Kurt Cobain's childhood home sell for a lot more than it was worth, just because it was his house?

Don't know, but his house was much bigger than this one.

Actually, if you replace the wood panels by fake red brick, this little house is very similar to the one i grew up in in between 5 and 12 years old.


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: *Izzy* on June 01, 2005, 09:12:40 AM
Thanks for the pics? : ok:

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: patience26 on June 01, 2005, 01:24:59 PM
Thanks for the pics!!!It`s a very small house, isn`t it?
Btw, about the "Mr brownstone" thing, i allways tougth it  came from the heroin thing because in my country getting hight with drugs is getting stoned. And so, just like heroin is brown ( i suppose) and the song says :"We`ve be dancing with Mr. Brownstone, he`s been knocking, he won`t leave me alone", i though that it was only about drugs ans had nothing to do with some building or what!!
Rock on  : ok:


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: *Izzy* on June 01, 2005, 01:36:46 PM
And so, just like heroin is brown ( i suppose) and the song says :"We`ve be dancing with Mr. Brownstone, he`s been knocking, he won`t leave me alone", i though that it was only about drugs ans had nothing to do with some building or what!!
Maybey someone who lived in that building used to knock on Izzy's door looking for drug money and wouldn't leave poor Izzy alone.... :rofl:

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Mateoson on June 01, 2005, 02:21:21 PM
Well being from Lafayette, I can tell you that the locals believe they are talking about this particular apartment building which is called "Brownstone". Also legend has it that they used to party hard over there. So maybe they were doing a little brown stone at Brownstone.

Next time I'm in Lafayette I'll snap a pic of Izzy's house he just sold.






Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: AxlStaleyWeiland on June 01, 2005, 03:04:16 PM
Mr Brownstone is heroin. In LA, as well as most of southwest USA most of the heroin comes from Mexico and is a black tarlike type of heroin, instead of the white or brown powder heroin found in midwest or east coast USA or Europe., plus the lyrics obviously show its about heroin not apartments or crack or whatevever. "used to do a little but a little wouldnt do it so a litttle got more and more" " stuck it in the middle shot it in the middle, should have known better.... Id leave it all behind" BTW i thought Smells like teen spirit did come from the deoedeant in some way, like Kurt Cobain  used to fyuck a chick who wore teen spirit and after they fucked everyone would say kurt smells like teen spirit, Im not sure that the lyrics of the song really have any connection to that, I just thought thats where the title came from


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Mr. Dick Purple on June 01, 2005, 04:50:50 PM
Who cares about were the name was picked, if the song is great the rest is pure bullshit!  :P


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: RustyCage on June 01, 2005, 05:31:26 PM
Mr. Brownstone is a heroin dealer that supplied the band. I remember once seeing him on a talk show where he said "he had supplied a now big rock band in L.A. but won't name who they are and that they wrote a song about him". He called himself Mr. Brownstone. Twas either Maury or Sally show. Not sure because it was a while back.


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Freya on June 01, 2005, 06:55:02 PM
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"he had supplied a now big rock band in L.A. but won't name who they are and that they wrote a song about him".

More likely to be "Dr. Feelgood".  Of course Mr. Brownstone is about heroin, but it doesn't mean that the old apartment block didn't give Izzy the idea to call it that for his song. 

Thanks to Johnny Nightrain for posting this.  So much of early GnR had to do with where they came from, it's nice to see their place of origin.  And perhaps especially poignant considering with what Axl says went on in that house. 


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Johnny Nightrain on June 01, 2005, 08:05:34 PM
Yeah, a lot does have to do with where they came from. Like, jumping into the river too many times to make it home. The Wabash is a big river that runs right through the city and was probably the inspiration for that line. "Paradise City" is supposed to be about Lafayette, too. I think Axl said it was him going back and forth between here and L.A. And the lyrics "out back on the highway, on 65" is a reference to I-65 which is the major highway that runs just outside of town. Though, I swear it says I-65 in the song, not "on 65."


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Gnr_man202 on June 01, 2005, 08:14:54 PM
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"he had supplied a now big rock band in L.A. but won't name who they are and that they wrote a song about him".

More likely to be "Dr. Feelgood". 
Could be, but there actually was a famous "Dr. Feelgood" in the 60's.


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: jarmo on June 01, 2005, 09:13:08 PM
"Paradise City" is supposed to be about Lafayette, too. I think Axl said it was him going back and forth between here and L.A.

I don't think so. Probably about Los Angeles.

Axl compared Indiana to Auschwitz.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Johnny Nightrain on June 01, 2005, 10:43:37 PM
Izzy said this about "Mr. Brownstone" in Hit Parader in 1988:

"It can mean a million different things to a million different people. It's like when you listen to a Zeppelin song, what do you think? I have all kinds of fucking wild ideas about what "Custard Pie" is about."

Axl said this about "Paradise City" in Hit Parader in 1988:

"The verses are more about being in the jungle; the chorus is like being back in the Midwest or somewhere. It reminds me of when I was a little kid and just looked up at the blue sky and went "Wow, what is all that, it's so big out there." Everything was more innocent. There are parts of the song that have more of a down home feel. And when I started putting the overlayers on the vocals (I put five tracks on there), it seemed that it came out like some Irish or Scottish heritage."


