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OK, it seems that CD may be coming soonish - i feel quite confident that we're going to get an announcment for a release date this year - my guess is a release late this year or early next.

So my question is, should the promotional campaign be a huge bombastic, saturation type media blitz or should it be a lowkey affair? Granted, it will be a rather big story (at least in the rock community) regardless of what approach the record company chooses to take. But if the songs are as good as I think they will be and the album is undeniably strong, perhaps a "word of mouth" campaign is all that is required? Minimal promotion, no videos and some small gigs ?

Of course the record company has invested alot of money and wants to see a return on this investment, but there might be value in marketing it as a word of mouth "grower" - this might have more sustainability and longevity than a media blitz which might yield an initial high return and then fizzle.

What are peoples thoughts?

I can see something like an IPOD commercial with Axl jamming and the band in color shape outlines like U2 did. I dont believe the promotion would go much further. Maybe Axl will still want to air silent CD commercials on MTV. Movie soundtrack is also very possible.

I think it should be as loud and high-key as possible! Let the pussies know that GN'R is back with a bang! ;D

Jimmy,


I think you are very optimistic, that's my thought. ::)

the biggest promotion possible would be a free show in hyde park (london) or central park (NY) with 200.000 people +
Something huge a la Pink Floyd, with a big stage, big lights etc..

fuck yea!

word of mouth my ass.. i dont want people to go up to their friends and go "hey, did ya hear? gnr's new album's finally comin out" and then the friend goes "yeah right.. that's what they've been sayin for years"

i want the promotion for CD to be huge so that people can finally see a comercial for it on tv and shit their pants..

How much? A lot less than most people around here think. Most likely some print advertising in the usual music publications, some in-store POP displays, and thats probably about it.

I predict that everyone here has built up this album to such mythic proportions that when it doesn't sell 40,000,000 copies in the first week and change the entire face of music and align the planets everyone will blame the label for its 'lack of promotion'.

i don't think we'll see the cd anytime soon. the way i see it nothing significan as changed in order for us to believe a release date is near. all we know is that the current members are still selling the story they were selling 5 years ago. "it's coming soon".

for christ sake, gn'r sold t-shirts saying chinese democrazy starts now!!! in the year 2000, and 5 years later it's all the same... or better yet, we are one guitar player short. so talking about promotion now seems kinda far fetched to me, but that's just one man's opinion, and boy how i wish i was deadly wrong on this one  :beer:

I think the New GnR should kick the motherfucking door open, and slap the media across the face with an unrelenting bomboardment of advertising,billboards,commercials,Radio spots THE WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let everyone know ur coming, and theres nothing they can do about it  :peace:

There will be little promotion for CD. Maybe some huge billboards in the music stores advertising it. Probably a commercial. If Axl can handle it, maybe an interview or two on tv or magazine. But not much more than that. I have a feeling there wont even be any videos. The album will debut at #1. How many millions it sells is pure speculation. This album will not have an "overkill factor". Either you buy it, or you dont. Its not gonna be shoved down your throats like MTV does with hiphop/pop stars albums. And to be honest, I think its a good marketing strategy. Just let the album sell itself.

If anyone thinks the promotion will be low key u should prolly get ur IQ checked. If anyone thinks that there will be no videos u should prolly go get a brain transplant. Comin from Axl no video, lets see he was known for makin big fucken huge over the top videos. So u actually think there will be no videos.   The media will be all over this when it comes out and if the first single is a smash thats all the promotion any album needs.  Also the record company spends 13million and u dont believe there gonna promote the fuck out of it to get there money back plus more. 

Yeah u guys are prolly right they wont promote this album.

I don't know what to think about wether it will be low key or not. I do know this, I thought the shitty tour that they couldn't finish was pretty low key. I mean, I told people I might be going and most everybody had no clue they were touring. Not only that, but they said shit like "they got back together?". To me that was low key so maybe cd will be too.

But I think you started this thread with a sense of false hope. It' just another excuse as to why there is no movement by Axl. I finally learned my lesson. No more wishfull thinking. At this point in time I doubt it will ever come out. But if it does I'll be so stoked.

Where have you been at? Bin Laden gets out more than Axl Rose!  :rofl: I will be shocked when we finally see his face again... let alone a glitzy video. Just my 2 cents.

No way!
They should let the world know GNR are back (if that ever happens) and be fucking proud of it!! :peace:

It's needs to have the biggest promotion it can get.  If it's successful, we can look foward to a bunch more cd's/dvd's/concert/ etc.  An example would be the Motley Crue reunion.  Any place you go you can get crue mechandise.  But if you want a low-key promotion, take a look at the Judas Priest reunion.  The low key-promotion, shows on their newest  album sales.  We want GNR to kick the world's ass again, not remain in obscurity.

Should the promotion be low key ?