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: jarmo on June 02, 2005, 07:53:32 AM
Ok, I thought you meant Paradise City, the title, is a reference to Lafayette. Like with the Brownstone reference.

But if you mean the song is about living in a place like Lafayette and wanting to get out of there, then I can understand it.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: RustyCage on June 02, 2005, 05:20:09 PM
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"he had supplied a now big rock band in L.A. but won't name who they are and that they wrote a song about him".

More likely to be "Dr. Feelgood".? Of course Mr. Brownstone is about heroin, but it doesn't mean that the old apartment block didn't give Izzy the idea to call it that for his song.?

Thanks to Johnny Nightrain for posting this.? So much of early GnR had to do with where they came from, it's nice to see their place of origin.? And perhaps especially poignant considering with what Axl says went on in that house.?

Nope, I am 100% positive he called himself Mr. Brownstone. Otherwise, I wouldn't have mentioned it.


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: N.I.B on June 02, 2005, 06:11:05 PM
Brownstone is a reference to heroin. It isn't about an apartment complex.

Where they did heroin, perhaps?


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Freya on June 02, 2005, 07:15:38 PM
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Nope, I am 100% positive he called himself Mr. Brownstone. Otherwise, I wouldn't have mentioned it.

I don't know why I'm arguing this, but why would he call himself Mr. Brownstone and not name the band?  And the lyrics of the song suggest not an actual person but the spector of addiction itself. 

And N.I.B., I'm quite certain they didn't do heroin until they went to L.A. 


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: jameslofton29 on June 03, 2005, 04:37:06 PM
Has anyone besides me ever seen heroin? It's brown rocks. Brown rocks=Brownstone. Get it?? The next time I see some sort of building with the word Jungle on it, I'm going to post it and say this is where Axl wrote Jungle. Cant wait to see how many people believe it.


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Butch Français on June 03, 2005, 05:43:25 PM
Has anyone besides me ever seen heroin? It's brown rocks. Brown rocks=Brownstone. Get it?? The next time I see some sort of building with the word Jungle on it, I'm going to post it and say this is where Axl wrote Jungle. Cant wait to see how many people believe it.

if it's known that Axl used to host something in this building, then I could see the similarities of what you are saying and the Brownstone story..


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Johnny Nightrain on June 03, 2005, 06:41:21 PM
I never claimed it to be anything specific. If you would read, I said that it was local legend and I thought it would be interesting. I even posted the Izzy quote where he said it could be anything.


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: *Izzy* on June 03, 2005, 07:31:06 PM
Has anyone besides me ever seen heroin? It's brown rocks. Brown rocks=Brownstone. Get it?? The next time I see some sort of building with the word Jungle on it, I'm going to post it and say this is where Axl wrote Jungle. Cant wait to see how many people believe it.
Yes I have seen heroin and yes the song is definetly about heroin but doesn't it strike you as odd that there is a building called Brownstone in the same town that the person who wrote the song Mr. Brownstone came from?

Anyway here's a song I think we can all agree is about Indiana: http://s29.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=090F9X5MNS6LH16NDQ0O10M4OP

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Twisted Nerve 85 on June 04, 2005, 05:49:12 PM
Its hard to believe so much suffering and pain went on in such a beautiful location. All that shit that Axl's father and stepfather put him and his brother and sister through.

 :peace:


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: plasmabeam on June 05, 2005, 12:17:23 AM
nice pics  : ok:

and brownstone could quite possiblt have a double meaning.


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: izzyrose on June 14, 2005, 03:43:20 PM
ma m8 told me something about those brownstone flats. he sed that they were the inspiration of mr.brownstone aswel.




                                                                      :peace: izzyrose : ok:
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Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: Elrothiel on June 14, 2005, 05:55:52 PM
According to my sources, this is his childhood home.
(http://img127.echo.cx/img127/1221/dsc020070ii.jpg)

bonus picture: The Brownstone Apartments, supposedly the inspiration for Mr. Brownstone.
(http://img127.echo.cx/img127/8587/dsc020095ke.jpg)
Heh... wow, his house looks so typically redneck (except for the good condition its in)! All that's needed is for the truck to be a bit more banged up (and the house), and there to be random beer cans flung everywhere! :rofl: Oh, and an old guy with a bigass beard and a rifle sitting outside in a rocking chair wearing a beer hat and old dungarees with a mangy dog sitting next to him!
:rofl:
On the topic though... there probably was some random guy who lived in one of those apartments (or owned them! Perhaps that's where the apartments got their name!) who was either a heroin addict or a heroin dealer, and that's what introduced Axl and Izzy to the drug. Plus it was also probably the brown rocks kind too, just to have the whole triple coincidence thing!


Title: Re: Psssst...wanna see where Axl grew up?
Post by: MikeB on June 14, 2005, 07:12:28 PM

Must have been a pretty small house for Axl, his 2 younger siblings and his parents back then.