Ok, put things into perpective :


are you fucking nuts ?  :hihi:

How does this album cost again ?

A low key thing ( word of mouth) could work for robbie williams who still has thousands of women wanting to shag his bones and hunting the net in hope of news.

No one remembers GNR as of now. No one but us sad souls.

They'd need as much coverage as possible to start getting a buzz around them.

I don't think Universal is going to adopt a low-key approach to making their $13 million back. The best thing for all involved would be to get the disc on rotation at  every radio station possible, advertise heavily on tv for a couple of weeks, give away plenty of front-page "exclusive" interviews and such to the magazines and see what happens. 

   Jessica's exactly right.  But, and a very big but, it's all going to depend on one W. Axl Rose's mindset.  Whatever Axl puts his mind to, he'll accomplish.  It all depends on what Axl is looking for, mass appeal, or critical appeal.  If the marketing is too much, critics will turn on him.  If there's no marketing, nobody will know GNR from a hole in the wall, and even if they do, they'll be looking for friggin Slash.  The perfect balance will result in something the current bands like Green Day or U2 have done. 
   Honestly, I respect Axl immensely, but he's definitely the Howard Hughes of rock n' roll.  How do you market something like what we're envisioning, when the guy doesn't talk to media?  If it ever happens, it'll be interesting.  A Super Bowl performance would be the greatest...just my opinion!   :peace:

Jessica is right. Nothing to add. : ok:
Just something I'd like to say: THEY MUSN'T REPEAT THE SAME MISTAKES OF 2002 (zero promotion)..
It needs to be 10 times bigger!

I think youre missing the point of the thread somewhat

well the question is more, what would be more effective? A huge in your face saturation type campaign or a lowkey "let the strength of the album sell itself" type campaign. Both have their pros and cons - over the top hype can turn alot of discerning fans off, low-key can alienate potential untapped markets...

Ironically Howard Hughes, prior to becoming the world's most famous shut-in, was reknowned for engaging in business ventures which had every reason to crumble and fail and yet somehow he'd transform his zany ideas into magnificent successes.

I hope Merck knows his job. I trust him to put GN'R at the top. I don't want them to be Number 2 or Number 3, I want them to be NUMBER 1.

But in 2002 there was no album  to promote.

The last album of Limp Bizkit "The Unqestionable Truth Part 1" become total commercial failure. The point i`m wrote this topic is if Chinese Democracy will be released soon is necessary to start a large advertise campaign and etc. etc. etc. Bizkit was one of the hottest band in last 5 years and now they are dead just becouse they put out the album without any advertise and video. In these case i think the only reason to CD become a failure is low advertise. If CC is ready for release in November when is the right time to start a promo campaign? 

true true, but i think Limp Bizkit killed themselfs.. 3 dollar bill yall was a great album, but after that they sold out! They became  :nervous:

I read that thats the way they wanted there new album to be released..No promotion..no hype..... ???

Maybe they didn't fail because of lack of promotion but because they have always sucked and people are realizing that just now?

That's related to the "Should the promotion for CD remain low-key?", so both threads are merged.

Id hope to see signs of a large promo campaign in perhaps early August along with a single forsure to entice both the public and the fans. I think it all largely depends on how long Axl wants to keep this baby underwraps, but he knows as soon as a single is released or a show confirmed, the fans will want the whole deal.

It needs to be huge.  For example, did you guys know that there was a new Limp Bizkit album out?  Exactly, even though they are considered as  "old" they did re-unite with their original guitarist and instead of making it a big affair like their other albums, they opted not to do any "press" or videos and their new album has only sold 58,000 in three weeks.  Their last album sold 400,000 in one week.  You can attribute the loss in sales to everyones hate of  Fred Durst, or to the horrible promotion Limp bizkit took of trying to be "real".  I would hate to see something similar happen to GNR.

Limp Bizkit and specifically Fred Durst have saturated the market with questionable product for the past 6-7 yrs - the failure of their last 2 albums is a direct result of this.

Axl is in a much different situation, - a mythical album thats been spoken of in the press for the last 10 years - he is perceived in the wider public as a recluse, an enigma or a has-been depending on your point of view.

If CD is an amazing album, the legendary mystique surrounding it should be adequate to ensure it's a success - Limp Bizket are in a totally different position not to mention the fact that the album was widely panned in the media.

I've said it before, if CD is as amazing as well all think it will be, it will have succeeded - whether it sells well is a secondary consideration IMO and the quality will definitley be it's strongest selling point.

Axl should make a huge promotion of the Album.... but without selling out himself... like Metallica did ...

when we finally get it in our hands its gonna be big, really big....according to past experiences they will tour a few weeks before it actually comes out, a  couple songs in a couple soundtracks , a fuckin cool video, advertisement in rolling stone mag and then the precious product..........................straight to number 1 according to nielsen scan.


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